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nice thread guys - Im trying to learn how to get the best from these planes but finding it awkward to handle ( funnily enough I find the same with the tempest )- the wing seems to float a bit and the snap stall gets me a few times

anyway to the point and Ok this is probably a very silly question but is there any difference in the P-51D5 and the P-51D-20 APART FROM THE GUNSIGHT ?

which do you guys prefer? - Iv heard some prefer the D5 as they can see the ball easily on the gunsight

I seem to find the d5 easier but it might be some weird placebo effect ?

There is no difference between the D5 and the d20 in this game exept the gunsight as u mentioned. IRL most D5s didnt have the dorsal fin, i.e that extended part of the tail fin along the fuselage. The tail section would resemble that of the P51B and P51C. That would IRL make it a bit more unstable along the vertical axis, and probably a bit more wobbly. (Like the B and C models are in game) In the game tho there is no FM diff between the D5 and the D20.
Some people prefer the D5 for the reason u stated. Personally I prefer the D20. I just find it easier to aim with for some reason and I never use the gyro gunsight...

Ya!.. I don't eather, if you get a chance for a quick high angle snap shot, It's not there!

GH_Klinstoem a late thanks! Ive had this sim since it came out, was excited when the 51 came out. always pissed me off that i couldnt fly it.
Thanks to you and everyone else in your thread i can usauly win on QNB 4 vs 8 - 4, 109f2, 4 190 a4s, its FUN as hell to be able to be more than a target in my favorite ride!!! THANKS

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Originally posted by mynameisroland:
In the 109 or the Fw 190 it doesnt matter, infact I haver never trimmed the 190 in 4 years lol.

German aircraft have no rudder trim = true. But how many have looked at the slip ball when doing 500kmph in the Anton? You'll find it bang in the middle and 500kmph is a nice speed to be hunting with in the Anton.

I've never had any joy out of the constant speed prop - manual for me every time. I'm not looking to squeeze max speed unless I really am desperate to get away but I want my fuel to last, I want to stay cool until i'm in the fight and I want to be fast. Staying alive isn't always about the 1 or 2 kmph extra but reading your situation before you jump in and this is more often than not experience based - if someone has more e than you then you'd better do something because running away in a straight line all trimmed up might not be the answer.

This post by Klingstroem should always be at the top of the forum, no joke.

Could somebody maybe work that out?

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GH_Klingstroem quote:
Using il2 inputs AND CH manager together will apparently make the stick have conflicting inputs and some of my squad members get a wobbly plane that cant be flown accurately. However we are still looking into this as this is VERY VERY important for the P51!
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Aint that the truth!
Thanks Kling, great post m8, very helpful.
If you get the above sorted will you please post the solution here. And it's not only the Mustang.
Thanks, Ibis
ps. I'll check back from time to time.


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P-51 is one of my favourite aircrafts, and i think one of the most important things when fly it is a smooth joystick setting, especially PITCH. I have been playing IL-2 for six months(online + offline) and spent five months to find a suitable setting and for now it is:

Roll: 0 1 2 5 11 19 32 49 67 100, Dead Band: 10, Filtering: 0
PITCH : 0 3 7 13 21 31 45 61 77 100, Dead Band: 10, Filtering: 0
Yaw: 0 3 9 16 25 34 46 61 81 100, Dead Band: 10, Filtering: 0

It works ok with deflection shooting, but still sensitive when aim straight foward . When i'm diving down or even at his six, opponent make small movement and i immediately feel difficult to aim. I tried Kling's setting but it doesn't work with me and not good in turn, and i don't want to quit the game in order to change setting every time fly another aircraft.

Any help please?
My joystick is Saitek AV8R, and... sorry for my terrible English.

Kingtiger -- try some filter and... what's with the deadband? Loose stick?

Also just for try once and see, lower the prop rpms going into gunnery pass and see how that
affects your ability to correct aim.

But the Filter -- at least 2 or 3 notches just for tryout. It will make you smoother and take
the stick spiking down like Dolby takes hiss out of audio tape.

Thanks for helping, M-Gunz .

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Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Kingtiger -- try some filter and... what's with the deadband? Loose stick?

No, i used it for my old Saitek Evo and it became habit. So although this AV8R is a new one i still use the deadband, seem make my gunnery more stable.

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Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Also just for try once and see, lower the prop rpms going into gunnery pass and see how that
affects your ability to correct aim.

When lower the prop-pitch or speed change i allways use trim to correct aim. Problem is when the opponent make SMALL movement my joy set isn't smooth enough to react correctly.

quote:

Originally posted by M_Gunz:
But the Filter -- at least 2 or 3 notches just for tryout. It will make you smoother and take
the stick spiking down like Dolby takes hiss out of audio tape.

The Filtering is good when maneuvering but seem like it has accuracy problem when i use snapshot. Anyway, i'll give it a try and see .

Personally I find deadzone to be a real problem and only use it when I have loose hardware
that nothing else works. (ie, I'm going shopping soon)

The reason is because I don't know just how far the stick moves before I'm out of the deadzone
unless I move it reeeeal slow. It's too easy for me to lose proportion with deadzone but your
mileage may vary.

The reason I lower prop speed is to lessen gyroscopic forces. They are what makes the nose move
up or down as well as to the side if you just rudder in correction. 4 metal prop blades turning
at 3000 rpm is gonna have more effect than the same at 2400 rpm. This is in passes at 500+ kph,
would the engine be overloaded at 80% rpm? I doubt it when the same is not overloaded at 100%
rpm and only 300 kph! Not that engine loading is modeled in IL2 but there's purists....

Ultima-Latet is one of the best P-51 pilot on HL.

If you ever get a chance to go up against him do it and you will see exactly what can be done with the P-51D in this sim.

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Ultima-Latet is one of the best P-51 pilot on HL.

If you ever get a chance to go up against him do it and you will see exactly what can be done with the P-51D in this sim.

Gee... I wonder if he uses good luck charms and amulets like TIR, trim prop pitch and all other the features of the plane as modeled in the sim.. like a "newb".. or if he flies like a [i]real flight sim veteran with just a twist joystick and a hat switch.



I'm just sayin...

Here is a tip on flying the p-51 from an actual pilot that flies the real warbirds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFl8X4y9-94&feature=related

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Originally posted by stalkervision:
Here is a tip on flying the p-51 from an actual pilot that flies the real warbirds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFl8X4y9-94&feature=related

Now run.

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Originally posted by Jaws2002:

quote:

Originally posted by stalkervision:
Here is a tip on flying the p-51 from an actual pilot that flies the real warbirds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFl8X4y9-94&feature=related

Now run.

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That would IRL make it a bit more unstable along the vertical axis, and probably a bit more wobbly. (Like the B and C models are in game) In the game tho there is no FM diff between the D5 and the D20.

This was one of the chief complaints about the P-51D in the Joint Fighter Conference in October 1944.

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Originally posted by Bearcat99:

quote:

Ultima-Latet is one of the best P-51 pilot on HL.

If you ever get a chance to go up against him do it and you will see exactly what can be done with the P-51D in this sim.

Gee... I wonder if he uses good luck charms and amulets like TIR, trim prop pitch and all other the features of the plane as modeled in the sim.. like a "newb".. or if he flies like a [i]real flight sim veteran with just a twist joystick and a hat switch.



I'm just sayin...

It depends on the direction of the wind at any moment, dontcha know?

quote:

Originally posted by stalkervision:
Here is a tip on flying the p-51 from an actual pilot that flies the real warbirds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFl8X4y9-94&feature=related

Real warbirds or post-war modifieds?