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Originally posted by Rjel:

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Originally posted by LEBillfish:

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Originally posted by Bearcat99:
and the UI1.2 Mustangs are a MUST HAVE for us.. I th8ink I'll do a clean install and check this out..

How is that?....FM's have changed?

K2

Yup. Now it flies like it should. Still stalls, still snap rolls but not so hap hazardly.

Rjel hit it on the head... and thew API belting is much better... The plane still stalls.. still snap rolls.. still has the elevator issues if you try to yank & bank.. but it is much more stable.. it still reqires trimming.. but it is not as twitchy.. It no longer feels like you are trying to balance it on the head of a pin..

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Originally posted by TooCooL34:
Technically it sounded great but after a few hours of fiddling around,
practically AAA UI is better than HSFX for me.

All in all, AAA UI team seems to know what players like me want, while HSFX not.
I see much faster loading time and maybe it is error free but many crucial mods are missing and mod enabler is not more intuitive.
I hope they provide their good programming skill to AAA UI team.
Let AAA UI team supervise and decide what to include or not and HSFX team refine them.
Just my 2 cents.

HSFX still is such a beautiflu work, it deserves standing ovation for their passion and skill.

That was one of my concerns actually.. There are certain mods like the openable canopies on the P-40s & 190s, the splash screen mod, the skin mod, that require having access to those folders.. It would be nice if those mods could be placed in a folder that is accessible. I guess that might defeat the purpose of why they did it though.. but then that would be on the individual whether or not he was CRT=2 compliant or not.. and if he wasnt he wouldn't be able to get into CRT=2 servers..

Quote: Originally posted by TooCooL34:
Technically it sounded great but after a few hours of fiddling around, practically AAA UI is better than HSFX for me.

All in all, AAA UI team seems to know what players like me want, while HSFX not. I see much faster loading time and maybe it is error free but many crucial mods are missing and mod enabler is not more intuitive.

I hope they provide their good programming skill to AAA UI team. Let AAA UI team supervise and decide what to include or not and HSFX team refine them.
Just my 2 cents.

HSFX still is such a beautiful work, it deserves standing ovation for their passion and skill.
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This is actually a valid point, that we (The HSFX Team) have have said as well. This versions primary objective was for use with Scorched Earth Campaigns in mind. It can always be used to fly on On-line Servers, but it's not our primary target.

You can add the Mods you want to the HSFX 4.0 package though. That was always our intention. I think you could add all of the AAA 1.2 release over HSFX 4.0 and have it all (I've never tried it so I can't say for certain.).

Our objective always was not to put limits on anyone, we provide the things our community wants and then people can add anything on top of it they want.

The only downside is that we can support whats contained in HSFX Version 4.0, but if other Mods are added and someone has a problem, support becomes a problem. We will try to help of course, but it's tough to solve a problem with software you don't have. But, I don't expect people will have any problems adding Mods other than the type of problems people have been having since the beginning installing Mods.

That is good to know... Actually there isnt much that is not there... Do you folks intend on adding the recently added aircraft from UI1.2 anytime soon?

I'm really pleased to see that simply dropping mods into the MODS folder automatically activates them alongside the HSFX included content.

Great work.

first mirror for people unable to download torrents - please be sure to check md5 hash sums when downloading from filefront....

EDIT: Links to mods not allowed


HSFX will have regular patches, creators of this mod pack are in excellent working relations with other major mod players (AAA, C6, Ultrapack) so we can all expect good things in the future

cheers

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That is good to know... Actually there isnt much that is not there... Do you folks intend on adding the recently added aircraft from UI1.2 anytime soon?

It was discussed with AAA, and they kindly said go ahead and include them. But they have done an awful lot of work on those planes and we thought they should have an exclusive on it, because our release dates were so close.

But they will be included in a future release.

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That is good to know... Actually there isnt much that is not there... Do you folks intend on adding the recently added aircraft from UI1.2 anytime soon?

It was discussed with AAA, and they kindly said go ahead and include them. But they have done an awful lot of work on those planes and we thought they should have an exclusive on it, because our release dates were so close.

But they will be included in a future release.

Nice, I like this attitude.

I think it bodes well for the future of IL2 that (for the most part) there seems to be some real cooperation between the various mod groups.

Wasn't AAA the second "official" way to go?

HL servers changing to either UI 1.1.1 or 1.2

in this faster load time set of mods...

what if I want to change a texture in X cockpit?

what if I want to a sound in X plane?

I have a fresh copy of 4.08m and ui 1.1-1.2 plus several other mods

this could be getting out of hand as it is, right now I'm wishing official AAA word about compatibility with 4.09m final.

Fortunately the cost of HDD space is minimal now...
I already have the following folders installed on my computer so this will just add another one.....I'm ready to try anything new....especially the new MDS mod to come soon with the radars and refuelling/rearming etc.

4.8/4.9/4.9b1m modded to hell/1.11 UI/1.2 UI/ 4.9+1.2 combined....... standby...wait..out

Well, no, there isn't an "official" way to go. Truth is we are all hacking someone else code. Fortunately for all IL-2 users, Oleg has a very enlightened and refreshing view on all this, or it couldn't be happening. The various Modder's for the most part, now work in many different groups with no affiliations. They build what they want to see, naturally, and there's no central control and there can't be.

The various groups are trying to cooperate and are trying to come to some type of common base for the sake of the on-line servers.

It's a difficult process, the Mods have had an extremely troubled past. There are a lot of hardened attitudes. But it is a work in progress.

This is just my opinion, but I think this release shows whats possible. It's a combination of many, many peoples work, everyone cooperating, Credit is given in all cases where we can find the author. It isn't the product of an individual or group, it's a collection of every one's work. It can be installed, configured and removed by someone without a great deal of computer skills.

I'm not sure what you mean by "what if I want to a sound in X plane?". By all means, you can go and do that if you want. There nothing in this release that stops you from Modding a mod.

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Originally posted by T4T-TheProf:
Well, no, there isn't an "official" way to go. Truth is we are all hacking someone else code. Fortunately for all IL-2 users, Oleg has a very enlightened and refreshing view on all this, or it couldn't be happening.

How many new users to IL2 have been because of the availability of the mods? I've seen a lot of new names here in the last couple of years. Not all of it due to the fact IL-2 is modded for sure, but I'd wager a good share of them. Oleg is nothing if he isn't a good business man. He could have made life miserable for the modders and websites, this one in particular if he wanted. This sim was just dying a slow death before the mods came along. How many more sales did he make by not stopping fan developement?

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Originally posted by Rjel:

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Originally posted by LEBillfish:

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Originally posted by Bearcat99:
and the UI1.2 Mustangs are a MUST HAVE for us.. I th8ink I'll do a clean install and check this out..

How is that?....FM's have changed?

K2

Yup. Now it flies like it should. Still stalls, still snap rolls but not so hap hazardly.

Yeahhhhhhhhh.....how interesting and disconcerting....

K2

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Originally posted by LEBillfish:

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Originally posted by Rjel:

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Originally posted by LEBillfish:

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Originally posted by Bearcat99:
and the UI1.2 Mustangs are a MUST HAVE for us.. I th8ink I'll do a clean install and check this out..

How is that?....FM's have changed?

K2

Yup. Now it flies like it should. Still stalls, still snap rolls but not so hap hazardly.

Yeahhhhhhhhh.....how interesting and disconcerting....

K2

You don't have to take my word for it. From previous posts, I think you respect Bearcats opinion. He's ok with 'em. Give them a try. I think you'd agree they aren't magic carpets by any means.

As to whether or not it's disconcerting, I can live with it.

Not my point.....

"FM's and weapons will never be messed with"....

Now don't get me wrong, the AI made flyable often need correction, and obviously new aircraft. Yet if old flyables are being altered, to even if "old aircraft/new slot" planes are made, it starts messing with the curve doesn't it?

To a point "i'm guessing", FMs "in the base sim" are a sweeping thing wherein if you cange the FM, all aircraft get altered......Then there is the tweaking of individual aircraft........At that point JUST as it was when Oleg made them it is subjective, and we have seen how rediculously left field opinions on aircraft can be.

So, that said...........I take it the Ki-43's 4.07 stalls were fixed yes? Being it was probably one of the most forgiving aircraft.....Or what about the proven out Ki-61 windscreen oiling?....etc..

Wanna bet not?

How about all the nice reviews on .50 calibers on the whole...."whoa dude! I could never take down planes like this before, and now I can wings off kill 20 190's with split second bursts!".......Though an exageration, we've seen these posts since 1.2 came out.

So how is it that the good pilots here had no trouble with them before, and suddenly EVERYone here now finds .50 cals ace makers?

"Never" was the word.......So since never is shorter then "2 weeks", how balanced or true to real life was it ALL adjusted?

K2

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Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Not my point.....

"FM's and weapons will never be messed with"....

Now don't get me wrong, the AI made flyable often need correction, and obviously new aircraft. Yet if old flyables are being altered, to even if "old aircraft/new slot" planes are made, it starts messing with the curve doesn't it?

This has been argued about for two years now. For the record, these are new slot A/C. Your tried and true planes aren't being touched to my knowledge. I personally feel it's a much closer representation to what I have read about the Mustang for many years. I'm confident the people doing the work on this model P-51 are doing an accurate representation of real life performance. Your mileage may vary.

What size does this package add to our install?

Suppose my partition with a clean 4.09 has a spare 10-15 GB...would that be enough to install this?

I think it adds another 4 gigs to your 4.09m install, which comes out to about 10.3 gigs total.



Bill

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Originally posted by Rjel:
I'm confident the people doing the work on this model P-51 are doing an accurate representation of real life performance. Your mileage may vary.

In that case I just hope they aren't the same people who made the Mosquito B.XVI...

@Billfish...

I think this is the one thing that has intrigued me since day one about the mods. None of these reputable groups have ever messed with the FM/DM of any official 1C aircraft.

If a group feels like an Oleg plane does not perform to spec, they make a brand new slotted plane separate from Oleg's and introduce it that way.

For example, I was flying on Spits v 109's yesterday. They use AAA's 1.2 with CRT=2. (CRT=2 means Check Runtime 2) This verifies that everyone is flying the same mods as far as the java class files that contain the FM/DM.

So, one entering knows that everyone else is on the same playing field. (That's reassuring)

Well, one map had one of these new P-51's that was included in the AAA 1.2 installer. I flew against it and I didnt notice any difference except that the .50 cals seemed to have a slightly better punch. It didnt turn faster or pull more G's than the other non-modded ones. It seemed quite normal to me to fly against it.

But the point here is, these are NEW planes not changes to Oleg made aircraft.