Yes, this is a recent change. (and, answering another post)

No, they're not legally at fault for doing so. According to their terms of service.. now I am being facetious here but legally I am correct.. they could patch the online play so that your only weapons are custard pie and kitten petting.

You have to agree to said terms of service before you can even get in.

You can petition, boycott, and complain (to the media, which would be most effective).. but you can't sue, so don't get too excited about the "lawsuit" you're reading about.

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Originally posted by SoheiFox:
Yes, this is a recent change. (and, answering another post)

No, they're not legally at fault for doing so. According to their terms of service.. now I am being facetious here but legally I am correct.. they could patch the online play so that your only weapons are custard pie and kitten petting.

You have to agree to said terms of service before you can even get in.

You can petition, boycott, and complain (to the media, which would be most effective).. but you can't sue, so don't get too excited about the "lawsuit" you're reading about.

Just to clear it out I know you are answering someone elses post but I wouldnt go through all the trouble of doing that mess because of an update.

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Originally posted by SoheiFox:
I finally got around to testing this extensively and...

What are you even talking about? It's not "random spawns" at all. You spawn near your teammates. It encourages tactical and strategic play, and you very much still CAN dominate sections of maps. The only time an enemy has spawned "in the middle of us".. which, in and of itself has never happened otherwise... is because another enemy was already in the middle of us.

The only differences I've seen are these two

1) You can't spawn camp anymore.

2) If one enemy breaks your lines, then he will spawn his own teammates and collapse your line from that bulge. You know, like in Terrorist Hunt.

...how is this worse?

LOL you don't even play team deathmatch and here you are defending it???
I spawned in the opposing teams initial spawn right behind one of their players and proceeded to shoot him in the back of his head. I spawned once in the big box room (streets map) with NO ONE ANYWHERE near me. I spawned once right in the middle of a firefight. Yes, you're right, this makes the game much more realistic now that real tactics are involved LOL
Your posts are hilarious to read, keep them up.
Just as a side note, it doesn't matter what type of disclaimers or software license is involved, if the game sold is changed in a such a manner that it changes the gameplay significantly (noted here by quite a few members), there are more than mere civil matters here at hand.
That's all I say on this matter, as I've been informed that I've said too much already.
Rest assured that there will be repercussions if this matter is not resolved.

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Originally posted by SoheiFox:
I finally got around to testing this extensively and...

What are you even talking about? It's not "random spawns" at all. You spawn near your teammates. It encourages tactical and strategic play, and you very much still CAN dominate sections of maps. The only time an enemy has spawned "in the middle of us".. which, in and of itself has never happened otherwise... is because another enemy was already in the middle of us.

The only differences I've seen are these two

1) You can't spawn camp anymore.

2) If one enemy breaks your lines, then he will spawn his own teammates and collapse your line from that bulge. You know, like in Terrorist Hunt.

...how is this worse?

You have not played this much have you or did not read one of my posts, ok this is what happened to me before on streets, i was up stairs in 'A' spawn when soon as game started some one on the other team killed a team mate then guess what happened? yes the person who was killed spawned below me in our spawn and BAM head shot from behind and my team mate so come on is that fair no as he would of had to get past my team mates watching the undergrond and people on the pourch so just face it ubi ****ed up and get your tongue out there arse.

random Respawns suck!!!!


I want my money back

funny me and aspen_wrx both think you have not played TDM much look at our 2 posts 2 minutes from each other both thinking the same thing.

I would like to thank Ubisoft for completely screwing up what was the best FPS made. I traded in COD4 when R6V2 came out only to end up with COD5. Way to go Ubisoft. Way to lose loyal fans!!!!!

thats the thing the only people who are defending it are the ones who dont play TDM or dont play with respawns..... So that doesent effect them anyway so it real Doesent matter what they think if they dont play it with respawns at all.....

The Fact is the Majority of people who play TDM with respawns are not happy with the change.... It has been the biggest complaint on this forum. Ubisoft please act quickly by either giving us the option of how we want to spawn or getting rid of random respawns all together.

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Originally posted by Ubi.LevelUp:
A Title Update is now available for XBOX 360 fixing many of the issues communicated by you, the community, and includes many gameplay tweaks based on your feedback. Major props to everyone who has been communicating directly to me and posting on the forums with commun



PS3 & PC users have received optimizations and stability fixes in a patch available on launch day. An update for the PS3 with the same game tweaks is currently in the works as well.

Here is a list of what comes in the XBOX 360 Title Update:



>>> IMPROVEMENTS <<<
Team Deathmatch Respawn Modification
Respawning in Team Deathmatch now work like regular Deathmatch (random points throughout the map) which intensifies gameplay and minimizes spawn camping/trapping.

Quote from the first post random respawns an improvement get real who wanted team death match to work the same as death match any way.

There is something wrong with this new update for the 360. Everything gives only 1xp. i.e headshot, 1, Short range 1, Explosive kill 1, through cover 1. this is really starting to piss me off. I hope a R6V2 tech guy reads this and solves our probles soon. Thanks

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Originally posted by aspen_wrx:

LOL you don't even play team deathmatch and here you are defending it???
I spawned in the opposing teams initial spawn right behind one of their players and proceeded to shoot him in the back of his head. I spawned once in the big box room (streets map) with NO ONE ANYWHERE near me. I spawned once right in the middle of a firefight. Yes, you're right, this makes the game much more realistic now that real tactics are involved LOL
Your posts are hilarious to read, keep them up.
Just as a side note, it doesn't matter what type of disclaimers or software license is involved, if the game sold is changed in a such a manner that it changes the gameplay significantly (noted here by quite a few members), there are more than mere civil matters here at hand.
That's all I say on this matter, as I've been informed that I've said too much already.
Rest assured that there will be repercussions if this matter is not resolved.

No, Kevin, I played plenty of TDM before this, I just hadn't played extensively post-patch. And you haven't consulted a lawyer yet, Kevin, because you'd know that you can't do a class action lawsuit about this. Though someone might have told you to quit directly threatening lawsuit. "Repercussions". Please.

Meanwhile, the media reaction has been crickets.

If you people don;t like this, you contact gaming sites and media sources. Threatening lawsuits is just stupid.

random spawns take the strategy out of the game and has ruined the game, at least provide an option to lock the spawns

ok so i played with the new patch update and i must say it has some very noticeable improvements with the faster gun switching and grenade throws i havent tried anything online yet so i'll find out what everyone is b****ing about first hand tomorrow when i play some TD.

Overall a very good first update i hope the next 1 will continue to improve on gameplay related issues(spawning, cover glitching etc.) sound improvements, weapons rebalancing and more.

fair enough to fix glitches etc... but to change the way aw hole game mode is played like with the respawn modifaction is Ridiculous without even giving us a option!

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Originally posted by SoheiFox:
And you haven't consulted a lawyer yet, Kevin, because you'd know that you can't do a class action lawsuit about this.

obviously, you haven't consulted a lawyer, either.

my wife is a lawyer (quite a good one, actually who works for one of the foremost firms in the world) and she says that the argument is legally tolerable under the auspices of false advertisement. this isn't to say you'll win (it might not even withstand summary judgment) but a case can be made. if nothing else, the negative PR the case would generate for ubi would be highly problematic.

so, the answers to this scenario is, "yes, you can", "no, you won't win", and "in any event, you didn't know any of this".

DODGE BALL ANYONE??????

I call Ubi today to lodge my complaint about the "patch" er, uh, screw-up.....

I was told, "we felt the game needed to be more fair for the 'new' players" and "we wanted to 'level' the playing field".

What a cop out!

I never would have thought that a tactical, first person shooter would be kicked to the curb the way dodge ball has in schools accross this country - because it was a bullying game that allowed stronger players to pick on the weaker ones.

I guess we now know the developers all had parents who coplained about their "weak" children being damaged physically and emotionally from playing dodge ball. Not to mention, I am willing to bet they all even received a prize or ribbon for consistantly finishing LAST in any and all of their endeavors both on and off the field of sports.

It is so sad that this "philosophy" has made its way into a video game. Especcially one which has a mature ESRB rating, which I'm willing to bet has not been enforced due to fact that about 25-30% of those people I run accross online are definitely well below the age requirement.

If Ubi were smart, they would have had everyone who complained about "spawn camping" verify or attest to their age and negate any complaints by those not old enough to play the game in first place. I'm willing to bet the number of ligitimate complaints recieved would have been less than 5%-10% of the total number of ligitimate players who are currently playing the game.

If Ubi really wants to right this screw-up, they should either allow the host select random or fixed spawns or bring back Team Deathmatch in its original form and call it Team Sharpshooter.

Just a few more thoughts!

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Originally posted by amazingmarkbert:

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Originally posted by SoheiFox:
And you haven't consulted a lawyer yet, Kevin, because you'd know that you can't do a class action lawsuit about this.

obviously, you haven't consulted a lawyer, either.

my wife is a lawyer (quite a good one, actually who works for one of the foremost firms in the world) and she says that the argument is legally tolerable under the auspices of false advertisement. this isn't to say you'll win (it might not even withstand summary judgment) but a case can be made.

I invite your wife to take his case then. If your wife actually is a lawyer, she now has his contact information. The instant you publically threaten a lawsuit, the tech law community pounces.

Invite her to take his case.. cause I sure wouldn't. Lawyers don't take cases that are automatic losers. See, everyone saw the Starforce thing and thinks Ubisoft is now afraid or vulnerable. They are not. Starforce WAS a legal oopsie, because it affected things outside of it's own domain.

Changing how online play occurs is neither false advertisement nor does it effect change on anything else. There is no advertisement, anywhere, that states either explicitly or implicitly that online play is not subject to change. This lawsuit has several dozen cases of precedent against it.

There is no potential for damages. It would be like trying to take one of those people who call the IRS "illegal" on as a client. It would end up as a black mark on your record for the rest of your career.

Lawyers (generally) aren't so greedy it makes them stupid.

the new update is great except for the team deathmatch respawn, if i want that respone i would play halo or call of duty, that took the whole tacticle out of the game, it almost makes me want to sell my game its the worst thing you guys could of done, the worst, all i here now is people complaining, about how dumb the new respons are,

Plus, whatever happened to that "lawsuit" over the thousand points over XBox live?

Is everyone in this community sue-happy and incapable of understanding what would actually be laughed out of court?

And that happens more often then you'd think, a judge turning red-faced with laughter while plaintiffs present their case. Fox News vs. Al Franken was such a case. The lawyer who took that case, Dori Hanswirth, no longer has a career of any kind.

Random respawn needs to be a GAME HOST CHOICE. Right now, you're turning into Call of Duty 4, with running, effectively random respawns, etc.