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FW's are better than 109's. Do-335 is better than FW. But wait! There's 262's!
Tempest is not better than Spit by late war? Sig: My views are my own. You don't like em, get in line. |
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Definitely not at high altitude.
And not in a dogfight... An accidental encounter, but a telling one none-the-less, Israeli Spitfire LF IX's vs RAF post war Tempests F6's...1948 'The Israelis banked right and made an attack. On the first pass, Schroeder knocked a Tempest out of the sky - the RAF airplane had gone out of control and spun in, the pilot, F/O David Crossley Tattersfield, probably killed in the initial attack. A furball ensued, in which the more nimble Spitfire LF 9s of the Israelis could outfight the heavier and faster RAF Tempests. Weizman hit one Tempest with a long burst and his companions damaged two others, but they, like the rest of the RAF aircraft there and below, quit the combat and outran the Israelis. Weizman's target landed safely at Al Arish.' Obviously the RAf were not expecting to be attacked by Spitfires, nor at all. But still an interesting account. -------------------------------------------------------------  "Over Dieppe, the wing was immediately bounced by a hundred FW 190s and a few Me 109s. I heard Johnson effing and blinding as he broke 610 into a fierce attack. I was hard at it dodging 190s, but I found time to speak sharply to Johnson about his foul language." - WingCo Jaime Jameson 12 Group Spitfire |
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I think the best of all is the Modder Fokker.
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???? Confused....if those eyes are reffering to my post? EDIT: Never mind, I guess I was being a bit thick when I thought you were referring to my post, lol.  ------------------------------------------------------------- "Over Dieppe, the wing was immediately bounced by a hundred FW 190s and a few Me 109s. I heard Johnson effing and blinding as he broke 610 into a fierce attack. I was hard at it dodging 190s, but I found time to speak sharply to Johnson about his foul language." - WingCo Jaime Jameson 12 Group Spitfire |
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Well you have to remember galland flew 109s, the 109 didn't have a roll advantage over spitfires more the reverse. A plane that can roll but not turn is not manoverable as is a plane that can turn but not roll like the Typhoon. |
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Yeah, a broad statement I generally agree on. However, it depends on what kind of advantage plane 1 has in roll over plane 2, and what kind of advantage in turn plane 2 has over plane 1. Excellent example of this is Fw190A3 vs SpitV - Fw190 having worse turn performance, but markedly superior roll. This IMO made it generally the more maneouverable aircraft of the two. Brits didn't clip the wings on the spit just for fun. I think the definition of the term "maneouverability" is the core of the problem in this and similar threads. No one in sane mind ever turns when he has any other option. ~ DKoor |
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JtD:
What about the A6M? That was a full war production aircraft... I guess you could argue greatly reduced capability toward the end of the conflict? The P-38 was another full war production (well for the duration of US involvement, anyway); and it was far more versitile than the A6M. Certainly if you take that view (over entire conflict), the P-51 crowd doesn't have a leg to stand on. Nothing like introducing an aircraft that is form built for a particular high profile task after the tide of battle has already been turned by other, less noted, types. "Blub, blub, blub, one carrier turned into a sub." Special Forces operator in a Dale Brown book. |
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The A6M was not a great combat plane, not even in its best versions. And, as you already said, from 1943 on it was outclassed by other planes.
The P-38 is indeed a different breed, but I wouldn't rank it as highly as a Spitfire for cost and complexity of production, maintenance and operation. It also wasn't adopted for carrier operations. If you were to reduce the timeframe to the US participation, other types qualify as well, such as the Fw 190, the LaGG-3/La, Yak-1,-3,-7,-9 family aqnd possibly even the Typhoon. But I was thinking of 1939-1945, and then there are only the Spit and the 109 left. |
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A couple of RL pilots might wanna disagree.  |
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The P-38 had good lift and could be used as a level bomber and pathfinder, but the it is crossing over into light bomber territory. Oddly it was never really adapted into an effective nightfighter. The Spit does hold the record for the highest WW2 interception, though. |
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