I like Heroes 5 and am impressed by a lot of what Nival has done here, but it certainly could have been better and if there's a Heroes 6 it would definitely be better off in the hands of a developer that would be able to concentrate more on that particular project rather than turning out another generic fantasy-based strategy game along with everything else they're working on.

I voted for choice #2. There were obviously flaws in the game, and they've failed to meet expected deadlines. BUT, this is their first attempt at this game and they WILL improve. For people who say that NWC didn't need to practice with thier first Heroes game, you're not realizing that they also didn't have to compare Heroes 1 to any previous game either. They didn't have an unbelievably picky fan-base to criticize their every move. Following in the footsteps of a legend is never an easy proposition. And considering the backlash that Heroes 4 created, taking a step back to h3 and then trying to create their OWN identity to move forward with is pretty much the only viable option Nival/Ubi had. But considering the critics here in this forum...Nival/Ubi will never be able to create their own vision without constant comparisons to NWC. I love NWC to death, but sorry folks, they weren't perfect. H4 and MM9 proved that (even if 3do was mostly to blame for those results).

I'm indifferent...
I want to feel that they'll improve but yet this voice inside me screams that they won't...

i vote no!
for me a corporation that at the least launches a game with out a proper beta test, it's not a good choise.

Umm... there was a beta test...

I dont realy know havent voted! Yes there is big flaws in the game. But they did listen somtimes, i know many of you dont belive this but they did!

Well now ubi knows nival and nival knows ubi! Im left withe the questuin could h5 eaver be presived as a good game? I mean it was dommed to be disliked by many from the start.

at first i might have voted yes for nival....

but then i found out that the map editor that is going to be released will have a built in, hardcoded, eight town victory condition.

which means as soon as any player captures eight towns, they win the map.

as soon as i found out about this absolutely unbelievably stupid thing that nival has done to the map editor, i now change my vote and say that nival shoulnt even be allowed to continue to develop HOMM V, nevermind HOMM VI.

any game developer that would put a hardcoded eight town victory condition in their map editor obviously has no idea what they are doing.

wow, that seems incredibly.... dumb, i dont know why thats necessary. Why?

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Originally posted by myythryyn:
at first i might have voted yes for nival....

but then i found out that the map editor that is going to be released will have a built in, hardcoded, eight town victory condition.

which means as soon as any player captures eight towns, they win the map.

as soon as i found out about this absolutely unbelievably stupid thing that nival has done to the map editor, i now change my vote and say that nival shoulnt even be allowed to continue to develop HOMM V, nevermind HOMM VI.

any game developer that would put a hardcoded eight town victory condition in their map editor obviously has no idea what they are doing.

Only eight towns victory condition? that's just lame. There should be around 16 towns limit instead of 8. Oh well, what done is done. So they might not change it at all after awhile, maybe until the expansion is release (or maybe not). I know that this is Nival first time in developing a sequal and it is difficult to make it into a game like heroes III and IV. However, they started on planning and developing this game two years ago(I think, correct me if I'm wrong) so why is there a lot of bugs still in the game? In my opinion, Nival should not be allow to develop the next game in the might and magic genre at all due to their poor effort and support with this game.

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any game developer that would put a hardcoded eight town victory condition in their map editor obviously has no idea what they are doing.

First of all, we aren't sure we know the whole story yet, in fact we probably don't. Maybe it's not really as "hard coded" as people decided it was when they first heard about it and there are some contingencies on this victory condition. It's not a random, new idea either, it worked well in the the Warlords series where capturing half the cities on the map would get the computer players to offer to surrender, though you didn't have to accept and this only happened if there were no other active human-controlled sides. In Heroes 5, if controlling eight towns means it will be a simple matter of mopping up from then on anyway, I don't think it's unreasonable.

Give it to someone else, definetly. I'm still waiting to see what will Nival do to the Barbarians, though.

I voted option 2, At least they now have experience! This is good, so long as they don't make the horrid mistakes they did with retail HOMM V and don't delay their patches by weeks, I would be happy for them to do HOMM VI. HOwever if they do no better with HOMM VI then HOMM VII Should definately be done by someone else!!! So yeah, do HOMM VI Nival, but don't you dare let us down again....or else!

HoMM 7? Oh, who should we choose for Heroes 14?
Anyway - if not Nival then who? Let's see what the others can show!

I'm not sure yet [we still hopefully have a year or two of patching ahead of us] but based on the current state of the game I don't believe that Nival should be retained for HoMM6.

Nival has missed some deadlines but honestly I don't hold that against them. I'm perfectly happy to wait until they get things right before they come out with updates. [I.E. the map editor .. if it was working they'd have shipped it ... I'd be happy enough to wait until they get a decent product to ship]

As for the game shipping without a map editor, better documentation, better balance, etc. [all the things that would be dooable with more time IMHO] I actually blame UBI for. As a developer myself I can't possibly imagine that Nival would be happy shipping H5 in the state that it was .... [NOTE I'd have been happy if H5 came out this Christmas if everything would have been perfect]

Other people argue that Nival is somehow incompetent. I believe their programmers are reasonably talented and I don't think that stupidity / ignorance / incompetance has anything to do with the state of HoMM.

What I do have a problem with though isn't the execution of their design it's with a lot of the decisions that went into the game itself.

From the "vibe" that I get it seems like once Nival makes a decision they don't really pay attention to any constructive criticism. If you have an attitude of "I'm right so you must be wrong" and you'll only listen to others when there's a revolt [I.E. the petition of earlier this year] that doesn't add up to what I'd like to see out of a developer of ANY software ... let alone game software.

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Originally posted by KingAlamar:
I'm not sure yet [we still hopefully have a year or two of patching ahead of us]

year of two? O_O BUAHAHA. Now these are the days we now virtually accept that games should by some kind of twisted nature come out unfinnished and bugged and with crippled gameplay and then wait another 2 years with it to be fixed/improved?

That's just so scary. Where are the times when games were just released (or even in beta) and were already superb and made to the expectations or even above!

There weren't so many "nice graphical trick" that can just disguide some1 judging the game gameplay or complexivity or crativity.

The games weren't so pretty and flashy, but they were finished, and developers had so much work in makein' it to look best with the hardest way to do this. Manually and creative, not just "like they paid me for".

Now all the hope is with the modders (like it was with SHunter III) than can do things that a long time ago in the Galaxy... programmers did.

And ofc I voted No. Never. Nada. I don't wan't Nival to do anything more that will waste my money and likeness for a good serie.

If someone reads Russian, he/she might find this article about Heroes V development interesting. It answers some of the most common questions concerning Heroes V features and problems.

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I don't read Ruski. I speak only polish & english.

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I don't read Ruski.

Sorry about confusing you, I did not replied to your post.

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Originally posted by KingAlamar:
I'm not sure yet [we still hopefully have a year or two of patching ahead of us]

year of two? O_O BUAHAHA. Now these are the days we now virtually accept that games should by some kind of twisted nature come out unfinnished and bugged and with crippled gameplay and then wait another 2 years with it to be fixed/improved?

Nowhere did I say that was my preference but with one or two more expansions coming out I think we've easily got another year of patching ahead of us and if UBI / Nival are dedicated to the game perhaps 2 years of patching before everything is "perfect".

After all we still need to get the map editor out, the campaign editor out [which is NOT part of the map editor so rumor says], an overhaul to the AI, rebalance of all factions [to make play more even no matter the difficulty level, map size, and/or how rich or poor the map is]. It could easily take the standard sized patching staff a year or two to do the above.

This is one of the reasons that I'd prefer to have waited for HoMM 5 until Christmas of this year. Then the full staff could have worked on making the game perfect and then there'd be no question that I'd pick up things like multiple HoMM5 expansions, DMoM, etc.

lol, that's very and very interesting article.
at first it's really interesting that's all dialogs are created by Ubi, not by Nival and overall a lot of things are designed or changed by Ubi.