wouldnt want it, throws off the aiming. best defense is the situational awareness. if i wanted a rumble pad id prefer to have one to sit on rather than vibrate my hands.

I would buy one tomorrow if it was available

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Originally posted by Yskonyn23:

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Originally posted by rnzoli:

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Originally posted by Yskonyn23:
If however, game programmers (and of course stick manufacturers) can come up with realistic FFB effects

Of course? This is totally up to the game programmers, nobody else. A multi-axis FFB HOTAS will act as multiple channel for FFB signal, it's only up to the game designers, how they utilize the separate FFB effect channels for the stick, pedals, seat.

Sure, but I meant that even if the game devs have made some cool code for FFB effects, you still need a stick with (enough) FFB-motors to translate that to realistic feeling.

You are right about that one, but even today, you can connect 2 or 3 FFB-capable HIDs to your PC easily (imagine 1 FFB stick, 1 home-made FFB pedal, 1 Buttkicker), but it is impossible to tell IL-2 to send the speed dependent stick forces to your FFB stick and pedals, and send the turbulence and vibration to your buttkicker seat). So these days the action point is clearly on the game developers to design their software with this multi-channel FFB setup in mind...! The multi-channel FFB HW is reality already

I honestly wouldn't buy it - I have a UBER II NXT modded Cougar and pedals and have no interest in anything less than that (that Spitfire hotas looks pretty darned cool )...

Now

If Saitek could raise the bar - and quality of their HOTAS in the FFB model AND get rid of the plasticky feel... i.e. no creaks, wiggles etc., and felt SOLID, plus incredible gimbals (to be fair, I've felt the x52 PRO and it is a step up, I thought it felt far better than the X52 stock), I would consider it.

They'd just need to raise the bar - but this would really narrow the market to the gamer with a big budget, which I know most of ya'll don't have.

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Originally posted by Stackhouse25th:
wouldnt want it, throws off the aiming. best defense is the situational awareness. if i wanted a rumble pad id prefer to have one to sit on rather than vibrate my hands.

You disgusting?

Anyway, this is a myth. FFB doesn't throw your aim from the ranges you need to fire efficiently anyway (<500m). Sure you have to grab the hold the stick steady though, but this is kinda obvious also when you make a 750 km/h dive and the stick stiffens up.

I agree though that airframe vibration should be channelled to a buttkicker, not the flight stick. But something tells me that people like you would come back and complain even in that case saying "my vibrating seat is throwing off my aim, because i can't see the steady screen sharp enough and moves my body too, so i can't hold steady on my non-FFB stick either"

If FFB is not your cup of tea, fine, we're still friends. But please refrain from trying to pee into other people's tea.

If they made a hotas to the same quality as the Sidewinder FFB then they would be onto a winner.

I would not be able to resist buying it.

Have 5 MSFFB sticks, two w box seals still unbroken, stocked up because of you know what.

Two have already gone thru repairs to keep the life in them.

Be a while before I need new ffb sticks.

MAD

Funny, I was just thinking this morning how nice it would be to have FFB in my CH gear! I would be interested, except that I'm fiercely loyal to CH and have seen no reason to switch. However, if Saitek were the only ones to offer FFB HOTAS, I would be desperately torn. Thing is CH is showing no sign of updating their product offering.

Great idea Bearcat!

Check this http://www.twitchguru.com/2007/05/10/the_death_of_the_joystick/

The lack of FFB is the only reason I haven't bought an X52 Pro. Like Bearcat I currently use a combination of an X45 throttle with an MS FFB Sidewinder, although I use the older model as I prefer the layout of the buttons on the top.

When the MS stick finally kicks the bucket, I'll be buying a duplicate from ebay (unless some forward thinking company comes up with a new FFB HOTAS in the meantime).
Cheers,
DD

+1 to the thread

Yes as I had mentioned on SimHQ I would definitely buy something like this. So long its a quality product that is'nt gimmicky.

HitchHikingFlatlander

Simple Bear

You give it a Bump every time you see it getting ready to fall off the front page.

Once someone makes a reply, You as an interested, Thread propogater , and Moderator.

Goes back into thread and deletes the Bump you made, so it looks like it is staying up front due to overwhelming Interest, rather than your salemenship.

People will see it and notice it better than a stiky, Look at how much good stuff is already stikied and how often it is answered down below, or directed too from below.

Other than that I think it's a great thread.

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Well putting it up here as a Sticky will only get it over looked to be honest.
I only found it due to someone sending it to me via MSN.
I still use my X-45 and MFFB combo and will till some other system comes along better, or I can't get this combo to work with OS or Games available.

Rgr.. Like I do.... and under the same situation... how would you recomend that I havbe posted this if not a sticky? Just curious...

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Over 1000 views..... 44 replies.... 83 hits....

Huh? 20-to-1 views-to-replies is pretty standard for this board. Look at nearly any other thread, even popular ones. I think it's going just fine

* _54th_Speeder *

OK..., so Ill be quiet.... it still looks odd to me though considering the subject and title of the thread....

x 45 here 3 x52's and two cougars, but one cougar should be going preeeety soon

Been a Saitek customer since the X52, and I have liked the sticks and the customer service. If I had a shot at a FFB X52, I would buy it as soon as availible.

Tell dude I said:

Don't screw up and make a gimmicky stick. If you're going to do something, DO IT RIGHT. Make it strong. Make it sturdy. Build it like a tank and make it accurate. Make the best damned stick ever and leave out all the stupid whiz-bangs. The Saitek product offering already has plenty of newb-attractant.

Everyone understands it: when you can afford better, you buy CH. Saitek should take the leap into the high-end.

BUT....

They damned well better cut their FFB teeth on something cheap first.

The wife would be "WTF are you doing? You already have that monstrosity on the desk now,..whats wrong with it?" (I have an X52 now)

"Nothing,..but this one ,..vibrates"

In other words,.I would be in a lot of trouble if saitek made a FFB.

There is a big gap in the market that Saitek could fill with abit of thought,their x52 range is great and with the x52 pro just out they have shown they are more than capable of making top quality joysticks.Just need to make the next step to a sure fire winner.

And also considering that in addition to SoW, enthusiasts who are looking forward to KotS may be willing to part with some cash to enhance their flying realism, FFB HOTAS would be the ideal.

No one as of yet has ventured into this ideal (for some). I had seen where one company had developed a driver's wheel and pedals that include a clutch pedal. Tho I like driving sims, my real enthusiasm is toward flying simulations.

It would be great at some point to have the gentleman from Saitek weigh in on this here (or at least to Bearcat privately,) and let us know how this topic is being received at Corporate.

I also had 2 MS FFB's and now doing with a X45 my aim and control has worsened since than.

I realy wish a company could mix the good things in a worthy HOTAS.

cheers