What seems to be the problem?

My idea isn't set in stone. It can and should be discussed

Personally I just think there is a void due to the absence of a swamp city, the absence of a more spiritually leaning faction, find it strange and unlikely that all the different factions believe in the dragons and I like the way their society works and such.- Not to mention that Fortress is one of my favorite factions of all times.

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Originally posted by Moragauth:
However, are not Cherubs little baby angels?

For my knowledge, Cherub in literature is used as synonym to refer to children (like Dostoevsky uses it), but that's the only reference with babies/children I know.
By the way, nice links

@Dane, I just say that maybe there shouldn't necessarily be an alternative upgrade for Archangels.
And yes, it is a different world, but nonetheless a rib of Adam

Justice, please make them have Magic Guild 4 and 5

The shamanistical view of the world is a large part of their "story" which I might go into more details about, once I find out what part Dane didn't like so they must at least have Magic Guild lvl 4.

Currently I've stolen a PC at a birthday party though, so it'll probably wait till tomorrow.- So will the other faction.

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Originally posted by Justice:
I don't think Minotaurs fit into the Stronghold faction, but that's probably mostly due to them always having been in zhe Dungeon. They could just revolt and kick the Dark Elves in the rear end or becoem neutrals

Since the former situation would require a miracle (a single warlock could decimate their entire population, not even considering the dark elf fighting units), the latter is more likely, and preferrable, IMO. Perhaps they will revolt and escape.

A single Warlock would have great difficulties killing of several hundred thousands minotaurs I think

But the rebellion part was more because I disliek the Dark Elves as a faction, than because I want it to happen. A small joke for myself

Empowered Meteor Shower or Implosion would get the job done. Or even Armageddon. Their growth rate barely surpasses that of the fury, and they are not powerful. It is no problem.

But their growth rate doesn't enter into the picture. All in all there must be several hundred thousand minotaurs and no spells can kill that many in the 3, 4, 5 or even 6 turns it could take them to reach the caster

But of course it wouldn't be a single caster defending himself in a rebellion and the casters wouldn't be alone.

Empowered Armageddon + Warlock's Luck + high SP = genocide. I don't believe they even approach a few thousands in any given location, let alone hundreds of thousands. Anyway, back on topic, unless some suitable faction comes up, I think they're best off as neutrals.

Well that would probably be the best, although it could be fun if they were developed a bit then instead of just being minotaurs, you know, a few other minotaur types creating a little sub faction among the neutrals: Minotaurs, minotaur sorcerers and minotaur kings.. stuff like that..

Also i have been pondering, but wouldn't it be interesting to see Inferno with some demon worshipping humans among it's troops ?

Yes, it's pretty peculiar that they don't have any in Ashan, or none that are visible.

Or if they are there then they hide among the other factions, because that is what they did in ToE it would seem.. I mean it would have been nice if there was at least one bit to show their allegiance to the forces of Kha-Beleth. Oh well perhaps HoMM VI might change that.

It would be a bit idiotic to show your allegiance openly when Kha-Beleth is locked up and away. It would result in the other empires to declare those folks as enemies right away, being as they would be bound to try and free the demons.

But for HoMM VI it might be a bit more sane if the other empires have started fighting amongst themselves again.

True, but the Necromancers are in a similar position, being marginalized themselves.

Oh they would be in hiding, but when the demons appear, they would be right besides them.. plus any major uprisings that always seem to happen.. I mean just look at Europe in the dark ages, plenty of different religions popping up and so..

Plenty and popping up is not what I've ben told of them. More like lingering on in the hidden and being discovered now and then - mostly as "heretical" forms of Christianity which have been tainted/merged with old beliefs or interpreted in a new way. But I must admit I'm no expert on that subject.

Regarding the Necromancers, then they probably are a bit harder to exterminate being as only on Nexromancer in hiding can continue the faction, but I see your point.- Although I personally find the Demons to be more of a "clear" enemy, being as not all Necromancers want everyone to die.

But as long as it is believeable then I'm ok with humans joining them, although I don't think there should be too many humans in the faction.

Oh no ! The demons should be the majority, the humans would also serve in the lower tiers, generally vanguard stuff and otherwise inexpensive front line troops, also don't the necromancers have the kingdom of Heresh ? and other places.. yeah they would hide in tombs and ruins, but who says they can't have servants ? I mean there were blackguards in Dark Messiah and other servants... Well just a thought actually.. But an interesting one if you ask me.

Frankly, we have such precedent - the cult of Baa (praise Baa by the way), so the idea isn't actually new to the M&M universe as a whole. But remember that these cultists are supposed to "live" in the infernal towns (that's where the building which "produces" them is situated in any case) - something which I can't actually imagine, if we aren't talking about slaves for labour - i.e. non-military population, or very high level demonologists (or something like that), which should be very few in the world. In any case, I don't find the idea of "cultist-productioning" very appealing - the cultists are recruited from the other factions and are by no means "trained" to be such. It's like a school for heresy... by the way this doesn't sound very bad.

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Originally posted by ImperialDane:
also don't the necromancers have the kingdom of Heresh ? and other places.. yeah they would hide in tombs and ruins, but who says they can't have servants ?

I sertainly don't say so I was just thinking that they are harder to exterminate and therefore folks are less likely to try to exterminate them. But as I said, believable and I'm cool about it.

Most followers of Baa didn't know they served the Kreegan. They were tricked by the appearance of the cult, which helped the poor and gave shelter to those lowest in society and such. Only the very high level high priests knew about the actual purpose of the cult, and the cult again drew suport from all factions, produced spies, distributed chaos and such stuff... I do wonder how they got all those thousands of old white bearded men though

But yes, it would be easier for the humans to be heroes or something like that. For them to actually be a part of the faction itself (willingly) would be hard to present in a believable way I think.

How they would live there ? Well considering that this might be their paradise.. why wouldn't they want to be there ? :P
Otherwise one could imagine that they might live in cities on the outskirts of the inferno itself, thereby also acting as a buffer..

Otherwise they could just be neutrals, altered versions of the units where they hide, for example footmen with a more sinister touch or priests with blood stained robes ! or mages carying all sorts of demonic artifacts..

Well, they could consider this a paradise, but will the demons allow them to dwell among them, that's the actual question? The low-level cultists (like the casual followers of Baa for instance) could be just wronged sheeps, like Justice mentioned, or mindless zealots, serving not the demons themselves, but their own bloodthirsty nature (am I a poet or what...), but when they see with their own eyes what the demons actually do - this could be too much for them. In other words - the infernal lords are interested in keeping a low profile when dealing with their own cultists and using... hm... misinformation, not showing them, say, how the demons teleport to the world, how they breed Hell Hounds, how they torture foes and friends alike and so on. Only the most powerful cult leaders should be aware of all this, and such leaders are more likely to be heroes than "recruitable creatures". Can you imagine for instance a unit like Master Demonologist in a stack with 300-400 fellow-workers? Seems a bit inappropriate to me.