Ok, it's an unload.

I am not radical against the arcade mode like many people. I even enjoy it a lot, but the full real mode is really what I give priority.

I was flying in a historic server now which has a policy of not have nothing against my action, in a mission early in USSR campaing. Very nice, historic planeset and rules for use correct markings are enforced.

There was a Mig attacking our airfield. I quickly manage to scramble and by a near miss one of the bombs he dropped didn't hit my BF-109. But he manage to destroy several other human aircraft on the ground.

I start to pursuit him and by some time he manage to outrun me. He was flying towards the Soviet front line. Them I manage to close up, entered in a mock dogfigth and and smoke his engine. I break off and circle from above watching he apparently go down.

He wasn't even near an airfield and make a forced landing.

But I made the mistake of interpret the situation like was the RL. Because many times I get immersed in the sim like was flying in RL.

I decided to destroy his plane to avoid recovery. And strafe it.

The problem is the pilot was an adminstator and ask me if: "I'd like to get kicked?".

I don't understand rules like that in a sim mode, despite in my case it was an incident I'm sick to face this kind hypocrisy online. Because many servers adopt it.

Probably he was trying to have the message "Player X lands on the field".

With sure this is a very controversy subject. Shoot planes on the ground, landing, etc.

But the guy started to threat me because he decided to make a forced landing in the middle of the map and I destroyed his plane is just too much for me.

The arcade hypocrisy online as reach a level I simple can't belive.

Something like: "Now, I've take a few rounds from the enemy and gonna use the rules in my favor, put my wheels down, land in the middle of nothing, refly and gonna start to cry complaing because 'the rules don't allow this' if my pursuiter shoot me". Simple ridiculous to me.

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being honest to you here:

I actually take more of his point than yours.

Flyinfg full real doesnt mean to do everething do way mend did back then. getting the kill is not getting the message "enemy A/C destroyed" or being granted the 100 points. getting the kill is more or less telling your opnent not to mess with you. if he lands on a field he poses no theread to you so you "got him". if flying high altitude and he dives for is homebase after a coupel of shotsd and maybe a smoked engine, dont botter following him. he is off and he lost the battle.

shoting a crashlanded plane does not prove you to be a good pilot bu the fact you forced him to land is aircraft behind enemy lines without returning to the Airfiled does.

Then again, i understood waht you meant but try seeing things the way i do and pheraps you will be getting more kills than those you tought you did at first.

cheers amte and keep up the full real hunting!

I understand your sentiments, Wildnoob, I really do, but keep in mind that this is a GAME. People play it to have fun. While I recognize that your definition of fun is playing RL to the max, please keep in mind that not everyone has that same goal. We need to respect each other's ideas of what it means to be fun.

You already got the kill by forcing him down. Since this is a game, was it really necessary to rain on his parade?

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Originally posted by pupo162:
being honest to you here:

I actually take more of his point than yours.

Flyinfg full real doesnt mean to do everething do way mend did back then. getting the kill is not getting the message "enemy A/C destroyed" or being granted the 100 points. getting the kill is more or less telling your opnent not to mess with you. if he lands on a field he poses no theread to you so you "got him". if flying high altitude and he dives for is homebase after a coupel of shotsd and maybe a smoked engine, dont botter following him. he is off and he lost the battle.

shoting a crashlanded plane does not prove you to be a good pilot bu the fact you forced him to land is aircraft behind enemy lines without returning to the Airfiled does.

Then again, i understood waht you meant but try seeing things the way i do and pheraps you will be getting more kills than those you tought you did at first.

cheers amte and keep up the full real hunting!

Thanks!

Well, I was a little mad when create this tread. Probably exaggerated by doing it.

Yeah, I don't care about score, never care for that.

The point I want get is there are many people who do this to take advantage of the rule. Like the message "lands on the field".

We have a rule in the 78th*Sentai our code of conduct VERY strict and above all else what defines us as a regiment.

If you ditch, even at a base, to even botch up a landing....You should instantly "bail out" even if the aircraft is fine (like ran out of fuel with no hits), and if hit by someone else before hand "Salute" them whether it scores a kill for them or not (aircraft just sitting there).

What is done after by that opponent of no consequence (though a waste of bullets to keep shooting a downed aircraft, that their perogative it of no matter to us).....and the only time we will say something is if someone other then the opponent that forced you down tries strafing the aircraft to steal the kill.

Take from that what you will.

K2

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Originally posted by Boosher:
We need to respect each other's ideas of what it means to be fun.

I respect, all the way respect.

I was caugth by surprise. I knew about shoot planes on airfields, but that was another case, the enemy wasn't apparently badly damaged apart from the engine, could over landing intact and the effort for my team would be useless.

It's not the score system only, it is question of wipe out enemy forces, and this should account I belive.

But ok, I was taking things too much seriosly, recognized my mistake.

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Originally posted by LEBillfish:
We have a rule in the 78th*Sentai our code of conduct VERY strict and above all else what defines us as a regiment.

If you ditch, even at a base, to even botch up a landing....You should instantly "bail out" even if the aircraft is fine (like ran out of fuel with no hits), and if hit by someone else before hand "Salute" them whether it scores a kill for them or not (aircraft just sitting there).

What is done after by that opponent of no consequence (though a waste of bullets to keep shooting a downed aircraft, that their perogative it of no matter to us).....and the only time we will say something is if someone other then the opponent that forced you down tries strafing the aircraft to steal the kill.

Take from that what you will.

K2

Interesting.

I never aim for the pilot in cases like this, just the engine to destroy the plane.

That is almost as bad as shooting at chutes.
If he bails out on your side of the lines, he will be a prisoner.
Full real does not mean automatically let it all out.

THAT is one of the main problems with onwhine flying, saying that the server is "Historical" or "Full Real" and then complain when some one strafes (not vulching kiddies) a airfield or a landed plane. That has always bugged me with the onwhine part of the game.

I know it is only a "game", but it is a "game" of war, you know, killing your enemy?

This talk about "Honor" and such BS is really funny.

Phillip

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Originally posted by RSS-Martin:
That is almost as bad as shooting at chutes.
If he bails out on your side of the lines, he will be a prisoner.
Full real does not mean automatically let it all out.

Don't agree.

My goal is not kill the pilot. I'm not a cold killer even in a game. It is just destroy the plane to avoid be used again by the enemy.

If he was at my front line I wouldn't spent ammo with him, but was already into their one.

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Originally posted by Phillip58:
THAT is one of the main problems with onwhine flying, saying that the server is "Historical" or "Full Real" and then complain when some one strafes (not vulching kiddies) a airfield or a landed plane. That has always bugged me with the onwhine part of the game.

I know it is only a "game", but it is a "game" of war, you know, killing your enemy?

This talk about "Honor" and such BS is really funny.

Phillip

Yeah right....if the maps where set like in RL you would not get near the enemy base but be blown out of the sky due to flak batteries.

Let alone interceptors sent up to get you.
It is always easy just seeing your part of the picture, but there are always two sides.

Also if it where realistic there would be no refly unless you land or bail on your side of the lines.

I would give it a little thought before you wish for something that someone might grant you.

If you think online is only for whiners, well who ever is happy with those AI nerds.....needs no further comments.

Hmmmm.

I would have shot him again on principle.

Then hunted him the entire session. What a child.

Rules about not shooting planes on the ground are as silly as the monster ego admins who enforce them.

Playing a combat simulation with rules from a sporting match makes no sense.

It's war, deal with it.

I don't wanth change the people opinions to what I think is correct. No way!

You can shoot plane as soon as it leaves the ground. I manage to dodge him as soon as I was airborne, because just a few seconds before I've raise my gear he tried to shoot me.

This is not a pro vulch comment or anything, but you can do this, drop bombs and rockets at ground planes but cannot by no way strafe an enemy plane after he decided to make a forced landing, even virtually intact at their front line to avoid the plane being used again.

This is the point I stay confuse.

But ok, I respect them, respect all servers like that, gonna be very careful now.

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Originally posted by RSS-Martin:

quote:

Originally posted by Phillip58:
THAT is one of the main problems with onwhine flying, saying that the server is "Historical" or "Full Real" and then complain when some one strafes (not vulching kiddies) a airfield or a landed plane. That has always bugged me with the onwhine part of the game.

I know it is only a "game", but it is a "game" of war, you know, killing your enemy?

This talk about "Honor" and such BS is really funny.

Phillip

Yeah right....if the maps where set like in RL you would not get near the enemy base but be blown out of the sky due to flak batteries.

Let alone interceptors sent up to get you.
It is always easy just seeing your part of the picture, but there are always two sides.

Also if it where realistic there would be no refly unless you land or bail on your side of the lines.

I would give it a little thought before you wish for something that someone might grant you.

If you think online is only for whiners, well who ever is happy with those AI nerds.....needs no further comments.

I like servers with flak and the such. Interceptors? Man this game is usually "Lone Wolf-Airquake" style. That is due to the scoring system. Tell someone to guard the base and guess what? They laugh at you. Maybe on squad co-ops, but not on public DF servers. Maybe if the whole team got the points, the point-hoes would die and the game would much mor interesting.

Face it, it nuthin but who has the biggest Johnson (points) and nuthin else. Team work? Getting the mission done? Maybe, just maybe on a closed squad co-op server, but never on a public DF one.

Like you said........... needs no further comments.

Phillip

No use to waste ammo, time, fuel or your situational awareness into shooting planes that are already down/going down/of no threat. When you've shot the crap out of someone, irrigardless of wether he died or bailed, or is still flying without no hope of getting home or being any kind of a threat anymore, stop it. You will risk getting surprised, getting a high-E bandit over you etc. Besides its always good to have ammo with you. Greed kills.

As far as the rules go, best to make sure you know all the rules of a server before flying. However, if that rule isn't included then I would think he's fair game.

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Originally posted by RSS-Martin:
If you think online is only for whiners, well who ever is happy with those AI nerds.....needs no further comments.

Oh? I'd like to hear the comment, please. I like both offline and online, btw, so I'd really like to hear what you think of people that fly offline.

Rules like "no shooting landing aircraft/aircraft with lights on" or "no vulching" or "no chute shooting" or "no going near enemy bases" or anything of that nature are for crybabies and sissies.

Don't want to get shot? Go play X-plane or MS Flight Simulator.

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Originally posted by crucislancer:
As far as the rules go, best to make sure you know all the rules of a server before flying.

Yeah, I read all of them now, and was very surprise:





Not the server's fault I guess, but from some kid with moderation power who didn't accept what happened with him and probably has try play the game of "mine is bigger then yours" using abuse of power to intimated me.

It is war kill him.

In servers that allow this, I still would try finish the plane.

Why?

Some people saied here: "don't spent ammo".

I've spent a lot of ammo with that guy, and could spent with anyone else.

Now let's say I used much of my ammunition against a target, manage to damage it, but just a little. Then he tries a forced landing. If I let him land on their front all the ammo I've spent previously would be in vain. usuless. I loose time, I loose ammo and I didn't manage to destroy the enemy plane. By landing undamaged his team would not loose a single aircraft.

And how stay my situation if the kids started to take advantage of a rule like this?

Like vulching being not allowed, but from many players if your wheels are 1 mm above the ground you are already a target. This is the most ridiculous and common example.

If I already spent a lot of ammo with my enemy, I gonna finish him off, gonna destroy him so the plane could not be used anymore.