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It would be nice if the main IL2 Sturmovik page was updated on a regular basis.
 Last time was 10/04/2007. Come up with new topics, new features, better ways to do things etc. It's getting lonnnngggg in the tooth with the "holy grail of WWII flight sims" still there!   ]http://www.flying-legends.net/ http://www.screenshotart.com/ Brave good Men and Women won the war...PERIOD! |
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General Discussion forum needs a new title...maybe
"IL-2 Series Discussion". Why? Because for years we keep getting people coming in here asking questions about other games...they look stupid...sometimes we look stupid trying to reply to them...its just bad. Needs to be clearer for the people who read less and post too often 
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If you were or are a moderator for the UBI IL-2 community - You should no longer be so when/if BOB comes out.
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Heh heh, I don't know. He hasn't been around for a while, so I just kind of figured....   "the Grumman Hellcat, unquestionably the most important Allied shipboard fighter of World War II" -Capt. Eric Brown, R.N. |
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Allow Global UBI Forum policy or Moderators to decide what can/cannot be discussed..rather than local forum management (who are not a representative section of the wider IL2 1946 community - rather by dint of historical accident all seem to represent a rather narrow viewpoint)
Many, many Offliners feel they are no longer given a mouthpiece on the official UBI IL2 Forums because of policies current moderators have put in place regarding what can and cannot be discussed... As a background...there is a large community developing modifications to the game which are frowned on by the competitive online part of the community, yet any mention or discussion of those add ons is greeted with a ban and thread deletion here... From a UBI marketing point of view...currently the most rapidly growing unofficial IL2 forum is devoted precisely to this subject...exiles from the UBI board who are no longer able to express themselves or discuss the game on the official forums because of the policies put in place by the volunteer, local forum management. That obviously means thousands of people who could potentially be lost to UBI in terms of future game/expansion sales, because UBI marketing (The whole point of the official Game Forums ultimately) cannot reach them...because they have been marginalised by this moderation policy. This particular moderation policy sticks out like a sore thumb...as it is not something which is mirrored on any of the other official UBI forums I am active on...The Silent Hunter 3 and LOMAC forums all allow discussion of free community distributed created add-ons and mods...I am curiopus as to why a completely different policy has been implemented on the IL2/Pacific Fighters forum. |
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AFAIK, none of the mods for LOMAC and SI3 required decrypting of secure information, which weakens the integrity of the game, is legally dubious, and further is contrary to the Developer's (Oleg's) wishes. I highly suspect that if you asked the community managers to decide the policy, their position would be comparable to the currently enforced policy.  Raaaid: once i read about making a wormhole with household items, extreamly dangerous |
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Thats what i'm doing...If UBI or its representatives officially decide that discussion of current third party/community modification is against Forum policy I will be completely happy with that and say absolutely no more about it... I am not agitating, just trying to make a wider opinion heard than is approved by the current "closed shop" of volunteer local community based moderators who whilst they work hard and do a good job here all have their own agendas and bias to bring to the table...something that someone from UBI, not closely associated with the game will have. |
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sounds like a nice idea Jason...
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This is from the GENERAL and GLOBAL UBI FORUM RULES OF CONDUCT :
If it is illegal, it is illegal. So stop the illegal-mongering, and get back to topic.  |
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Dang...Dux beat me to it.
To reiterate...our beleaguered mods didn't set the policy...they are just enforcing it. Don't flame the messenger so to speak. That said, who wants to discuss politics?  -------------------------------------------------------- B-25/PBJ Precision Ordinance Delivery Manual  "Bad grammar is one thing up with which we shall not put!" - Winston Churchill |
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Absolutely...I couldn't agree more...If our Mods are enforcing a policy they have been instructed to do so by UBI, they have my whole hearted support and I will even be man enough to apologise for making a tough job even tougher... I am querying whether they were actually instructed/requested to ban talk of the current round of community modification to the game by the Global UBI forum moderators...or whether that was a decision which was made locally by the local volunteer forum moderators... Which, I am sure we would all agree is an entirely different kettle of fish  |
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Give them hell Jason.
You have my support for all the good that will help you.  |
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The mods, local or not, don't have to be specifically "instructed" to do their job and apply the Rules of Conduct. They're supposed to do so. That's what moderators and admins are for.
You don't seem to have read the General Rules. It applies for everyone here, in any forum, without any special instruction. Rules of Conduct simply don't allow to post about unauthorized hacks. The moderators -local or not, instructed or not- MUST apply the general Rules of Conduct. Pause. What's that you don't understand? UBI has not to explain anything. UBI HAS DONE THAT YET: IN THE RULES OF CONDUCT. (Sigh!) |
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Are you definately saying that it has been decided only by local volunteer community based moderators based on their interpretation of the Forum use agreement?
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Only ms-kleaneasy can confirm or deny that.Everything else is just blah blah blah. |
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It has been decided for those with the authority to do so. Policemen don't need an order of a Secretary or Minister to arrest a guy robbing a bank. And it's not their "Interpretation". It's crystal-clear. |
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Is that just your interpretation of their interpretation?
Or are you speaking on behalf of the local forum moderators Or are you speaking on behalf of the UBI global Moderators? |
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Actually theres quite a lot of things in the terms of conduct that go on here a lot.
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How is it crystal clear... The Forum use is quoted as follows...
So where is the discretion applied...who decides what is allowed to be dicussed...and what isn't? Why is substantive modification of the software including modification of the source code discussed on other UBI forums but not here... The line seems more aimed at piracy/illegal distribution than at community modification of legitimately purchased software for gameplay purposes... |
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