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TacticalSkirmsh
04-19-2004, 09:50 AM
Situation - Want to provide continuous fighter escort for a bomber.

I setup the waypoints for the bomber, etc.

Now what I have been doing is placing similar fighter waypoints and on the first waypoint after take-off setting the bomber as the Target for the fighters. Seems to work - fighters circle back over bomber in order to stay with it.

However, upon further reading a little unsure now. Can I get away with just takeoff (one waypoint) and Target the bomber? Will the fighters escort the bomber, or do I have to still establish all their waypoints AND set their Target at each waypoint to the bomber?

Finally, if only one waypoint is needed, if a set another one for landing, will they land after/with the bomber if they have been targeted to the bomber right after take-off?

‚"I opened fire only when the whole windshield was black with the enemy . . . . at minimum range . . . . it doesn‚'t matter what your angle us to him or whether you are in a turn or any other maneuver.‚"Ě (Colonel Erich ‚"Bubi‚"Ě Hartmann, GAF)

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TacticalSkirmsh
04-19-2004, 09:50 AM
Situation - Want to provide continuous fighter escort for a bomber.

I setup the waypoints for the bomber, etc.

Now what I have been doing is placing similar fighter waypoints and on the first waypoint after take-off setting the bomber as the Target for the fighters. Seems to work - fighters circle back over bomber in order to stay with it.

However, upon further reading a little unsure now. Can I get away with just takeoff (one waypoint) and Target the bomber? Will the fighters escort the bomber, or do I have to still establish all their waypoints AND set their Target at each waypoint to the bomber?

Finally, if only one waypoint is needed, if a set another one for landing, will they land after/with the bomber if they have been targeted to the bomber right after take-off?

‚"I opened fire only when the whole windshield was black with the enemy . . . . at minimum range . . . . it doesn‚'t matter what your angle us to him or whether you are in a turn or any other maneuver.‚"Ě (Colonel Erich ‚"Bubi‚"Ě Hartmann, GAF)

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TacticalSkirmsh
04-19-2004, 12:55 PM
What? You guys no nothing about FMB?

Just throwing some smack talk down to wrestle an answer out of you fine mates. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Regards,
TactS!

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TacticalSkirmsh
04-19-2004, 12:56 PM
Sorry for the mistake - "no" should be "know." Why, why can't I edit my posts mods?

‚"I opened fire only when the whole windshield was black with the enemy . . . . at minimum range . . . . it doesn‚'t matter what your angle us to him or whether you are in a turn or any other maneuver.‚"Ě (Colonel Erich ‚"Bubi‚"Ě Hartmann, GAF)

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plumps_
04-19-2004, 01:26 PM
OK, I thought you'd have found out yourself by now if one waypoint is enough as it's quite easy if you do some trial & error.

As far as I remember (didn't test in AEP) the escort will accompany the bombers until it reaches the last waypoint of its own flight path. So you don't need waypoints parallel to the bombers' but you must make sure that the escort doesn't come too close to its last waypoint.

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plumps_
04-19-2004, 01:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TacticalSkirmsh:
why can't I edit my posts mods?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Did you see the folder symbols bottom right of your post? Move your mouse over them to see what they're linked to.

And if you get the 'Mandatory field...' message go back and try again.

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[This message was edited by plumps_ on Mon April 19 2004 at 12:46 PM.]

TacticalSkirmsh
04-20-2004, 06:21 AM
Thanks mate!

Haven't had a chance to even to my computer on since I asked the question, so happy to have an answer. Will do a quick mission to test as you said.

In the meantime, should you read this further question sometime today (have to work late might not get a chance to experiment for yet another day http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif), escort flight has 1-take-off, 2-waypoint targt bomber which provides escort for bomber, but do I add a 3-waypoint for landing and where (does it matter?)

Anxious to test just can't get to my machine - this life thing is really bothersome to a gamer!

Regards

P.S. Thanks for commenting on my inability to edit posts. Sorry mate, but it refuses to let me edit my posts, regardless of the number of times I try.

‚"I opened fire only when the whole windshield was black with the enemy . . . . at minimum range . . . . it doesn‚'t matter what your angle us to him or whether you are in a turn or any other maneuver.‚"Ě (Colonel Erich ‚"Bubi‚"Ě Hartmann, GAF)

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Tully__
04-21-2004, 06:30 AM
There's a timeout for edit access. If you get to them right after posting you should be able to do it, but if you come back to it in an hour or so, it wont work. The Ubi wide default is 60 minutes, but there are a couple of forums with custom settings and I don't have access to the individual forum settings so I can't check.

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TacticalYak3
04-21-2004, 07:53 AM
Thanks Tully, created a new account in the hopes of resolving some of my posting problems of late.

Had a chance to do some further testing. It appeared to me that all the waypoints (flight path) of both the bomber and its escort must be provided. By setting the escort's target to the bomber (the first waypoint after take-off) they appear to follow/circle the bomber. With no flight path they remained at their first waypoint (near their own base).

I had wondered whether just one waypoint after take-off, with them targeting the bomber, would have had resulted in them following the bomber through its entire flight path - this would have made it a lot easier to create coops.

For clarification, do folks target the bomber (in case of providing escort) at each waypoint of the escort planes, or do they just do it once? I just target the bomber once, which seems to work and looks like other game missions have been created this way.

In any event, having both the bomber and fighters with similar flight paths and speeds provides an obvious "escort."

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Tully__
04-21-2004, 07:58 AM
One point further on the Login issue. Don't use the "Logout" button or you'll be back to square one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Tully__
04-21-2004, 08:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TacticalYak3:
For clarification, do folks target the bomber (in case of providing escort) at each waypoint of the escort planes, or do they just do it once? I just target the bomber once, which seems to work and looks like other game missions have been created this way.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As most of my mission building is for coop, out of habit I put fighter waypoints alongside all the bomber waypoints for the human pilots to follow. Since it's a habit, I do it in single player missions as well without even thinking about it.

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Bearcat99
04-22-2004, 01:49 PM
Same here....

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LuckyNed
05-12-2004, 09:34 PM
S!

O.k. I'm really baffled now. I can get numerous planes(with only one waypoint) to pickup the waypoint of a single course of flight but I can't get a fighter to escort anybody! lol. I linked 8 bombers from different airfields together and they all went with the 1st plane to a different airfield and landed but I can't get an escort to join up. Hmmm. This is killing me. I know it must work..somehow!

TacticalYak3
05-13-2004, 06:58 AM
It's been my limited experience that one must use similar flight paths and plane speeds to provide a close prolonged escort.

Use your fighter's target button to select the bombers you want to escort, but keep in mind that this will only work for that waypoint.

Afterwards, as the bombers move away from that particular waypoint, the fighters will resume their flight path.

Therefore, setup similar flight paths for both bombers and escorts to ensure coverage. One thing I have been guilty of is making the flight paths too close (causing mid-air collisions http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif); I parallel their flight paths now.

Have fun!

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LuckyNed
05-13-2004, 08:26 AM
Strange success. I've only recently tried working with the "escort" feature in hopes I might discover a way to add some triggers or surprizes for my own SP missions.

I still can't get an escort to add itself to a flight of bombers but I can do it if I do it backwards! I set up a flight of fighters and then set one waypoint for different sets of bombers along the route of the fighters. I click the 'escort' from the 1 bomber's waypoint to a waypoint of the fighter's course and the bombers add themselves to the flight of the fighters and follow the fighter's course. I add a Gattack to the fighters flight path and the bombers break off to attack the target. Strange but I'll take it!

TacticalYak3
05-13-2004, 10:58 AM
If it works great mate! Have to try that when I get back to making some more coops. Thanks

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