Alright I've got it. Instead of SPAWN KILLING why not sit in the middle of the board and wait for the other team to come through, same aspect except I know yall will probably argue because you can't sit and just shoot someone there will be a chance for the team to spread around the BOARD, I guarantee most of these people with 5 Stars wouldn't have them that way.

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Originally posted by ick0xbox:
An opposite impression written to cause you to think about perspective----


Man, whats is going on with sharpshooter online these days? It seems like people simply do not defend their spawn point any more. At it's core the game is about attacknig the other team and botteling them up in their spawn. Any more opposing teams leave their spawn completely unprotected and get dominated. Don't they understand that part of the game is playing defensively? I mean my team just walks right in and controls the map because they refuse to acknowledge that they have a vulnerability just like my team does.

I hate playing teams that completely ignore a built in aspect of the game.....in no time we have controlled their spawn and just sit there killing them as they spawn. Why do they insist on playing half of the game? PROTECT YOUR SPAWNS!

I'm gonna agree with mrekted777 on this one because spawn killing is the result of slack in ones strategical approach or like he said being punished for sucking. It always seems to be the Noobs who whine about getting spawn raped. LOOK it HAPPENS TO EVERYONE!!! just deal with it....I've had my share of spawn rapes and ya know what its because my teams strategy started to slip not because the other team was not abiding by the ethics of the game that u seem to have set in your mind. LOOK TO MAKE IT SHORT......U PLAY THE GAME.....IF UR GONNA WHINE KUZ U SUCK THEN DONT PLAY........IF SOMETHING ABOUT THE GAME IS BUGGING U THAT BAD THAT U HAVE TO START A FORUM LIKE THIS WHY WAIST UR TIME JUST SWITCH TO A GAME THAT WILL FULFILL UR SATISFACTION......OR BETTER YET GO TO COLLEGE AND GET A DEGREE IN MAKING GAMES AND USE THAT CRITICISM CONSTRUCTIVELY YA KNOW..


SO TO END THIS FORUM(HOPEFULL)
YOU EITHER PLAY TO WIN OR YOU PLAY TO LOSE....

For the past 4 games spawn killing has always been here. Take it or leave it I believe. Most of the top sharpshooter guys some times will stack the teams with thier buddies or the best players. Its your job to be the best. I have played 10 minute games and seen a guy get somewhere around 2 kills and 11 deaths with even getting spawn killed then the next game we play outpost and he complains about spawn killing. I dont complain about spawn killing because any person who can kill all the people in the mid-field, kill the people just coming out of the spawn, kill people while they spawn, and watch thier backs at the same time has some skills yes?

Your job in Ss is to try to get the enemy spawn point. Any other way of playing unless agreed upon by all the other people playing is just scrubish.

BTW I spawn camp and have 5 stars. I dont even play SS that much heck look me up in the Blind Seige top 100 rankings and the 100 Universal rankings. Stereo-typical statements like those only make you look stupid.

Accusations of Spawn Killing in Ghost Recon tend to make the accuser look like an ass. I say this from experence. The thing of it is that Spawn Killing while irritating, is something that you yourself would probably do if given the chance to do so. No need to defend yourself, it's human nature to do such things and has been done for ages in online games.

However, I must agree that in some games of Ghost Recon, especialy on the smaller maps, Spawn Killing becomes a problem, and becomes irritating when someone using an LMG proclaims their superority over all other human beings while blowing you away with said LMG while your back is turned.

Hopefuly, there is some way that will be implented in AW that will correct or lessen the problem.

Excellent posts. A mature discussion on the topic, who would have thought?

Unfortunately Spawn Killing is an integral part of the game.

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Ick

I don’t believe that
(Sharpshooter is a spawn killing)
end of story take it or leave it

I dont care if people spawn camp it juss shaves off ur stars it dosent help their stars go up.

Can't say I particularly enjoy being spawn raped but I've got to agree with Mr Ekted (who is sodding good btw). By moaning about it you just make yourself look a little naive to say the least.

It can be a little frustrating going into a room where the sides are stacked, but then again, who's keeping you there? If I end up in a room where the teams are seriously lopsided and the spawn raping is getting to be a problem, I'll stay in the game to the end, thank the host and find another game. Whingeing about it just makes you look dumb.

It helps if the host is upfront about it, but at the end of the day if you can't protect your spawn well it's probably a good lesson for you and your teammates.

i have to agree with you Mr.graham you are right

Nice discussion. Very civilised

Spawn killin is cr*p I really do hate it with a passion, never have liked it in the 5years i've been playing. However it does happen and will continue to happen. Not a lot people can do about it unfortunately!

I represent a community of gamers who do not like spawn killing. We always setup our own rooms and make sure that people who spawn kill are booted.
We have a moto.. "your only excuse is lack of skill" and we stand by it. Our Code of Conduct is specific in that it does not allow any of our members to spawn kill, use glitchs or use turbo controllers. We believe that in doing so we are above reproach and thus can play a clean game where your only excuse for loosing is lack of skill.

How well you play or how long you have played, have no bearing on how we treat our members. Every member in our group is treated as an equal and your only qualification for joining our group is to adhere to our ideals regarding spawn killing, glitching and turbo controllers.

If you think that you are the kind of gamer who is tired of playing with a bunch of people who have earned their stars purely through camping in your spawn then it is time that you met a community of people who have earned their rankings and stars playing clean.

The name of our community is Twin Crimson and we can be accessed at www.twincrimson.com. Join us and find out what it is to be part of a team of fair minded and talented bunch or ghosts...

My gamer tag is Crimson Fog and you are also welcome to join any of my room. I host one every night..

Kris

maybe if they let you pick a spawn ANYWHERE on the map this wouldn't be a problem because then you could spawn as far from the spawn campers as possible. Its kind of pointless to have two set team bases in a gametype where the objective is killing. Not taking a base or flag.

This is all so stupid. I think it is pretty bad when I get into a game and a guy on my team says that the other teams spawn is in grid F6 or whatever.

If you cant tell Im against spawn killing. It is stupid. Spawn killers are just the same as the people who play games with stupid cheat codes that make you immortal. There no good so they try to "strategize" and find a new way to play. Why do it.

What fun is it to sit in a spot and just shoot a guy as he spawns. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. No skills needed. Like the other guy said, just plug in a second controller and shoot him as he comes back.

If this forum is so stupi, why the heck are you in it, let alone leaving a message.

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Originally posted by SealTeam289:
I'm gonna agree with mrekted777 on this one because spawn killing is the result of slack in ones strategical approach or like he said being punished for sucking. It always seems to be the Noobs who whine about getting spawn raped. LOOK it HAPPENS TO EVERYONE!!! just deal with it....I've had my share of spawn rapes and ya know what its because my teams strategy started to slip not because the other team was not abiding by the ethics of the game that u seem to have set in your mind. LOOK TO MAKE IT SHORT......U PLAY THE GAME.....IF UR GONNA WHINE KUZ U SUCK THEN DONT PLAY........IF SOMETHING ABOUT THE GAME IS BUGGING U THAT BAD THAT U HAVE TO START A FORUM LIKE THIS WHY WAIST UR TIME JUST SWITCH TO A GAME THAT WILL FULFILL UR SATISFACTION......OR BETTER YET GO TO COLLEGE AND GET A DEGREE IN MAKING GAMES AND USE THAT CRITICISM CONSTRUCTIVELY YA KNOW..


SO TO END THIS FORUM(HOPEFULL)
YOU EITHER PLAY TO WIN OR YOU PLAY TO LOSE....

it's part of the game, but doesn't have to be. They can set it up such that it's a none issue. See my other post or just play call of duty a couple of times to see how sharpshooter can be fun for everyone.

Any game that doesn't have this sort of thing is always better. Ghost is an awesome game and it's only when the second you load you get killed does it become no fun. I don't care how much you love spawn camping.. If it happened to you for 20 minutes your not going to enjoyh that 20 minutes. If you say you do enjoy it then you are a liar.

when are the actually stratigic game types played? whenever im on live it seems only ss and lms are being played, i dont really like lms because i enjoy longer fire fights. and in ss i enjoy the semi squad tactics. i play for fun, not to win. if i wanted to win id play single player. and while it does take more skill to camp then ppl give credit (not that id know) it still is more fun and fulfilling to go out, see the enemy, engage, hopefully destroy them to just when they pop up in a one spot. you dont even have to aim, just put it in the one spot and just pull the trigger. ive tried to stop spawn killing, but whenever i kill them they just come back. it gets repedative and irritating after awhile.

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Originally posted by ick0xbox:
An opposite impression written to cause you to think about perspective----


Man, whats is going on with sharpshooter online these days? It seems like people simply do not defend their spawn point any more. At it's core the game is about attacknig the other team and botteling them up in their spawn. Any more opposing teams leave their spawn completely unprotected and get dominated. Don't they understand that part of the game is playing defensively? I mean my team just walks right in and controls the map because they refuse to acknowledge that they have a vulnerability just like my team does.

I hate playing teams that completely ignore a built in aspect of the game.....in no time we have controlled their spawn and just sit there killing them as they spawn. Why do they insist on playing half of the game? PROTECT YOUR SPAWNS!

Very good post and a point all should consider. It’s not all about offence or defense but about Offence/Defense, Defense/Offence. It takes both in the real world and in the gaming world.

Not sure why people complain on spawn killing in SS games. Its kinda the point. If your team is that bad that you allow the other team to get set up around your base, your team obviously isn't communicating very well. Should the other team just kill all your players, then retreat? Doesn't make any sense. Maybe instead of having your whole team run out in the beginning, keep a few people back to defend the base, I'm sure the team that is "spawn camping" has one or two players making sure the same doesn't happen to them.

I have a question. If spawn camping is a part of the game, then why do the developers bother to include the rest of the map? Why not just include the 2 spawn camps and just shoot each other across the the VERY small map. I am probably the worst SS player ever, (can't get accustomed to switching from mouse to controller) but I see no skill at all in spawn camping. I believe if a player can remain alive while moving around the map, taking cover, and killing the enemy, that is SKILL, hiding in a corner does not prove any skill at all. It just proves you can sit and point.