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 Greetings All ---Well, as part of coming back to IL-2 after a few years absence, I am trying to re-train myself on the Lerche III --- and I am clearly forgetting a something (or two). I notice in attempting to get airborne, I do not have enough power to lift off the deck. Second, I vaguely recall something to do with flaps or cowl settings to control air flow during landing or takeoff ???? Could someone give me a quick refresher -- nothing elaborate but I know I am forgetting something. Much Appreciated -- GnG --   |
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Lerche has two engines - make sure to start both of them.
No one in sane mind ever turns when he has any other option. ~ DKoor |
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Hi TinyTim -- well, I had made sure of the two engine power. But I did notice that I was trying takeoff from a higher altitude strip so I reduced the fuel load to 50% and had no problem with takeoff. I will verify 100% fuel at lower altitude as well.
I still remember something about landing procedure that activated some extra air control/guides -- something. If I remember right, it was used to help stabilize the plane vertically for landing....it has been a few years and just cannot remember. Thanks --- GnG |
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Use Dive Brakes when taking off or hovering.
Use the bombsight elevation and left/right buttons to guide rockets on wires. Yep, it has two engines, so start them both then select all engines to throttle up. 50% throttle should hold altitude in a hover approximately.. aka: WBK  |
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 Well, I knew someone had the "secret" that I could not remember. Thanks Snacko -- much appreciated. I should have my wings back in no time Regards --- GnG ---  |
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First someone you should check is the Me guy, first name is Read.
When people take a plane out to see what it can do they really find what they can do with it. |
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There is a little known fact about the Lerche in Il2.
Oleg had to double the power of the of the engines to have enough lift. This aircraft is beyond fantasy, but I still have some fun with it. My youngest son always asks me to use the plane with no wings in the QMB. -PC Performance Aficionado and proud forum member since 2001 |
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Little known? Really? |
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The guy with 6000+ posts says to check the readme?  aka: WBK |
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Actually, the plane did have promise, short of some manufacturing and control issues that the makers never solved, partially because of material and talent shortages near the end of the war. Like many other projects that Hitler never followed through with, it could have been a force in their arsenal. |
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Rather than just criticizing, do you have a specific READ ME file in mind that answers my questions? That would be helpful as the other posts were.... |
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Mate also be sure to check that BOTH of your engines are at 110% or whatever you set them to... because sometimes for instance I myself forget to "select all engines" and I just spin around on take off
.With Lerche I suspect it'd have an effect of weak aircraft power if only one engine is on 110%, I guess. |
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hit the speedbrake to land or takeoff
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Here is a video for landing the Lerche.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxXwJpTB4pQ Wheels ---------------------------------------------------------------- Cheers  Wheelsup_cavu     |
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I noticed while youa re relearning, you fly on easy settings.
Not a good idea.  Try normal settings to learn.   Being British is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub for a Belgian beer, then grabbing an Indian curry or a Turkish kebab on the way home, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. |
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Hey, thanks and yes, that did bring back the memories of flying the Lerche III. Thanks for the great video. GnG |
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I'm not sure it was quite "double", but yes, did have to increase p/w a little. And they also added the vert/hover stabilization (the flaps and exhaust gas jets), but they did THAT using tech that could have been pulled off at the time. So it is HARDLY "beyond fantasy" as you say. The vert/hover stabilization system would have been solved had they had the time, and, all it would have taken then was either dropping CR and ramping up the boost, or, using a turbo prop, which isn't hard to figure out. In 1946? Maybe not with everything else going on, but eliminate the material shortage, give them some breathing room and remove Hitler (as per the IL2 1946 story line) and it's actually VERY concievable. ....And a great addition to the game, no matter what all the crap plane whiners may have to say. lol But anyway, point is, engine power aside, it would have worked. So it's really not all that far out. Same is true for even the Ta-183. I just wish they would have given us the 2nd tail, which is the one that would have worked, instead we got that FM with the 3D model of the more "well known" tail. Ugh. The only really far fetched plane is the 162D, the forward swept wings would require materials not invented for quite some time. THAT's really pushing things. It sucks balls that they couldn't give us an uprated 229 though. The 262HG II is using the same engine size (at least on tbe model) but has a more advanced engine in it. The same could slot easily into the 229. And they'd be insane not to - it's just too obvious and too easy. (but then I suppose one could say the same about MW-50 on the Pfeil as well..... ) |
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10 cent lesson? already basically covered but...
1. start both engines 2. select both engines together 3. apply maximum throttle 4. kick major a$$  Look for a campain called Lerchenhain. It's a great offline campain for the Lerche. Well written and a lot of fun. |
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Hi Unknown ----Yes, I would agree with the history of the Lerche III -- like many things that Hitler never followed through on but that is all a matter of history now. I think it is fun to have such items to fly, not only for the challenge, but to mix with some imagination and build mission and campaign stories around. All part of the game from my perspective. Thanks for the comments. I join you in hoping the future still holds some more additions to the game. Thanks again -- GnG --- |
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Forward swept wings aren't believable and wouldn't work with the materials they had? Good thing nobody told that to the guys that flew and built the Ju-287. Also, for the 229, really I just wish that in addition to the V series pre production one we have, that they gave us one of the A-0s, bombload and everything. |
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