Who still love Far Cry... [Archive]

XyZspineZyX

10-27-2003, 10:23 PM

Please post here giving comment on the way Ubi and Crytek treat their community and future buyers.
Let them now in a gentle way what you think could be done better, like giving weekly updates about developement and some developers diaries.

Post only things that give support, please.

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XyZspineZyX

10-27-2003, 10:23 PM

XyZspineZyX

10-27-2003, 10:57 PM

yeh UBI/CRYTEK why does it take so long to bring the demo you promiset us the demo like 2 months ago

keep it real for now
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go to the Operation Archangel web site

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XyZspineZyX

10-27-2003, 11:21 PM

eh ill admit it UBI isnt good with dates... but i would rather have a game without bugs and a millions patches to fix later it than a buggy game now. I can understand UBI pushing back the release date.. but at least tell us when they think its commin out.. the suspence is killing me..

XyZspineZyX

10-28-2003, 12:03 AM

i think its like hl2, the game was never realy near being finshed,its all an evil conspricy to get us all hyped for a game that will not be out till xmas next year.or it could be there to busy putting the finshing touches to what looks like an amazing game,o and the ubi thing is just like vu thay only care about cold hard cash and thay no that the game will be bought anyway if its good so what do thay care if thay dont answer everypost or give release dates.

come on be truthfull you so no your going to buy this game when its out this year or next.

XyZspineZyX

10-28-2003, 12:26 AM

i am so upset wright now with all the delayes off the games i was planing to play and have to wait for them for another 4-6 months, to me it looks like this game will be delayed too, UBI did terrible job with Lock On so i am not suprissed the way they handle this forum. I can't figure it out why, they have a game with great potentials here + HL2 and Doom3 are not competitors at this time. I don't see any game in near future that could be better seller then Far Cry. Last word- UBI sucks in promotion of the game.

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XyZspineZyX

10-28-2003, 12:47 AM

if tehy suck at promoting why are u here... UBI is prob just waiting till doom and HL2 come out so they can compeat.. the dont want to release there game and have HL2 wash it out whenever it comes out... I agree it can be gay sometime but im still gonna wait for Far Cry

XyZspineZyX

10-28-2003, 12:49 AM

Well im sure UBI is working there asses off to get the game out, but it would be cool to have a few more updates on the progress, some screens a dev diary etc..

Well hopefully they bless us with a demo in the coming month.

Van B.C. -The place to be.

XyZspineZyX

10-28-2003, 01:30 AM

Lock-on, Raven Shield and Ghost recon are examples. I didnt buy raven shield and lost interest in Lock-on due to delays. Then again, I been saying FC would be. GR had 4 patches, 2 were due only because they SOLD exp, the 4th was to fix problems caused by the 3rd patch.

I dont care if it takes them another year to put this game out, it wont be polished and it wont be bug free.

Were just gonna have to wait and if some of us lose intrest, it happens.

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XyZspineZyX

10-28-2003, 05:58 AM

"yeh UBI/CRYTEK why does it take so long to bring the demo you promiset us the demo like 2 months ago"

They PROMISED us a demo?

XyZspineZyX

10-28-2003, 11:48 AM

I am not happy with this situation either. It is nearly November and no demo.

I know the community manager said no demo this month, but 2 months ago the demo was promised and at E3 and ECTS there obviously was something that was playable.

XyZspineZyX

10-28-2003, 01:11 PM

i think the way they have dealt with this game has been aweful, i really hope they lose sales over this!

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XyZspineZyX

10-28-2003, 02:57 PM

I really hope you die today, but I doubt that will be happening.

XyZspineZyX

10-29-2003, 05:29 PM

What gets me is this if they are waiting because they don't want to have to patch the crap out of it. how do they plan on doing that? you need to put demo out way b4 the game so you can see what needs to be fixed. They will have a lot of updates because no demo has been put out yet, with a game that is to be released next month.. Looks like they don't plan on any last min changes.. If I had too say what they are waiting for is X-Mas put it out too early and you don't get all the X-Mas sales with the new game price. I don't care myself crytek is new to all of this. they will learn and will get better. they already learned to not go through UBI as there publisher, so it looks like they catch on fast.

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XyZspineZyX

10-29-2003, 05:44 PM

Since I have been a PR guy in the past, basically, I'd suggest weekly screenshot updates, a demo weeks before release, and make sure you get the demo out everywhere, especially fileplanet and all the famous gaming sites, so that everyone who hasn't yet, will hear about Far Cry. At this point in time you will need a working site and such, and perhaps a better forum than these, so that you can start building up a large and prominant community before you release the game. Then when release comes, everything should go pretty well.

I hope the devs read this a bit, they can use some help, as personally, I feel this game, and furthermore, engine, has amazing potential, and I'd hate to see large potential go to waste.

XyZspineZyX

10-30-2003, 08:26 PM

I agree with BaiT28, good pr makes fans who pay happy.

From what i hear release will be late november.... enough time to make the game perfect...

Hope they have strong network code for multiplayer! THis Game has So Much pottential as an onliner!!! Kinda like B.F..... but, * Far Cry *

Onliner with A.I. that sounds amazing!!

The demo would be nice,
I sure hope a low bug SandBox tm. is released with the game... or soon after ....

XyZspineZyX

10-31-2003, 07:28 AM

UBI Soft should take whatever time THEY think they need to make the game as polished as possible. It's their investment in time, energy and money.

I would love to be playing the game right now, but I feel confident I will be playing it soon enough. All the more pleasure when I finally do get to play it.

Those that are unhappy about it should put their money where their mouth is. Money changes business behavior, not complaining. If you complain and then still buy the game, you have effectively reinforced that they don't need to listen to a word you say. Doesn't that make sense?

VES

XyZspineZyX

10-31-2003, 08:49 AM

futbolhead wrote:
- UBI Soft should take whatever time THEY think they
- need to make the game as polished as possible. It's
- their investment in time, energy and money.

What do you think that UBI is making this game?
To let you know, they are not thats Cryteks job.
UBI is the publisher for Crytek. What dose UBI got to polish
Why I say this is, because too many of you think that UBI makes all these games. Well they don't.

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XyZspineZyX

11-03-2003, 10:54 AM

While I am technically wrong about who is actually doing the coding, the fact remains that it's their investment (UBI and Crytek), not ours. They decide the timetable, for better or worse, not you, not me.

UBI would certainly have some say in the product that they plan to release, even if they have to send it back to Crytek to fix it up. It is normal practice that both the developer and the publisher have QC teams. What passes one team may not pass the other.

You NEED both the developer and the publisher, with a few rare exceptions (such as Battlefront, or Stardock, both model companies of quality products and good customer service who have the capital to release their own products). Crytek could do all the coding they want, but without a publisher, I doubt you will ever see the game. Therefore, it's kind of difficult to minimize the importance that UBI plays in totality.

I'm guessing, and yes I could be wrong, that most of you complaining about the release of the demo, or the release of information, have no practical experience from the business side of the equation. You are only looking at this from the perspective of the consumer. When you pony up the dough, and can code your own games, when you have to deal with all of the problems that can occur during projects and development cycles, then see a product to market, then you can decide your own timetable. It's pretty much that simple.

VES

SidearmLoE wrote:
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- futbolhead wrote:
-- UBI Soft should take whatever time THEY think they
-- need to make the game as polished as possible. It's
-- their investment in time, energy and money.
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- What do you think that UBI is making this game?
- To let you know, they are not thats Cryteks job.
- UBI is the publisher for Crytek. What dose UBI got
- to polish
- Why I say this is, because too many of you think
- that UBI makes all these games. Well they don't.
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XyZspineZyX

11-03-2003, 01:36 PM

Good point you got there.

But...the longer they take the more p*ssed consumers they are going to have, not to mention consumers from other retailers complaining indirectly.

That is going to mean there are a lesser amount of people who are going to buy this product and for other retailers might even cancel the idea of supplying it.

If UBI was not concerned about the consumers they would never of thought about a forum, but there is one amd so there is a commitment that should be kept!!!

XyZspineZyX

11-03-2003, 09:24 PM

I agree that the longer they take, the more risk they have of losing customer interest, to a point. That is why I said "for better or for worse". But in all honesty I believe that after the game is released, and IF it is rock solid good, those people who lost interest will quickly eat crow, and still buy the game. At least 95% of them. I think, though I may be wrong, that you know that too. IF this game is as good as it looks, IF it is user-friendly and playable, its GOING TO ROCK THE WORLD! If not, it will fade into oblivion.

Having the forum is definetly a sign of responsiveness to customer interest. But answering every little whiny post (of which I notice MANY asking for the same information over and over) about requests for new up to date information is not necessary. I can be impatient at times as well, but in the grand scheme of things, a month or two is really NOT a long time. Having wasted time "waiting for the latest and greatest", maturity and patience has taught me that time is better spent playing the games I already have. Personally, I would much rather see their time and talent spent on the game, than in here (if they can't seem to do both without sacrificing the greater mission, releasing a good, solid game).

While Convict is quick to point out in another thread that I am new here, I have seen this same behavior in MANY forums in which people waited for new games. You should have seen Bioware's boards before Neverwinter Nights came out. Or WOTC boards during the Magic Online Beta. Or the DPReview board on Canon DSLR's over the last couple of months with the speculation of release of new digital cameras. New to this board, yes. Experienced in human behavior? Very much so. I have been a gamer far longer than most people on this board I'm willing to venture. I don't flaunt that fact, I just state it when people start with the 'newbie' crap.

VES

Blain. wrote:
- Good point you got there.
-
- But...the longer they take the more p*ssed consumers
- they are going to have, not to mention consumers
- from other retailers complaining indirectly.
-
- That is going to mean there are a lesser amount of
- people who are going to buy this product and for
- other retailers might even cancel the idea of
- supplying it.
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- If UBI was not concerned about the consumers they
- would never of thought about a forum, but there is
- one amd so there is a commitment that should be
- kept!!!
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XyZspineZyX

11-03-2003, 10:09 PM

I am more of a specefic gamer, I have a taste./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

And the newbie sheet doesn't appeal to me either.

XyZspineZyX

11-03-2003, 10:27 PM

Then you need to look at my post and think about it a little better instead of assuming Noob is what I was saying..

What I mean by saying, I see your new here is,
You havnt been waiting for some new information quite as long as the rest of us, you havnt seen everything die down from the UBI/Crytek people for a couple months like we have, therefore you dont have the same perspective on wanting some kind of information or confirmation like the rest of us.

Going into defense mode right off the bat and making judgement might have been why you assumed wrong.

BTW, I also saw what was going on in the NWN forums also, but at least they updated the consumer on the progress.

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XyZspineZyX

11-03-2003, 11:45 PM

Convict,

And perhaps you could read mine above a little better and realize, there is nothing unique about your (as a group, not you specifically) behavior here, regardless of how long you have been waiting, that I haven't seen in numerous other forums. The titles and games change, but the attitudes and behavior stay the same. This isn't the first group of gamers who starved for info, waited for a game, and got ticked off in the mean time. I'm sure I could pop over to the Harpoon 4 forum and find other folks similarly disenchanted. This is not a unique situation. The length of time I have been here is IRRELEVANT.

When you realize that IT will come out, when it's done, even if it's a few more months, you don't have to be so anxious or stressed out by the unknown. There's no reason at this point to think it won't make it to the shelf. Patience is a virtue. You undoubtedly have other things you can do to while away the time as the game is finished.

I think in principles, less often in specifics. The general observation is, companies give release information, which is invariably pushed back, which ticks off some users, which makes the company less forthcoming next time around. In the end, most companies resort to the standard response, "When it's done." If UBISoft is smart, or if they learn from other companies, they too will give the answer "When it's done." Quarters, months, and days invariable get knocked off track when a bug rears it's ugly head. Then that bug fix introduces 10 more bugs that need fixing.

And yes, Bioware was much more responsive, But I suspect that Bioware is also a larger company (not to mention all the other companies that threw their logo into the "making" of the game NWN) with more resources available to them. They had people devoted to web development and updates. They also said, "When it's done."

Will your life truly be lessened if you don't have the information at your fingertips every few days? Is the game that important? Strong desires of what we don't have have a way of making us not appreciate what we do have.

I have plenty of great games to play right now.

TW Golf 2K4
BF 1942 and all expansions
Heroes of M&M 3 (an oldie but goodie)
Diablo 2 and LOD

Do you not have great games to help you pass the time, and ease your stress over something of which you have ABSOLUTELY NO CONTROL?

VES

XyZspineZyX

11-04-2003, 12:34 AM

futbolhead,

If you spent less time joining this forum (and probably others) to only be a smart ***, and read other peoples post, you might see what they are asking for.

Did I post I have to have this demo or game now? No I didnt. Did I post I have to have information or I'll explode? No I didnt.

While you try to be funny and intellagent at the same time, you fall short.

Time here is relevent. We, who have been here longer, contributing to the forums and such, have seen post by developers and also seen them just quit.

You drop into a forum about a game you more than likely just found out about and tell us, who have ONLY been asking for some kind of information to quit whining.

I have yet to see a game not get pushed back, but for you to come here and tell us we CANT ask for some info or confirmation on the game, and you are the all knowing of human behavior is rediculous.

Do you buy products that you have limited info about? I think not.. Do you buy a product from someone that you've asked for some kind of update on, and for 2 months get no reply from them? I think not.

I have seen this from UBI to often, and for you to come in here and act as if you know everything about forums and games, and products is beyond me.

If you only joined this forum to flame people and try to be a funny man, then you arent as mature as you want people to believe. If you dont want to contribute to the forum or with peoples post, then go back to the bioware forums.

I have plenty of games I play, even though I spend more time doing graphics, which I would rather do than play games. Your post isnt funny, your not cute, and your wasting your time.

BTW, next car you buy, dont test drive, dont even look at it, just pay for it and dont ask questions. Thats what you want us to do.

If I, or anyone else here wants to ask UBI for some kind of update, then thats our choice as consumers. If we decide to spend our money or not on this game, thats our choice, not yours. If you dont want an update after 2 months on a product, thats your choice, but dont tell us how it should be, until you start paying for the game for us all, our opinions and choices are just as good as yours. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX

11-04-2003, 01:47 AM

Convict,

There is nothing about the post above your most recent that was even intended to be funny. Also, there was not a smart *** comment in it. There are good views on life in it which you could benefit from. If you fail to see the intelligence involved, I can't help you there.

First, I already told you how I get information to buy products. It was not that many posts ago, so I'm surprised that you forgot so quickly. If you think the best information comes FROM THE COMPANY selling the product, you could buy your next car based on a test drive and the word of the salesman and be just as well off as I would if I bought it on no information. I seek information OUTSIDE of what the company provides when making purchases. Third parties, independent of those making money on the product often provide better information.

Time here is irrelevant. This forum, just like any other about a game waiting to be released, is full of people DEMANDING information, DEMANDING a demo, people saying they NEED information. Those are things I have taken the time to read. It's JUST a game. No one in here NEEDS anything from this site to make it through their daily lives. They may WANT it, they may have a strong DESIRE, but they cannot legitimately say they NEED it.

And people haven't ONLY just been asking, they have been DEMANDING. I have known about Far Cry for about9-10 months. I have only recently joined the forum, because 9-10 months ago, it was a much longer way from being released. And if you carefully read what I have wrote, in all of my posts, I have never told anyone to quit winning. I told them how futile whinning is. There is a huge difference. And the posts I refer to involve the MANNER in which people 'ask' their questions, not ALL inquiries for information. That's what seperates asking from whining.

What I propose is advice to increase the maturity of SOME of the folks in here, something that is met with incredible resistance.

By all means, butt your head against a wall if that is your choice. I won't try to stop you. But I will point out the futility of it.

VES

XyZspineZyX

11-04-2003, 02:53 AM

I still love Far Cry!!! A Little sad about the delay... but it looks so awsome!!

Fought in the Battlefield, going to Micronesia for a holliday....

XyZspineZyX

11-04-2003, 03:05 AM

Im not gonna keep this thing going as you seem to want to do. I got the information I was wanting, and I dont really need advice on maturity from someone who thinks they are in a place to give it.

Im happy you have enough knowledge to give us all advice over the internet, and your maturity level is greater than the rest of us. You would have to think it is, if your giving advice on it.

The game has been delayed and it took them 2 months to post any information. Myself, and a lot of others here, feel thats to long to enlighten us on the product. We here are sorry if you think thats ok, but with this type of product, I dont want my information from 3rd party people who "think" they have all the answers /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I want my information from the game developers/publishers.

We all know what 3rd party people do with information, and that was proven today with the post about the delay. Guess its not coming Nov.28th, or Nov. at all like all the 3rd party people are saying.

They can take as long as they wish releasing the game, we just want, at least myself, some information a little more than every 2 or 3 months. You have a nice day kind sir. and find someone else to give your advice to, I dont need or want it. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX

11-04-2003, 11:47 AM

Convict,

No, I don't think I'm more mature than everyone, just some. And the advice has merit, regardless of the medium in which it is given. As they say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

But I do thank you for recognizing my superiority in the maturity department, though that was not what I was seeking. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif And I'm happy that your happy for me. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Just as you have people that share your thoughts about the need for information, so to have I noticed people reflecting my opinion.

3rd party sources vary in credibility, that is true. That is why one must be prudent in making decisions from them. But rest assured, information that comes from the developer and publisher is frequently biased. They want to sell you the game and that's their bottom line. Incidentally, not ALL the 3rd party people are saying Nov. 28. Check EB Games. They have had a Feb 04 release date for a couple weeks now. My experience has been, that EB Games is one of the more reliable sources for release information, though not entirely without mistake. Given that they are one of the largest retailers of gaming software in the US, it's a fair bet that they maintain close ties to publishers.

If you don't want my advice, don't read my posts. It's really that simple. I won't tailor what I have to say around what you want (anymore than you would tailor your responses around my desires), kind sir. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

However, one day you will realize, regardless of what I have said, but much like many before me have recognized, patience has value, and money speaks louder than words to a business.

You have a nice day as well.

And if you would like the last word at this point Convict, it's all yours. I'm comfortable that the weight of my position stands on it's own. Any further discourse would be redundant.

VES

Message Edited on 11/04/0307:01AM by futbolhead