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Well come to think of it, after being rammed a good dozen times, yes my fuel ran out just at their base, and since it was the only airport I could reach....... Mean Happy

DKoor as to ownages have a look at this screen shot, is a red base which constantly bugged us with Spitfires, what you see is the direct hit of those AC1000 canister bombs. Nothing came from that base for awhile!

My favorite view of a enemy airbase, best especially when those "little friends" are there getting ready for take off.
Veryhappy


 
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Well come to think of it, after being rammed a good dozen times, yes my fuel ran out just at their base, and since it was the only airport I could reach....... Mean Happy



Did you make it back to base???

After reading the last few posts I thought an amendment should be made.

Ramming=Camping
Ramming to bring down a Heavy is not condoned on this server unless outlined in your Squadron‘s Code of Conduct and only in appropriate missions. If you can’t bring it down with bullets then you cant bring it down or you may find a Squadron of Heavy Bombers Camped out at your Base.


What do you think?

Tuph

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RSS_Martin and Tuph & All,

Now that is a perfect example of "Bombers Revenge"....very well dished out...and served cold Wink

I really like the idea of a "time out" if you get killed more than a couple of times...and further, I really like the idea of being able to spectate the game during the time out...I believe that this adds value, sportsmanship and common sense to the scenario/mission...

While I really prefer fighter aircraft, I think more maps should favor the bomber pilots...in survivability and targets...but not to the extent that the plane sets would be "Gladiators" (planes,Tuph) against "B-29's"..

When Tuphlandng first began this thread...I really thought he was "p-ing into the wind" Red Face

I now believe that he is really onto something that will benefit all...and totally with the help/ideas/comments from some really smart folks that have contributed here...

Thanx Tuph & All Clap

Old Pudfark...
 
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Thanks Pudfark

The Gladiators as a Squadron has but one rule "Survive the Colosseum" so Gladiators don't ram ever,even to bring down the Heavy before it reaches the target. Defeats the purpose of being a Gladiator. Gladiator's were really nothing more then slaves that served a purpose,Gladiator's didn't want to fight they had to fight to survive.Gladiator's were sometimes purchased,a dead Gladiator body would be fed to the lions.Gladiator's were not unlike Boxers and Football players. Many were star's in the arena and vary famous. You could even purchase a small statue of your favorite.

"but not to the extent that the plane sets would be "Gladiators" (planes,Tuph) against "B-29's".."???

If the mission is to bring down RSS-Martin Bombers then that is what we will do but no ramming regardless of weather he has reached his target or not.This would only apply to any wanted to join "The Gladiators" and visitor's not to other Squadrons.Squadron code's would supersede these guideline's as writing in there own code's. But I am still working on that one. Be sides he already told how he would get even and I would NOT want his Bomber parked on my front door.IE Ramming=Camping or the Bombers revenge

"I really thought he was "p-ing into the wind"

Me to I was going to start a thread in Off topic "Is This Guy Nuts???


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Hey Tuph,

I shoulda wrote "Biplanes" against "B-29's"...(the other was a poor attempt at humor)...

Su Amigo,

Old Pudfark......
 
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OHHH
I wasn't sure. And not far from the truth really as far as Gladiators go.

HMMM"Biplanes" against "B-29's"gives me an idea for a match.


Tuph
 
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Originally posted by blairgowrie:
6 pages so far! At some point you will have to fish or cut bait.

Just do it man. Nothing is caste in stone.


OK if that is a request,it still needs some polish,here it is:


For those about to die we salute you

Welcome to the Gladiator’s server.
This server was built and is maintained by "the Gladiator Squadron" this is a private server for there use.Remember that we are sharing this with you. When on-line please join our public games. Here are some guidelines to follow and a brief explanation.



While you are here you represent your squadrons conduct your self with the codes of your squadrons if they don’t do it then you don’t do it here.

If you are not part of a squad then these are your guide lines and your code of conduct
For those that just want to fly and share this experience with others on-line then you must follow The Gladiators guidelines
NO Exceptions will be tolerated.

Trolls and Spamers or any one joining to disrupt the flow of any game will be treated as a spy and shot down and possibly kicked. Repeated offenses you will be kicked.
We just wont take the time to sort it out that is your job to prove your not.

Respect and Honor
Gladiators are respected by Gladiators and don’t have the right to expect it from others.
You will treat players as you would be treated regardless of the way that treat you.
Respect: if you have none then you have no privilege playing in this server
This includes gross obscenities in any regard whether in jokes or just being mulishess it will not be tolerated no exceptions. Sometimes we slip but keep in mind the age bracket of the players. And keep in mind that maybe it is soucily acceptable; it may be offensive to others

Name-calling
Please by all means in this arena As a Gladiator the more colorful the better as long as it is not offensive. If a player tells you it is offensive then it is don’t repeat it

Respect others colors
Do not fly under another s banner or an on-line name
This includes and is not limited, Call signs Squadron Colors or their skins. Simple if it isn’t yours then don’t touch it.

Logging on as a different user
Is accepted for a number of reasons. We will need to know who you are to be invited to closed missions. Using the same name each visited will improve your chances and lets us get to know you. You my be invited to be a Gladiator


Proper Marking’s on planes
All planes will have proper markings NO exceptions. Improper markings can be offensive to others and out of respect proper markings on the proper planes. I will not explain this any clearer so just make sure you have the proper markings on your plane. We do not fly captured planes


Attacking on Final and Ramming Bombers
Falls under poor sportsmen ship and frowned upon. Some of our missions last a long time. The damage engine of this sim allows us to fly with damaged surfaces and control cables Landing becomes more difficult and we prepare for a hard landing and to deprive another player of this challenge is poor sportsmen ship and is not condoned by any of the Gladiators.
Ramming is not condoned on this server unless outlined in your Squadron‘s Code of Conduct and only in appropriate missions. If you can’t bring a Bomber down with bullets then you cant bring it down.


Although if engage with a Fighter and a pilot makes an attempt to land he is still a target landing does not=escape.

Chute Shooting
Some players find it offensive what’s the point so just don’t do it


Camping
Gladiators want a fair fight and do not camp on enemy bases so you shall not either.

Vulching
Sometimes a player will spawn while you are above his base strafing the plane on the ground is frond upon by the Gladiators. We well mock strafe the base (with out firing). But there are consequences.

Defense against a mock strafing
If you have just re-spawned and are Mock strafed Fire when he falls in your sites He asked for it he gets it you and the flak may get him.

Team Killing and point stealing
Any form of point stealing is subject to inquiry whether it is team killing or not ejecting after landing to avoid a fight or engine trouble a downed plane is a slow target get out of it unless you want to be a target to.
If engaged and a friendly fly’s into your guns brake off the attack and reengage or the result may be recorded as a friendly kill on your record.

Gladiators points system
Points are tallied recorded and posted as a Squadron score.
Friendly kills are Highlighted


Emergency landings ”qqq” and NAV Lights (Dead stick landings 1&2)
NAV Lights are used for Dead Stick Landings
Dead Stick 1
Calling out dead stick declares an emergency and gives you priority to a landing strip or zone. A dead stick landing is just that, you have a dead stick no power and poor controls and uncontrolled decent. Dead stick takes priority and gets right of way for the runway.
Report Dead Stick turn on your lights and land the other planes will clear your path.
Dead Stick 2
For other then mechanical failures report “dead stick” state the problem, Fuel, Controls, Cramp, Rest Room or even Snacks, turn on your lights and land come back and catch up with out losing your spot
If you don’t have TS
For those that don’t have team speak type ”qqq” turn on your lights land let us know why you had to land come back you wont loose your spot. The lights help to see you so you can be avoided and a possible escort can track you. It is recommended that you do not fly with them on as it makes you an easer target to spot.
Ramming
Waste of resources and not condoned



Gladiators Police them self’s
Gladiators have one purpose to entertain the mob. Our complaints fall on deaf ears outside of the Arena. So we only complain amongst our selves. We hope you will do the same

If you are kicked or received a Kick warning
We welcome all participants and mistakes are made. So after receiving a kick warning message ask why and apologize or defend your actions, don’t argue cant stress that enough. A Gladiator or Moderator was witness or someone complained ether way he wants to know both sides you wont kicked for explaining but you could get banned for arguing.

We are human and make mistakes If your are kicked, sign in as a deferent user and come back and defend your self. Don’t repeat the same offense and you wont get Kicked again


Externals are Tools for Moderators and observers
You may have noticed that the externals are on at this server we use it as a training aid and to monitor visitors. Use it at your discretion. You may want to just watch other pilots fly after you land or get shot down we don’t mind.

We wont always be on line so we rely on you to let a us know of disrespectful actions as outlined above and found that it is the only way to properly moderate this server. Although first or even second offense may not result in an immediate reprimand but you should see a warning message on the screen as long as there is a Gladiator on-line. If you are offended then take the first step confront him/her in a respectful manor. If it keeps up let us know and we while try to resolve the issue in a calm manor. Gladiators don’t want to be chained to a whiner so keep in mind that complaints are considered a verbal weapon and should be treated as such and not to be taken lightly, to many and you may be thought of as a troll.
In regards to complaints “Draw me not in anger sheath me not with out honor” is our guideline


All Gladiators are moderators and expect them to be watching



Who are the Gladiators?
Some were Prisoners of War
Some Were Sentenced to Death
Some were Free Men and Women

To suffer myself to be whipped by with rods burned by fire or killed by steel if I disobey
This is MY OATH
For I AM
GLADEATOR

Or:
No Team Killing.!
No kill stealing!
No chute shooting!
Historical markings!
No trash talk!
Honor and respect!


Enjoy

Tuphlanding




Tuph

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And I think that AA target parachute when you ditch above an enamy air field.


Not any more. This has been fixed in 4.09m, which is an official patch from Oleg.

Aviar


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Through out this entire thread we have been discussion Rules,Regulations,Guide Lines Proper Code of Ethics what to do what not to do and on and on. Heated discussing at how the game should be played not be played depriving points when to fire when not to fire. Even discussion's at Squadron Codes and how there bad.

Now If I start a Squadron and create a server and Your Squadron has excepted a challenge or makes a challenge to compete against my Squad using My server and My maps. How do you know that I will not use that advantage to WIN the match.

In all fairness what should my guidelines be?


Tuph
 
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Howdy Tuph,

It seems simple to me...Let them have the choice of blue or red....which would include plane sets...I have notice that on a few servers that I have played in the past...that it always seems that I have the sun in my eyes and they don't... Sad Eyes

Su Amigo,

Old Pudfark....
 
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Well play then Manfred Mann´s "Blinded by the Light" Veryhappy


 
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Pudfark if you are reading this I had something way cooler in mind then pick red or blue. And I am sure it would have been approved by every one and would add to the game.

Think Map reading and make the game fun with planing on attack in mind.

Tuph



Basically the the Rules would be

Have fun
Don't Hack any body Off

Its long and wordy out of respect for those that posted in this thread and not all points have been addressed.


Thanks Again

Tuph


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I was told that what I came up with is long and wordy and no one will read it. I deleted much of my commentary well be cause it just wasn't productive any more to leave it in.
At a public server level these rules or Guidelines could never be enforced. These would apply to the moderators or squad members only and not at a public level,seriously what would I be thinking. Many Squads have longer Guidelines and some have shorter Guidelines. What these Squadrons have in common is they have Guidelines and that is what defines them as a Squadron and a team.
When I started this thread I had only two goals in mind. One was to try and stop the gripe threads about severs that frown on using proper combat tactics,BnZ=Ban, is only one of the threads I read were the player did not know what they did wrong.
The second and the most ludicrous was directed at trouble makers. I needed to build a server that even the trouble makers would have no fun disrupting games in.

It was apparent to me that as the thread grew and all your input had to be noted in these Guidelines it would never be applied to a open public server but at a Squadron level and to be fare your Squadron codes would supersede this servers, to really be fare. And enforcement would ultimately be at your Squadron level. Make sense??

I really am surprised that no one has commented to my work in the positive or negative????

Maybe you think I am nuts,Maybe I am,to spend so much time on a game????? But then I spent a week trying to paste flames on a flight model and skinners have spent years perfecting there skills.
I have spent a life time working on difficult problems in search of solutions,that is just what I do,every problem has a solution. I just try to find it,call it a hobby.

Does this in any way explain what I am trying to do? And I am still working on it.


Thanks

Tuph

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The views grow ?????

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Howdy Tuph,

I like what you have proposed...and really agree with it...

Running a "public server", open to all, is sorta like running a "beer joint" with no age limit Sad Eyes

Running a "Private Server" is trying to I.D. everybody... Roll Eyes and then let them in...

I think most folks with a squad tag and or reference from a squad would probably be the safest way to do things...not the best way, just the safest..

I have little experience in campaign flying and map making...perhaps those more experienced will add something to your thread...

Tuph, when you first started this thread, I thought you were nuts...
Over the years,I had read thousands of complaining posts about rules and behavior and never any definitive solutions...and I really believed then, that none would ever be forth coming.....I was wrong.

Several contributing posts to this thread, both negative and positive changed my mind and perspective....in a most positive way...Now, I really do believe, that it can be done in such a manner, as to address the concerns/complaints of any reasonable person, towards fair and entertaining game play.

All that being said..whew!....Tuph, you are nuttier than a squirrel t*rd, but I like your style. Winky

Old Pudfark...
 
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Thank you Pudfark not every one got the PM I sent you. Care to share


Tuph

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Server popularity is certainly not any measure of a servers true worth any more than Hitler's popularity meant he was a good human being!

If a server is wildly popular it may be for the same reason that internet porn is popular, it may actually be that way because it appeals to the shallow and petty!

If you look at a Bell curve, what is most popular is certainly what is average, and if you look at what is average and popular in our society, for instance War, Poverty, Britney Spears, you can get the idea that what is REALLY above average, what is really good as far as IL2 servers and IL2 pilots go, will NOT be popular at all and very well may be crucified.

So go ahead and start a server. Impose your ideals on it. If your bottom line is being popular like a high-school cheerleader, if that is what is important to you, then by all means go that way.

If on the other hand you want to put something out in the world that sacrifices popularity in doing justice to history or reality, it may not be popular and you may not be thanked, but if you ever are, you can know it will actually mean something......
 
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Howdy Foundrywork,

This is an email (Below) Tuph exchanged with me...
I think you are correct...A server generally goes one way or the other....and mixing the two types of themes does not seem to work...that is if I understood your post correctly....

Tuph and I have done some emailing back and forth and this is his latest idea..(Oopsies, hope I am not letting the cat out of the bag) What do y'all think about this?

EMAIL FROM Tuph:

"Here is what I had in mind to keep the games fare at a match or campaign level only:

The Maps will be choosing by the team leaders for the match and or campaigns

Teams will have equal amount of Resources
50 planes
100 AA

Map lines will change in accordance to the team with the most kills and the lowest loss of life and resources left. Each team would have the same amount of planes but may have fewer pilots to fill the seats so re-spawning is a resource to WIN the match.
Simply put:
Blu Team
30 kills
50 planes left
no re-spawn's= + points
Red Team
10 kills
5 planes left
30 re-spawns= - points
Blu team Wins the match

Both sides will receive reinforcements and re-supply’s by trans port ship and aircraft. So
One goal would be to stop re-supply and only your team would know when your re supply is arriving,adds to the challenge, and would be received from the rear of your lines.


To win you have to push the opposing team off the map losing the lest amount of resources,lose of life and getting the most kills.


A lot of work but I think would add to the SIM,more immersion and make some interesting matches.
What do you think interesting?"

Tuph

Old Pudfark would really like to know...if a format such as this...were made available? Would y'all go there? During the past 8 years, I have been totally a DogFight server pilot, and not flying with a squad, until the last year....What Tuph is proposing to do really interests me and when he gets it done, I'm gonna to drag my squad over there...

Pudfark...flying as NGW-Sancho...
 
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this is an excellent thread. billfish, i like your, and the 78thsentai's, style. good approach to it.
 
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Thank you MD_Titus

Billfish and LEBillfish’s posts had a lot to do with my format. One of my favorite posts was LEBillfish’s post about her Squadron and she even went on to explain what can be expected. She went on to explain why this tactic should be expected. Ok it didn’t meet favorable by some. I saw a pride that comes with being a part of a group with commitment that knows no bounds in representing. Go back and read her post and the reply then LEBillfish's replay. And tell me if you see what I see and why it is one of my favorite’s.


Tuph

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Sorry guys still nothing new
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Edit Nov 5
If you think I missed something or would like to add to this post please feel free.

Tuph
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