This looks really good - the winner for me over the Logitech is the trim being on the throttle not the stick!

I use all CH stuff at the moment Fighterstick,pedals and pro throttle - Any one know if this could work with the CH pedals or would I need to get Saitek as well?

Could be seeling all my CH stuff soon lol

looks interesting. I'm sad I just invested in a CH set up, but at the same I'm happy as CH is working just great. Sweet and sour,

I don't like that twist. Every joystick I've had the twist eventually carries over to non twist functions, such as ailerons or elevator. So anytime you get those two movements you get a good dose of rudder. Logitech is notorious for this. And its worse b/c I fly 100% sensitivity on the joystick and in IL-2.

However the coolest moves can be pulled off by rolling and the 3D force extreme puts in full rudder. Great for airshow, mimicking AI fighters, and getting out of spins training but bad for combat as experten fill my booty with lead and LOL, silly noob, tricks are for AI's.


But with Logitech n Saitek both cranking something out, wonder what CH will come up with?

Twist stick rudder.

X52 was a twist stick as well, but I never used it, it has a lock to lock it in place and I use my rudder pedals. Anyone willing to throw down this much cash will or at least should have rudder pedals, so I can hardly fault the company for using a twist rudder. If they didn't have a twist rudder then they would be blasted for that too, "what, you mean on top of all this money I have to buy pedals too?"...

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Originally posted by ibeagle:
Twist stick rudder.

Yeah but if you have pedals you can band that twist axis and turn it into a switch for rudder trim.

On Saitek product page:

http://www.saitekusa.com/prod/x65f.htm

Not Force Feedback, Force Sense like F-16... 2kg-10kg load.

Sokol1

I think that they have missed the boat with force sensing One guy on SimHQ thinks it isnt suitable for us or even FSX.

Has everyone read the above link? Here's the nasty meat of it:

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X65F Pro Flight System

Rule the skies with the latest Saitek X series controller – the Pro Flight X65F Control System. Custom engineered from high grade metal castings, this is a system that is built to withstand many combat engagements. The number of controls available will cater for any pilot’s needs, but the true innovation resides within the stick itself – Force Sensing technology.

What is Force Sensing?

In a world first for a manufactured simulation controller, the X65F’s stick does not move; instead, like those found in real modern fighter jets, it responds to pressure that you exert on the handle, resulting in a fast, accurate and realistic response that will make you the ace in your squadron. With no moving parts and a shaft that is made from high grade steel, this provides incredible reliability and longevity.

WHOA, this _is_ bunk!!! A joystick THAT DOES NOT MOVE! Sorry Saitek, I guess my X52 Pro will be fine for now...and all that joy lost on a FFB HOTAS...

There is always the Logi G940

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What is Force Sensing?

In a world first for a manufactured simulation controller, the X65F’s stick does not move; instead, like those found in real modern fighter jets, it responds to pressure that you exert on the handle

I thought I read somewhere that the Air Force gave up on the idea of a stick that didn't move because the pilots didn't like it.

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Originally posted by Hawkbug:

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What is Force Sensing?

In a world first for a manufactured simulation controller, the X65F’s stick does not move; instead, like those found in real modern fighter jets, it responds to pressure that you exert on the handle

I thought I read somewhere that the Air Force gave up on the idea of a stick that didn't move because the pilots didn't like it.

As far as I'm aware, these days they still use force sensing but the stick does give a bit when you push on it. Not a lot, only a bit - maybe +/- 5-10 degrees.

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Originally posted by Tully__:

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Originally posted by Hawkbug:
I thought I read somewhere that the Air Force gave up on the idea of a stick that didn't move because the pilots didn't like it.

As far as I'm aware, these days they still use force sensing but the stick does give a bit when you push on it. Not a lot, only a bit - maybe +/- 5-10 degrees.

And that sounds so much better than admitting that the base of those shiny expensive high tech toys wears out over time!

(j/k, really could not resist )

I want to see a new stick and pedals from CH....
Why are they taking so long to answer the saitek X65 and logitech G940 competition.

I don't know how Saitek has arranged their stick, but Tully is right, at least as far as the F-16 goes. The original (Block 1? Block 5?) control sticks were bolted to the cockpit, and didn't move. From what I remember, guys were straining their forearms trying not to overcontrol the aircraft, so General Dynamics built a little bit of movement into the later versions. Basically, they installed rubber washers, so the stick would move a little. Full input was about 25 lb. of force (you'll probably want to screw the X65 to the desk if it's in the same range), and that moved the top of the stick maybe an inch in any direction.

I'm not real keen on the twist rudder either, and would hope you could lock out the twist axis and use pedals, like previous Saitek rigs. As far as the force sensors go, it should be a non-issue to adapt. I remember being really worried about getting used to it after graduating from T-38's. With a few sim flights under my belt, my first flight in the jet was no problem (at least as far as the flight controls were concerned). The F-16 version of force sensing doesn't have any force feedback either, but I never missed it when flying. Force input was very intuitive, again as long as there was at least a little actual movement of the stick. Of course, the F-16 didn't buffet either.

Well, I do like the all metal construction, and it has a TON of hat switches. But two rotaries is too little. Maybe I'll get it if it comes out in reviews that the force sensing is super accurate and improves play etc., but for now it looks like the G940 is going under my xmas tree.