And Vegas 2 is tactical enough for me even if it could be better.Oh some of you pc gamers say its auto aim but you have never touched a console controller and if you played Vegas 2 on Xbox 360 you'd eat your own words with cherry on top.

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Originally posted by FelixK4:
KibOsh,how would TDM or even DM need tactical gameplay.I dont want to get you started or anything but serisouly most Deathmatch modes are just about getting the most kills. Every co-op terrorist hunt I've played or storymode everyone plays tacticaly and covers each other. I play totaly different once im in a versus match be it TDM or DM its all about the kill count and being #1

Well, in Vegas 2 TDM and surely DM is about the kills and being number 1. But that shouldn't be in TDM. Yes, DM is to be the number 1 but in TDM it should be the team that is number 1. That is also the reason I only play Attack & Defend on High Stakes mode with 3 respawns. A&D would even be better if the pointing system got adjusted. Now the guy that for example saves a hostage, get the points. These points should be given to the complete team, or even better, the guy's that are close to the guy that is saving that hostage. Also when the level is finished you should see these points clearly. So that you know you got points for covering the team. That would improve the teamplay big time.

But it wasn't always like that. In a real tactical shooter you woudn't be able to survive if you played solo in a TDM (DM, yes, because this mode is made to play solo). When I played Raven Shield (in my eyes the last good RB6, yes the ones before were in a way better, but rvs was still good enough) you could see it very clear. When a team played solo, that team was losing all the time, then a guy would start typing: Guy's stick together!!!, and after some more typing like that, the team would stick together and started also winning. These are things I'm missing in Vegas because it isn't needed anymore to win in TDM. In A&D you still need to stay together so I only play this mode.

Now for the people that say in these posts that we old school gamers are to old and can't handle the game properly then you are very wrong. Yes, we can't win against people like Phobia_x. That guy is just to good, but we aren't bad at it and here is the prove: http://www.outcast.be/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=564... At this time OGC takes up the number 2 and 4 spot in the A&D mode for the PC. So stop saying we can't play the game. Yes, the young generation is better in this type of games. But read correctly, this type of game.

I'm very sorry that Phobia_x got so many hostile reply's. In my first post (second in the thread) I was only stating that his video was a good example of what became of the RB6 series. This is also one of the reasons that these forums are so hostile. At this time they don't make realistic tactical shooters anymore for CQB action. The last good one was SWAT4. Ok, there is AA and some Mods like Insurgency but they all look very old. And them came the Vegas games. The Rainbow Six Fans of the original games are off course very angry about what has become of it. Vegas is an arcade shooter and nothing more. Add with that the lack of support of NoobieSoft and all the bugs, missing features etc... en yep, you have the most hostile forums of the world. But there are some good guy's over here, and yes, from time to time even we "older" gamers go over the line because we are only humans, angry humans when we talk about NoobieSoft.

@Phobia_X: You are a cool guy in my books and a very good player. It's not your fault that RB6 is what it has become, that is NoobieSoft's fault. I'm amazed how you kept your calm after all those reply's. Thumbs up for you
And you are surely free to love the game for what it is, just like others like me are free to hate what it has become to.

@That guy that is saying in some posts that people didn't see the vids of the tournament play, easy to answer: You need to register on that site to see them, and I'm not going to do that. Also because a clan plays very good together, if they are a well oiled machine in the game, doesn't mean the game is realistic or tactical. When you join solo a match the game should be made that teamplay is very important. So for the not knowers of tactical shooters: Download the "free" HL2 mod "Insurgency" and you will see how a game can enforce people to play together. It's just a shame that Insurgency was made on the old HL2 engine, because it looks like a HL2 game. But then, it's a free mod so you can't expect miracles.

@All the rest that love realistic gameplay: Let's all hope BlackFoot Studio's is going to release Ground Branch next year and that the game is gonna be what it is said to be. Then we all can leave this NoobieSoft for what it is, and move on to a better place...

well i counted around 50 kills in over 5 maps.


woo hooo i can do that in one round.
http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/natural/ec6c55b5...648c8ec360130388.png

http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/natural/e2c03bb5...0ddb999313ac48b7.png


i could dam near do that with pistol alone
http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/natural/845eacd4...5ea4d893b253f945.png

this is what it would look like me vs your whole team phobia
http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/natural/8f794cf7...cb5083965ea3ea4c.png

as a matter of fact my whole team all can do that
http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/natural/ecef305b...775629603a0e6caa.png


here is me killing more ppl in one ten minute round then your entire video
http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/natural/10b4a7f7...681dd595abfba3ef.png



so lesson to be learned mlg is bunch of noobs and your video sucked.

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Originally posted by Techbone:
And Vegas 2 is tactical enough for me even if it could be better.Oh some of you pc gamers say its auto aim but you have never touched a console controller and if you played Vegas 2 on Xbox 360 you'd eat your own words with cherry on top.

i use a controller on pc and you would never touch me dude i played on console also and you guys suck with you constant s#$% talking when i own you guys

Breathe in through your nose and out through your mouth. It will help you calm down.

By the way, Stats mean actually nothing to me when I play. I don't play Kill count gamemodes, only objective. I would rather have my teammates capture satellites than go hugely positive in their K/D ratio.

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Originally posted by SS.I-KilleR-I:
i use a controller on pc and you would never touch me dude i played on console also and you guys suck with you constant s#$% talking when i own you guys

If I recall correctly the "SS" already lost the war in 1945, so what are you still doing here?

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Originally posted by KibOsh:

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Originally posted by SS.I-KilleR-I:
i use a controller on pc and you would never touch me dude i played on console also and you guys suck with you constant s#$% talking when i own you guys

If I recall correctly the "SS" already lost the war in 1945, so what are you still doing here?

lmao it stands for suicide solution!! like we are your solution if you want to kill yourself. we will kill you free of charge 24/7


visit us at WWW.SUICIDESOLUTIONCLAN.COM

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Originally posted by polemic:
Could you then perhaps enlighten us as to how your ideal multiplayer Rainbow Six game should look like in terms of characterisitcs that would theoretically please the "veteran" crowd" ? What is it that you are so desperately craving ? Is it the laborious planning session before the game ? Is it the stealth aspect involving a one hour strategic assault of a building culminating in 30 seconds of bullet time ?

If it's the sneaky stealthy aspect, give me a break. No operative groups on this planet operate that way....go and try a few rounds of "The Regiment" to experience the most realistic operative gaming experience from a gaming simulation perspective.

You simply can't accept the fact that there are indeed folks out there that are enjoying and playing Vegas....and they really don't care one iota about how the game looked or played back in 1998. That's progress and evolution...get with the program !

I can't answer for RLCSeMPeRFi, but I can give my own answer to this. On the other hand, as far as multiplayer goes, I don't really do much MP, so my answer concerns only the single player (SP) aspect of FPS games. I am aware that we are in a MP oriented thread but it just happens this way unfortunately.

First, about what you call the laborious planning session, let me say that when you get used to this tool, it isn't laborious anymore for two cents. For instance, let's suppose you want two teams to breach the room with four tangos in the first level (Oil Refinery) of Raven Shield. It should take you only 5 minutes to set up the whole plan: you place three teams and you set up two paths complete with go codes up the two doors to be breached for two of those teams. That is all. When you play the mission, you use the third team (unplanned) to clear the paths used by the other teams, and when this is done, you just use the go codes and let the other teams do the simultaneous entries into the room (or any other hot zone). Of course, you have to know how to use the planning tools properly and you have to know the map, but once this is done, no planning is supposed to be laborious nor take you more than 5 minutes to set up. And this is fun! And this is extremely satisfying when the action is done promptly and with success.

Now, those who don't want to use the planning phase don't have to. This feature is an option. The master keyword about Raven Shield is options.

About the unrealistic stealth aspect of Raven Shield, you're right in saying that no CT team would ever run an assault this way and that ''The Regiment'' is a much more realistic simulation. On the other hand, I don't think any people here ever said they want a simulator. Myself prefer R6 to remain a game, and most importantly, a game that has replayability. You remember when I told you that Raven Shield can be The Regiment, Far Cry and Splinter Cell all at once? This is the benefit of a game that can be played with very different play styles (team tactics, run'n'gun, Rambo, stealthy, etc) and with a large spectrum of complexity (from unplanned Lone Wolf to detailed planning with multiple teams). Raven Shield can be played by both tac sim fans and by casual gamers.

About your reference about the original game from 1998, please give the series a fair chance and use the game from 2003 (Raven Shield) as a reference instead. I don't think any FPS in the whole history can pretend to be better and have more replayability than Raven Shield.

Finally, I know that I've already told you this, but again, removing 85% of the features of a game (intelligent and believable story, multiple teams, planning phase, switching souls, non-linear maps, map editor and modding tools, SP game modes, SADS, etc) isn't what I call ''progress and evolution''... and I will never get with the program!

Now, on a side note...

I have played the single player campaign of COD4 only recently. I have hesitated a long time to play this game because the COD series isn't my kind of game since this is just an interactive movie that is way too scripted and has no replayability.

On the other hand, now that I have played it, and although that it's still an interactive movie like the previous titles of the series, I must say that the campaign was simply amazing and immersive.

I have to give it to Infinity Ward: although they do use old game tricks of the past (scripts, corridor maps, etc), they nonetheless truly master their art.

The amazing thing achieved by COD4 is that even though this is a pure arcade game with absolutely no intension to travesty itself as a tactical shooter, this game conveys a much better feel of special forces than the current vintage of R6 games. For instance, the first mission on the cargo boat gives you the feeling that you really are with a terrifically efficient SF squad team. No doubt that those idiots called Michael and Jung would have their asses handed to them if they got to meet my COD4 buddies. And my COD4 buddies are truly professional in their voice communications; they don't say patter like ''with pleasure'' and ''bagged and tagged'' all the time.

The other interesting thing about COD4 is the story. Of course there are odd moments inside of it, but overall, this is a very believable story and that story is related efficiently and with a true cinematographic feel. There is no single boring moment in that game. All of those things cannot be said at all from R6V; rather, this is pretty obvious that the R6 Vegas dev team is totally incompetent at story telling (among other things).

On a final comment, I will say that this is truly ironic that a 100% arcade game like COD4 succeed more at conveying realism, authenticity and real special forces feel than the current pseudo-called tactical shooter that is fraudulently called R6...

Did I talk about COD4's music? Truly as good as the theme of the next Hollywood movie with a budget over 100 millions. Well, that's no wonder that the music composer for COD4 (Harry Gregson-Williams) is a guy that has made themes for movies...

Oh, and I could continue on the fact that COD4 runs flawlessly, without bugs, with better graphics than R6V2 and so on, but if I get into this, I will never finish that post, so enough said.

Shame on that bunch of amateur modders collectively called Ubisoft!

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i forgot how easy it was to kill people from the hip. it's super accurate in this game.

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Originally posted by Real720:
i forgot how easy it was to kill people from the hip. it's super accurate in this game.

yup, they need to do away with the reticule all together. Instead, i bet ubisoft ends up doing away with iron sighting and makes it all shoot from the hip with a ret.

@xoops....why so serious ? I won't indulge in a discussion that revolves around vehemently rationalising a subject that is purely subjective. I find Vegas absolutely exhilarating, period.

@McMilFn...your avatar is teeny-tiny....I liked the previous one better. And you still haven't told me where you got that from.....cough it up !

ms kleaneasy decided it was inapropriate and removed it. I guess that Canada isnt so free after all if they gotta censor art.

How can you say it isn't free if you accepted the terms & agreements when you signed up for these forums.

Think about it.

@SS.I-Killer-I

Wow the arrogance here is kind of astounding... see the other guy (phobia_x) was just being creative and adding something to this forum other than anti UBI banter, but considering you have taken it upon yourself to point out how "1337" you are I think I should point out the fact that you still had 17% accuracy while shooting your mouth off and even then it was against people of a much lower rank than you... BIG MAN

Oh speaking of solutions, here is one for you... get the snip mate we don't need more people like you in the world ^^

I think we need to stop flaming this "phobia_x" kid and realize that tom clancy: rainbow six vegas 2 IS now oficcially a casual shooter. He's just playing the game the way it's played nowadays, sadly.

Maybe in Rainbow six 4, they make the game good again.

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Originally posted by phobia_x:
How can you say it isn't free if you accepted the terms & agreements when you signed up for these forums.

Think about it.

This guy knows what's up!

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Originally posted by taj75755:
I think we need to stop flaming this "phobia_x" kid and realize that tom clancy: rainbow six vegas 2 IS now oficcially a casual shooter. He's just playing the game the way it's played nowadays, sadly.

I agree . Dont blame phobias success for ubisofts failure.

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Originally posted by SS.I-KilleR-I:
well i counted around 50 kills in over 5 maps.


woo hooo i can do that in one round.
http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/natural/ec6c55b5...648c8ec360130388.png

http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/natural/e2c03bb5...0ddb999313ac48b7.png


i could dam near do that with pistol alone
http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/natural/845eacd4...5ea4d893b253f945.png

this is what it would look like me vs your whole team phobia
http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/natural/8f794cf7...cb5083965ea3ea4c.png

as a matter of fact my whole team all can do that
http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/natural/ecef305b...775629603a0e6caa.png


here is me killing more ppl in one ten minute round then your entire video
http://screenshot.xfire.com/screenshot/natural/10b4a7f7...681dd595abfba3ef.png



so lesson to be learned mlg is bunch of noobs and your video sucked.

P H O T O S H O P

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Originally posted by McMilFn:
ms kleaneasy decided it was inapropriate and removed it. I guess that Canada isnt so free after all if they gotta censor art.

I doubt that kleaneasy is Canadian...UK most likely. I'm Canadian and I loved your avatar (blush)....I think we should delegate that avatar to SISSI_Killer, since he appears awfully Alpha with an epeen issue. Love Orb_vs's comment !

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Originally posted by McMilFn:
ms kleaneasy decided it was inapropriate and removed it. I guess that Canada isnt so free after all if they gotta censor art.

Funny you say that, over the last weeks, I somewhat noticed that most (if not all?) moderation is done by people based on UK or US.

It's a conspiracy I tell you!