What is it?
I've looked around and it seems to me that many still run 4.09b1m or old 4.08 .

Don't care for mods much as long as server doesn't force me to use them in which case I don't fly there.

I would like to give Fokker, SM.79, Avia or the new I-16's a spin online... .
New MC.200's are cool too, cockpit is much better (vis) than those we had...

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Originally posted by The_Stealth_Owl:
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Ditto.

Doesn't seem to be on all the time though. Is there a schedule posted somewhere online for it?

Thanks guys.

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What are the settings?

4.09m Servers that have full real settings are still very few. I don´t like those servers that use icons and wonder women view.

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Originally posted by RSS-Martin:
4.09m Servers that have full real settings are still very few. I don´t like those servers that use icons and wonder women view.

Given the fact that we are limited to a 17 to 19" square, mono-scopic window onto the virtual world, and a VERY low resolution (vs eyesight), AND unnatural and limiting view control, AND with VERY odd fields of view... "full switch" is in fact quite UNrealistic. It actually makes it far more difficult than it would be in reality.

Unless or until we are sitting in a cockpit mockup in a full dome screen, or even jack our brains directly into the PC, if realism is the goal, then we MUST compensate for limitations in the hardware in order to give as 'realistic' an *experience* as possible.

The 2 means to do that are limited icons and padlock.

People who hare padlock are people who can't fly without hiding in hardware limitations and who enjoy lording it over those whom they have a hardware advantage over (ie, the track ir crowd vs the rest).

Those 2, with everything else on would be "full real".

That said, it's NICE to have the externals on so you can allieviate boredom on long flights. It's also NICE to have the so-called "gps" on so you can more easily track where you are in the air (and go to reported target locations or get home or just make it to friendly lines). And it's also NICE to have the speedbar on, but that's just a lazy luxury that I have to admit I have gotten perhaps a little too used to.

Now, given that this is all about air quake ANYway.... might as well have those niceties on, leaving the previously mentioned actual closest thing we can muster to "full real" for the co-ops.

And on that note, to the person who asked, those basically are the settings of that server - cockpit locked, externals on, short icons, PL, personal map location, Speed Bar all on - and all other difficulty options turned on. The perfect fun/dogfight settings actually.

Guess it is a matter of taste, as a bomber pilot with the stabelizer on you can switch to the various positions in the bomber without needing external views. For seeing how fast I am flying, I have that on the instrument bord also a working compass. Icons I hate, as they are for lazy people, who don´t want to bother taking their time to recognise friendly or foe planes, also they spoil sneak attacks. I have been flying for years like this and I have no problems with that, also I do not use track IR, not neccesary in a bomber. Unfortunately the servers I prefer are taking their time in switching from 4.09bm1 to 4.09m

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Originally posted by Unknown-Pilot:

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Originally posted by RSS-Martin:
4.09m Servers that have full real settings are still very few. I don´t like those servers that use icons and wonder women view.

Given the fact that we are limited to a 17 to 19" square, mono-scopic window onto the virtual world, and a VERY low resolution (vs eyesight), AND unnatural and limiting view control, AND with VERY odd fields of view... "full switch" is in fact quite UNrealistic. It actually makes it far more difficult than it would be in reality.

Yeah, yeah same old excuses coming. If you prefer easier settings, fine but the 'unrealistic' excuse won't wash. Easier than reality eh? Try this-

Bf-109

And add in G-forces, fear of death and boiling/freezing cockpits and still tell me how hard FR is compared to RL. For you it maybe too hard but plenty virtual pilots have little problem with it and that has nothing to do with flight equipment either, (plenty still use hatswitches)- just practice and willingness to push yourself.

Sorry for staying OT OP

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Originally posted by Gadje:

Bf-109

Sweet mother of...

I watched the Spitfire pit vid by the same guy... really nice videos.
Seems to give a first hand neutral account on how it really was to fly and fight in those planes.

Thrashing other people fot their settings is just childish. I suggest you mind your own business and respect others.

"sturmovik.II" and "101 missions" are two scripted servers runnig 4.09m. Both have full real settings except speedbar is activated on sturmovik.II. Missionbriefings are bilinguar on both servers iirc.

sturmovik.II often seems less populated than it actually is because some of its players prefer to join via IP than Hyperlobby. 101 missions however IS as empty as it looks, which is a shame, since it maps are really well done.

Both are run by members of the german community so if want to take a look hope for some participants, make sure you count in the time shift.


III/JG27_Max

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Originally posted by I_JG78_Max:
"sturmovik.II" and "101 missions" are two scripted servers runnig 4.09m. Both have full real settings except speedbar is activated on sturmovik.II. Missionbriefings are bilinguar on both servers iirc.

sturmovik.II often seems less populated than it actually is because some of its players prefer to join via IP than Hyperlobby. 101 missions however IS as empty as it looks, which is a shame, since it maps are really well done.

Both are run by members of the german community so if want to take a look hope for some participants, make sure you count in the time shift.


III/JG27_Max

Gadje, a million thanks for that link.
And yes, FR for me too!

@DKoor: I forgot to mention that "101 missions" is running an early war MTO campaign including the SM.79 not sure about the MCs though. The Savoia isn't as pleasant to fly in it, because it suffers from overheating at low altitudes like all planes do on a desert map. So you can't climb at 100% throttle, thus making it a slow and long climb to an altitude where overheating isn't a problem anymore.

4.09m here.

It's funny, I can't land, bomb, rocket or strafe to save my life while in wonder woman view. I ALWAYS crash and (burn) into the ground.

I realized I need a point of reference to the ground (cockpit), so I must have the cockpit on to land or strafe.

Same thing with judging closure times w/out icons, I can do it better with the cockpit as reference.


However wonder woman does allow me to make some pretty neat deflection shots.

I think its a balance here . . . yet one cannot dispute some of unknown pilot's sentiment.

IL-2's dated graphics quite aren't as great as RL vision.

AND not everyone has the PC power to run at full graphics, like with me, I see black dots until 1 km, then pixels up to .5 km. Then something recognizable after that.

I suppose that will all be fixed in BOB SOW's improved graphics.


And I saw track IR (my friend just got it for his FPS). He did a comparison of playing with and without it. His kill ratio with went through the roof. Oh man I can't wait to get it for IL-2. I thought it was just as good as the mouse scrolling view. But its way better and frees up a hand.

As for equipment . . . it does make a difference.

The POV hat is a joke for looking around. The mouse is alot smoother but requires one hand.

Twist joystick rudder coordination with the stick is lame vs actual rudder pedals.

Compare to a HOTAS guy + track IR, pedals, and mic w/ team speak vs a single joystick guy with POV hat and twist for rudder.

the HOTAS track IR dude will smoke the twist joy dude any day in regards to flying and communication if both are equally skill / equal pc / connection etc.


Maybe a middle ground, set up servers that have icons limited out to 1-2 km with full cockpit. That way you can see the dots, at distance but not know who they are until 1 km, which would simulate RL vision for those with weaksauce PC's and IL-2's aged graphics.

That said,

anyone can learn to fly and deal with full realism regardless of PC or equipment.

im aiming 4 fr myself

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Originally posted by Unknown-Pilot:

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Originally posted by RSS-Martin:
4.09m Servers that have full real settings are still very few. I don´t like those servers that use icons and wonder women view.

Given the fact that we are limited to a 17 to 19" square, mono-scopic window onto the virtual world, and a VERY low resolution (vs eyesight), AND unnatural and limiting view control, AND with VERY odd fields of view... "full switch" is in fact quite UNrealistic. It actually makes it far more difficult than it would be in reality.

Yeah, yeah same old excuses coming. If you prefer easier settings, fine but the 'unrealistic' excuse won't wash. Easier than reality eh? Try this-

Bf-109

And add in G-forces, fear of death and boiling/freezing cockpits and still tell me how hard FR is compared to RL. For you it maybe too hard but plenty virtual pilots have little problem with it and that has nothing to do with flight equipment either, (plenty still use hatswitches)- just practice and willingness to push yourself.

Sorry for staying OT OP

Try again, because your post there is full of fail.

See, the problem is, your ego is getting in the way. You are a smug full switch guy and WANT to call that "real" - Fact it's NOT. It's MORE DIFFICULT (<- you flipped that, read slower, it sinks in better) than it would be in reality.

Put your ego aside and actually look at the situation - everything is smaller, 2D, lower res, and your neck is welded to the headrest.

If you honestly think that the most "realisitc" experience is to be had by enhancing the limitations of the interface, then you are hopeless.

If you prefer a limited experience, that's fine, just admit it to yourself - don't be giving me attitude just because I seek an experience which works around the interface limitations to be a bit closer to what it should be like (ie, being there).

Edit - Just in case there was any confusion, I don't advocate or care for wonder woman view, or use of externals or F6 in combat.

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Originally posted by doraemil:
4.09m here.

It's funny, I can't land, bomb, rocket or strafe to save my life while in wonder woman view. I ALWAYS crash and (burn) into the ground.

I realized I need a point of reference to the ground (cockpit), so I must have the cockpit on to land or strafe.

Same thing with judging closure times w/out icons, I can do it better with the cockpit as reference.


However wonder woman does allow me to make some pretty neat deflection shots.

I think its a balance here . . . yet one cannot dispute some of unknown pilot's sentiment.

IL-2's dated graphics quite aren't as great as RL vision.

AND not everyone has the PC power to run at full graphics, like with me, I see black dots until 1 km, then pixels up to .5 km. Then something recognizable after that.

I suppose that will all be fixed in BOB SOW's improved graphics.


And I saw track IR (my friend just got it for his FPS). He did a comparison of playing with and without it. His kill ratio with went through the roof. Oh man I can't wait to get it for IL-2. I thought it was just as good as the mouse scrolling view. But its way better and frees up a hand.

As for equipment . . . it does make a difference.

The POV hat is a joke for looking around. The mouse is alot smoother but requires one hand.

Twist joystick rudder coordination with the stick is lame vs actual rudder pedals.

Compare to a HOTAS guy + track IR, pedals, and mic w/ team speak vs a single joystick guy with POV hat and twist for rudder.

the HOTAS track IR dude will smoke the twist joy dude any day in regards to flying and communication if both are equally skill / equal pc / connection etc.


Maybe a middle ground, set up servers that have icons limited out to 1-2 km with full cockpit. That way you can see the dots, at distance but not know who they are until 1 km, which would simulate RL vision for those with weaksauce PC's and IL-2's aged graphics.

That said,

anyone can learn to fly and deal with full realism regardless of PC or equipment.

im aiming 4 fr myself

You hit it on the head, then went back on it for some reason.

Again, this notion that all difficulty turned on is "full real" is utter nonsense.

You said it yourself, our eyes have orders of magnitude greater resolution, AND field of view.

I mentioned that before, but I dunno if it was missed - There are 3 main views in IL2, full back, middle, and gunsight/zoom. I presonally tend to fly in full back, and fight in middle, but often find it necessary to jump to full zoom, not just for ID, but also for more precise aiming (even with the upgrade to a 19" monitor I recently made).

Ok, now, bearing that in mind - full zoom is the most realistic representation of view angle in terms of object size. That is to say, when you blow it up to "life size" the amount of area that you can actually see is very small (look around in full zoom, you'll see what I mean). In order to see more of the world around you, to take at least SOME of the blinders off, you have to "zoom back", shrinking everything to fit on your tiny screen. And then even more-so in order to have a better look at your instruments.

This is just a PART of what I mean by "limitations of the interface" (the interface being our PCs, keyboards, monitors, joysticks, etc - how we interact with the virtual world).

This is compounded by the fact that the joystick responds differently in each zoom level, being most (even overly) sensitive in full zoom, causing all motions to be exaggerated.

Now, if we combine all that with resolution issues - I don't know about anyone else, but I'm still stuck at 1024x768. When IL2 first came out I was actually running at 800x600. However, even at 1600x1200, it's still **** poor compared to human vision.

What that means is, we have to get FAR too close in the game under full switch to ID planes, compared to how close the real pilots actually had to get.

This is where icons come in to play. Nobody said anything about 5Km full icons as per default. Limited icons. Limited where you see nothing until a given distance matching how close you would really need to get to identify friend or foe, and then have just that info come up (color). And when you would be close enough to see type, maybe add that (not that it matters much though). And you can turn off distance readouts entirely.

The whole point being to replicate distances real pilots were able to work with, but do so within the limitations of the interface we are forced to work with.

Now for Padlock.... there again, assuming no mods and generic hardware, you are limited twice over. Firstly, as you pointed out, POV hat or mouse, well, you can't control your throttle, or maintain good view control. Compare that to someone with a Cougar, like me, who can control the view with their microstick on the throttle... If I were to insist on no PL and accuse the other guy of being too weak or lazy to "step up", well... I think we could see what's really going on (I'd have an advantage I'd be trying to protect - pure self interest, and nearly "cheating" through hardware in a sense by intentionally tilting the metaphorical playing field).

But it goes further - remember, without mods, or even WITH mods but no TiR, your virutal neck is welded to the headrest - no 6DoF means you can't move around the cockpit to get around obstructions. This is intensified by the lack of stereo-scopic vision (as it's a 2D screen).

Look at how PL behaves when you are in combat - it will track through obstructions ONLY to a point (the limits of where you could concievably look), and only for a short time. If someone hides behind your 190s front bracing for a few seconds, PL breaks off (even when you could duck and move and look around it, maintaining visual contact, if you weren't welded to the headrest). If they go too far to an extreme, it breaks off. In fact, it's even a limitation to an extent because at certain extremes it will "seek" and or try to look in the wrong way and can actually interfere with your piloting (many people crash because they are trying to use padlock).

In fact, you don't even have to map a key for it, let alone use it if you don't want to. So people who act high and mighty about it, and who turn it off on servers are simply trying to take advantage of the hardware limitations, both innately, and of any advantage they might have over more casual (or poor) participants. It's rather sad actually, and very unfortunate.

Good posts unknown-pilot.... I like your thinking and agree that most of the Full Real BS is just ego...
and a lot of people taking a GAME far too seriously.