@Xiolablu3

no, he wasn't.
The rules were posted and were not broken according to the screenshot!

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Originally posted by robtek1957:
@Xiolablu3

no, he wasn't.
The rules were posted and were not broken according to the screenshot!

Sorry, I stand corrected.

But really, if you have ever flown with the Ukdedicated crowd, what he did was not in the spirit of the server.

The only real reason for strafing a ditched plane is if he has been sat on the ground for ages rather than hit 'refly', IMHO.

Even if a plane crash lands in a field, the enemy still loses a plane IIRC?

I guess I am just a bit protective of UKded servers as I have had some fantastic battles/missions there. SOme of my best IL2 moments where thanks to their well crafted missions and great comaradery...

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Originally posted by Xiolablu3:

Sorry, I stand corrected.

But really, if you have ever flown with the Ukdedicated crowd, what he did was not in the spirit of the server.

The only real reason for strafing a ditched plane is if he has been sat on the ground for ages rather than hit 'refly', IMHO.

Even if a plane crash lands in a field, the enemy still loses a plane IIRC?

So what if it's against the "spirit of the server"

Are we banning people because they don't fit in now?

Omnibus idem.

When SOW:BoB comes out they will have to make a special rule of no vulching German airfields only.
At least IIRC the Brits did not conduct daylight airfield attacks on the Germans during the BoB.

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Originally posted by na85:
So what if it's against the "spirit of the server"

Are we banning people because they don't fit in now?

I think you lost track of the whole thing. No one got banned. But facts don't always matter, I know that by now.

Ok, I'll let the things clear here:

I just have confirmation it was simple a accident. The server in which it happen is no way like that, it is excellent and has excellent admins.

I don't know, maybe the guy was annoyed with the fact or by another external issue. I don't know.

The fact is, he is human and things like that can happen.

And personally, I'm really not a example of a calm person. Already lost account the numbers of times I lost my patient for stupid things recently.

The fact is, can happen with every person. Maybe the guy was annoyed with my action, or another external problem. I don't know. Simple can happen.

What I thougth is it was a server rule, because I talk to him after the fact and he states clearly my act was "against the rules".

So, I create this topic based on the happening to show a critical opinion about take advantage of rules by it and related ones like running to the base after things get hot using the argument that: "the rules say there my enemy can't shoot". Altougth what happened with me was a accident, still can be used as example due to happen seriously.

I have total respect for the servers who adopt it - But we can disagree with them in a discuss, as was already did several times with the B&Z ban question - even if "You don't need to play in a server if don't accept the rules" like many people always say in this kind of tread. A critizen view about flaws players can take advantage by this kind of rule was my only intention. A rules policy critizen.

Well, finally just would ask the members to please try not touch the UK-Dedicated server regarded to this rules subject critizen anymore. I'm damm sad the server's name was revelead anyway. My apologies again for the server and the admin if he is seeing this tread or anyone more know him.

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And personally, I'm really not a example of a calm person. Already lost account the numbers of times I lost my patient for stupid things recently.

A least you didn't yell (at the top of your lungs) at your mother in law and call her a selfish 'b' word.

You can look at it this way perhaps Wildnoob -- at least your English is improving and that's no game!

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Originally posted by Manu-6S:

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Originally posted by tomco1965:
The worst server is Spits_vs_109s, which despite claiming to be a historical server, states right in it's briefs that you will be kicked or banned for attacking enemy airfields, and in fact I was kicked from it for shooting down an enemy aircraft just over his front line because he happened to be a squad-mate of the server administrator....yes, I have track.

No track needed.. I believe you...

This seems to correspond with what I *heard* about that server.
Good voice travels long time, bad gossip even further...
No pun intended of course.

In fact, the admins of most highly populated servers on HL tend to abuse their privileges a lot. They don't understand that it is us players that have made their servers popular. In those servers, if you shoot down the admins even only once, they will always find something on your side to complain about, such as you have lag spikes, your ping is too high. Some admins will immediately kick you from the server without any warning if you knock him down easily, like blowing them up. When you and your squadmates teamwork to control the air arround the enemy airfield where the admins and his friend respawn, they will find a reason to ban all your squad.

So, my advice is if you want to fly on these servers, the best choice is to donate some money to them, they won't dare enough to kick out or at least threat to kick out a donator. The second choice is to acquaint youself with the callsigns of the admins and their friends before take-off. Do not shoot them down constantly. If you accidently do, say sorry to them. You may want to do this fast, before they kick you out. But what I have seen is that most players chose to leave such servers and fly elsewhere. This may well explain why an once most notorious server has fell down to begging their players for money to keep the server open.

That sounds almost like a Red Orchestra server.
They usually only have bots, and if someone is silly enough to go onto that server, and hit a member of that server crew, it is a instant ban, no matter if the player followed the rules.

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Originally posted by Wildnoob:
Ok, I'll let the things clear here:

I just have confirmation it was simple a accident. The server in which it happen is no way like that, it is excellent and has excellent admins.

Thanks for saying that.

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Originally posted by jermin122:
In fact, the admins of most highly populated servers on HL tend to abuse their privileges a lot.

I've played on all sorts of servers (with all sorts of nicks), and I can honestly say I've not experienced this.
I've only ever been threatened with a kick once, that was on our server when I was drunk, grumpy, flying under a different name and I deserved it. That is it, in about four years of online play.

The servers I have played on at that time (arround 2006) are all full real or almost full real servers. I never played on arcade servers with open cockpit and external view allowed. That may be why you have no clues about what I said.

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Originally posted by jermin122:
The servers I have played on at that time (arround 2006) are all full real or almost full real servers. I never played on arcade servers with open cockpit and external view allowed. That may be why you have no clues about what I said.

I doubt even that is a reason... I tend to think that he didn't played that much online, or was just plain lucky or something else.

I play on various server settings and TBH mods/aminds on some particular arcadish servers tended to be even more abusive on their ruling.

Gosh I've missed this place.

jermin122, I honestly told you of my experience, and yes I said all sorts of servers not just 'arcade' servers, from 'full switch' to 'wonder woman'. Seeing how quick you where to make it personal with your snide dismissive comment, well I can't possibly see why you might get in trouble.

DKoor, yes that must be it! Please try telling my wife I didn't play much online. All I did was tell my experience, it doesn't line up with others here, does that mean I'm saying they are lying or plain wrong? No, of course not, just that we've had different experiences. Mind you, you could be right maybe I was 'just plain lucky' you also say 'something else' well when I see responses like jermin122s above I think that might well be the case.

To put this in perspective before it goes too silly, I'm sure there are 'bad' admins out there abusing their 'power' etc but I think this thread has got disproportionate. That is all I'm trying to say.

Mate I've been kicked for nothing.
I'm really the type of guy that doesn't disobey the rules nor anyone will complain that I use foul language or somehting that could put someone else in a discomfort position without reason.

I've seen people get kicked for no reason too.
It is very annoying, jeepers we aren't some children or teenagers that will allow some idiot with some silly power over our gaming to spoil our free time. I've said it, and I'll say it again... if one doesn't give respect he wont receive it... it is simple as that and we all know that.

BTW maybe you've been kicked too but you simple didn't paid enough attention to your server disconnection?
When I'm disconnected with action other than mine, I look at missionlog.txt (or whatever you named it) and look for a line "Dkoor has been kicked by XY" or something like that (can't recall exactly, but it will show). That will show you for sure whether you've been kicked or not.
As most of the times they'll kick you and say nothing.

I can PM you a track with one such event so see for yourself... don't want to drag it around here.

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Originally posted by DKoor:
Mate I've been kicked for nothing.
I'm really the type of guy that doesn't disobey the rules nor anyone will complain that I use foul language or somehting that could put someone else in a discomfort position without reason.

I've seen people get kicked for no reason too.
It is very annoying, jeepers we aren't some children or teenagers that will allow some idiot with some silly power over our gaming to spoil our free time. I've said it, and I'll say it again... if one doesn't give respect he wont receive it... it is simple as that and we all know that.

BTW maybe you've been kicked too but you simple didn't paid enough attention to your server disconnection?
When I'm disconnected with action other than mine, I look at missionlog.txt (or whatever you named it) and look for a line "Dkoor has been kicked by XY" or something like that (can't recall exactly, but it will show). That will show you for sure whether you've been kicked or not.
As most of the times they'll kick you and say nothing.

I can PM you a track with one such event so see for yourself... don't want to drag it around here.

Fair enough, that's your experience. I've never suggested other wise, so why can't you except that I've had different experiences. Even in this resopnse we get,

"BTW maybe you've been kicked too but you simple didn't paid enough attention to your server disconnection?"

Which could be interpreted in certain ways that I shall choose not to.

The only reason I've got dragged in to this current 'debate' is that I feel this thread was giving an unbalanced and distorted view of the online il2 experience.

So I gave my experience, now I do have to qualify, these days I mainly play on our servers and mainly with my admin tags so sure I'm going to see a different world (mainly but not exclusively). But to read some of the comments here one could almost get the impression that every server is full of overexcited teenage youths kicking left right and centre for no reason, I don't believe that is the case. Although I'm sure there are exceptions.

What I only fail to understand is the hostile tone.

I don't know what else to write, I'm under impression that if write "there is raining outside" someone here will create some nice... interpretation of my words. It happens all the time.

Jesus people.

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Originally posted by DKoor:
What I only fail to understand is the hostile tone.

I don't know what else to write, I'm under impression that if write "there is raining outside" someone here will create some nice... interpretation of my words. It happens all the time.

Jesus people.

Hostile tone? Maybe I'm just being a sensitive little flower but in this thread my arguments have been called lame, I've been described as clueless, you yourself have simply been dismissive with 'I tend to think that he didn't played that much online' and 'you simple didn't paid enough attention'. All in all think I've taken things in fair humour TBH. But no, hostile you say.

And who are these Jesus people of which you speak? Are they half Jesus and half people? If so which halves? And most importantly, do they ride on bicycles?