I don't even think it's worth posting my opinion in terms of what I prefer... it's irrelevant at this point.

What I will say is; I agree with ThaRebeliouZ. There are enough people that like both set ups, so why not just have two different game types?

Team Sharpshooter for the base pushing crowd and Team Deathmatch for the run and gun crowd. Everyone's happy.

Since the respawns are adjustable by the host I think it wouldn't necessarily be a good call to force a no respawn rule... you're just going to end up upsetting a bunch of people at this point. Basically, if you wanted to play a Team Sharpshooter game with no respawns, host the game yourself!

Just give us the option. More options mean more happy gamers. Which is what you want, right?

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Originally posted by Shadow_Intent:
I don't even think it's worth posting my opinion in terms of what I prefer... it's irrelevant at this point.

What I will say is; I agree with ThaRebeliouZ. There are enough people that like both set ups, so why not just have two different game types?

Team Sharpshooter for the base pushing crowd and Team Deathmatch for the run and gun crowd. Everyone's happy.

Since the respawns are adjustable by the host I think it wouldn't necessarily be a good call to force a no respawn rule... you're just going to end up upsetting a bunch of people at this point. Basically, if you wanted to play a Team Sharpshooter game with no respawns, host the game yourself!

Just give us the option. More options mean more happy gamers. Which is what you want, right?

Yes more options! Also the option for the host to disable the "Radar" would be a good addition.

quote:

Originally posted by Shadow_Intent:
I don't even think it's worth posting my opinion in terms of what I prefer... it's irrelevant at this point.

What I will say is; I agree with ThaRebeliouZ. There are enough people that like both set ups, so why not just have two different game types?

Team Sharpshooter for the base pushing crowd and Team Deathmatch for the run and gun crowd. Everyone's happy.

Since the respawns are adjustable by the host I think it wouldn't necessarily be a good call to force a no respawn rule... you're just going to end up upsetting a bunch of people at this point. Basically, if you wanted to play a Team Sharpshooter game with no respawns, host the game yourself!

Just give us the option. More options mean more happy gamers. Which is what you want, right?

At least someone here understands the concept of options.

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Originally posted by ThaRebeliouZ:

quote:

Originally posted by Shadow_Intent:
I don't even think it's worth posting my opinion in terms of what I prefer... it's irrelevant at this point.

What I will say is; I agree with ThaRebeliouZ. There are enough people that like both set ups, so why not just have two different game types?

Team Sharpshooter for the base pushing crowd and Team Deathmatch for the run and gun crowd. Everyone's happy.

Since the respawns are adjustable by the host I think it wouldn't necessarily be a good call to force a no respawn rule... you're just going to end up upsetting a bunch of people at this point. Basically, if you wanted to play a Team Sharpshooter game with no respawns, host the game yourself!

Just give us the option. More options mean more happy gamers. Which is what you want, right?

Yes more options! Also the option for the host to disable the "Radar" would be a good addition.

Before I got the game I thought there was an option for the host to turn off the radar. I thought thats what people were asking for and I thought I read somewhere that they were putting that option in. Instead they give the player the option to turn there own radar on or off. Did they misunderstand what people were asking for. Why would you turn your own radar off and be at a disadvantage anyway. I really dont understand alot of things they've done with this game.

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Originally posted by VP360:

quote:

Originally posted by ThaRebeliouZ:

quote:

Originally posted by Shadow_Intent:
I don't even think it's worth posting my opinion in terms of what I prefer... it's irrelevant at this point.

What I will say is; I agree with ThaRebeliouZ. There are enough people that like both set ups, so why not just have two different game types?

Team Sharpshooter for the base pushing crowd and Team Deathmatch for the run and gun crowd. Everyone's happy.

Since the respawns are adjustable by the host I think it wouldn't necessarily be a good call to force a no respawn rule... you're just going to end up upsetting a bunch of people at this point. Basically, if you wanted to play a Team Sharpshooter game with no respawns, host the game yourself!

Just give us the option. More options mean more happy gamers. Which is what you want, right?

Yes more options! Also the option for the host to disable the "Radar" would be a good addition.

Before I got the game I thought there was an option for the host to turn off the radar. I thought thats what people were asking for and I thought I read somewhere that they were putting that option in. Instead they give the player the option to turn there own radar on or off. Did they misunderstand what people were asking for. Why would you turn your own radar off and be at a disadvantage anyway. I really dont understand alot of things they've done with this game.

Yea i hear you man, It seems like the game is 2 patches away from feeling like an actual v2.00.0

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Originally posted by HarleqES:
I've missed a lot in the 5 days I have been away on military duty.

I am very thankful that the community here has come out in force against the random respawns Ubi implimented with the patch. It is terrific to see so many real Rainbow fans coming together on an issue. I have also noted that there have been a lot of posts in defense of the random respawns. On that, I have to say this...

The most true fans of this series will realize that allowing respawns fundementally changed the series, but even then, it remained a TACTICAL shooter. Hosts have almost always had the option to turn respawns off, if a more "old school" style of play was desired. But thankfully, until now, Rainbow has never strayed too far from its roots. Random respawns changes the whole nature of the game, and should not be tolerated.

I find it so terribly funny that you can readily tell which individuals have been playing Rainbow games for awhile, and which ones are new to the series, or prefer more actiony shooters, just by the content of their posts.

Rainbow Six is not now, and if the fans have anything to say about it, never will be an action shooter. I suggest that those who would complain to get it changed to such a game would do better to go back to Halo 3 and COD4 and leave the rest of us in peace.

Case in point, I did not play much this past weekend after the patch I do not like it. I got on last night and of the 49 friends on my list 2 were playing RB6 and none in TDM where prior to the patch I had upwards of 18 friends on playing this game. I agree with HarleqES, is has never been a action shooter, it is a tactical game. In the years I have been playing the RB6 games we KICK those that spawn camp we DON'T allow it. Those that host our games (my self included) will not keep those around that do it. We try to even out the teams and enjoy ourselves a little.

Most of my friends have talked and we will most likely go back to RB6V:I so that we can enjoy a game we enjoyed. I wish someone from UBI would step up and say something about what they plan on doing to fix this or NOT fix it. Either way would be preferable to the silence that is out there now.

I said it in a post earlier I don't play COD4 on line and I don't own any version of Halo, I play RB6 online almost exclusively and if it is not fixed I guess we'll go back to RB6V:I.

Please help us out UBI there are two camps and we just want to enjoy your title.

Make all Host Options searchable with checkboxes in the game-search.window!

Ubisoft - for your consideration:

Okay, here it goes. If we are honest...rainbow 6 was "over the rainbow" at lockdown. Funny how many times I've told people in game stores "You have to get Rainbow Six, it's by FAR the best game on LIVE"

Where did that support of RB6 get me? Well, here I guess, to ***** and complain about why it's all changed.

So after I get scolded for posting UBISOFT's "own" customer service number, I manage to talk myself in to trying something different. GTA IV -

For one, I've not liked any GTA games in the past - but this time is different and I will tell you why. It's "Polished" they thought of things like for example - duel cut scenes for if your stolen police car has it's lights on or not at the time. Just simple things the very critical could notice....

I'd like to leave UBISOFT with this - I'm not going to be a GTA fan-boy, but I will say, it's a BENCHMARK product that is worth 10 times the $60.00. I don't care if you like GTA games or not - but the level of detail and care in coding is really AMAZING.

Game might get repetative at some point, but I was sick of random spawning terrorists in Vegas after about 10 minutes of gameplay.

I played GTA IV for at least 12 hours over the last two days and really have a hard time turning it off.

I hope you find the right people to "LISTEN" to this community and get your **** together, because you will fail if you continue to make short-cut after short-cut.

I played Assassins Creed for about 8 hours and haven't touched it.....could have been an awesome game. Very dissapointed in your products - splinter cell "Double agent"...lol...huge joke -

What's going on is a huge disappointment for most of the people that "Supported" you when you needed a popular title -

Now this same group is "asking" you to listen and be a "different" game company - the mainstream can have the Halo's and the COD's, what makes UBISOFT stand out right now?

Are you going to play follow the leader or be the leader in the Tac-Sim-FPS business?

I would just like to say that I have just downloaded the update and I had completed the story on realistic before. I even checked to make sure that I had truly completed every checkpoint and I have and the achievement still has yet to unlock...My gamertag is Oscail Tine

Wowowowow I have a Ps3, but Ill guess that we'll get the same fixes, so with this team deathmatch spawn fix, PLEASE tell me that we all spawn in one spot if we play no respawns (Team Survival.)

That is what I like about the game, they wouldnt destroy the part of the game for us somewhat tactical people?

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Originally posted by BigRay16:
I would just like to say that I have just downloaded the update and I had completed the story on realistic before. I even checked to make sure that I had truly completed every checkpoint and I have and the achievement still has yet to unlock...My gamertag is Oscail Tine

Play a couple of scenes in realistic, it'll eventually award itself unexpectedly now with the patch.

Moved from "message to Ubi.Levelup" to appropriate thread per Mod request:


DISEMAN_x Posted Sat May 03 2008 08:03

have you tried a PM to Ubi.Level.Up?

Any luck at all?


No, I admit I haven't PM'd him personally, but I would like an answer for all of us.

Maybe they (Ubi.LevelUp and Ubisoft) just don't see any of our posts as a problem and therefore don't feel it's necessary to answer.

You can always tell when someone has or feels they have the upper hand in a situation. I hope that we as consumers (buyers of the games) can see that Ubisoft is in TOTAL control of this situation by the way they don't reply to anything on this board. That's because they have our money already and since we can't return the games we buy (great marketing strategy by the way) there's not a whole lot we're going to be able to to do.

Although a good position to be in for Ubisoft, I know it's biting them in the butt because I for one (one example only) have already put a couple games back on the shelf as soon as I saw it was made by Ubisoft. I'm sure others are doing so as well. OVER TIME that will have an impact.

Trust is something every company has to maintain - and I think Ubisoft has built on this trust with the earlier versions of Rainbow. That's part of the reason for its success; no doubt. However, I think Ubisoft has been quickly destroying a lot of that trust with recent changes and updates.

That's why it's really important we send a message with our purchasing power the next time they put out a game. My "PERSONAL" message is that I will not buy any UBISOFT game before I borrow/rent and test it first. If it passes whatever test I place on it - then I'll decide whether or not to buy it. NO MORE blind buying based on hyped up trailers that always look good. No more blind buying based on the initial excitement of others. $60 is just too much to spend repeatedly for bad games.

I think that's fair enough and not hostile towards anyone, right?

Ubi.LevelUp - can we get any insight, which you might have about all this? Even if it's bad news for those who want a random spawn change back to the way it was... Any news is better than no news. Thanks
Posts: 45 | Registered: Thu March 20 2008

It's certainly fair! After two sessions of team deathmatch with the random spawns I quit playing Vegas 2. I also went ahead and bought GTA IV a few days ago - something I honestly wasn't planning to do. I may still play Vegas 2 on occasion, but certainly not as much as I used to with the old spawn system.

Another thing they need to fix is:

When you go to search for a T-hunt co-op match it shows up "No Matches Found" so i have to then go to the Versus mode and do a match search and once i get a list i have to then go back to the T-Hunt search list to find some matches. This needs fixing so i wont have to do this every single time i want to find a T-hunt match.

Not to be random in any way, but just to change the subject; i think that ubisoft should have also given elites there black in custom camo.

This is so sad, you people get so many problems patched up after whining and threatening to SUE and even after all of this you still complain about one little change. Yes, if you dont like it, fine, but it sounds like youre going to pillage ubisoft's headquarters. I have a Ps3, and I could really go for some of these updates.

Lol....It's all just too terribly funny/sad at this point. If not only for myself, I see people just reaching out for "any" support to save this series, and "locked" threads, duplicate threads, same complaints, questions, problems....blah...blah...blah.

Some of you...more than "Most", have really been productive and professional, and I question how this board/forum has treated many of you. However, I think it's a tribute to "real" gamers. Smart people, that have grown up to realize that we grew up with nothing in the gamer world to today's standards...and now for the first time in our lives, we watch the developers go "Backwards" and like that terrible movie that you pay "$20.00" to see....you continue to settle for less and less, because "there just isn't anything GREAT out there to see"

Ubisoft, took us for a ride with this title, and somewhere - driving around in a "sweet car" is the executive that pulls up the "sales" numbers every morning and sings in the shower how great an idea it was to manage a half assed dev team to make a half assed game, that made "Money,Money,Money"

We try to find the forum - I've been here since 2004, and put our 2 cents in - well, I guess 2 cents doesn't mean **** anymore.

This board has turned into a sponge of information that is filtered, to the point of prejudice, and then it's hard to see if it was listened to, or they did an online poll or spoke to the highest shareholder at some golf tournament.

Ubisoft - your ears are very hard of hearing, and you are really stuck-up if you think your forums are a diversion of a faulty - product.

At the VERY LEAST - you could be more pro-active and involved in your community, because your moderation/contribution to this forum is

The bare minimum - And I'd expect a certain person to say that this is again the same subject and lock it, but i'd appreciate this thread to remain OPEN (for a change) I'm not calling anyone out, or being disrespectful - I may be saving your company in the long run.

It's a shame for those of us who take the time to write and not use all the vulgar, punk, language, and get our threads locked while other more unproductive posts remain. IMO

well i thought about it again to give it a second chance from my last post.... and figured out there is no point of playing the game anymore i loved rb6 series every one of them sadly was a ubi$oft supporter but after i look at it.....
they knew they screwed up from the start by removing the spawns because hey havn't you all noticed there are alot more ad's in the game on the walls they are trying to get that last burst of money before everyone gives up on the game to move on for better games....

to all the other people trying to back the idea of "have you ever lost a game due to spawncamping" all that BS hell its the way of the game this is why they gave you a 5 second spawnshield your suppose to use it to get out of your spawn thats why this game was first titled as a "tactical shooter" hell they now took the whole "tactical" idea from the game and turned it into "IM SO AMAZING AT THIS GAME I KILLED YOU FROM BEHIND WITH MY SPAWNSHIELD shooter"

now for the people who are gonna complain about my post.... and to the forum people w/e you wanna call them

"yah listen to this young kid talk because hes on a computer" hell im a 19yr old guy could care less what others think about my thoughts towards ubi$oft.

and to the forum people that keep it up or w/e you do....
i read about you guys calling the people whiners telling them to shutup about the update because it sucked.... if this is true you morons because your suppose to be representing ubi$oft and that shows me and maybe other people that its not as a respectable company as i always thought....
im done supporting ubi$oft

I agree Ubi$oft has really missed with the random spawns. This has turned into a very "un-tactical shooter". I guess Ubi$oft is just jumping on the bandwagon with H3 & Cod4. The sniping wasn't really any good, but now it's completely obsolete. safe to say a lot of loyal gamers WILL think twice before picking up any ubi title. Furthermore I think that another company should bid to pick up the next R6 before it is cut to pieces anymore. Time to step up ubi, renew our faith. I can't believe that they would change the spawns without asking the ppl that truley play this game. Thanks for complaining about gettting spawn camped and making it so easy to shoot you in the face!!!!! Just keep listening to the minority and not the ppl that keep you in business. If you wanna be like halo and Cod then fork out the money and get SERVERS, this is the only thing that is worth copying.