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Originally posted by crusher1968:
What I hated most about Far Cry 2 :

Multiplayer : dead before it was ever alive . A dead game means now one plays, FC2 has 1000s of players.

Use the same entrance into a game as FC and Cod 4 . Waiting in a lobby is not the way forward , and single handedly destroyed multiplayer . agreeable but tolerable.

Bring back prone , and straffe ability . agree, but not all game offer this.

Give a new player the same weapon choice as an old player . Ranking is frustrating for new players , and simply makes them stop playing . Giving something to work for ads in on the fun.

Climbing is fun , and learning how to do it was a good part of the game . Bring it back . huh?

Single player:

Focus more on content than on graphics . In comparison , Half life blows this game away for content , and is an old game . I want adventure , excitement , and fear when I play SP . FC2 lacked this . You must be the type that still listens to records and 8 tracks and watches tv on that 20 year old Tube tv with a VCR? New Graphics is what makes the game. Also id say FC2 sp has plenty of content as it cant take 30-50 hours to compleate, i think i remeber beating HL in a few evenings of play.

Make sure your game is able to be played on most pc's without needing an upgrade . Upgrading is a part of PC life, cant expect to play the latest and greatest on a P2 400 with 256m ram right?

The weather thing was great . Keep it .

Don't respawn dead people . It gets boring and unrealistic . agreed to a point, it does keep the action going tho.

Hang gliders stay in the air in real life . Not float to the ground . Twice FC has failed to realise this .

FC2 enemies catching you up in their jeeps was a joke . Get real . again with keeping you in action.

FC2 enemies all hearing you knife someone etc is a joke . Get real . was kinda od but tolerable.

Planes , helicopters etc should be active , and useable . expect this, as not all games will ofer it.

A trained merc does not hurt himself jumping from a 6ft roof . Get real . Ai has improved over the years.

A trained merc can climb over a 6ft fence . Get real . Ai has improved over the years.

Repetition is something that is offputting . Are your game designers really lacking in ideas ? I think they did a fine job with the new idea for FC2.

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Originally posted by thafuriousone:

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Originally posted by crusher1968:
What I hated most about Far Cry 2 :

Multiplayer : dead before it was ever alive .
A dead game means now one plays, FC2 has 1000s of players.
thousands of players, as opposed to tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands (COD5 demo had more players than FC2 ever will!). No dedicated server files on launch, no rcon support, broken auto-team-balance leading to uneven teams in gameplay, on average it takes longer than most other FPS MP games to find a game that launches, kicks after each ranked map - other FPS games manage this fine without kicking (COD4 for example), lack of customisation, no SDK so no mods for ladder/clan/cup configurations...no doubt more stuff I've overlooked.


Use the same entrance into a game as FC and Cod 4 . Waiting in a lobby is not the way forward , and single handedly destroyed multiplayer.
agreeable but tolerable.
agreed

Bring back prone, and straffe ability.
agree, but not all game offer this.
agreed

Give a new player the same weapon choice as an old player . Ranking is frustrating for new players , and simply makes them stop playing.
Giving something to work for ads in on the fun.
Killing people and helping your team to win is enough motivation. Nabs getting their butt handed to them until they have enough XP to upgrade a weapon is not fun - for them atleast *insert evil laugh here*

Climbing is fun , and learning how to do it was a good part of the game . Bring it back.
huh?
He's referring to FC1 (PC), where climbing skills give you an edge, some of the best players in FC1 where also some of the best climbers


Single player:
Focus more on content than on graphics . In comparison , Half life blows this game away for content , and is an old game . I want adventure , excitement , and fear when I play SP . FC2 lacked this.
You must be the type that still listens to records and 8 tracks and watches tv on that 20 year old Tube tv with a VCR? New Graphics is what makes the game. Also id say FC2 sp has plenty of content as it cant take 30-50 hours to compleate, i think i remeber beating HL in a few evenings of play.

New graphics dont make a great game, gameplay makes a great game. Did you ever play the Novalogic Delta Force games? They had crap graphics but great gameplay (in their time). FC2 takes so long to complete because you spend more time driving than you do killing. HL2 would last just as long if you had to drive as much as you do in FC2.

Make sure your game is able to be played on most pc's without needing an upgrade . Upgrading is a part of PC life, cant expect to play the latest and greatest on a P2 400 with 256m ram right?

The weather thing was great . Keep it .
The environment is awesome.

Don't respawn dead people . It gets boring and unrealistic.
agreed to a point, it does keep the action going tho.
I think the game would be more boring if a cleared area remained clear for the rest of the game, I just wish they increased the time take for the AI to respawn.

Hang gliders stay in the air in real life . Not float to the ground . Twice FC has failed to realise this.

FC2 enemies catching you up in their jeeps was a joke. Get real.
again with keeping you in action.
Agreed its to keep you in the action, however they didnt have to make them as fast as they did - it just looks silly.

FC2 enemies all hearing you knife someone etc is a joke . Get real .
was kinda odd but tolerable.
agreed

Planes , helicopters etc should be active , and useable.
expect this, as not all games will ofer it.
I think additional vehicles would have ruined it

A trained merc does not hurt himself jumping from a 6ft roof . Get real . Ai has improved over the years.

A trained merc can climb over a 6ft fence . Get real . Ai has improved over the years.

Repetition is something that is offputting . Are your game designers really lacking in ideas ?
I think they did a fine job with the new idea for FC2.
I wonder if the devs struggled to keep the content/storyline engaging throughout the entire FC2 world due to the sheer size of it. Even STALKER has this problem, maybe thats the real challenge with huge sandbox environments?

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Originally posted by IceT-Bag:New graphics dont make a great game, gameplay makes a great game. Did you ever play the Novalogic Delta Force games? They had crap graphics but great gameplay (in their time). FC2 takes so long to complete because you spend more time driving than you do killing. HL2 would last just as long if you had to drive as much as you do in FC2.

This can go person to person. I for one say if the graphics suck the game sucks. I want to see the great graphics along with great game play and i have seen it in FC2, its a sand box shooter not a FPS most people are accustom too like COD so the comparing to COD or HL is really irrelevant. Also delta force had pretty good graphic for its time.

Honestly i would say great graphics + great game play make a great game. Bad graphics + great game play make an ok game. Bad graphics + bad game play,,,,,well ya get the picture.

I just love the trend that every new game either its great or not people cry, threaten, bitch and complain about it for some stupid small reasons. If ya dont like it there is always ebay, sell it . Cya next game complaining about the same ole same ole :/....

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Originally posted by thafuriousone:

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Originally posted by IceT-Bag:New graphics dont make a great game, gameplay makes a great game. Did you ever play the Novalogic Delta Force games? They had crap graphics but great gameplay (in their time). FC2 takes so long to complete because you spend more time driving than you do killing. HL2 would last just as long if you had to drive as much as you do in FC2.

This can go person to person. I for one say if the graphics suck the game sucks. I want to see the great graphics along with great game play and i have seen it in FC2, its a sand box shooter not a FPS most people are accustom too like COD so the comparing to COD or HL is really irrelevant. Also delta force had pretty good graphic for its time.

Honestly i would say great graphics + great game play make a great game. Bad graphics + great game play make an ok game. Bad graphics + bad game play,,,,,well ya get the picture.

I just love the trend that every new game either its great or not people cry, threaten, bitch and complain about it for some stupid small reasons. If ya dont like it there is always ebay, sell it . Cya next game complaining about the same ole same ole :/....

Can you tell me what your likes and dislikes were of the original FC ?

Or didn't you play it ?

My views were a combination of both FC and FC 2 .
There were good and bad in both , but FC had less bad , even if FC 2 had some areas that were improved .
Thankyou for your view on the improvement of A.I lol . I was talking about the first person . Not the A.I .

You obviously liked FC2 .. That's cool , but I think the views I posted were mine .... not yours

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Originally posted by thafuriousone:

...This can go person to person. I for one say if the graphics suck the game sucks.

Agreed, people have their own preferences for what is good and what is bad, due to this I'll also agree to disagree with you on what makes a good game

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Originally posted by thafuriousone:

...its a sand box shooter not a FPS most people are accustom too like COD so the comparing to COD or HL is really irrelevant...

I dont see why a sandbox shooter can't be compared to other FPS games, they are made up of the same basic building blocks - a storyline and blowing lots of sh*t up

The only difference is that a sandbox environment is bigger, and therefore should'nt fall foul of the 'too linear' or 'too short' issues other non-sandbox games can have.

However, that said, if a sandbox environment is full of repetition (im generalising, not being specific to FC2), or if the story is weak or lost due to the time between 'plot updates', then it has failed to make use of the benefits offered by its larger environment.

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Originally posted by thafuriousone:

I just love the trend that every new game either its great or not people cry, threaten, bitch and complain about it for some stupid small reasons. If ya dont like it there is always ebay, sell it . Cya next game complaining about the same ole same ole :/....

I don't think we'll ever see an end to that

Thankfully I dont regret buying FC2, though I can see several areas where it didnt reach its full potential which is disappointing, and Im sure some of the devs are also disappointed with it, but as with any business project there are time and financial restraints.

PS: I couldnt sell my DVD on ebay - its cracked

I like FC2 but for me its all about gameplay and online multiplayer instant carnage

Therefore it must include a connection/server system with an intuitive and responsive UI that works flawlessly and an anti cheat system that works.

Also fix the damn Carl Gustav. It is an 84mm recoiless gun not a stupid rocketlauncher

I think having more balanced teams in multiplayer mode is definitely my biggest concern.

Groups of 5 or 6 gamers are creating matches (initially against each other but then switch to the same team), each with levels around 15-25 and if you happen to switch to their team, they boot you out of the game before it starts, they are doing this because they don't want a lower level (me being a 4) on their team and want to face levels 1-10 on the opposite side only. These gamers annoy the hell out of me and I now have a list of user ID's which I now have sent to Ubisoft to report their actions of blatant cheating.

Other improvements to the game would be that sometimes you throw a molotov and it doesn't start a fire at all this needs fixing.

Bring in some civilians out in the world, not just bad guys, maybe even some resistance fighters out in the world that help you if they come across a skirmish anywhere. (A splinter UFLL/APR group for instance that want both to fail)

I agree with what has been said already about AI re-spawning, a time limit of about a real-time hour or 1 day game-time should be how long it should be before they re-spawn, and they shouldnt re-spawn as soon as you move into another sector of the map and go back.

Make the safe houses a little more widespread, while trying to get the diamond at Goka Falls (and failing a few times), it was a pain that the nearest save location is so far away (also on the wrong side of a guard post that you either had to sneak past, destroy or drive around quickly)

I agree with the online upgrading, its a little backwards, that the better players get rewarded with the best weapons, god knows how many times I entered into a fight with someone using any sort of SMG only for them to whip out a grenade launcher to take me out.

They had planes and helicopters in the first Far Cry, so don't understand why they took them out of the second. It would also be good if there were civilians that must not be killed as there are in real life, kill one and the game goes against you. And for multiplayer it would be nice to know why a player gets banned by Punkmaster and if there is a way of being reprieved so I don't make the same mistake again. It was very high handed of Punkmaster to chuck me out of a game last night without telling me what I had done wrong

Regarding making a save in FC2, like up at the Goka Falls, you don't need to use a safe house to make a save. I found it far too long and time consuming to make a save at a safe house, simply press the F5 key and do a quick save

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Originally posted by Monzec:
Regarding making a save in FC2, like up at the Goka Falls, you don't need to use a safe house to make a save. I found it far too long and time consuming to make a save at a safe house, simply press the F5 key and do a quick save

I wish it was that easy but I'm on the PS3 version with no quicksave f5 key

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Originally posted by Adzer2:

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Originally posted by Monzec:
Regarding making a save in FC2, like up at the Goka Falls, you don't need to use a safe house to make a save. I found it far too long and time consuming to make a save at a safe house, simply press the F5 key and do a quick save

I wish it was that easy but I'm on the PS3 version with no quicksave f5 key

You can also save @ a gun shop.

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Originally posted by Adzer2:
I agree with the online upgrading, its a little backwards, that the better players get rewarded with the best weapons, god knows how many times I entered into a fight with someone using any sort of SMG only for them to whip out a grenade launcher to take me out.

Why people complain about this? it only takes 3 diamonds to upgrade any class fully, and it only takes a few rounds of play to get thos 3 diamonds. So even the new players can have any weapon they choose from any class pretty much right off the start. So what if that rank 19 has all weapons available he can only pick 1 class to use per spawn.

Also being high ranked doesnt make you a skilled player, only tells you that said player has been playing longer then you. I have seen rank 1 players kick asss against rank 25 players.

Only thing i agree with and say is cheesy is the guys that run servers and stack teams, this is easy to avoid, DONT JOIN THEM ..

The ranked system will continue to show up in games so deal with it and stop crying about them, had to listen to this in COD and BF series :/....

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Originally posted by Ricamundo:

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Originally posted by Adzer2:

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Originally posted by Monzec:
Regarding making a save in FC2, like up at the Goka Falls, you don't need to use a safe house to make a save. I found it far too long and time consuming to make a save at a safe house, simply press the F5 key and do a quick save

I wish it was that easy but I'm on the PS3 version with no quicksave f5 key

You can also save @ a gun shop.

Yeah I knew that, but in hindsight I didn't notice that there was a gunshop closer than the safehouse to Goka

I got it in the end a good while ago, was just mentioning for the next time to put them closer, one of the times I got to the hanglider after killing all the soldiers in the area only to have one sneaky one left who shot me down from the hanglider just as I went under the footbrige and fell to my death, pain in the rear.

I'm in Bowa Seko nowadays and theres a small annoyance there too, there looked to be a shortcut into the airfield from the South on the map but it turned out that you cant get up the slope there, so the maps details arent that good.

It seems a lot of people here want a Far Cry 3 to be an improved FC2. To me that sounds like a patch or maybe an expansion, not a new version. The single player part of FC2 is awesome it is the multiplayer part that is messed up!

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Originally posted by Monzec:
... It was very high handed of Punkmaster to chuck me out of a game last night without telling me what I had done wrong

Punkbuster will typically spam the console with warnings before you get kicked and if you can open the console after that there should be some kind of hint. Usually a version mismatch between server and client, but network performance can also be an issue, all barring the possibility you have cheated naturally There is of course the odd chance that the server admin kicked you. They do not need a reason. To open the console the default key is the tilde (~) key located left of the number 1, below the escape key on most desktop keyboards.

Where do you all think would be a good location for the 3rd installment.

1st: Tropical Island
2nd: African Country (near South Africa I'd say)
3rd: ?

I have to say that any Urban area wouldn't work as it would feel too much like GTA, so maybe somewhere like Russia/Siberia/Chechnya area?

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Originally posted by Adzer2:
Where do you all think would be a good location for the 3rd installment.

1st: Tropical Island
2nd: African Country (near South Africa I'd say)
3rd: ?

I have to say that any Urban area wouldn't work as it would feel too much like GTA, so maybe somewhere like Russia/Siberia/Chechnya area?

Watch it be in space or another world :P..

I have a 1 meg download speed, could this be my problem? Using Broadband here in ireland is very expensive, can't afford to increase to say 3 meg speed. I have been disconnected a few times. A msg comes up saying 'You have been disconnected' and also when asked if I wish to dowload a new map before I can click Ok I get disconnected. I was wondering if because I was using a grenade launcher that the Waikiki Gun Club took exception. If they have a problem with that then I will stop using the grenade launcher. I do see msgs coming up in red at the top left of the screen but I cant be shooting and reading them at the same time. I am sorry if I have upset the Waikiki Gun Club, I really didn't mean to. I have been only playing online for a month so I have a lot to learn I guess

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Originally posted by Othmaar:
It seems a lot of people here want a Far Cry 3 to be an improved FC2. To me that sounds like a patch or maybe an expansion, not a new version. The single player part of FC2 is awesome it is the multiplayer part that is messed up!

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Originally posted by Monzec:
... It was very high handed of Punkmaster to chuck me out of a game last night without telling me what I had done wrong

Punkbuster will typically spam the console with warnings before you get kicked and if you can open the console after that there should be some kind of hint. Usually a version mismatch between server and client, but network performance can also be an issue, all barring the possibility you have cheated naturally There is of course the odd chance that the server admin kicked you. They do not need a reason. To open the console the default key is the tilde (~) key located left of the number 1, below the escape key on most desktop keyboards.

Alaska, or a polar landscape maybe, could involve ships, submarines, snow buggies, helicopters, be great with blizzard conditions

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Originally posted by Adzer2:
Where do you all think would be a good location for the 3rd installment.

1st: Tropical Island
2nd: African Country (near South Africa I'd say)
3rd: ?

I have to say that any Urban area wouldn't work as it would feel too much like GTA, so maybe
somewhere like Russia/Siberia/Chechnya

area?

Thing I'd like to see in Far Cry 3:

An organized enemy in a beautiful and diverse landscape. Even the pirates in Evolution seemed like a more realistic enemy than the people in FC2. Were it not for the guns they carry you couldn't tell the difference between them and a civilian. Also, while some of the environments seemed beautiful, some of them looked like someone got a bunch of brown and yellow paint and smeered it all over the place.

More civilians/allies. In the beginning of FC2, you look out your hotel window and you think, "wow, there's certainly a war going on here". From this point on though, The overly-agressive AI ONLY attacks you. It's too bad that the only way to interact w/ civies was to get sick and that the closest thing to an ally you had was an incompetent AI that either sits in a bar all day or tells you to go save him from a suicide mission he just went on.

A decent protagonist & online co-op. While the ability to chose your character was nice, your character simply NEVER talked. People would simply call you whenever you finished an objective (how they know you did it remains a mystery), and your character would run off to do something else without a word. If you could customize your character & ride through the world w/ a friend while burning everything, this game would have been great.

Reasonable AI. The AI could see through bushes, had lightning reflexes, deadly accuracy (usually), could fire shotguns faster, could drive MUCH faster,and took insane amounts of 7.62 Soviet rounds to their bare chests to kill. It would also be nice if you were not ruthlessly hunted down by bands of African mercs/soldiers whenever they saw you, almost like as if each one of them had serious anger management issues and wanted to take it out on you. Didn't the devs mention something about FC2 being realistic?

Customizable weapons. It would have been wonderful to have a little section in the armory were you could put up to 2 attachments on most of your weapons like a flashlight & scope or something, and this would have made it feel more like that was YOUR armory, not just some random shack with a lot of guns in it.

FC2 was still a good game, but it just didn't quite live up to the expectations I had for it, and I'm sure this was the case with many others.

My first game of this kind & can't stop playing it!

But if i had one request for a new version.

It would be to make the whole game, especially the infamous level harder. I'd like more varied & challenging scenarios. So that it would take a bit more cunning & clever planning to complete the designated tasks. Almost impossible missions with little margin for error.