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Are they basicly the same? Witch one is more advanced and well, better?
Thanks. P.S. I found a good plane for me. Its the IL-2. The fighter version. I am going to make an all-black on with the logo in my sig. But I can't find a good template. Very owlish plane.   Being British is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub for a Belgian beer, then grabbing an Indian curry or a Turkish kebab on the way home, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. |
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Absolutely not. The F-86 represents a much farther advanced design than the YP-80. True, they were used concurrently in service and both represented big steps forward in American fighter design, but the F-86, I would argue, is a generation or more ahead of the P-80.
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As Boosher said, the F86 is streets ahead of the P80.
The P80 used a varaiation of the first generation of the British Jet engine and straight wing design. The F86 was swept winged and used a much improved version of the Jet engine. It was a far superior design. It incorporated much of the captured German technology gained after WW2. As for the representation in the sim, I am not sure, but the F86 should be quite a bit better in all but sustained turn rate. (possibly even better in sustained turn too if the F86 used leading edge slats, but I am not sure if it did or not?) -------------------------------------------------------------  "Over Dieppe, the wing was immediately bounced by a hundred FW 190s and a few Me 109s. I heard Johnson effing and blinding as he broke 610 into a fierce attack. I was hard at it dodging 190s, but I found time to speak sharply to Johnson about his foul language." - WingCo Jaime Jameson 12 Group Spitfire |
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IL-2 the fighter version hehe
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How does the F-86 compare to the Ta-183 then?
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F-86 Much better then Ta-183. 200-300 km faster methinks...
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The Il-2 I prototype. |
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Dident know about that one, thanks . From wikipedia: Il-2IArmoured fighter, prototype only. Conception based on the several dogfights which Il-2 started against Luftwaffe bombers. Proved non-perspective due to only old Luftwaffe bombers could be caught by it. |
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Who said owls were fast?  Owls are large, slow, hard-gitting stealthful birds. Being British is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub for a Belgian beer, then grabbing an Indian curry or a Turkish kebab on the way home, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. |
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eny one knwo of good warfilms whit F-86? I just found out about this: The Hunters (1958) whit Robert Mitchum.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...z9Ng&feature=related |
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Is the MiG-9 or the Ta-183 or the He-162 a match for the F-86? It says the Ta-183 is:
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No, the F86 is a second generation jet fighter, all the others you mentioned are first generation.
The mig 15 is what the f86 went up against, another second generation jet fighter, and they both have there strengths and close enough that the pilot and tactics will win. Ta-183 didnt exist. at least not like in game.  U___1)Nazi Germany built all the best things and won teh war. B___2)The USA built all the best things and won teh war. I___3)Everyone else was cannon fodder  |
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Does that mean the Ta-183 was a 2nd generation if it was to replace planes? Being British is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub for a Belgian beer, then grabbing an Indian curry or a Turkish kebab on the way home, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. |
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Also we're talking about one aircraft (F-86) that was a mature combat tested aircraft that went through the prototype and then full production phase versus something that was sketched and designed out and was later found to have some serious design flaws that would have prevented it from flying successfully in its initial configuration. Had aviation in Germany progressed into the late 1940s and early 1950s then certainly the Ta-183 could have morphed into something successful or something similar would have. But if we just compare the sketched out drawing of a Ta183 versus a F-86... there's just such a gap in all respects. Didn't the design go on to inspire a somewhat average Argentinian jet fighter? |
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Actually the Ta-183 design was used as the starting basis of and evolved into the Mig 15.
Allies were not the only one to use captured German technology and German engineers! "The FW-190 is a small aircraft period. It flys like its huge, It hits like its huge but in dimensions its tiny. Goering didnt call it his deadly horse fly for nothing"-Me |
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Okay then. Whats the closest thing we have in IL2 that is a jet and is closest by advancedness and performance?
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was it? they both a superficial resemblance, due to both having swep wings, apart from the visual element they are completly different. Without doubt the soviets benifited from german tech, with regards to swep wing design, but just because the ta183 had swept wings, dosen't mean that the mig 15 was based on it. U___1)Nazi Germany built all the best things and won teh war. B___2)The USA built all the best things and won teh war. I___3)Everyone else was cannon fodder |
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mig 15, which is what it went up against in korea. U___1)Nazi Germany built all the best things and won teh war. B___2)The USA built all the best things and won teh war. I___3)Everyone else was cannon fodder |
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Compared to the F-86 In IL2 Being British is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub for a Belgian beer, then grabbing an Indian curry or a Turkish kebab on the way home, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a Japanese TV. |
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err, the mig 15, see here,
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...3110283/m/1441020797 U___1)Nazi Germany built all the best things and won teh war. B___2)The USA built all the best things and won teh war. I___3)Everyone else was cannon fodder |
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