Imagine this baby in LOMAC! Oh it would be wonderful!

[robban75]

http://hem.bredband.net/andahr/web/viggen/2004-01-26/AJSF%2037_8.jpg

http://hem.bredband.net/andahr/web/viggen/2004-01-26/AJSF%2037_3.jpg

http://hem.bredband.net/andahr/web/viggen/2004-01-26/AJSF%2037_7.jpg

More at http://hem.bredband.net/andahr/Viggen_Project.html

What would it take to implement this model into LOMAC?

http://members.chello.se/unni/Dora-9-3.JPG

When it comes to aircombat, I'd rather be lucky than good any day!

[robban75]

http://hem.bredband.net/andahr/web/viggen/2004-01-26/AJSF%2037_8.jpg

http://hem.bredband.net/andahr/web/viggen/2004-01-26/AJSF%2037_3.jpg

http://hem.bredband.net/andahr/web/viggen/2004-01-26/AJSF%2037_7.jpg

More at http://hem.bredband.net/andahr/Viggen_Project.html

What would it take to implement this model into LOMAC?

http://members.chello.se/unni/Dora-9-3.JPG

When it comes to aircombat, I'd rather be lucky than good any day!

[DR.DEADLY]

NICE WORK! That would be awsome.

[warningtone]

ugly looking bird

looks to modern lockon is set in the early
to mid 90s,

[robban75]

Ehr, it's a Viggen. The prototype for the AJ37 flew in 1967. It's a Swedish design, so of course it looks modern! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif It exists in several versions, and these are AJ37, SK-37, SF37, SH37 and JA37. The JA37 is a dedicated fighter version, the AJ/SF/SH was modernised in the early 90's to become the AJS37. The SK37 is now a highly effective "jammer" dubbed SK37E.
Today the JA37 works along side the JAS39 Gripen. the worlds first 4th gen fighter.

http://members.chello.se/unni/Dora-9-3.JPG

When it comes to aircombat, I'd rather be lucky than good any day!

[Cali_169th]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by warningtone:
ugly looking bird

looks to modern lockon is set in the early
to mid 90s,<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I AGREE!!! my eyes hurt.

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[Cragger]

Viggen is the ugly duckling compared to its Draken and Gripen brotheren.

[robban75]

The Viggen is not as graceful as the Draken or Gripen, but it is a powerful piece of machinery! And in its own way it's beautiful!

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/eagle/hyakuri/VIGGEN/viggen-030626-5.jpg

http://members.chello.se/unni/Dora-9-3.JPG

When it comes to aircombat, I'd rather be lucky than good any day!

[Lindegren.J]

The Viggen is a aircraft of its own. It is beutiful (in its own way as said) and its beeing phased out now, so early 90's was its period :P The Viggen is designed to be able to take off and land from short roadstrips (mobile airbases). It can reverse its jet thrust to reduce speed drastically when landed. It is THE jet if you want to be able to fly slow and land on minmum areas :P altough it can be very fast.. just step on it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Wilbus]

Oh how I love our Swedish Birds, please add it!

Rasmus "Wilbus" Mattsson

[Cragger]

http://www.gripen.com/download/18.d90453f961dfc77d7fff7263/ControlTheBattlefield.wmv

[Caretaker.]

The Viggen is ugly, it looks like a flying christmas tree - but I still love it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Now I would't really know how it could fit into any Lock On scenario... hmmm maybe with a new Scandinavian theatre à la EF2000, that would be sweet! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

- Caretaker

[StreakEagle0]

I don't think enough people know about the Gripen or the Viggen to want to buy LO:MAC or an add-on. And the people that DO know of it, don't have enough desire to fly it. People would look at the software box on the store shelf and say, "hmmm... F-15, A-10, Mig-29.... Viggen. What the HECK is a Viggen!?!?"

You have to think in terms of a business perspective. Eagle Dynamics and Ubisoft are not going to take months to develop a plane that only a small percentage of the flight sim community would want to fly. You will find more potential customers in the UK, USA, Russia, France, and Germany that want to fly planes like the F-14 Tomcat, F-16 Falcon, F/A-18 Hornet, Tornado, Mirage, and some Mig's or Su's.

- StreakEagle

Compaq 8000Z; 17" Philips monitor; AMD Athlon XP 1.47 GHz (1700+); 64MB SDR nVidia GeForce2; Creative SB Live! Value; 512 MB PC 2100 DDR SDRAM; 40 GB Hard drive; Iomega Dual Format DVD-RW Drive; 16X DVD-ROM Drive; CH F-16 Combat Stick; CH Rudder Pedals; Cable Modem

[warningtone]

that video clip think they need a new
shelter,

nice indian music at the start by the way

=shake head

[Cragger]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by warningtone:
Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


ZzZzZzZzZzZzZ... huh, what? did you say something.. guess not.

[robban75]

My oh my. I know there are people that are totally focused on the fighters from the "big" countries, and that they wouldn't give a "foreign" aircraft a chance, but fortunatelly there are people that like fighters of other countries aswell, and are willing to fly them. And for those that doesn't know what a Viggen is http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif, the phrase living under a rock comes to mind. I think it would be great to have the Viggen in LOMAC, but I would be equally psyched about something else, especially if it's european. As long as doesn't have an F in front of it, I'm happy. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://members.chello.se/unni/Dora-9-3.JPG

When it comes to aircombat, I'd rather be lucky than good any day!

[warningtone]

trying to be nice here . sigh hmmmmmmmm

cragger the child remarks dont wash on me


any more 12 year old slandering think your hip typos its mod call

[phlerp]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by StreakEagle0:
I don't think enough people know about the Gripen or the Viggen to want to buy LO:MAC or an add-on. And the people that DO know of it, don't have enough desire to fly it. People would look at the software box on the store shelf and say, "hmmm... F-15, A-10, Mig-29.... Viggen. What the HECK is a Viggen!?!?"
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How many knew much about the airwar on the eastern front during WWII in general or the IL2 in particular before the IL-2 sim was released?

Everybody said you can't sell a sim that hasn't got any american planes in it, but IL-2 turned out to be a success. And I'd say that people that has been following the sim market for the last ten years are growing tired of all the F16's and A10's. Yes, they're nice planes and you wouldn't want a world without sims with these planes. But more and more people wants a little diversity. That's why Lomac is so refershing.

I'm not saying a Viggen sim or even a Viggen add on to Lomac would be a huge success. All I'm saying is there aren't just american planes flying around in the world.

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[phlerp]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by phlerp:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by StreakEagle0:
I don't think enough people know about the Gripen or the Viggen to want to buy LO:MAC or an add-on. And the people that DO know of it, don't have enough desire to fly it. People would look at the software box on the store shelf and say, "hmmm... F-15, A-10, Mig-29.... Viggen. What the HECK is a Viggen!?!?"
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How many knew much about the airwar on the eastern front during WWII in general or the IL2 in particular before the IL-2 sim was released?

Everybody said you can't sell a sim that hasn't got any american planes in it, but IL-2 turned out to be a success. And I'd say that people that has been following the sim market for the last ten years are growing tired of all the F16's and A10's. Yes, they're nice planes and you wouldn't want a world without sims with these planes. But more and more people wants a little diversity. That's why Lomac is so refershing.

I'm not saying a Viggen sim or even a Viggen add on to Lomac would be a huge success. All I'm saying is there aren't just american planes flying around in the world.

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[Brit_Radar_Dude]

A few years ago there was a TV advert in the UK for Saab cars that featured a Viggen, hence most folks over here would know it was Swedish even if they did not know its name (or that it has a Volvo engine).
Of course the main problem with putting it in Lomac and flying in the Crimea region is Sweden is a neutral country and how would you put together the background story to have the swedes in one of the coalitions? You have to go back a lotta years since they were last fighting the Russians...
Other than that I agree - Draken, Viggen - years ahead of their time, sexy lookin' planes and doubtless assembled better than the $%*!&gt;? IKEA furniture I got http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

My orders came through. My squadron ships out tomorrow. We're bombing the storage depots at Daiquiri at 1800 hours. We're coming in from the north, below their radar.
When will you be back?
I can't tell you that. It's classified.

[phlerp]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ALDEGA:
Just how many flightsims offer a flyable A-10? (and no, the A-10 in OFP doesn't count :P ).
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hmmm.... perhaps LOMAC? I don't think anyone argue that they should remove the A-10 from this sim.

But if you mean before Lomac there has been several. But there is no up to date sim where you can fly the A-10. Good old A10 Cuba! is an excellent A-10 sim, with an outdated graphics engine, but a physics engine that beats Lomac in many aspects.

Another sim with a flyable A-10 is Falcon 4. Sure, it's not the best simulation of A-10 you could expect, but still.

How many sims have you flown with SAAB aircrafts in, even only as AI planes?... There are a few but they sure aren't many.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ALDEGA:
btw, with AEP and PF addons, IL-2 is turning to the west....
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ok.... but where else should they turn? Most lesser known scenarios in Europe is already covered in IL-2 and FB. They could have done the African campaign and i'm sure that will come soner or later. And they could have done the Pacific, and they are doing that right now.

Remember that many planes in IL-2 add ons ha at least partially been made by community members. And though it can be interpreted as the community rather would have these planes in the sim than the russian planes allready in. I'd rather say they are filling the gaps. Nowdays it's getting hard to find more planes to add to that sim.

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BTW, those screens of the Viggen on the top of this thread are a little outdated. For more up to date screens and info on the progress of that project, click my banner.

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[phlerp]

The screens on the top of the thread is now updated http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

For more screens from the same project, click here (http://www.i3dteam.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=64).

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[F16_Filur]

Buhuuu... Iâ´m gonna call the mods http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cali_169th:
I AGREE!!! my eyes hurt.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So will your ears...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Caretaker.:
The Viggen _is_ ugly, it looks like a flying christmas tree - but I still love it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Now I would't really know how it could fit into any Lock On scenario... hmmm maybe with a new Scandinavian theatre à la EF2000, that would be sweet! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

- Caretaker<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

CAREFUL Caretaker!!! The Viggen IS a beuty http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. You got it all wrong, it looks like a big mighty arrow. A UGLY plane would be more in the style of the F-35.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by StreakEagle0:
You have to think in terms of a business perspective.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or in terms of inspiration... actually thatâ´s winning more hearts and minds.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ALDEGA:
btw, with AEP and PF addons, IL-2 is turning to the west....
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, but weâ´re turning to the north.

[This message was edited by F16_Filur on Thu April 29 2004 at 06:30 AM.]

[F16_Filur]

Well, what the heck.. what da fark... hereâ´s another of the cheerful christmastree.

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/eagle/hyakuri/VIGGEN/viggen-030627-1.jpg

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IL2-manager save my mommy (and little sister)!

[miffomannen]

Now, what plane is beautiful and what plane is not is a matter of opinion and everyone is entitled to have their own. I find the Viggen... well, not beautiful but very very impressive and yes, it certanly has *something*.

The planes that make it into sims are more or less a reflection of what publishers and developers think people whant to fly, ie what they expect to sell. I wouldn't either expect a fighter like Viggen to be the backbone of a sim or even expansion - but if the community itself makes one... thats a different thing.

Of course one could not expect all people know about a jet designed and built 40 years ago by a country with a total population less than many cities around the globe. I think the annual US military funding is greater than the total BNP of Sweden.... just to compare.

What one *could* expect however, is a little more humble and little less narrowminded attitude of some people and most of all a little bit of that thing called politeness.

Without doubt Viggen (Thunderbolt in English - hence A-10 was not first to use this nick) is an impressive jet. I've seen it take off and land from close range and 400 meters (547 yards for you non-ISO fellas) of ordinary road is not much considering no tailhooks, breakchutes or nets are involved.

Well, I can write alot about Viggen but lucky for me many others have done that allready. Of course there are many great, impressive fighters around the world but before you go on bashing the Viggen please do your homework. Here's a good start for reading: Viggen page (http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/text/37viggen.htm) for all of you that might be interested.

Well, for the record, I think the F-14 Tomcat is about the most beautiful thing that flies. And my favourite aircraft is the Gripen but that's a completely different story.

ovr'n'out!

[Moljnir]

Whatâ's not to like about the Viggen? It's fast, agile, and needs only half a klick to land. If you canâ't get over the fact itâ's foreign, itâ's your problem that youâ're xenophobic. It may not be attractive to all, but the 'splinter' ('fields and meadows') camo and Dayglo tail codes are unique as the aircraft itself. At least give it a chance before you bash it. You very well could fall in love with the â˜Thunderboltâ'.

[F16_Filur]

That splinter camo is really interesting, and it makes life alot easier for model builders too, but what really brings this bird to life for me is the later grey/white-nose scheme. Isnâ´t it funny how paintschemes can work for or against a design estethically?

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IL2-manager save my mommy (and little sister)!

[Caretaker.]

It's also the only plane I ever saw that touched down, came to a full stop nearly immediately, turned 90â? while rolling backwards on the runway, 90â? more rolling forward again, and off it went with full afterburner into the sky where it had come from. All in a matter of seconds, quite a show! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

- Caretaker

[ViperFAP]

Yase! Viggen and Gripen! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[ASA_ODEN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>... better than the $%*!&gt;? IKEA furniture I got http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL.. guess we'll have to make you an honory-Swede http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

IKEA - we all hate it but we can't live without it.

[j-squirrel]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Caretaker.:
It's also the only plane I ever saw that touched down, came to a full stop nearly immediately, turned 90â? while rolling backwards on the runway, 90â? more rolling forward again, and off it went with full afterburner into the sky where it had come from. All in a matter of seconds, quite a show! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
You mean like this (http://www01.peoplebank.com/staff/damir/videos/waddington-2000/wmv/vigen-landing.wmv)? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

/J

[ASA_ODEN]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>..You mean http://www01.peoplebank.com/staff/damir/videos/waddington-2000/wmv/vigen-landing.wmv? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

/J<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif he didn't even have time to take a ...

[j-squirrel]

Oh my gawd, you're here too!!! &lt;screams and runs away/&gt;

/J

[ASA_ODEN]

You know I'll haunt ya J-Star http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
can u feel the R&R global grab? Mohuahuaha

nope.. i r off to eject from a Falcon 4 mission
(g'damn I suck)

[Viper16_007]

yeah thats one modern ugly bird, hope it's looks don't reflect it's functionality http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Retreating?! Hell no, we're just attacking the other direction!
http://img37.photobucket.com/albums/v113/Viper16_007/vp.gif
Never argue with an idiot, They'll just drag you down to thier level and beat you with experience.

[ka-51]

God...Please dont add this "thing" to the game...i'l throw mine away if they do...if u gonna add something like that please add a Piper J-3 Cub instead. I thought at first they made this plane for the movie Independence Day to be flown by the aliens but then i saw it flying for real...God help us.

[synthjocke]

ive sat in in a AJ37 (Attack version) it was wery confertabel.. for you guys that dont know wat the wor viggen means i can gladly tell you it means Struck Of Lightning.. or Thunderbolt..
...
sweden has a good history of our plane making.. we where the 3rd Dedliest Airforce in the 50s..

and Jas39 isnt so bad either..
volvo, saab and ericsson in action http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif