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its funny how no one from Ubi has chimed in on this thread....not even the unoffical Ubi workers that help with the forums.....
 
Posts: 13 | Registered: Sun March 30 2008Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Originally posted by SoheiFox:
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Originally posted by abc_def_ghi:

Ohh myyy no logic to that post whatsoever.
If the game was changed to drastically change the gameplay, then that game is not what the person purchased in the first place.
If enough people feel like that is the case, then any lawyer in his right mind will take the case because there is money to be made PERIOD!


I urge you to contact a lawyer or even browse google for legal precedent. Just because you want the law to work a certain way doesn't mean it actually does.

My post was not just a matter of logic, it was a matter of reality.

Well i hate to rain on your parade, but a lawyer has already stated that if enough people sign up, he will file the suit.
So much for your logic Roll Eyes
 
Posts: 7 | Registered: Thu April 24 2008Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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I agree with everyone else here that they should have never put in random spawning in Team Deathmatch. At lease let people pick from different spawn points like in Calypso Casino in RSV1.
 
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Originally posted by abc_def_ghi:
Well i hate to rain on your parade, but a lawyer has already stated that if enough people sign up, he will file the suit.
So much for your logic Roll Eyes


I think I already said this, but I'll say it again, contact information or it didn't happen. What lawyer? And yes, I will call his office to verify.

Lying won't change how the law works either.
 
Posts: 24 | Registered: Thu April 24 2008Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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I just want to point out i have not just registered yesterday to complain i registered the day this came out but i must say the respawn update is **** no i am no spawn camper i hate them but some times i would like to hold a position and snipe with kill cam of it is good but now you always got to be on the move, and what i read from some one above team death match no tactics get a life there is tactics to hold a postion hold choke hold areas on a map and if you only have 5 minute matches then its important to hold them areas if you got unlimited respawns or not. Any way team death match is just a run and gun game now if i want to do that i will just put COD4 on, Look at this for an example on the streets map sniping from the upstairs window when up pops some one on there team killed team mate this is in the first second next thing i know bang head shot from behind yes it was the person who just got team killed spawned down stairs below me and know they did not loose any points for the team kill as it was 0 - 0 ok it was luck that he spawnd there but come on no more tactics plus its killed the small maps, if you want to just run around spraying and praying then piss off on cod4 at least put an option in the settings saying random spawns yes or no. This needs sorting asap any way thats it from me im of to play COD4 or sorry its rainbow six: 2 can not tell the differance now.
 
Posts: 11 | Registered: Thu April 24 2008Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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the new random respawn points in team deathmatch are no good.please change it back to how it was.
r6 is team based, and the update jacked that up.

everyone in the rooms i played in today are complaining. i urged them to post.

ps. please add the old skool D-pad lean.
 
Posts: 5 | Registered: Thu March 15 2007Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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if you dont want the new patch:

1-888-824-7038 this is the number but you must call during business hours everyone must do this put it in your bio's and in your motto's its not enough to just complain we must act!

-OFISHL KILLA
 
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Originally posted by SoheiFox:
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Originally posted by abc_def_ghi:
Well i hate to rain on your parade, but a lawyer has already stated that if enough people sign up, he will file the suit.
So much for your logic Roll Eyes


I think I already said this, but I'll say it again, contact information or it didn't happen. What lawyer? And yes, I will call his office to verify.

Lying won't change how the law works either.


Ha Ha...you like playing God, or RB6V police?
You are one funny guy.
If UBI doesn't fix this, or give the customers back their money, they will be sued, it's very simple.
This is America, where, in spite of you liberal azzes, we don't have to do things YOUR way, just because you want it so.
In America ANYONE can bring a civil suit against another. Now you may not like that, but this is still America, and UBI is selling their games in America, so it will be brought before an American court of civil law.
This is no longer the game that was sold to us.
Now, go back and stick your head in the sand little girl!
 
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IF YOU DONT LIKE THE RANDOM RESPAWNS CALL THIS NUMBER: 1-888-824-7038

THIS IS THE NUMBER FOR UBISOFT CUSTOMER ASSISTANCE CALL DURING BUSINESS HOURS AND SUBMIT A COMPLAINT CARD BY GIVING YOUR NAME AND IF THERE IS ENOUGH THEY WILL CHANGE THE PATCH....REMEMBER THEY WORK THERE YOU MUST BE CALM AND COMPLAIN THEN ONCE YOU HANG UP YOU CAN CALL BACK TO CURSE THEM OUT.... I DID THREE TIMES


-OFISHL KILLA
 
Posts: 26 | Registered: Wed April 23 2008Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Originally posted by SoheiFox:
Notice how a grand majority of the people complaining registered today or yesterday?

All three of you guys: here's a headsup. The developers are, in fact, intelligent enough to realize what you are doing. You can make a hundred new accounts but if they're all from the same IP range they're going to know the same people are doing it. Ubi, as a gaming company, has been around longer then most of you have been alive. (Z.O.M.B.I. was their first game, I think?)

They know that the biggest complainers are also the people with the most time on their hands, and will be checking IP's to see if all this hubbub is actually representative of the playerbase, or representative of a few whiners who liked the ability to play MP in easymode.

Quit flooding the boards. And frankly, I like it this way. Spawn camping was never "tactical". Go back to playing Halo, you little pansies. The days of easymode are over. How could you think spawn camping was ever "tactical?"

"But duhh George, dey have 5 seconds shielded time. Dey can get away or find me!" No.. no they cannot. When spawn camping, you have one, exactly one target to watch. When BEING spawn camped, you have probably 6 or 7 directions to watch. And with the blur effects even happening when you are shielded.. well gee golly gosh, the odds of you getting away alive or finding your attacker are near to zero. The camped has to run from a central point. The camper.. only has to watch that point and see which way they go.

Stop being wimps. Ubi noticed a problem in the game's online play, and they cut it off. It really burns your bottoms that now you'll have to WORK for your victories, don't it?


Your a moron. Alot of people are mad because the screwed up team deathmatch. Maybe you see some people who just registered because there so pissed off they had to register to the forum to complain and tell ubi how the screwed up. Also you have no idea what your talking about because the game is now after the update more like halo you idiot. Just spawning in random areas around them map just totally ruins teamdeamatch. Now people spawn right behind you or right in front of you invulnerable with there spawn shield. It doesnt feel like a tactical team game anymore when people are just spawning all over the map and not each team on there own side. Also about the spawn camping thats what the spawn shield is for. If the other team runs into your spawn your at an advantage because your invulnerable for a few seconds. You just like the change because suck any you couldnt even kill the people camping your spawn even when you had your spawn shield.
 
Posts: 57 | Registered: Mon March 19 2007Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Originally posted by abc_def_ghi:
If UBI doesn't fix this, or give the customers back their money, they will be sued, it's very simple.
This is America, where, in spite of you liberal azzes, we don't have to do things YOUR way, just because you want it so.
In America ANYONE can bring a civil suit against another. Now you may not like that, but this is still America, and UBI is selling their games in America, so it will be brought before an American court of civil law.
This is no longer the game that was sold to us.
Now, go back and stick your head in the sand little girl!


Took you that long to think it up?

At least you shoulda got one of your friends to be willing to pretend to be a lawyer, that way I could have looked the name and number up on the Bar Association, found nothing, and then looked the number up and found it was someone's home address. You're spoiling all my fun, child.

One more time: Just because you do not like how the law works, does not change how the law works. You cannot sue them. No matter how many times you say "Or we'll sue". That does not change the fact that you cannot sue.

Furthermore, by threatening a lawsuit, you actually leave yourself open to countersuit, which is why you contact a lawyer before comitting to a class action lawsuit.

Don't you get it yet? This is not "my" way. This is not "me" telling you what to do. This is me telling you what the American legal system does not allow you to do. You're trying to attack the person telling you that you are wrong. It's pointless. I'm not the one making you wrong. I'm not telling you "You shouldn't sue." I'm telling you you simply cannot sue. Do you understand the difference?

Once more, I urge you to contact a lawyer and learn how the law works. Do not cry about how you want the law to work. Contact a lawyer. I assure you, Ubisoft has already contacted their legal team the second the phrase "Class Action Lawsuit" popped up in their forums.

Once more, I, nor are... liberals? Telling you what to do. I am telling you that what you want to do is simply not possible.

And, if Ubi wanted to be jerks, they could slap you with a civil suit for threatening frivolous litigation. Threats are not protected speech.

...and what do liberals have to do with this? If "liberals" were involved in this they'd be crying on your side of it, not the side of the big money corporation. Can't you even get your personal attacks right?

-Edited to add this- There are few things you can do about this, legally

1) Complain

2) Boycott. You CAN threaten a boycott and not leave yourself open to attack.

3) File a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. It won't matter much, but you can do it.
 
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Is there a number for us in england ?
 
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i have a minimum of at least 7 people on my friends list alone that dont want to even play this game anymore....

and i played 4 or 5 rounds all in different servers and a majority of the players say they dont like the new system either...

Ubi has a big problem on their hands...
 
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Originally posted by SoheiFox:
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Originally posted by abc_def_ghi:
If UBI doesn't fix this, or give the customers back their money, they will be sued, it's very simple.
This is America, where, in spite of you liberal azzes, we don't have to do things YOUR way, just because you want it so.
In America ANYONE can bring a civil suit against another. Now you may not like that, but this is still America, and UBI is selling their games in America, so it will be brought before an American court of civil law.
This is no longer the game that was sold to us.
Now, go back and stick your head in the sand little girl!


Took you that long to think it up?

At least you shoulda got one of your friends to be willing to pretend to be a lawyer, that way I could have looked the name and number up on the Bar Association, found nothing, and then looked the number up and found it was someone's home address. You're spoiling all my fun, child.

One more time: Just because you do not like how the law works, does not change how the law works. You cannot sue them. No matter how many times you say "Or we'll sue". That does not change the fact that you cannot sue.

Furthermore, by threatening a lawsuit, you actually leave yourself open to countersuit, which is why you contact a lawyer before comitting to a class action lawsuit.

Don't you get it yet? This is not "my" way. This is not "me" telling you what to do. This is me telling you what the American legal system does not allow you to do. You're trying to attack the person telling you that you are wrong. It's pointless. I'm not the one making you wrong. I'm not telling you "You shouldn't sue." I'm telling you you simply cannot sue. Do you understand the difference?

Once more, I urge you to contact a lawyer and learn how the law works. Do not cry about how you want the law to work. Contact a lawyer. I assure you, Ubisoft has already contacted their legal team the second the phrase "Class Action Lawsuit" popped up in their forums.

Once more, I, nor are... liberals? Telling you what to do. I am telling you that what you want to do is simply not possible.

And, if Ubi wanted to be jerks, they could slap you with a civil suit for threatening frivolous litigation. Threats are not protected speech.

...and what do liberals have to do with this? If "liberals" were involved in this they'd be crying on your side of it, not the side of the big money corporation. Can't you even get your personal attacks right?

-Edited to add this- There are few things you can do about this, legally

1) Complain

2) Boycott. You CAN threaten a boycott and not leave yourself open to attack.

3) File a complaint with the Better Business Bureau. It won't matter much, but you can do it.


You are living proof that not everyone was born with common sense, nor a brain for that matter.
I've "threatened" no one with a lawsuit.
I was directed to the post, and commented on it.
Secondly, you ARE sadly mistaken, because a suit can and will be brought if the changes are not corrected giving the people that purchased this game, the game they purchased in the first place. Now, because you say this isn't possible does it make it so? Absolutely not.
I think you need to read up on American civil law before making comments that clearly show your ignorance on the subject.
I'm done with this thread, because if UBI doesn' either #1) give me my money back, or #2) at the very least give me the option to run the game in the manner it was sold to me, I'll be in on the class action lawsuit.
PS: That is not a threat Roll Eyes
 
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The random spawning is terrible. I know that there was alot of complaining of spawn camping. Which spawn camping is alright, I just hate the spawn raping. With this new random spawning, teams are unable to develope a strategy. Even that, I love staking out a sniper and also I liked being a sniper. Now you have to worry about having an enemy spawn in behind you for the easy kill. Also, I have noticed alot more team kills.
 
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I agree alot more team kills and kills from behind from a noob who would never kill you face 2 face. Ubi just face it you have F**Ked up put the game right.
 
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You are living proof that not everyone was born with common sense, nor a brain for that matter.
I've "threatened" no one with a lawsuit.
I was directed to the post, and commented on it.
Secondly, you ARE sadly mistaken, because a suit can and will be brought if the changes are not corrected giving the people that purchased this game, the game they purchased in the first place. Now, because you say this isn't possible does it make it so? Absolutely not.
I think you need to read up on American civil law before making comments that clearly show your ignorance on the subject.
I'm done with this thread, because if UBI doesn' either #1) give me my money back, or #2) at the very least give me the option to run the game in the manner it was sold to me, I'll be in on the class action lawsuit.
PS: That is not a threat Roll Eyes


See, now we're at an impasse, I actually AM familiar with the relevant caselaw. I do actually know for a fact I AM correct.
Start here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_procedure

This will teach you a few things. And yes, establishing a website that specifically says "UbiSoft Class Action Lawsuit Signup" Is, in fact, threatening a lawsuit. Really, it is. And a review of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_action will help you also.

Here's reference to another lawsuit attempt against something that is covered already in the Terms of Service.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/09/xbox-live-lawsuit-is-worth-pennies/

There's a lot of other links to the same suit, which has been dismissed, though they keep appealing it.

Not only are you wrong about how the law actually works, but it took me 11 seconds of searching to find precedent.
 
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I am glad Ubisoft listened to what people had to say and acted on it, but I feel in regards to the new random spawns is that the overall needed effect is headed in the right direction, but it still needs to be tweaked somewhat.

Currently I feel that we went on opposite ends of the scale. On the right is the same spawn over and over. On the left is the random spawns the patch introduced. I feel we need to find a somewhat happy medium in the middle, as the current change was a little to extreme.

The first Team Deathmatch I tried was awesome, apparently I thrive in the chaos of the spawning for I went 42 kills 20 deaths on Villa. Even though they seem to work for me, I would rather have it where the system is right and I may have less kills, but the match is more intense.

I feel that instead of having random spawns all over the map, the spawns should be broadend but still kept together. Using Villa as an example, rather than spawning only in the Garage or that one section of roof, the spawns should be widened to the whole bottom level (Garage, Pool, Deck) and the whole roof, plus maybe the stairs that lead into the bathroom from the back. Teams should also try and spawn together during the match (like 2 people together in same area, if possible).

I feel if we try this it will achieve the best results as it would be much tougher to cramp a team to one area, but also the teams would stick together and not be all over the place and behind each other. So widening the set spawns would be more ideal. With some more tweaking, Vegas 2 could be somewhat less frustrating.

Issue 2- Terrorist spawning, but i don't need to explain this.
 
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Originally posted by SoheiFox:
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Originally posted by abc_def_ghi:

You are living proof that not everyone was born with common sense, nor a brain for that matter.
I've "threatened" no one with a lawsuit.
I was directed to the post, and commented on it.
Secondly, you ARE sadly mistaken, because a suit can and will be brought if the changes are not corrected giving the people that purchased this game, the game they purchased in the first place. Now, because you say this isn't possible does it make it so? Absolutely not.
I think you need to read up on American civil law before making comments that clearly show your ignorance on the subject.
I'm done with this thread, because if UBI doesn' either #1) give me my money back, or #2) at the very least give me the option to run the game in the manner it was sold to me, I'll be in on the class action lawsuit.
PS: That is not a threat Roll Eyes


See, now we're at an impasse, I actually AM familiar with the relevant caselaw. I do actually know for a fact I AM correct.
Start here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_procedure

This will teach you a few things. And yes, establishing a website that specifically says "UbiSoft Class Action Lawsuit Signup" Is, in fact, threatening a lawsuit. Really, it is. And a review of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_action will help you also.

Here's reference to another lawsuit attempt against something that is covered already in the Terms of Service.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/09/xbox-live-lawsuit-is-worth-pennies/

There's a lot of other links to the same suit, which has been dismissed, though they keep appealing it.

Not only are you wrong about how the law actually works, but it took me 11 seconds of searching to find precedent.




I just played another hour....My opinion hasn't changed....I like the TD this way.....It did respwn me twice in front of an enemy twice in 8 match's......but other than that, If I wasn't mindful of my position, I got shot. And BTW, there are still PLENTY of positions you can hold and camp, due to the COVER system....

And I'll say somnething else....I have 180 days on r1...and I've had r62 since the beginning........and, to the tune of almost NEVER.....I have had yet to see any random team I join use ANY tactics whatsoever....before the update or after...

I just think everyone is PO'd cause they can't camp like they used to...



a note to UBI......the machine gun loop in streets never shuts off on 3 of the seven games I played......
 
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I call Ubisoft support. The guy could have cared less about my complaint. He said "There is no point complaining, the developers probably won't change it back". i asked if he could still file a complaint for me. He said he would. But really doubting that he is.

**** you Ubisoft for destroying Rainbow Six. I am now going to Boycott this game until it's fixed.
 
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