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Thanks a lot for the concern. 
You are not serious are you? M_Gunz you might benefit much from playing a certain sim by 1C....... (sry couldn't resist  ).
Agreed almost completely. In my post I was only trying to explain the difference between Boom'n'Zoom and energy fighting, two terms often mixed by many virtual pilots. Indeed, alt is more important than speed, but in the last example (your last sentence) you are forgetting the engine power (let's say force to be accurate). Your last sentence holds true only if both planes travel fast. If they fly slow, the second aircraft might never slow down to opponents velocity as his climbing speed might be higher than the horisontal speed of another plane! But I got the point anyway, don't want to nitpick. No one in sane mind ever turns when he has any other option. ~ DKoor |
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So your only advice is NOT to take any advice. Do you realize this is Catch 22?  |
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I always learned the most by reading the memoirs of the WWII aces. Some of their techniques I used---shooting at point-blank range (Hartmann and others), and some I didn't use---never deviate from full throttle while in combat (Hub Zemke). Every player finds what is best for him.
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Platonic? 
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If you can get access to the two books detailed below I think you will find them useful resources for better virtual combat performance. I bought them because I have a particular interest in the P-38.
I also think that they back up a lot of what rnzoli is saying although I would say that the overwhelming message is height, speed and NEVER fly on your own, always fly in pairs or two pairs and if you get seperated join up with another friendly as soon as possible. "Twelve to One: V Fighter Command Aces of the Pacific War (Aircraft of the Aces) (Paperback)" Publisher: Osprey Publishing (30 April 2004) ISBN-10: 1841767840 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Twelve-One-Fighter-Command-Airc...6&colid=QPLURREHI1VR details the experiences of 107 elite American aces in combat against the Japanese based on "A report presented by V Fighter Command combat pilots for the purpose of making available helpful hints for combat replacement pilots who are assigned...etc" and "VIII Fighter Command at War: Long Reach (Osprey Aircraft of the Aces Special)" Michael O'Leary (Editor) Publisher: Osprey Publishing; Special edition (16 Jan 2001) ISBN-10: 1855329077 http://www.amazon.co.uk/VIII-Fighter-Command-War-Aircra...id=1213397910&sr=1-1 "Focuses on an official Army Air Force report commissioned by the Eighth Air Force's VIII Fighter Command in May 1944. It chronicled the experiences of 24 pilots in service escorting B-17s and B-24s on daylight raids deep into Germany" Both books would be of particular interested to the virtual pilots of P38s, P47s and P51s (P40s and P39s are also mentioned). Both books deal with offensive and defencive tactics at the individual, flight and Squadron level and also talks about tactics for defending bombers from enemy a/cs. |
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 Practice, practice, practice. So true that there is no set solution to any situation. Every situation is different, and changing differently. Use your head, and practice. Get the feel of the game.------------------------------------------ "Ah yes, Michael," Bader replied, "But these particular Fockers were Messerschmitts..." |
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 In that case, you came to the right place.  "the Grumman Hellcat, unquestionably the most important Allied shipboard fighter of World War II" -Capt. Eric Brown, R.N. |
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Always keep your speed up is absolutely right, unless you rank a single kill more important than your own life. |
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Life in RL, or life in IL2 1946? No one in sane mind ever turns when he has any other option. ~ DKoor |
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Wrong:"Practise, Practise, Practice"
Right:"Hop into Spit or La and go to kill something" "The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power" Franklin Delano Roosevelt |
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Unfortunately most people in IL2 don't care anything about their virtual life, and that's what keeps this an air combat game instead of an air combat simulation. ______________________________ I.D. Anybody interested in flying an air combat SIMULATION? If you're looking for Operational Realism, the JSAWG wants you. “There was never any doubt in my mind what I was gonna do when I grew up. I was gonna fly airplanes. Then I wouldn't have to work for a living.” Brigadier General Robin Olds |
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Smoking E/A with dying engine (cannot accelerate away), or numerical superiority over the E/A (someone will watch my back) are two typical situations where one is better off slowing down a bit, finishing the E/A in 2 minutes and gaining back the sacrificed altitude/speed in 3 more minutes, instead of constantly overshooting and missing the E/A for 10 minutes, only to let it make it to its home base, or help arrive on his side. Throttling back is a risk - a risk worth taking sometimes. |
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Lets then add one more misleading advice to he list: Wrong: always listen to the self-proclaimed experts, this is the only way to consider yourself in a high-level simulation, otherwise you are just a lowly gamer. Consequences: by following simplified advices, you may lose initiative and imagination, or the element of surprise on your opponents Correct: always listen to good advice, but in order to avoid following schematics all the time, avoid over-simplifications and know exactly in which context a specific advice is valid. |
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"Get closer?"
Man once I was attacking a He-111 that was carrying a torpedo, I was just below and behind it and firing at it, too close I guess, then it dropped its torpedo on me and I blew up..... 0__0 ----------------- Farewell to freedom in the Adriatic and to the days of wild abandon.  |
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Vultures only eat carrion, IE. dead flesh etc. They will not attack or kill a living creature as that is not what they have evolved to do. They simply feed off the dead. But abck on topic: With flying, I think it is "each to their own" some things that work for me don;t work for others. Somethings that are recommended to me by others simply do not fit with my flying style. The best way to learn is to practice and find what you are comfortable doing whilst getting to know your aircraft! V Major Valantine Zimmermann II./JG53 Kommandeur  4.08 co-op Squadron Recruiting!!! Recruiting BF109 pilots throughout the globe! Come see us at: http://www.freewebs.com/jagdgeschwader53/ |
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My statement has nothing to do with advise of any kind. Keep your speed up, don't keep your speed up. Let people get on your six, don't let them get there. I don't care. The point was simply that in real life, in the vast majority of cases, people flew like they gave a rat's rear end about whether they lived or died. This will never be a realistic simulation of air combat as long as nobody cares about losing their virtual life. I'm haven't claimed to be an expert about anything. On the other hand, I believe it was you who started a thread to tell everybody what advise was, in your opinion, worth listening to. hmmmmm... ______________________________ I.D. Anybody interested in flying an air combat SIMULATION? If you're looking for Operational Realism, the JSAWG wants you. “There was never any doubt in my mind what I was gonna do when I grew up. I was gonna fly airplanes. Then I wouldn't have to work for a living.” Brigadier General Robin Olds |
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Hey this is a game that simulates flying, guys.
It's not a military simulator or something that prepares you for a real thing. So get over it .
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