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Zard0z
02-05-2004, 12:54 AM
I will not accept that you could not raise enough subscribers to fund the online game. How many people would have paid at least 30$ for a 3 month card?

Zard0z
02-05-2004, 12:54 AM
I will not accept that you could not raise enough subscribers to fund the online game. How many people would have paid at least 30$ for a 3 month card?

LiquorCooChee
02-05-2004, 01:08 AM
i would pay in a heartbeat......

gordonstanifort
02-05-2004, 01:24 AM
I would definately. Just give me a chance
.

Jodola
02-05-2004, 01:49 AM
In a heartbeat. Even $45.00 for a three month pass...

Angelie-4
02-05-2004, 02:30 AM
I would too....

Zard0z
02-05-2004, 03:54 AM
Thats 1..2..3..4..5, 5 people in one hour. That is 150 bucks!! 150, into the pile! Start crankin' out them cards!

Ian [Atrus]
02-05-2004, 03:57 AM
Actually I was thinking to buy a whole year of Uru live in advance, before this came up...

It's like an investment: if it goes good, you'll get far more than what you paid; if it doesn't work, well, I suppose each one of us has lost a lot more than 50 bucks in stock exchange.

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Zard0z
02-05-2004, 04:03 AM
Thats 200, but a year might be pushin' it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Oh yeah, don't forget to stop by here:
http://www.petitiononline.com/savelive/petition.html

Ian [Atrus]
02-05-2004, 04:18 AM
As I was saying, I would have bought an year of Uru before this. Now I'm skeptical at the idea of buying more than three months... not because of the game, but because of how Ubi and Cyan are handling the situation. It hurts me to say this, but it's how I feel now.

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bkehle
02-05-2004, 04:39 AM
Add me to the list! I would happily pay up to a year at a time. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bedste
02-05-2004, 05:35 AM
I'm not sure I would have committed to a full year but I wouldn't have thought twice about 6 months.

Nomars
02-05-2004, 05:55 AM
Absolutely... I would be willing to pay a couple of months in advance. 3 months for sure and if really necessary half a year.

They only way to make something new and great like this work is by proofing it will. We have to show the world Uru before subscribers will poor in.

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SaharaCassam
02-05-2004, 06:37 AM
I would pay any amount to keep the online game - I paid out on a new computer with all the recommended spec and more, bought several games to give to friends and relatives all over the world, was about to order more in bulk for members of my website who are also scattered over the world so we could all be in one hood - money was not a problem. This is just such a sad day.

I know I have said this in another thread but I cannot believe that war games get to stay online when there is so much of it going on in the real world - no question about them getting their jollies - then something intelligent like URU comes around at long last and wham - sorry no room in this world for brains just psycho killers and wannabe killers - infact I think war games should be banned or shunned like porn and drug abuse!

Anyway, I will miss everyone I made friends with and hope intelligent companies get together to bring it back.

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dairyheir
02-05-2004, 07:33 AM
I would be willing to buy a 3-month subscription or an annual subscription. Its cheap entertainment when you consider it costs $9 to see a movie. I'd pay $100-200 annually IF, a big IF they worked to get the game working properly.

fizjig
02-05-2004, 08:55 AM
Okay, say you pre-paid for a three month subsciption. What happens when the cost of running the servers and paying the designers is still more than customers are bringing in? What if they still close Uru Live, two months from now? You'll be even more ticked off, because they shut down something you were actually paying for. It's sad, yes, but be grateful that they made this decision so early. It could have been much worse.

georgep007
02-05-2004, 08:59 AM
Hello,
I am confused. I was never in any way asked for any money.I would have joined if asked!So I am kind of baffled by the lack of money,-George

fizjig
02-05-2004, 09:29 AM
As far as I know they never asked for money yet.

I'm guessing it's a projected estimate. They know basically how much it costs to run it, already, from testing for the past few months. The price for users, to support that, was probably too much to be feasible. (That's all just guesses, though -- I don't work for Cyan, or anything.)

Sheerluck7
02-05-2004, 10:28 AM
I would

Support uru live! (http://www.petitiononline.com/savelive/petition.html)

LiquidTV
02-05-2004, 10:46 AM
Sure: I would if the problems would have been solved...

Although I like the idea of expansion packs as well. Sure gonna buy these when they are released. First one is free, they say.

SilentObserver
02-05-2004, 10:54 AM
I'd buy 3 months of a fully functional Live in a heartbeat -- especially if I thought it would make a difference in giving Live the push to make it work.

Alternately, I'd love to get the update content as monthly downloaded updates on a subscription basis, like the updates for Live even without the MMO aspect. Get enough of those going, and Rand might be able to make the case for bringing Live back online.

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Shorahmin
02-05-2004, 10:56 AM
Me too

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Shorahmin
02-05-2004, 10:59 AM
An Open Letter to Rand Miller

Dear Mr. Miller,

I too develop software for a living although not remotely close to the magnitude and scope of your undertakings. Yet the first principles are the same. Having long ago "Walked a mile in your sandals", I will not criticize what you have accomplished. Instead, I wish to commend and encourage you and your staff. I will also add some free advice to the pile you have already received.

First, I see two basic ways to fail in our work: looking too far ahead or not looking far enough. If one must fail, I would prefer to be ahead of my time rather than behind. So it was with you. It seems that the cost of implementing your vision exceeded the revenue expected. I believe, over time, that expected revenues from grand visions like yours will likely rise. We need have no doubt that the costs of the MIPS and FLOPS needed for such visions will continue to fall. So keep your patents and copyrights current. The lines will cross sooner than expected.

Second, I encourage you to seek a less draconian solution. Perhaps your foot can remain slightly in the door with a less ambitious initial offering. For example, to simply provide the hoods as a splendid chat room environment might work. I know I would subscribe. So would everyone on my buddies list. Including access to the neighborhoods from the Prime game would keep the channels open - and keep us Mysto-Philes happy. Maintaining your presence in this way, would position you well for that moment in the near future when the lines do cross.

Regardless of your choice, I want to thank you and all those who work with you for non-violent games that are worth the effort to play, that are beautifully done, and satisfying to complete. We eagerly wait for the next thing from Cyan, whatever it may be.

Best Regards,

Larry Brickner AKA Shorahmin (Katran)

Kittyandapril
02-05-2004, 11:05 AM
I would pay any amount in what ever terms they would want it in!!! Uru Live was a big part of my life. I logged on every day and on most days played and visit others for up to 12 hours a day.

Known as "Kitty" on all shards

zackron1
02-05-2004, 11:11 AM
If I could be relitively assured that Cyan would not pull the plug as soon as they sold everyone their 3 month cards, then I would certainly be willing to consider it. But at this point, it seems that Cyan has no interest in pushing forward with UruLive, and could really care less about those who purchased it.

ThorIvar
02-05-2004, 11:17 AM
I'd gladly pay up front, too -- 3 months, 6 months, whatever!

Casmeer
02-05-2004, 11:21 AM
I have paid similar amounts in other online games with no problem. I feel a functional URU would be well worth it.

jawrgw1
02-05-2004, 11:29 AM
NO THANK YOU
Myst was not origionally designed for multyplayer mode and never should be, the role playing charactors are a major dounfall for this game.

Malaron
02-05-2004, 02:17 PM
I definitely would, never asked or given chance to pay.

Amyteria
02-05-2004, 03:14 PM
Memememe!

Ted_Koppel
02-05-2004, 03:17 PM
I'd pay 50.00 dollars U.S. for a three month game card.
Given that games costing roughly that much are pretty much beaten and used up in less time, 50 bucks would be well worth it.

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HylianJean
02-05-2004, 07:43 PM
I have been crying and calling for the chance to pay for a subscription. $10 or even $15 per month seems more than reasonable even for the game in its current condition, with no promise of new content for months to come. I'd GLADLY purchase three months in advance.
Cyan would need only give me the opportunity.

~Moiety Jean

Huela
02-05-2004, 08:47 PM
Add me to this list. I've been saving a chunk of $ because I heard there might be a discounted 1-year subscription. Instead of gambling that I'd have 'this month's subscription' I was planning on paying for a whole year if possible.

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Aquirlen
02-05-2004, 08:52 PM
I have been waiting to pay! This is such a shame. I do not believe that there was not a following. Many people, including myself, would be willing to pay, and play. Very disapointed. :'(

Darthvodka
02-05-2004, 08:57 PM
well i know i would have paid to play live and i will pay if it will keep live running as it is now even.

But alas it looks as though live will be up for the 2004 Vaporware of the yaer award.

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MYSTEXILE
02-05-2004, 09:02 PM
I will pay in advance for 3 month,1 year, 2 years anything. But they never asked us to pay yet. Ask us and see how much money you CAN get up front so that live will be live. Many Myst fans are not kids working at burger king. (some may be, Game on.) My point is that people who love this game come from generations who have steady good paying jobs and will cough up the funds if asked. SO ASK US PLEASE! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Zard0z
02-05-2004, 09:10 PM
Thats about a thousand dollars and about one months T1 rental in 24 hours, in 2 more days you will have one months T3 leasing. How can you not afford to host a server?

Zard0z
02-05-2004, 09:22 PM
Not to mention the 1500 signatures currently on the petition, the majortiy of which say they would pay. Thats about as much as 45,000 dollars in less than 24 hours. Thats already 180,000 a year projected or one CEO's salary. Worst comes to worst, then sacrifice he CEO and you have three coder salaries for a year.

Srikandi
02-05-2004, 10:15 PM
I think you guys have missed the point.

Cyan wanted everybody who bought Uru to be able to continue playing.

The very large majority of people who bought Uru had no interest in an online game, as it turned out.

It wasn't about funding the servers. It was about reaching the players.

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Zard0z
02-05-2004, 11:34 PM
With the lag and limited space available on the server was it any wonder? Avid fans will put up wih anything, but new comers can be easily daunted. If these problems were fixed within six months those numbers would turn around. Plus how could they know noone would be interesed if they hadn't even gotten around to selling subsciptions yet?

Judebelmont
02-05-2004, 11:53 PM
I would... let's fight for it.

fizjig
02-06-2004, 07:10 AM
$60k for a coder's salary? Maybe in South Dakota, but they're in Silicon Valley. The cost of living is utterly ridiculous out there -- it costs more than $50k a year for most apartments. (I've been there job hunting, been offered more than I've ever made, and yet, here I am in Florida because otherwise I'd have to sleep in my car.) I don't think a hundred subscribers at $20 or so a month would make much difference, all things considered.

Hamsta
02-06-2004, 07:27 AM
I would pay $50 for 3 Month, but only without the lag!

salgene
02-06-2004, 08:28 AM
I think alot of the problem stems from the type of connection that is needed.

If you have a dialup connection you really can't play the game very well (or at all) broadband is not very easy to get for some. Some people can't get a broadband service in thier area. plus the cost for broadband can be very expensive. depending on the type and speed you get.

I would of bought a game card for 3months, I do it for another game that I play which is Everquest. When I heard about URU I was like cool. I mean I loved Myst and Riven. So I bought URU.

As long as people that want it are still around and keep up the support. Hopefully they are still watching.

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Iammee
02-06-2004, 10:02 AM
I would pay. I love my myst games and books. I was looking so foward to all the new world. There always is such a long time in between games. It would have been so cool to have new worlds right at your finger tips. Sad to see it's not working out. I would have paid what ever it took.

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rar16rw
02-06-2004, 10:13 AM
::waves credit card::

Sign me up for one year!

MaliaLydia
02-06-2004, 10:27 AM
$$$Waves credit card and checkbook$$$

boatingirl
02-06-2004, 10:39 AM
I would certainly sign up. I think they need to work out some glitches though.....When they say there are not enough people online, and when you go online and you can't get into the city because there are too many people... well it seems to me there's a bit of doublespeak going on.

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juneous
02-06-2004, 10:53 AM
almost everyone who has ever logged onto URU live - I certainly would. It took me the best part of 3 months to complete offline character - I feel cheated, upset and angry we cannot continue with the live version. I met some very interesting people and like to think made a lot of friends overseas who will now just vanish into the MYST!

juneous
02-06-2004, 11:00 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by boatingirl:
I would certainly sign up. I think they need to work out some glitches though.....When they say there are not enough people online, and when you go online and you can't get into the city because there are too many people... well it seems to me there's a bit of doublespeak going on.

I entirely agree cindygirl, coverup seems to spring to mind, and you are so right about trying to get into the city some days were impossible no matter what time of the day. It speaks bundles when they increased the entry from 30 to 35???

juneous
02-06-2004, 11:05 AM
Another question for anyone who can answer it.. why set up another server - Guinniver on the 4th Feb only to pull the plug on the 5th does this make sense to anyone out there

Zard0z
02-07-2004, 11:34 AM
Just to f' with us http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

pickles295
02-07-2004, 11:38 AM
Count me in!!!!!!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zard0z:
I will not accept that you could not raise enough subscribers to fund the online game. How many people would have paid at least 30$ for a 3 month card?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

MikeysMom
02-07-2004, 12:51 PM
I would have and still will if given the opportunity, pay a years subscription in advance. I'd be willing to pay $25 a month.

boatingirl
02-07-2004, 08:10 PM
I will absolutely pay to continue Uru Live. I was in the city today and I think it took me about two hours to navigate through it.(sorry to the people who were waiting). my point was only that they need to fix some problems.maybe they were in a rush to get it out by christmas.

bonkersville
02-07-2004, 09:41 PM
I would love to buy a three month card, as long as it actually meant there would be a game to continue to play - and to learn from! This has been my first attempt to use the internet in a game situation and the art work, the community, and the challenge have been outstanding!

ruxjaye
02-08-2004, 01:03 AM
Definately.

Rux
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Ashtara
02-08-2004, 01:34 AM
Well I would certainly pay for a 3 month game card, just to keep Uru aLive. It's been great being there and meeting all of the wonderful people, from all over the world. You will be missed.

Ashtar

Di-ane
02-10-2004, 04:19 PM
I would pay for a 3 month card, and i would pay up to $90 in advace....
i would also pay for a year in advance @ $20/month...maybe more
i would also like to know, that if it subscription numbers/amounts that are lacking, would any moneygo for some real promotion?

loriendil
02-10-2004, 04:23 PM
Oooh me!

~Lee

sydian
02-10-2004, 04:55 PM
I'll pay...whatever it takes. Name your price Ubi.

Jeff433
02-10-2004, 05:14 PM
here's my 30 bucks

SG_Coyote
02-10-2004, 05:49 PM
$30 for the laggy access in the big city? Never. My money is better spent on food for the poor.

{Phoenicia}
02-10-2004, 05:54 PM
Hey, hey! We're talking Uru here. If you didn't want the game, then fine! Spend your money on somethin' else! If you don't appreciate what you spend your money on, who will? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Edit: Oh yes, and you'd have my money as well. I want my Live! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[This message was edited by chorazin on Tue February 10 2004 at 05:38 PM.]

tkwiggins
02-10-2004, 06:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Di-ane:
I would pay for a 3 month card, and i would pay up to $90 in advace.... i would also pay for a year in advance @ $20/month...maybe more
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ditto. And compared to the prices of my DVDs, cable TV, satellite TV, magazine subscriptions or even a decent dinner out for two once a month, it'd be a bargain.

felodese
02-10-2004, 06:47 PM
$50 a month here, but on a monthly basis and a 1 year contract that is void if they close the servers. That's with the current bugs and a pledge from them to attempt to fix them.
If I won the lottery today, I'd buy the rights away from whoever cut the money in the first place and put Cyan back on track. I think it'ds be a good investment in the long run. Ppl on dial-up in our hood were having tons of fun.

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Rindercella
02-10-2004, 07:00 PM
Ooh, Ooh, Ooh! (imagine Horshack here). I would pay for a 3-month card or a 6-month subscription.

Sosiqui
02-10-2004, 07:23 PM
Me.

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sloanie977
02-10-2004, 09:30 PM
count me in

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AussieMystic
02-10-2004, 09:42 PM
I wouldn't pay a cent for Live as we saw it, in Prologue phase, because it was full of technical glitches and had very little content.

If I was persuaded that Live proper had an acceptable amount of content, and I could play it pretty much any time I wanted instead of sitting around waiting for one of a handful of player spaces to become free, and the technical issues were resolved - then I would consider paying for it.

moonbeams
02-10-2004, 11:11 PM
Count me in, what ever they need Cyan, that is... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Sorry still not to fond of UBI!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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hogarth...
02-10-2004, 11:37 PM
Me too, of course.

I just got through uninstalling Uru from my machine. Going back into the game was pointless - not to mention unbearably sad - without the Live component.

This game was designed from the ground up to be LIVE. There is no reason to bother with it in it's current state.

Ubisoft...you DESTROYED Uru. Please - do whatever you can to restore it. I hope you can hear the jingling sound of the cold hard cash that we are laying on the table here. You want more? We've got more. Name your price.

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LiquorCooChee
02-11-2004, 02:52 AM
I think UBI/CYAN has proven that its customers really dont much matter. Most of us simply want a way to play online or LAN, even if UBI/CYAN would have left one server open, if for nothing else to allow its loyal fans to access the neighborhood where we could still meet and hang out....they could have just simply have closed the city and left the neighborhood running and most of us would have been happy. How much could it cost for them to have left just one server up for that reason alone? I can tell you that they would have a much happier bunch of customers than they do now. Most of us would have even payed money for that ability! Sure its great that they are offering us expansion packs, and for some people that is ok, but for the rest of us, we feel cheated and very, very unhappy! Please UBI/CYAN hear our pleas and don't let them fall on deaf ears. Give us LAN or a way we can host our own servers or better yet, one server with the neighborhoods...It's what we want and it will make us very happy and loyal customers again.

LCC

Bracol
02-11-2004, 07:17 AM
I would have. I would even be willing to go for a year.

linkerjpatrick
02-11-2004, 07:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LiquorCooChee:
I think UBI/CYAN has proven that its customers really dont much matter. Most of us simply want a way to play online or LAN, even if UBI/CYAN would have left one server open, if for nothing else to allow its loyal fans to access the neighborhood where we could still meet and hang out....they could have just simply have closed the city and left the neighborhood running and most of us would have been happy.

LCC<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I personally would really prefer this method of connecting to people that the overall massive way as was being attempted. I'm more of a small group kind of guy than a large crowd. In real life and in the "virtual world" I sort of freak out in large groups. So what you are suggesting is very appealing to me and I do thing that Cyan hasn't totally discounted the idea. However their main focus is the "story" more than just the social aspect alone. They will still be able to control the story with the expansion packs but with lans or a peer to peer system things would have to be cordinated and the only way I can see syncing with the story would be for us to still log on to servers and download updates before playing. that might be a little tricky. I don't think it would be impossible but I think their main focus right now is getting the expansion packs out.

I do think some form of live will return. I think they would prefer to have a "central" live service as opposed to smaller "cells" because of the characters they may wish to introduce but who knows.


I was just watching a Uru video the other night and Rand highly emphasized that everything was about the story. I think to Cyan their works are a cross between books, movies and the interactive component.

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Whitewalker
02-11-2004, 07:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I do think some form of live will return <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have a feeling about that as well, in a positive way. Live has potential, it just needs a more mature audience to adapt to it. And where is that mature audience? Where else but in real life. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Chwith
02-11-2004, 08:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LiquorCooChee:
I think UBI/CYAN has proven that its customers really dont much matter. Most of us simply want a way to play online or LAN, even if UBI/CYAN would have left one server open, if for nothing else to allow its loyal fans to access the neighborhood where we could still meet and hang out....they could have just simply have closed the city and left the neighborhood running and most of us would have been happy. How much could it cost for them to have left just one server up for that reason alone? I can tell you that they would have a much happier bunch of customers than they do now. Most of us would have even payed money for that ability! Sure its great that they are offering us expansion packs, and for some people that is ok, but for the rest of us, we feel cheated and very, very unhappy! Please UBI/CYAN hear our pleas and don't let them fall on deaf ears. Give us LAN or a way we can host our own servers or better yet, one server with the neighborhoods...It's what we want and it will make us very happy and loyal customers again.

LCC<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, for the record, Cyan was content. Ubi was servers. Cyan, developer. Ubi, Publisher. Cyan, rock solid developer with a track record of producing some wonderful, well done games. Ubi, rock solid (for the most part) publisher/ developer with a sketchy history on the production side (I point to XIII as a recent example as well as Live.) Cyan is very active in the Myst community and Ubi (for some part of it and you know who you are http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ) is as well.
Cyan wouldn't turn a deaf ear to its fans and there are those at Ubi who would not let them do so lightly.

I posted this on another thread today and it bears repeating:
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lesrees
02-11-2004, 08:43 AM
I will soon be moving and (sob) giving up my cable connection.

I would definately PAY for the LAN code. That way I could at least get my partner to help now and then.

Oh yeah, I would pay for a 3 month card even though I could only use it for 1 month.

Les

Jules-Verne
02-11-2004, 09:13 AM
I would - more than gladly.

JerryT3977
02-11-2004, 10:48 AM
I'd buy a three month subscription, but I would have to see continued improvement on line to renew after that.

JerryT

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TheDuckie
02-11-2004, 11:33 AM
letmethinkaboutitasecondNO.

rinas
02-11-2004, 12:21 PM
sign me in!!!

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jimhandy
02-11-2004, 03:12 PM
just tell me when.

MaliaLydia
02-11-2004, 08:57 PM
Me too!