is the 6800 gt any good?

[nnamdi247]

is the nvidia 6800 gt any good? im trying to make comparisons for the next vid card to buy. 300$ seems like a good price for equivalent performance to a 5950. am i right?

[nnamdi247]

is the nvidia 6800 gt any good? im trying to make comparisons for the next vid card to buy. 300$ seems like a good price for equivalent performance to a 5950. am i right?

[poppachocks1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nnamdi247:
is the nvidia 6800 gt any good? im trying to make comparisons for the next vid card to buy. 300$ seems like a good price for equivalent performance to a 5950. am i right?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where are you seeing the 6800GT for 300.00?

[MJolman]

comp usa

[poppachocks1]

Sure you don't mean the 6800? The GT model goes for 399.00

[nnamdi247]

yea i mean the 6800 nu

[Mad_Murdock2k]

Well, I'll give you my take. I know some others will disagree, but that's what makes forums so great.

Overall, I'm "currently" disappointed with the performance of the 6800GT. Sure I have spots where I hit 200+ fps, but that's pointless, no I'm annoyed about the spots where I hit 25-30 fps and that is namely in Multiplayer. There are certain views on Monkeybay Island, where I'm dipping and they are areas I can't afford to dip.

Currently, I'm giving it a try on High settings, with 2xAA and no AF. And I got a few issues there, so I may have to drop to medium, if that happens, then I'm no better off, then the 9800 Pro, I just took out.

The good news is, overall the single player plays fine. Only, a few locations do I drop in the 30s, when running on VHQ, turning AA and AF on doesn't seem to hurt performance at all.

I'm counting on some drivers from nvidia and the 1.2 patch to help things out here, because I can't believe this is all I'm getting.

If you going between a 5950 Ultra and a 6800 plain, then it's going to be about equal performance, which is a worse than mine, so don't look for it to be a miracle card.

Knowing what I know now, I would have waited a while before upgrading. Currently, I don't feel I got $440 worth of video card. Not like when I went from a TI4400 to a 9800 Pro.

That's my take, others will vary

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[Mad_Murdock2k]

Just a follow up, here are some screenshots (http://www.geocities.com/dale.white/FarCry/lowfps.htm) of me trying to play Monkeybay MP with the setting at High and VHQ, NoAA and NoAF.

I would like to note, that the number actually seem to get better the longer I play the game, and interestly enough. I can go to the same spots 3-4 times and get different fps each time. The shot where I'm getting 27fps, maybe give me 45 fps the next time I run there, then 32, the next time.

Again other ares, I've gotten has high as 141 fps.

Come on 1.2 patch !

[Jabroni_619]

mad, curious. What drivers are you running with that card? Those are some pretty low FPS' for that card and those settings.

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[hazards32]

Murdock2k,your not being cpu limited are you ?.Its doing a lot of work in a MP format .
Or packet loss with the server? .
Its seem unfair to judge it on MP at the moment .Whats the performance like in SP.I am interested to know as at the moment its looking like my card of choice .
Few questions on it ,whats the PSU requirement for rhe GT? and strange rumors of them being compatable with both AGP and PCIexpress ,is this true?

[Gibjee]

Mad, what kind of hardware do you have? CPU, RAM and what Jabroni asked, what driver version? Somewhere you might be bottlenecking your card. The card cant do everything itself.

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[icebaron84]

Why is it that Nvidia hasn't posted an "official" driver for the 6800 series on their site yet? We are forced to use betas and in order to get FarCry to work properly without glitches, I had to load a driver that cause some of my other games to not work properly.

Also, what's the deal with this 1.2 patch, it's taking forever. They should try to get these things out more quickly so people don't have to suffer with problems.

[Mad_Murdock2k]

Uh, I'm guessimg you guys didn't click the link, I included the system specs on the web page. But here the main one I tested on. I have a 2nd system, that even better, and got the same results

P4-3.4GHz
2GB of DDR400
Drivers tested, 61.21,61.71,61.80
Thermaltake 480W PSU
Windows XP Pro and win2k
1024x768x32

Hazard, It's completely fair to judge MP, since that what I play now. This is the same performance I got the the 9800 Pro. On a few of those screen shots, it was a empty server.
Also, I noted in another post, I dropped to 29 fps on the carrier level when I reached the top where you battle the chopper.

I will say that overall, Singleplayer plays fine for 85% of the game, meaning I stay above 40 fps, in the Cooler level, I'm humming around 100fps most of the time. It's namely the outdoor maps that do me in.

I will also note, that the MP map airfield, I also stay at 70+ average with areas that maintain 100.

Monkeybay, which is the probably the most played MP FFA map, is the one that gives me the most grief.

I also like to again reference this article (http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTA4ODEwMzE5ME9waVhxWmxmUU1fMl82X 2wuZ2lm) on hardocp, where they got as low has 27 fps on a P4-3.4Ghz\AMD64 3500 and a 6800 Ultra and a X800XT. So it's not like it's impossible.

[hazards32]

Ok murdock ,it should run better than that in that resolution ,guess i will save my money and wait for the NV50 and R500 range if driver improvements dont happen soon.
It does seem strange though ,those points arent the most graphically intense (well the chopper bit anyway ).
So the wide open large areas give you the most trouble ,they fixed the shader issues but now cant push the polygons ,you agree?

[Mad_Murdock2k]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> they fixed the shader issues but now cant push the polygons ,you agree? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hazard, Don't ask me, I have no ideal what the deal is. Right now, I'm just hoping the 1.2 patch in conjuction with some better nvidia drivers will make it better

I also want to note, that all the other games are fine BF1942, BF-V, Painkiller. Of course, none of those games push the hardware like Far Cry, so I have no other "matured" game to really test with

[hazards32]

You have played painkiller ,you poor poor man .
How many hours of decent games did it take to recover from the experience ?.

[icebaron84]

I'm glad i'm not the only one that felt Painkiller wasn't so great. I just hate games with hordes and hordes of monsters coming at you like that, it reminded me of Serious Sam http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[gain967]

I saw a test that showed that the x800xt is as much as 17% faster when combined with and athlon 64 bit cpu as opposed to a pentium 3.2 ghz cpu ... When i get my x800xt card it will be happy to see an athlon 64 bit sitting near by....lol Mad sorry to say but those pictures dont look to good....... sorry your gt is a disapointment ..Can you send it back for a credit towards an x800xt.......

[This message was edited by gain967 on Sat July 10 2004 at 04:17 PM.]

[hazards32]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by icebaron84:
I'm glad i'm not the only one that felt Painkiller wasn't so great. I just hate games with hordes and hordes of monsters coming at you like that, it reminded me of Serious Sam http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Luckily i only played a demo . It seemed to me all i had to do was use the spinny blade thing and watch the endless hordes of monsters get chewed up in slow motion .
Played an entire level without coming close to dying ,or even worse ,ENJOYING MYSELF , AAAAAAAHHHHH PLEASE DONT LET ME HAVE FUN.
What a tedious game .I think the did a complicated formula of , 1 aspirin for every monster killed =a quick death for the poor soul who bought our game .
Any youngsters who read this ,I was only joking .

[gain967]

doulble post

[Mad_Murdock2k]

Hazard, I actually though painkiller was OK. Though it was a stuggle to care enough to finish the game. When I first saw the promo for Painkiller I thought it was lame, but then I bought into all the hype about it, Should have went with my gut.

Icebaron, I loved Serious Sam. It was over the top, but that was by design and it was a great flash back to the Quake1\Doom days. And it had great graphics at the time. Painkiller was suppose to take me back to the Quake1 days, but it did in the worst way

Gain, I'll be keep the GT and sticking it in my secondary gaming system. I'll still be getting the XT at some point, but I may wait a while longer to see what ATI has plained for SMS 3.0 first, or if something better is due out by the Holidays

I actually posted the wrong HardOCP link, In the Apples to Apples (http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjMyLDU=) comparison, the AMD is only 2 fps faster than the Intel with the X800XT. So at the moment, no big winner on that one

Interestlying enough the 6800 Ultra is 2 fps faster on the Intel, then the AMD. But is still 6-10 fps slower than the X800XT. So the XT is still the card to have.

[JASaxman]

I had the eVGA 6800GT since July 2nd and have had wonderful sucess in Far Cry, along with all my other 3D applications. I'm confused about some of the posts here about frame rates. I upgraded from a Gainward GeforceFx 5900 Ultra, and the 6800 GT almost doubled my fps in Far Cry. My frame rates average in the upper 70's and 80's all through the single player game, and this is me running in 1024 x 768x32 with all details set to MAX. Every now and then it will dip to 30's, in some indoor levels, but only 2 or 3 times durring the whole game. As far as the multiplayer is conserned, its horrid network code. It doesn't matter if your hosting the game, or joining, your frame rate will be horried in some levels. Its not the card thats at fault, so don't blame it. Trust me, I've converted all but 3 of the SP maps for 4 player coop, and some stages frame rates peek at around 10fps, and not worth playing. Still working out the bugs on scripting though... :/

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[Mad_Murdock2k]

JAS,

You didn't meantion if you are playing with AA or AF on. And whether you are using the in-game AA and AF or the Nvidia settings. HardOCP ran into teeh same issues I did and that was, setting teh AF and AA in the nvidia panel didn't do anything, we both had to set it to the in game.

I'm afraid I don't agree with your stance on the MP portion. I can play on Medium settings and have no problems, but I could do that on my 9800 Pro.

If I run a standalone server or go to an empty server, I should not drag down to 27 fps. That has nothing to do with the netcode. If it was netcode, I should get drops when running on medium too. I also noted that it's namely Monkey Island (wide open outdoor) that I have the issue, Airfield plays fine at around 70-100 fps, But I don't play much assult

Like I said early, on 85% of the Single Player, I got 70+ fps, it's that other 15% and the MP that's getting me frustrated. Maybe I'm too picky, but I was kinda expecting pure happiness 100% of the time.

[This message was edited by Mad_Murdock2k on Sat July 10 2004 at 05:23 PM.]

[JASaxman]

I'm using the Application controlled AA and AF. But the problem your describing is related to a network code issue, not the 6800 itself. You asked about the 6800 GT performance, but was upset about MP being slow. The 6800 GT is not to blame for this, unlike what some other members were posting. Sorry if there was some confusion. In the reply.

[Mad_Murdock2k]

I wasn't asking about the 6800 GT performance, I was giving my feedback on it

Try going to the top of the Carrier in Single player and you'll most likely get what I got and that was anywhere from 29-50 fps. The 50 is not bad, it's the long stint I spend in the 30s that's annoying and disappointing

[vivarey]

Upgrade to DirectX 9.0c
See here for instructions (http://www.iamnotageek.com/articles.php?aid=85&page=1&topic=DX_9c)

[no_1_dave]

Murdock2k I have the GT & have never experianced less then 30fps at anytime in farcry. The top of the carrier ran at about 40 & dropped to 35 once. I use 6AA & 16AF set by the farcry configarator in 1024 x 768. Have you checked your cards temps & has your case got good cooling? Remember if your card starts getting too hot it will start underclocking.

I've only used the AA & AF settings on the nvidia control panel for GTA, GTA VC, CoD & UT2004 (set them all to 8AA & 16AF), they all run perfectly with it set from there but I havent tried setting farcry from there. All I can think of is something being wrong. Try using driver cleaner then try the 61.36 windows certified drivers. They run farcry better then the 61.71 drivers. They were ganna be made official but they dont have PS3 support. As for the 61.80, they are dud drivers, older then the 61.71s & weren't released by nvidia.

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[MIN_Seal]

Besty Buy already had a deal on the 6800 GT for 299, but now its 399. It wont be long till the prices drop to 299. Its definantly worth the money.

[Exium]

I feel the same as Mad_Murdock2k, but instead I have an ATI Radeon X800 Pro. I was expecting better FPS and graphics when running FarCry with a X800 Pro. Right now its quite buggy with singleplayer FarCry (everything in the FarCry game video setting is on max, except Shadow is medium, Anti Aliasing is medium, and Anisotropic is at 4). I get a lot of artifacts in certain areas, and in indoors my FPS is worse than outdoors. Near the end of the Regulator level my FPS went down to 8 FPS once (there was like 10 dead bodies lying around while I was shooting at a merc which might have cause a performance hit). If I walk around the open area before I hide (at the end of the Regulator level) my FPS would sometimes dip around 18-24 FPS. In open areas sometimes the terrain would get stretched/screwy textures, and so does the armor/gun when a dead elite merc leaves behind. These problems maybe my fault because I am using the stock drivers from the CD that came with the X800 Pro, and I did not update FarCry with the latest patch. Still, it is is pretty bad the artifacts appeared even if I do not update my video card and FarCry. I know it is not a overheating problem cause UT2K4 has no artifacts at max settings and I get high FPS. I got pics to show when it is running nice and when it shows artifacts in FarCry. Sorry, they are not compressed.

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[This message was edited by Exium on Mon July 12 2004 at 03:46 AM.]

[Mad_Murdock2k]

No_1_davem

Well, I kinda know something is wrong, but I feel pretty confident it's not a hardware issue directly. The card is cool, I normally have the side off my case, and the room stays around 70f. I haven't seen the card get about 57c yet.

I'm working my way through the different drivers so far and just pulled down the 61.36, though so far the 61.80s have given the best performance.

Again, once things that some seem to keep overlooking is the hardOCP review. they also got low FPS numbers, so I don't feel I'm completely alone on this. If you never drop below 35 on teh carrier, great, but I don't expect that going to be common behavior.

Plus didn't you say that you overclocked you card to Ultra levels ? did you take it back down to GT level before testing it again ? Afterall, the thread is about the GT not the ultra.
**Edit** I just loaded up the 61.36 drivers and they seem to help a bit, but has this Pic shows (http://www.geocities.com/dale.white/FarCry/carrier.gif) I still get slow downs, all the way to 24 at some point.

I do want to make clear again, that this is an alwways case. I can, on the same level go stare at the wall and get 170 fps and on the carrier top, I normally hover around 40 fps.

My grumblings is the drops into the 30s, not just because it drops, but because it has a noticable laggy feel to it. Interestingly enough, It doesn't seem to make any different if I run at High AA and 4 AF or leave them off, which I guess the good thing about the 6800GT

[This message was edited by Mad_Murdock2k on Mon July 12 2004 at 07:28 AM.]

[T3chn0r]

Will a 6800 GT work perfectly fine with a P4 2.4Ghz? or my CPU will cause such a bottleneck that I won't be able to run the game with everything in 'Very High' and still have good (&gt;40) FPS... ??

[Mad_Murdock2k]

Techno, take a look at this thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=452106891&m=707101243&p=13) where I benchmarked a Xeon 2.4Ghz using the 6800GT. In that test I used the program Benchemall. You'll see the 2.4Ghz never makes it above 45 fps, so the CPU will hold you back

[mantase]

IS the 6800 gt anygood?

well ill happily give you my OPINION (people asking is something good or poor often doesnt make any sense, i have a hard enough time making up my own mind - asking someone to do it for me is pretty tough).
P4 2.53
768 DDR
6800GT (256 ram)NORMAL CLOCK SETTING

I have not done any framerate test. before this card i had a geforce 5700 (128) ram.

and the game had major stutters and slowdowns (still playable) at 1024x768 high settings for most water lowered and lighting lowered.the rate really drop with the more lights- turn on the flashlight and you where in trouble

After purchasing the 6800gt i was so amazed buy the quality and speed i started the game all over again. this time the settings where 1024 x 768 ALL SETTINGS MAXED including aa and af you couldnt find a jaggie anywhere and the card worked awesome. i had slowdowns in the typical spots volcano for one - and top of the carrier had a slow down but nothing like with the 5700
in fact the only level i had to change settings on was the volcano level ( i think all the heat comming off the lava was the killer) and that was on beta 61.72 drivers.

i wouldnt think twice about buying another one - i would just ship that baby overnight and be done with it.

edit - the driver version was 61.72 (its monday morning and i havent had enough coffee yet)

(p.s i dont need to do a framerate test to know if a game is playable or not - i can already hear the nay-sayers)

[This message was edited by Mantase on Mon July 12 2004 at 09:53 AM.]

[Chainsaw Bunny]

Hope it is ...

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[Mad_Murdock2k]

I agree with Mantase overall view of the card. No doubt I wish I had it when I first played Far Cry, has it would have been alot more fun for a first time experience.

Since I went from a 9800 Pro to a 6800GT, my level improvement wasn't so dramatic. Again, I think I probably had my expectation a little to high, though I still don't think I should even drop below 50.

If someone has a 5900XT or lower card, they will be more than thrilled with the peformance gain. Hopefully, they won't expect the card to walk on water, like I did

[dk8pack]

Mad murdock i got a slow down at the same place you did.. top of carrier. Alot of people get it there so guess we should accept it as normal

[Chainsaw Bunny]

Im upgrading from an non-ultra fx5600, to a geforce 6800 gt.

These things are selling like hotcakes, everytime they have come in at www.scan.co.uk, (http://www.scan.co.uk,) they have sold out straight away.

Another batch came in this afternoon and has allready sold out again. Luckily I managed to get one before they sold out and have confirmed shipping. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Dont forget with patch 1.2 and dx9.0c we are going to see more performance, then patch 1.3 more effects.

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[poppachocks1]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chainsaw Bunny:
Im upgrading from an non-ultra fx5600, to a geforce 6800 gt.

These things are selling like hotcakes, everytime they have come in at http://www.scan.co.uk, they have sold out straight away.

Another batch came in this afternoon and has allready sold out again. Luckily I managed to get one before they sold out and have confirmed shipping. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Dont forget with patch 1.2 and dx9.0c we are going to see more performance, then patch 1.3 more effects.

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http://www.nuclearcowboys.com<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Let's hope so! Mine will be here Wednesday.

[DarkElfa]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by icebaron84:
Why is it that Nvidia hasn't posted an "official" driver for the 6800 series on their site yet? We are forced to use betas and in order to get FarCry to work properly without glitches, I had to load a driver that cause some of my other games to not work properly.

Also, what's the deal with this 1.2 patch, it's taking forever. They should try to get these things out more quickly so people don't have to suffer with problems.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Try looking for an official driver release from your add-in card manufacturer. Mine, MSI, has already released an official 61.21 driver. Plus you'll find that the manufacturer's drivers often take advantage of special features they install on their card.

I myself am going to wait untill MSI comes out wioth their 6800 Ultra before purchasing. I used to be a Gainward fan, but after buying this MSI Starforce 5950 Ultra, I'm hooked on MSI for life.

On the note of performance, don't ever expect to get the kind of results for your hardware that the review sites do.

It's just never gonna happen.

Ever.

[no_1_dave]

The 61.21 drivers are **** compared to the 61.36 or the 61.71 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

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[DarkElfa]

Yes, but those are still beta.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

[bhaber]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I myself am going to wait untill MSI comes out wioth their 6800 Ultra before purchasing. I used to be a Gainward fan, but after buying this MSI Starforce 5950 Ultra, I'm hooked on MSI for life.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dark, what's so dope about the MSI card vs. any other manufacturer's? I was about to score an eVga 6800GT because it's available now and comes with a free FarCry disk (for lan action with the gf, hehe).

Thx a lot,

b

[DarkElfa]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bhaber:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I myself am going to wait untill MSI comes out wioth their 6800 Ultra before purchasing. I used to be a Gainward fan, but after buying this MSI Starforce 5950 Ultra, I'm hooked on MSI for life.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dark, what's so dope about the MSI card vs. any other manufacturer's? I was about to score an eVga 6800GT because it's available now and comes with a free FarCry disk (for lan action with the gf, hehe).

Thx a lot,

b<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Have you seen the box those things come in?! They're freakin huge!!

No, seriously, it's the quality of the card and the software, not to mention the Starforce came with the best heatsink fan of all time. A manufacturer that puts that kind of HS/fan on a card will have my repeat business anytime. I mean this card comes stock at 475/950 and it'll OC to 580/1100 no problem. You have to admire that kind of performance.

[bhaber]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I mean this card comes stock at 475/950 and it'll OC to 580/1100 no problem. You have to admire that kind of performance.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Cool, thx.

b