Hi,
I've just been trying for about 30-40 mins to get my plane back on the deck and have at last succeeded!
I have all the realism on exactly as per Bearcats nuggets guide.
I just got my new AV8R joystick today and couldn't wait to try this out. But boy how on earth am I gonna land without the chase view? I mean from the cockpit? It just took me about 15 attempts to get the thing down safely from the chase view!

I kept nosing it into the ground.
Heres what trial and error has taught a complete noob to flight sims...

Flaps help you take off and land...

When landing a long approach helps, preferable not at 300kmph.

Even at 120kmph it still goes pear shaped.

The best speed for landing is as slow as possible (without stalling)

It is a good idea to reduce the throttle when the wheels touch the ground, otherwise the plane thinks you want to take off again.

Dont try Red Arrow style aerobatics...as this leads to the aircraft falling out of the sky.

The "B" button is the brake!!!


So I think with a little more practice I'll be landing as oppose to bouncing/nosing/crashing more regularly.

Now for the gunnery... you boys are in trouble now..

Good job iRuffy

Good job, it took me FOREVER to land properly, now I can do it 99% of the time.

200kph seems to be the best speed for me to land in pretty much any fighter plane.

Also I figured out recently that once you slow down enough on the runway you can pull back on the stick and set your plane down, but if you're moving too fast you'll fly back up into the air, stall and smack back down again.

Ok, now you should go try landing on a carrier, good luck, it's really tough at first.

cheers, you are spot on about the speed me thinks!

Landed 3 out of the next 5 so I'm getting there.

Then I resorted to trying aerobatics again, and swiftly ending up in the spiral of death.

Having said that, just flying around an airfield and practicing flying around, up, down, turning, loops, landing taking off and landing, does seem to really give you a feel for the game rather than just jumping straight into combat.

I'm gonna continue with this slowly does it approach.

Best advice I ever got was pretend you are trying to get as far down the runway as you can without touching while at the same time reducing throttle.

Good job! You'll see the day when landing is not a big deal at all, believe it or not. But I would caution you against making an approach as slow as possible like you said. Actually a good approach speed is about 15 knots higher than stall speed. Now when you get just above the runway, with your wheels only 1 to 3 feet above the runway, then you should be at the "slow as possible" speed. You are supposed to literally stall onto the runway during a good landing.

nose above or on horizon when you touchdown( preferably the last 100 meters of inflight should be with full flaps and nose up

aim for 180 kmh touchdown speed
come in shallow enough to prevent the gear from breaking

gentle on the brakes.

Landing is a pain in the ****. Took me more than a few hours. Now it seems I can land anything, even bombers that I've never flown more than once.

The problem with being TOO slow is that you can reach stall speed and that means if you're more than a few feet off the runway you'll just wing over and blow up.

The way I read things, you use your throttle to decide the rate that you're descending at (do you know what the Variometer is yet?) and the elevators to change speed or direction.

When it comes to rate of descent you don't want the variometer to read anything higher than 1 (on an American plane anyway) or else you risk blowing the landing gear. Its hard work getting the speed, rate of descent and touchdown spot all perfect.

I'm still practicing. I can get the angle and speed and such just its hard to not run out of runway before you nurse it down. Carriers are tough too. Great training campaign for that one though.

I checked the guide and the landing speed for the LA5 was 165kmph.
Is there anywhere that lists the stall speeds?

A variometer??? I guess its the rate of decent/ascent, but for now I'm just trying to get the plane at the start of the runway in a straight line (ish) and slow enough to land.

The best landings I have done seem to be virtual stalls from about 3 feet. i.e I pull up gently to raise the nose and the aircraft gently touches down.

Tonight I'll hopefully be going on to phase two of my training!

Congrats!!!! Now report to the USS Saratoga for Carrier Training!!! LOL, man it's good to see new folks and fresh faces in this sim. Salute.

Da Worfster

Congratulations. I've been using this sim for 4.5 years and I, until this morning, had been unable to land the I-153 with its narrow track undercarriage without ground looping or worse. Today, without thinking about it too much, I made a textbook landing on rough ground with the fickle I-153. About time.

Congrats on the first landing. I remember my first landing.. oh wait.. I don't.. Now that I think about it, I don't even remember what I had for dinner last night. Getting old sucks..

Good job, keep at it, work on carrier landings and once you master those, landing on big large open airfields is a breeze

Stingray

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Originally posted by Ba5tard5word:
200kph seems to be the best speed for me to land in pretty much any fighter plane.

that is pretty high IMHO , should be between 130 km/h and 160km/h max depending the plane bar a few exceptions

looking for a challenge in landing.

land the B24 beautifully,
carrier land any non carrier plane
put down the Lerche in one attempt, without climbing the least bit once you are hovering vertical.

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Originally posted by Marcel_Albert:

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Originally posted by Ba5tard5word:
200kph seems to be the best speed for me to land in pretty much any fighter plane.

that is pretty high IMHO , should be between 130 km/h and 160km/h max depending the plane bar a few exceptions

I like to come in around 200 kmh or faster, 200-220 kmh on the approach, then touch down at around 180kmh or so. I find that using the "stall onto the runway approach" at least for me, results in the most bouncing and typically the roughest landings. Coming in a little bit faster, I can then fly just over the runway while lowering the throttle and settle on it very gently without any bounce.

Quite often I am flying in co-ops or organized missions with a lot of other people who are landing/taking off at the same time. It is handy to be able to, for example, extend your glide over the runway to give the person landing right behind you some room on the runway, or to be able to pull up and abort if the person landing right in front of you happens to crash. Also nice to be able to force the plane down a little bit earlier should you need. Flying a little bit faster, around 200 kmh over the approach and over the first part of the runway, at least for me, gives me as many options as to how and where to land, whereas flying much closer to the stall speed I feel that I am more at the mercy of touching down when the plane is ready to fall out of the sky, and the controls don't have the authority to give many options. Typically I fly a BF-109 or BF-110 for the record. Some planes you can come in incredibly slow, the zero for example, you can land that thing fine going around 130kmh.

Also I like to come in a little bit "hot" on the public dog fight servers to avoid coming in on a very slow 150kmh approach and be sitting ducks to vultures looking for easy prey.

Stingray

I find it good to touch down a little slower than taking off as well, then get the flaps up.

A good way to control speed with CSP is manual pitch at 100%.
Open the rads full, canopy if you can and generally hang everything out that makes drag then
as long as you're over stall speed, work the landing mantra:

Pitch (nose up or down) to control speed, throttle to control height.

Use rudder only to stay level and don't wait for the ball.

Mgunz raises a good point that most miss. When you touch down raise the flaps ASAP. When the flaps raise you loose lift so you settle down better and there's less chance of bouncing up into the air again.

http://www.kossan.se/roliga-filmer/flygplan_landar_utan_hjul.htm

If you really want to test your landing skills download a campaign called "For Good Pilots" from M4T and try the second mission.

Anyone that lands that one first attempt has my everlasting respect

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Originally posted by WTE_Galway:
If you really want to test your landing skills download a campaign called "For Good Pilots" from M4T and try the second mission.

Anyone that lands that one first attempt has my everlasting respect

with the prize of everlasting respect, who could resist! I will give it a try, and will let you know (honestly) how many tries it takes. If the mission calls for a plane that I am familiar with, I will try to fly it right away, if not, I might take a bit to try the plane out before attempting the mission. Unfortunately I don't think that I will be able to fly any IL-2 until Sunday at the earliest this week,

Stingray