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jawmaster3000
04-18-2004, 03:44 PM
HI,

is it true that ATI graphics are suffering because of poor programming for splinter cell?

which is better overal? ATI or Nvidia??

jawmaster3000
04-18-2004, 03:44 PM
HI,

is it true that ATI graphics are suffering because of poor programming for splinter cell?

which is better overal? ATI or Nvidia??

phllp_w
04-18-2004, 03:50 PM
Well I don't know about SC,
but because of lousy programming and developing to work best on nVidia (on some games),
ATI suffers alot... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Apart from that, ATI's cards are higher quality than nVidia's... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Colevant
04-18-2004, 03:52 PM
right now, all cards are getting the same graphics basically. This is a xbox port to pc, and the didnt spend much time in the optimization of this game for the pc, so untill they release patchs that update the coding, u really cant judge this game.

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jawmaster3000
04-18-2004, 03:54 PM
when the hell are they going to patch it then??

i am so frusterated with these problems right now

jaysacount
04-18-2004, 03:57 PM
currently, i have a radeon 9800 pro card and yes it does and suffer and yes it is basically because Ubi didn't take time ti program the game properly for the pc. XBOX is powered my an nvidia card, therefor will play better with nvidia cards, though i HOPE that ubi will release a patch correcting this. other than that, if the only game you're not sure about is splinter, buy a radeon, they have better quiality and performance http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ViewtifulUly
04-18-2004, 03:59 PM
It can take very long times for a developer to get around to patching their game. Why it takes so long? I have no clue. Us who are not in the actual industry can only make educated guesses as to why.

The only thing I can tell you is...

It gets worse. ALOT worse. If you ever had the game Savage: The Battle for Newerth, you'd know what I mean.

Colevant
04-18-2004, 04:14 PM
ya, i just tested that MSM trick, and it doesnt work, atleast not for me. I think its taking them so long becuase since they failed to do the proper coding, they are having to redue alot of stuff becuase hopefully they figured out that a pc isnt a xbox and it does require different things lol.

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SAW_AlleyViper
04-19-2004, 12:02 AM
What are you people insane! Nvidia is the best graphics card hands down...get your self a Nvidia 5950 256MB or wait for the PCI-X slot cards...NVIDIA rocks ATI worthless world!

SAW_AlleyViper
04-19-2004, 12:02 AM
What are you people insane! Nvidia is the best graphics card hands down...get your self a Nvidia 5950 256MB or wait for the PCI-X slot cards...NVIDIA rocks ATI worthless world!

SAW_AlleyViper
04-19-2004, 12:02 AM
What are you people insane! Nvidia is the best graphics card hands down...get your self a Nvidia 5950 256MB or wait for the PCI-X slot cards...NVIDIA rocks ATI worthless world!

MT_UnclePhil
04-19-2004, 12:20 AM
They have this medicine for folks with ADD like yourself. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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goliathvt
04-19-2004, 08:28 AM
AlleyViper, your raving about NVidia is completely inaccurate for the current generation of video cards. Please do some research before blowing fanboy chunks all over the forum. On the other hand, I think up until this generation, NVidia made a better product when you combine their hardware performance and driver usability. Who knows, they may regain their stature with the next gen stuff about to come out. But for right now, ATI is the way to go.

Oh, and just in case you consider linking that "review" from Tom's Hardware, I'll mention that THG is subserviant to their sponsors and NOT a legitimate review site, so don't bother.

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BAM1942
04-19-2004, 08:42 AM
ATI is the best Nvidia sucks they have been saying they will do a good card for maybee 4 years now and its the same **** "wait for the next generation it will be good!" ohh and all this "the way its meant to be played" is BS nvidia just pay some to those at UBi soft or EA games and they put a logo on the box ..

phllp_w
04-19-2004, 02:15 PM
I knew it would come down to this...
Everyone is talking good for their favorites..

I'm an ATI fan but one thing is for certain,
ATI's current generation cards are far better than nVidia's,

but

next generation cards like GF6800 are far better than anything on the market, but that's the only new generation card so far...
And ATI is about to release it's new new-gen card very soon so then we'll see who's better...

alex-the-cat
04-19-2004, 02:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jawmaster3000:
HI,

is it true that ATI graphics are suffering because of poor programming for splinter cell?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>which is better overal? ATI or Nvidia??<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ATI. However, NV40 (GeForce 6800 Ultra) is the best performer at this moment.

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Di__head
04-19-2004, 02:54 PM
ati is going to release the r420 chip, it has 12 physical piplines... the nv40 has 16 "imaginary" but only 12 phisycals like the ati one. Nvidia means that they made such good piplines or whatever that they can count these 8 as 16.
and by now you cannot say nv40 is the best performer, first of all they never tested it against the r420 and second its only a prototype so it cant be counted in this disucssion yet since even no-one counts the r420 of ati... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif well at the moment Ati kicks *** in Direct 3d (almost all the games splinter cell inclusive and nvidia does in Opengl althougt the difference between ati and nvidia in OpenGl isnt as big as the one in D3D. And as the Q3- Engine wich is the most used OpenGl engine is very very old even a radeon 9800 or a gf 3 can handle the game without slow-downs...

Buck.50
04-19-2004, 03:04 PM
True, 5950 and 9800xt are almost identical based on benchmarks. But ATI seems to be more appealing despite minor flaws with driver.

I guess this summer Nvidia will lost another oppurtunity to outperform ATI http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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SAW_AlleyViper
04-25-2004, 07:33 PM
NO wrong...Nvidia Drivers! are better than ATI's, anyway if you think im so stupid than exactly why is ATI so better..is there core clock speed 1 point faster than Nividias, lame...Nvidia rocks ATI...no dispute go home..

TheJoyStick
04-25-2004, 07:35 PM
Yeah, but you Geforce *****s don't get our sexy SmartShaders...

Booyaa..

You also don't get a free copy of HL2 when it's released, so boo-yaa again...

Oh, yeah..

col2004
04-25-2004, 08:12 PM
OMG FANBOYS STFU FLAMING EACH OTHER PLZ!????????

you are throwing half truths, half cooked-facts, and blatant lies at each other cause you have become emotionally attatched to a company that only cares about taking your money! JJEEESUS ITS LIKE NINTENDO VS SEGA ALL OVER AGAIN!!! (and dont y'all even start on that!)

here are some FACT's, from a true neutral in the graphics card area.

the recently defunct Generation of cards (Nvidia FX series and Radeon 9xxx series), saw the FX series launched with a huge campaign of hype, with "the way its meant to be played" initiative sponsoring many big titles. with this and the fact that Nvidia have dominated the market for years after knocking 3DFX off the top spot and buying them out, pc gamers rushed out to buy the FX card, knowing of the reliabilty of Nvidia's cards in the past, and the stability of its drivers. the card was good, not fantastic but good. ATI, who had been the under dog to Nvidia for years, went one better. thier cards, when tested against their GForce FX counterparts in the UK PC magazine "PC Format" gave some interesting results. ATI's offerings outperformed the G force counter-parts by almost 33%, and some were only a fraction of the price of the G forces. unfortunately due to the fact Nvidia totally corner the market with advertising, even in the games themselves, many ppl went for the G force due to it being a brand they instantly recognise. ATI was the better card in that generation, but unfortunately they just never cut it with consumers like the G force did. only those who really knew thier thing with computers understood that they wer a better card.

the current generation cant really be argued yet. i have witnessed a video that is floting around on the net of the latest Nvidia 6800 based on the nvidia NV40 architecture, running the Unreal 3.0 engine, and its more than just prettier graphics. it is somethin else, its kind of like the gap between UT and UT2004. as for ATI we have probably been given statistics on pipelines etc, but we have yet to actually see its hardware performing (let me know if you can get hold of actual video's), but im sure we can see somethin similar, or maybe even better than Nvidia's NEW gen of GPU.

now ppl my post has drawn to conclusion, note the way it never directly insulted anyone, or tried to single out one group of ppl cause they have other opinions.

MAKE CONSTRUCTIVE POSTS PLZ

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TheJoyStick
04-25-2004, 08:27 PM
All that is fine and dandy, but the fact remains...

We have SS technology, and they do not.

therefor we &gt; them

col2004
04-25-2004, 08:39 PM
this wasnt constructive, and was rather unhelpful. ppl who make posts like that have made them without any thought at all an have typed any old BS to be arguementive.

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DaedalusVSC
04-25-2004, 08:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheJoyStick:
All that is fine and dandy, but the fact remains...

We have SS technology, and they do not.

therefor we &gt; them<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Smartshader is just another name for pixel shaders, just like Geforce cards have CineFX.

Excellent post col2004.

TheJoyStick
04-25-2004, 08:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by col2004:
this wasnt constructive, and was rather unhelpful.

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Come on, you know I'm just kidding...

Honestly, I couldn't care less what company made what, so long as I continue to have my constant 70ish FPS in SCPT.

col2004
04-25-2004, 08:51 PM
ok lol, just dont want another thread with potential turning into a flame war... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

70fps!!! hehe some comp u have there!

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TheJoyStick
04-25-2004, 08:59 PM
Pssh... My ****, this comp is worth less than frozen poo in space...


Dell P4 1.8
512MB pc800 DDR
ATI 9800ultra worth more than the comp now, but I got it from a friend for only 100$)
and some other crap that is sub-par, but it runs the games I play at the moment, so I'm satisfied.


I'm gunna get a new super-comp as soon as my mom pays me back (excellent way to get cash... Lend parents money, and charge them interest)

I'm up to 2400$ now over a 13 month span, and all I did was lend her the occasional 20$ so she could impulse buy some crap she didn't need.

Now, I get a 3.2 AMD 1024MB pc3200 DDR, a new 180gig HD, and a new case+soundsystem, and some other crap..

Not sure of what exactly to spend the rest of it on.. my total so far is 845$ for it all.

quillan
04-25-2004, 09:22 PM
We've had several battles between generations of cards of nVidia and Ati. NVidia had the crown up until the 9000 series cards came out. The Geforce 3 cards beat everything, hands down. The Geforce 4 ti cards beat the Geforce 3 hands down. But, when the 9700 Pro came out, the crown went to Ati. Both companies release the next set of cards at about the same time. For nVidia, it was the Geforce FX series, with a totally new architecture. For Ati, it was the 9100/9600/9800, which was a refresh product. There was a lot of hype about the FX cards, speculation on nVidia taking back the crown, and it flopped. The FX cards were not bad, mind you, but they didn't perform nearly as well as they should have, much less as well as they should for what they cost.

The flagship of the first FX line was the 5900 Ultra. It didn't perform as well as the 9700 Pro did, much less the 9800 Pro. And, to top it off, nVidia wanted an astronomical price for it. They said it would improve with later drivers, which it did, but not enough to beat the performance of the other guy.

Then both companies did another set of cards. For Ati, you got the XT cards. For nVidia, it was the 5950 Ultra. Again, Ati outperformed. It's just been the last few months, with the newest nVidia Forceware drivers, that the 5950 Ultra has really done well.

As it stands now, the nVidia cards generally (I say generally, because there have been some programs that just don't run well on one card or the other) outperform the Ati cards when running games under DirectX 8.1, while if the game uses Pixel Shader 2.0 (DirectX 9), Ati wins. The new drivers have brought the nVidia image quality back to where you can hardly tell the difference between the two.

The FX6800 is a new generation card. Ati hasn't released their new generation card yet, so we have no performance specs on it. When it comes out, then you can make a decision.

Regardless, I can't see any argument about the best bang-for-your-buck right now being the Radeon 9800 Pro, 128 meg card. You can get it for about $200 online.

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Ragnar_Kon
04-26-2004, 07:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheJoyStick:
Pssh... My ****, this comp is worth less than frozen poo in space...


Dell... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

See are you have to do is stop at the word "Dell" and I don't even have to read the rest... its just about crap http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
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As for the ATI vs nVidia.. is like the Mac vs PC users thing... its whatever you like.

Although I do believe that SCPT was made & tested on nVidia cards and thus they will get better performance.
It was the same way with Raven Shield. RvS was made & tested with ATI cards and thus ATI cards will get better performance.

In all reality its whoever gives UBI Soft free cards first.

Now I usually go with nvidia cards because they are cheaper and when you are a computer builder you like cheap. So I will only talk about the FX series.

GeForce FX 5200 - This card is tricksy! There are two versions to this card, one is 64-bit and the other is 128-bit. I have a friend that uses the 64-bit version and his Torchlight doesn't work while is he playing as Merc. For single player he has to run it on low settings to prevent random FPS drops but on Multiplayer he can have it run fairly well on Medium (40fps). I have the 128-bit and it ran perfectly well.... but only after I updated the Driver. I can run it on medium graphics at around 60fps and high around 28fps.

GeForce FX 5500 - This card is god. A friend got this card off of New Egg for $100 and it runs very well. He even is using it on his custom Dell and it runs well (you see diff between Dell and custom Dell http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

Anything up from there runs fine...

As always I suggest you buy eVGA or PNY cards. Usually people buy XFX cards because they are cheap.. but they are crap and usually fall apart in a couple of months.

KU_
04-26-2004, 08:37 PM
Yea the Nvidia 6800 will be great but the new card ATI is making called the r-420 will probably be better. and since nvidia is making only two kinds of the 6800 ATI will beat them again because they are making 4 "R" cards. the r-420 is the new one but no one and i repeat no one has any info on the r-480, but it will beat all others. And ATI has only the title R-480 on their site.

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TheJoyStick
04-26-2004, 08:47 PM
Yeah, my Dell is horrible, but with my 9800, it works just fine


I still can't play ait-intolerant games such as Battlefield Vietnam, or Vietcong Fist Alpha, but for the games I already have (like SCPT, HL, RS63RS, FarCry, etc etc, it runs just fine.)

As for cards, I've always been a big nvidia fan, til I changed to ATI, and haven't looked back.

Swwift_n_Silent
04-26-2004, 09:23 PM
ATI is the way to go...

The Radeon 9800 Pro is the "best card for the buck" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Subcidal
04-26-2004, 10:03 PM
erm id go with nvidia seeing ot many console games use ati and many games are ported from consoles. Id rather have a nvidia anyday

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rasta013
04-27-2004, 12:52 AM
Sega ruled... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

But seriously, col2004 is dead on. Although, the newest ATI is coming out soon as well and it will be interesting to see how it stacks up against the 6800's...

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