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FPS games are just not meant to be played on consoles

"What planet are you on" Read the article on Shadowrun below for the whole Mouse V game controller issue.

I hear the PC gamers didn't have an advantage at all, quite the opposite infact.

http://shadowrun.com/backstage/controller_balancing.htm


1st person shooters are the most popular games played on consoles online.

(Just sticking up for us console gamers)

They say that the 2 most demanding games for PC so far are Bioshock and Crysis.

I have no idea what the difference is when looking at Bioshock on a HDTV Xbox 360 or PC - but if what I read was right then the 360 did well in getting a port of a game that is so demanding for PC users.

So I am thinking the console could handle a toned down version of FarCry2, I would hope at some point it comes to consoles even though it might be like the case with the original FarCry.
PC version is a different and as they say more superior game in both single/multi player.

As a console gamer this would be on anyone's wish list, looks excellent. I hope it lives up to the hype.

I don't want to have to go out and purchase an all singing all dancing state of the art PC just to play a few games like this and Crysis but the facts are the PC usually always has the better version/gets the games 1st in most cases/games are cheaper to buy and extra content is usually free to download.

So who knows I might be forced into getting a new PC someday.

Shadowrun Nerfed the PC play. The sensitivity and cursor and overall play style was not in line with PC Fps, the game was made to handicap the PC users. If you took BF2 or any other game with PC players vs Controller players with everything else being equal there is no way Pc players dont ravage them..

bioshock is a bad example since it was made with the xbox as target platform. that's why PC users got only a different controlscheme and forgettable, minor enhancements for DX9 and DX10. we can get better resolutions but that's no real feature. what the pc did not get was high-res textures and more effects which would have been easy to implement.
Wait for GearsOfWar for an example how to port a game to the PC: rewrite it.
Problem nowadays is you should make a game for the superior platform (PC atm) and then downgrade to PS3, 360 in the next step. so everybody's happy.
The way it is down nowadays it's no wonder kids think consoles are up to par with the pc

PS: if you read the shadowrun article thoroughly you can see that they nerfed the mouse and left the responses sluggish.
but devs will always tell you it was a "design choice" rather than: concession to our publisher and marketdemand of better consoles.

just see BioShock, an awesome game but to xbox-y in controls, it feels sluggish on the PC.
every screenshot during the ad campaign was from the xbox version, every gameplayvideo was from the xbox version. if PC is released it is carefully chosen not to surpass the XBOX screenshots or someone @the company gets fired.

To a large degree it's a bit pointless to argue which platforms play specific games better, regardless of type, because console games are written for consoles and PC games are written for PC. From the control scripting down to the graphics there is no game out there that is a perfect barometer for comparison because of this.

That being said there is so much more complexity to a PC's hardware that there is much more potential for advancements consoles lack. The problem, however, is in that complexity the PC games take much longer to write and are less desirable projects to many devs because of it.

This is why there are so many console titles being rapidly cranked out anymore. Still though, I'd rather have quality over quantity. There are select few types of games I like anyway.

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Originally posted by Cobra522:
For example I heard Crysis at minimum takes 1GB of ram and you need to have a video card that has 256MB on it just to play the game on minimum requirements.

You heard wrong. CryTek has never said that.
The system requirements for Crysis should fall back 3 years for modern computers. All the "fansites" don't mean ****.
Oh and for the record, dont "prove" something supported by something you dont even know.

Have a nice day.

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Originally posted by the_assassin_07:
I don't really mind as long as the system requirements aren't high.

They're going to be high.

This really sucks...
I love this series so much, and want the actual thing for 360, not a different version. I still would love to see the original Far Cry for 360.
I guess I'll be without this game for quite a while, until I can upgrade my compute sufficiently.

I play pc and 360, but pc-only players have to stop complaining. Pretty much every fps that comes on both is always more for the pc. Look at GRAW and GRAW2 for example. They are much better on the pc. You just get one bad port for vegas, and all of a suden nobody cares about you anymore. Basicly every game that requires thought is always better on the pc. I don't know why devs don't realize that titles like those have a huge market on the 360. Pretty much every gamer over 17 wants a title that requires thought.

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Originally posted by snapkracklepop:
Look at GRAW and GRAW2 for example. They are much better on the pc. You just get one bad port for vegas, and all of a suden nobody cares about you anymore.

Just get one bad port? You seem to forget about Splinter cell Double Agent; a port at least as cheap as Vegas, if not more. And you seem to forget about R6 Lockdown; a game that is already so bad on the consoles, you really have to wonder how someone can be twisted enough to even think about porting it to the PC. And like it wasn't enough, ''Letdown'' was ported from the PS2 code base...

As for GRAW (PC) and GRAW 2 (PC), those games have non-existent AI inside. I really mean NO AI (friendly or enemy)! And have you heard of Silent Hunter IV? A bug festival! The devs of SHIV even though about a shortcut to exit the game; you just have to hit the 'A' key...

Don't think that because UBI makes a game ''specifically for the PC'' (GRAW 2 selling argument), it means that it's going to be a good game, or even just a functional game for that matter. Keep in mind that UBI, as a publicly owned corporation, just cares about stockholders; UBI has to churn out huge volumes of products to earn enough profit for those people. That these products are functional or not isn't the business of UBI; as long as people buy those products, things are perfect for UBI and its stockholders.

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Originally posted by snapkracklepop:
Basicly every game that requires thought is always better on the pc.

Well, I'm going to make two comparisons between PC and console platforms here...

1) In order to buy a Xbox 360, you have to pay 500$ for it. Of course, you might want to get a HDTV to make the most of your console, but you might want a HDTV anyway right?. Then you are done for 4 or 5 years before the next next next next gen stuff kicks in.

Now, in order to buy a gaming PC, you have to spend something like 2000$ for it. And you have to be able to upgrade parts every six months. And you have to be able to buy an whole new system two years latter. And the cycle goes on and on...

2) In order to play games on the Xbox 360, you go to the shopping center and buy that 360. No need to know how a console works. And when you want to play a game, you insert the DVD in the drive and you're done!

Now, in order to play games on PC, you have to begin by buying an adequate gaming rig, which means you have to know about CPUs, GPUs, shader models, overclocking, etc. And it goes without saying that many PC gamers build their own rig themselves. Then, you have to be able to defrag your HDD, properly install the game, patch it, update the drivers, update the hardware parts, and even re-flash the BIOS if necessary. And you have to be able to set the right options for your rig and manually tweak some configuration files if necessary.

From observation (or comparison) 1), one can reasonably assume that PC customers are more wealthy than console customers (on average). Thus developers/publishers can expect the PC customer base to be whether older than the console customer base (which gave them time to pile up some money) or more educated and better paid (by being professionals, physicians, engineers, PhDs in organic chemistry, etc).

From observation (or comparison) 2), one can make the reasonable assumption that the PC customer base is more apt to problem solving than the console customer base (on average). This second assumption can also be inferred from our first hypothesis that many PC owners are professionals who are often involved in problem solving.

So yes, there must be a reason why good privately owned developers/publishers gear the too rare ''thinking man'' games to the PC market. And there must be a reason why a publicly owned publisher like Ubisoft doesn't bother with niche products for the ''thinking man'' market, but instead focus on easy arcade ''Halo III''-esque stuff for the console ''mass market''.

Originally posted by Andrew bell

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You heard wrong. CryTek has never said that.
The system requirements for Crysis should fall back 3 years for modern computers. All the "fansites" don't mean ****.
Oh and for the record, dont "prove" something supported by something you dont even know.

Well i did said at minimum requirements, so technically you could put that game on the Average gamers pc its just that your computer is probaly going to blow after a few seconds LOL . Besides that were did you find the system requirements ? Like me you have no proof or backup information to pull you out so you better shut up about me be inaccurate since you said something that was is inaccurate. Oh yeah I forgot that I only said i heard so I never said the minimum requirements are at 1 Gb i just said I heard that the minimum requirements are 1 GB. Well it looked like that comment made you look pretty stupid now. The joke is on you Andrewbell06.

PS. Somebody said that the PC version's graphic are way better than the xbox's version is well i have to agree with you. The PC version looks better than the xbox version and is about the same for the 360.

What's with all the Deleted bashing Far Cry Instincts? I played the PC version and the Xbox version and WAY preferred the Xbox version. There is so much more to it, and the MP is far superior to the PC version.

Personally, I can't wait till they make a console next-gen far cry based on Far Cry 2.

Oh, and in regards to people saying shooters belong on PC - what a joke. I used to be a die hard PC gamer, but once I got ahold of my Xbox I have never looked back. I personally think shooters and basically ALL game genre's (except srategy) belong on consoles. When you play shooters on the Xbox it is just SO much more natural. You feel as if you are holding the gun, especially with the triggers for buttons.

Console gaming is where it's at, period. PC gaming is just being left in the dust. And more and more game dev companies are realizing this. That's why there are basically no companies left that are exclusive to PC's.

Oh, and to the person saying you have to pay $500 for a 360, that's completely wrong. You can now get a 360 for $279 brand new. Like you said, even if you were to get an HDTV to compete with PC graphics, you can use it for everything, PC, cable, DVD, HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, everything.

Keep gaming on your little monitor at your uncomfortable desk PC gamers. I will be sitting on my nice couch playing my next gen systems on my 100" projector screen at a fraction of the cost. Oh, and I also won't be worried if the game I put in will play right. I also don't have to worry about upgrading all the time.

Gaming was just meant for consoles.

Although xoops, I disagree with you about the "thinking man" games being on PC and "arcade" like games on consoles. I have seen many stupid horrible games on PC's, and I have also seen many intelligent games on them as well. Same thing goes for consoles. There are many MANY brilliant "thinking man" games on consoles.

2nd and last warning. Flaming and trolling is not tolerated on these forums.

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Originally posted by blakemooney18:
Oh, and to the person saying you have to pay $500 for a 360, that's completely wrong. You can now get a 360 for $279 brand new. Like you said, even if you were to get an HDTV to compete with PC graphics, you can use it for everything, PC, cable, DVD, HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, everything.

Keep gaming on your little monitor at your uncomfortable desk PC gamers. I will be sitting on my nice couch playing my next gen systems on my 100" projector screen at a fraction of the cost. Oh, and I also won't be worried if the game I put in will play right. I also don't have to worry about upgrading all the time.

Thanks for supporting my first argument.

By the way, games like tactical shooters require careful attention and precision. There is no way one could play an unforgiving tactical shooter on a couch. And those games are best played with a 19'' monitor. As for strategy and simulation games, good luck with your gamepad.

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Originally posted by blakemooney18:
Although xoops, I disagree with you about the "thinking man" games being on PC and "arcade" like games on consoles. I have seen many stupid horrible games on PC's, and I have also seen many intelligent games on them as well. Same thing goes for consoles. There are many MANY brilliant "thinking man" games on consoles.

Well, you totally missed the point of my second argument. Never mind.

That's so disappointing , I wanted it for the 360 so badly.

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Originally posted by Rainb0wFied:
That's so ****ing gay, I wanted it for the 360 so badly.

Chances are that UBI Will release a 360 Version of FC2.. But it wont be for another year. ( This is my Geuss... This is not fact) -.-"

WHAT!!! If Far Cry Is Only For PC Then That Is Soooooo ****! It Should B For 360 As Well!
It Can Handle The Graphics For Sure.
If Its For PC Then I Will Defiantly Not B Gettin It.

Okay, so the quote and link below is talking about Crysis NOT FC2, but it explains a little a to why you cant do a NEXTGEN PC game on a current GEN console:

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GamesInformer: Now with Crysis in the can – you’re pretty much done with it outside of debugging process and everything – I asked you this last year – are you thinking about bringing this to consoles – and there seems to be a lot of confusion about this as of late…

Cevat Yerli: What I said was that Crysis could run on consoles. I ruled out any development whatsoever because there is no development on consoles. But what’s happening is, is people are asking me if it’s possible. Of course. You can get Crysis even on the Nintendo DS. But not that Crysis - you cannot get Crysis as it is on PC on any console. What you would have to do is compromise the design and the level design – in order of the PS3 and Xbox 360 regards you have to fulfill the memory constraints. Even if you stream you would have to consider the constraints. You could stream, you could do that, we know that. I tell them, “we’re already streaming on PC.” If you sum up all the memory we need with all the streaming in the background you’re talking about 10 gigs or something. You’d load everything up front. So from that angle, the consoles just offer a memory difference which is the most important statement here – the memory difference in the PS3 and Xbox 360 doesn’t allow Crysis – the same on console as it is on PC. In order to make Crysis’s gameplay [on console] you would have to make a derivative Crysis and optimize it for the Xbox 360 and PS3. In fact, if we do it, we’ll optimize it for each platform. What happens next we haven’t decided yet, because first we want to see how the game is received, publicly and critically, ratings wise, et cetera. We believe it will be received at least as strong as Far Cry. I hope personally a 5% average increase. I hope so. That would make me the most happy man on the planet, right now. Apart from my girlfriend. (laughs) But that would do. That would give us an argument to, “OK, let’s see how we can bring Crysis to consoles.” The engine right now is running on consoles so there’s no reason why we couldn’t

Full Interview is here, including his thoughts on Far Cry 2...

PC only oh YES! I have Xbox but i preffer to play FPS on PC it is still best platform for that. I'm sure Ubi Guys wan't to show Crytek how Far Cry should look like. I would love the realism and details you put up in this game. Go Cry somewhere else consoles fanboys. I hope Ubi is abicious to beat Crysis with FC2 on the FPS motherland that is called PC. I will buy this game on PC I hope for some collectors edition .

Thank the lord, Ubi Soft is finally thinking straight. Should be good game and this is what we need out own games that no one else can play unless they got a pc

Far Cry 2, per se, is not coming to consoles as of this moment. But a NEW Far Cry game, separate from FC2, is said to be in development by Ubisoft Montreal for the PS3 (and likely other consoles). This is according to a fairly credible source.

What makes most sense, I'm thinking, is that this new Far Cry game is going to continue the Instincts storyline. Where as FC2 for PC is a continuation of the original FC1 on PC. They're like separate, but parallel universes.