So since we can talk about this stuff but not link to it, how does everyone feel about this new Unified installer? I like a lot of things about it but still only about half of it. The best things are the little tweaks and of course more aircraft to choose from. The sounds are the best part in my mind, gotta love those!!

On my bad list is the fact you get a lot of stuff you may not want thrown in. But you can, with a little search through the stuff, eliminate what you don't like, so this is a small bother. I notice how there are so many new and supposedly improved cockpits. This is a personal type of choice but I for one never thought any of the original cockpits were so bad, not even the P-47 or FW-190 so many have whined about for so long. I do think some of them are actually worse, for example the I-16 pit looks a bit more weathered and used but I can't read it nearly as well. So it has to go. The old pit looked fine. Still a lot of pits that are other planes pit put in another plane to make it flyable. This is passable with some planes but an absolute horror for many others. Some are so bad I will not fly them at all. One day someone will make original pits for all of the planes. We can only hope at least.

The F9F Panther is mostly great but on the dimmer side it has too much power, making it easier to dogfight with than the real thing, most likely. The engine is so over-powered that you can get the wings to rip off in level flight as it gets over 1000 Kph easily near the ground. Try it if you don't believe me. While the P-80 only gets up to about 880 Kph, which is about as fast as the Panther should go, if that. Also hard to find a place for it in WWII but we can say that about most of the '46 planes too. It's fun to fly, I just limit the throttle to 85 to 88% which I find to be about right for it.

Overall, I like it more than I used to so I will keep this version on my drive and fly some of the more passable and believable planes that you can't fly any other way. I give it a 6 out of 10 but I'm thinking it will get better for me. A year ago I was at about a 4 out of 10 so that means something.

What do you think?? I'm interested in what others say and so will a lot of other people.

New fifties on new P-38/51s ftw. API loadout and no strange HE bullets anymore.

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Originally posted by TinyTim:
New fifties on new P-38/51s ftw. API loadout and no strange HE bullets anymore.

Yeah, I'm already flying the P-38F and G's in New Guinea, this alone is worth it for me. I gave my rating one extra star just due to the new P-38's added.

I just notice that when I try to start a Dgen career a lot of the words for the choices are in Russian!! This may be a problem.

quote:

Originally posted by mortoma:
I gave my rating one extra star just due to the new P-38's added.

Your welcome. BTW, IBTL.

I was a little underwhelmed that simple fixes that people have been asking for for months didn't get in.

The russian name fix being one of them. UI is supposed to be for laypersons who are not mod savvy, and yet it requires the user to go running around to fix the cyrillic map names and whatnot. I seem to recall hearing about an incorrect all.ini as well.

Furthermore, they STILL have not implemented any sort of version control which is disappointing. CRT is not flexible enough and there needs to be a viable alternative.

Lastly, my opinion is that there is too much bloat. IMO things like cockpit repaints and basically anything that doesn't include a class file should not be included in the UI, to save download time and file size. Apply the KISS principle and include only the files that people NEED. Cosmetic things like repaints and flushy's cloud mod can be made separate downloads.

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Originally posted by mortoma:
I just notice that when I try to start a Dgen career a lot of the words for the choices are in Russian!! This may be a problem.

There's a fix, bt obviously we can't talk about that here.

Oh, and no lock forthcoming so far, nothing wrong with reasonable discussion.

The B25 J22 NA straffer, with 12 forward firing .50 Brownings, and HVARS is quite fun.

Salute

Great work by a lot of dedicated people, however...

Lots of German planes which either never flew or of which only one or two flew included.

For example,

109G10C3: There is barely any proof that a K4C3 flew operationally, let alone a G10.

190D11 and D13: How many of these flew? Not many.

On the other hand, no 1.30ata 109G2. This was the standard G2 flown by the Luftwaffe when introduced. The one in the game is modelled on the Finnish G2 at 1.42 ata. Would be nice to see the 1.30 ata version for the Desert battles and Kanalkampf.

And the FM's of some of these new 109's are wildly speculative.

Compare the turnrate of the Oleg approved 109G6AS with the new G6ASN for example.

And the turnrate of the Spit XIVc seems quite off, its low speed turnrate is not accurate. The AAA mod has it handily being outturned by the 109G2.

What did real tests show?

From the AFDU trials against G2:

Turning Circle
47. The Spitfire XIV easily out-turns the Me.109G in either direction.

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Originally posted by Buzzsaw-:
And the turnrate of the Spit XIVc seems quite off, its low speed turnrate is not accurate. The AAA mod has it handily being outturned by the 109G2.

What did real tests show?

From the AFDU trials against G2:

Turning Circle
47. The Spitfire XIV easily out-turns the Me.109G in either direction.

Nooooooo!

What am I to do now? I can't fly like Biggles in the knowledge the Hun must run every time we meet. I refuse to be outturned and its not British to extend

Are you sure its a XIV v a 42' G2 at 1.42ata that we have ingame?
Can you link it please?

Looks like buzzsaw is quoting this test:

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit14afdu.html

I've read through it and the 109 is only referred to as an "Me.109G" and the specific model is never mentioned. Moreover it doesn't mention at what altitude(s) the turn tests were conducted.

The p38 with 2 torps is just brilliant
the 50cals were were porked, now they are beefed up

For me the UI is full of stuff I don't need,and unfortunately,with servers using it and CRT=2,people are forced to use it 'as is'.
I personally use a light modpack that loads as fast as the standard game.
And of course,we are now on official 409,yet the UI is still for the beta!

quote:

Originally posted by na85:
I was a little underwhelmed that simple fixes that people have been asking for for months didn't get in.

The russian name fix being one of them. UI is supposed to be for laypersons who are not mod savvy, and yet it requires the user to go running around to fix the cyrillic map names and whatnot. I seem to recall hearing about an incorrect all.ini as well.

Furthermore, they STILL have not implemented any sort of version control which is disappointing. CRT is not flexible enough and there needs to be a viable alternative.

Lastly, my opinion is that there is too much bloat. IMO things like cockpit repaints and basically anything that doesn't include a class file should not be included in the UI, to save download time and file size. Apply the KISS principle and include only the files that people NEED. Cosmetic things like repaints and flushy's cloud mod can be made separate downloads.

Hi na85,

PM for you.

I got a less weathered mod cockpit for the I-16 at my site if youre interested.

I like parts of it.. I am in the process of streamlining my mods.. I also felt tat the original cockpits were not that bad.. I like the API 50s.. I like the new sounds.. and of course the new Mustangs..

I dont know why so many are having issues.. I have my switcher set to go from 4.08m to 4.09mM (I basically only use 4.09m, 4.09b1mM & 4.09mM) with no problems that I have seen so far.. by disabling one mod in particular I can join whatever 4.09m or 4.09b1m server I want to. I also had to go through a process in the QMB to get it to work right in 4.09mM.. but once I did that it was fine. I haven't tried to run a a campaign yet..

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Originally posted by Buzzsaw-:
And the FM's of some of these new 109's are wildly speculative.

Compare the turnrate of the Oleg approved 109G6AS with the new G6ASN for example.

I've made all the flight models for these new Bf109s and the above just shows how little you know about them. You are comparing apples and oranges.

The Oleg "approved" version is a fantasy aircraft, not matching performance of any Bf109 variant I can think of. It is NOT a G-6/AS (DB605AS) and NOT a G-14/AS (DB605ASM)

The Bf109G-6/ASN on the other hand now is a TRUE G-6/AS meaning that it is simply a G-6 airframe mated with a DB605AS engine of 1435PS featuring the larger DB603 supercharger. Because of a slightly higher takeoff weight and slightly less engine power at takeoff (due to the bigger SC) its performance is inferior to the one of the ordinary G-6 at low and medium altitudes but greatly superior at high altitudes (>7000m).

Of course the G-6/ASN turns better than your "approved" G-6/AS, it doesnt have MW-50 and is over 150kg lighter!

Topspeed both on the deck and at altitude is spot on (510km/h at 0m and 665km/h at 8800m) so I dont know where you are coming from with your wild exagerations.

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And the turnrate of the Spit XIVc seems quite off, its low speed turnrate is not accurate. The AAA mod has it handily being outturned by the 109G2.

What did real tests show?

From the AFDU trials against G2:

Turning Circle
47. The Spitfire XIV easily out-turns the Me.109G in either direction.

LOL is this of the same calibre as the 109E test where the report said "the 109 was embarassed by its slats opening up in tight turns? Honestly I dont trust these British reports one bit as far as maneuverability is concerned

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Originally posted by Buzzsaw-:
Salute

Great work by a lot of dedicated people, however...

Lots of German planes which either never flew or of which only one or two flew included.

For example,

109G10C3: There is barely any proof that a K4C3 flew operationally, let alone a G10.

190D11 and D13: How many of these flew? Not many.

On the other hand, no 1.30ata 109G2. This was the standard G2 flown by the Luftwaffe when introduced. The one in the game is modelled on the Finnish G2 at 1.42 ata. Would be nice to see the 1.30 ata version for the Desert battles and Kanalkampf.

And the FM's of some of these new 109's are wildly speculative.

Compare the turnrate of the Oleg approved 109G6AS with the new G6ASN for example.

And the turnrate of the Spit XIVc seems quite off, its low speed turnrate is not accurate. The AAA mod has it handily being outturned by the 109G2.

What did real tests show?

From the AFDU trials against G2:

Turning Circle
47. The Spitfire XIV easily out-turns the Me.109G in either direction.

Buzzsaw UI Pack is not the only one on the earth. I found many time ago that performance and FM of AAA new planes are far from accurate.

They made their D-11&D-13 way to fast, not overheting egnines etc, Tempest 11&13lbs with speed 760 km/h at high altutitde, Fw 190 A-3 lighter at 400kg and many other things.

If You looked much more accurate performanace i suggest you to check Ultr@Pack Addon.

Im go with Ultr@Pack. Soon will be relased 1.8 version based over 4.09. It would inculded added as new ones Western Front planes with corrected performance and FM for more accurate and historical data:


There are made for now:

Fw 190 A series ( A-2, A-3, A-4, A-5, A-6, A-7,A-8),
Fw 190 D-11 and D-13

Bf 109:
- 109 E-1 Db601, 109 E-4 Db601Aa
- 109 F-2, F-4 (early 1.3Ata), G-2 (1.3 Ata), G-6 ( 1.3Ata), G-6 ( 1.42Ata), G-6 A/S ( DB605ASM), G-14( DB 605 AM) performance.

and Spits:
- Spitfire MK1 + 12 lbs
- Spitfire MK Vb ( Merlin 45 +12lbs), Spitfre MK VB CW ( Merlin 45M +16lbs), Spitfre MK LF VB and CW ( Merlin 50M +18lbs)
- Spitfire MK XII Griffon III ( +12lbs), Spitfire MK XII Griffon VI ( +15 lbs)
- Spitfre MK IX Merlin 61 ( early 1942 version)

Others:
- 110 C-4 with Db 601N
- Hurricane Mk1 +12 lbs
- Tempest 11&13 lbs,


More info: find ultr@pack site and topic in FM dissusion : New performance of Western Front Planes.

There are Il2 Compare diagrams which show corrected performance of these planes.

Source for corrected perfomance are mostly based on:

http://www.kurfurst.org/
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/

Really like new APIs and new P-51Ds.
But what I don't understand is they did the same mistake like default zero gunsight.
Can't see through that bright reticle.

Reticle for new P-51s.(P-51D-30NA etc)


Reticle for original P-51D-20NA


Bright dimmer light looks realistic at first but it is of no use after all.


Well, is it only me? New API ammobelt is not so much greater (or even worse!) than default HE ammobelt.

UI 1.2 is a great addition from AAA, as usual.

I suppose there is so much content because not every body is using the same computer specs. If you had a "top gun" computer that delivered highly rendered textures for your enviornment, then you'd probably want more detailed and better rendered cockpits to match. If you are using an older computer like myself, you probably wouldn't notice much difference.