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IceyDicer
07-22-2004, 07:57 PM
What is the game you have played that you thoughthad the best AI?

Mine would have to be Jedi Outcast sure it's old but the way they programmed one character... Tavion is absolutely astounding She actually learns from your attacks If you get a hit in she will program herself on how she can aviod it so next she does it she hits you instead. This is the only AI that I have come across that actually learns...
And for those of you who have played JO it's not the Tavion that you fight in the campaign this one, though they are identicle in appearance, is found in the level, pit, to get to this level type in the cheat consol map pit then you will be in an enclosed room.
so that' the best I have come across.

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IceyDicer
07-22-2004, 07:57 PM
What is the game you have played that you thoughthad the best AI?

Mine would have to be Jedi Outcast sure it's old but the way they programmed one character... Tavion is absolutely astounding She actually learns from your attacks If you get a hit in she will program herself on how she can aviod it so next she does it she hits you instead. This is the only AI that I have come across that actually learns...
And for those of you who have played JO it's not the Tavion that you fight in the campaign this one, though they are identicle in appearance, is found in the level, pit, to get to this level type in the cheat consol map pit then you will be in an enclosed room.
so that' the best I have come across.

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Desert Hawk
07-23-2004, 03:06 AM
MGS2: Substance. I thought the way that they progressed the AI on each difficulty level was great. They become more observent, and harder to kill. They also kept it enjoyable through each difficulty. I haven't found it frustrating at all yet.

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Piniata
07-23-2004, 03:37 AM
Splinter Cell: Pandora Tommorrow http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif NOT!! WORST AI!!

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crash n burn
07-23-2004, 06:32 AM
red,pt has the worst ai in the world!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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devil2demon
07-23-2004, 08:02 AM
I ditto the dude who said MGS:2...

pure genious when they use special military techniqes to search for you after your spotted...

I mean tossing a grenade in a room before entering, then using hand signals to communicate with each other...looking under tables...usually with one guard guarding the exit, while the other sweeps the area...etc

Nice i say...

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halo_99
07-23-2004, 08:07 AM
i agree totally, Substance has the best AI i've ever played, when you get spotted and you hide in a locker, some kind of Elite team comes in and sweeps in the room, it's scary how they pass like 3 inches from you and your heart is beating really fast, very cool,

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Terrax213
07-23-2004, 08:16 AM
I think its unanimous .. MGS2 .. I haven't gotten all the way through it yet, but I have noticed the AI's a step up from any other game I've played ... .. well ... yet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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halo_99
07-23-2004, 08:48 AM
MGS2 has everythingthing, cool weapons, Cool characters (well...), deep story, great cutscenes, unbeleivable graphics, and, of course, a breat AI/Physics engines...

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IceyDicer
07-23-2004, 08:51 AM
I think the AI is one of the most neglected features of the games of today... They try too hard with graphics and sound but don't do anything for AI. e.g. SC, SC:PT.

btw: I think that Halo:CE has pretty good AI. If you turn up the difficulty level you get literally fried! they are more often then not smarter than the person playing it... lol.

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devil2demon
07-23-2004, 08:52 AM
Absolutely....

And what about those rain effects at the tanker....i'm crying as we speak, pure genious...http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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KU_
07-23-2004, 08:52 AM
MGS 2 does not have the best AI at all!!! Now NFSU 2 or maybe Far Cry, but not MGS 2.

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NSAagent
07-23-2004, 10:05 AM
agreed, Far Cry has awesome AI.

no other game can balance it's AI like Far Cry does.

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Piniata
07-23-2004, 10:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crash n burn:
red,pt has the worst ai in the world!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif CRASH N BURN!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif
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i said its not

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Piniata
07-23-2004, 10:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KU_:
MGS 2 does not have the best AI at all!!! Now NFSU 2 or maybe Far Cry, but not MGS 2.

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ummm...nfsu 2 isnt oout yet.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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crash n burn
07-23-2004, 10:09 AM
yeah,and i said it has the worst ai in the world...maybe i have totally wrong....? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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KU_
07-23-2004, 10:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Redandblack666:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KU_:
MGS 2 does not have the best AI at all!!! Now NFSU 2 or maybe Far Cry, but not MGS 2.

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ummm...nfsu 2 isnt oout yet.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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I meant NFSU.

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07-23-2004, 01:00 PM
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Nokturnus
07-23-2004, 03:15 PM
FarCry has great AI? Don't make me laugh.

It's okay, but not better than MGS2. Throughout FarCry, I always would hide in bushes, and the guards would run right up at me, even though they JUST saw where I ran to, and then they would literally run into me, and they still didn't fire at me. This happened many times, not once or twice. One time I also went prone in a bush where the leaves were high enough off the ground to reveal me and my partially-hidden red shirt, yet I was completely undetectable. Sometimes guards would patrol within an inch of me and still not see me.

There was another time When I alerted a lone guard, so I hid really quick, and the guard was stuck in a standing and crouching animation. Stand..crouch..stand..crouch..stand..crouch..etc. for over 5 mins. I fraps'd it and showed a friend and it was a good laugh. Still, it's stuff like this that really sucks the realistic gaming experience from you. Not that FarCry is a bad game, it's quite extraordinary.

My vote for best AI would be those Chess games =P

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Rathitz
07-23-2004, 04:10 PM
Give me a break, MGS 2 has HORRIBLE AI. Sure, it gets harder, but a LOT of games do that. MGS 2 is a simple reaction based AI. They see you, they react. They are actually very stupid and pathetically easy to fool. They forget things WAY too easily. I had a guard shooting at me, I moved out of the room, went back in, and everything reset. That is pathetic.

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Nokturnus
07-23-2004, 09:32 PM
While I agree MGS2's AI isn't what I'd like it to be, saying horrible AI is easily an exaggeration. Matter of fact, MGS2 didn't even pop into my mind when the question was asked, I merely used it because it was already a known topic here.

Anyway Rathitz, you say that MGS2's AI is reaction based. Well, what the hell isn't? If you're talking about completely random AI, MGS2 has some of that too, i.e. random searches during a guard's patrol (it wasn't an apparent feature, but it did occur). I'd like to know what kind of game you think has good AI.

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Rathitz
07-23-2004, 09:45 PM
What I meant by reaction based is that they really don't make any decisions, they just have one thing they do under a certain circumstance. They only have a single reaction. There is no variation. I don't know how people can call the AI in MGS 2 good when it is extremely predictable.

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IceyDicer
07-23-2004, 11:31 PM
I agree... Nok

btw: the AI in Jedi Outcast is bad as well... but when it came to focusing on one characters AI they were fantastic! Tavions attacks are completely random and you have no idea what she will try next and she always remembers what attacks you used or what dodges you used. So you have to do everything random as well, whilst planing ahead.
She is like a death tutor, you make one mistake and you die... lol
Out of all the single characters you play in games she is the smartest at hand-to-hand. She's also hard to play because she has perfectly instant reflexes. whereas you have only 0.15 or most likely higher. (0.15 is the highest reflex a human can dish out that I know of.)

Also keep in mind when you compare AI that you compare games of the same sort of Genre. Or it is too hard to compare them.

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Nokturnus
07-24-2004, 01:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>What I meant by reaction based is that they really don't make any decisions, they just have one thing they do under a certain circumstance.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm not sure which situation you're talking about, but one logical explanation for why they only do one thing, is because they act "by the book," meaning they play it out like what happened in their 'training'. Either that or the programmers were lazy.

I don't know, I wish you'd give an example when they would only do one thing (besides patrolling). What game are you comparing it to (meaning what shooter-ish game do you think has the best AI)?

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Rathitz
07-24-2004, 01:02 PM
If you want a comparison, then Splinter Cell has much better AI than MGS. In both games, the AI will eventually forget you, but in MGS it is much easier to make them do so. Also, the AI in mgs don't "hear" except when you use a wall tap. You can literally run right behind them and they wouldn't even notice. Their line of sights are MUCH too limited. All I'm saying is that the AI is just too limited. Maybe the designers wanted stupid AI. Because the AI IS stupid.

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KU_
07-24-2004, 01:12 PM
Rathitz I agree 110% Don't get me wrong MGS2 was a great and fin game. Bit it wasn't made to have the best AI. As a matter of fact, I just previewed a game called STALKER. My preview will be up on www.pcgamessource.com (http://www.pcgamessource.com) in a couple of days. Looks amazing and the AI seems great. I'll post whne it's up.

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Nokturnus
07-24-2004, 09:46 PM
Yeah Rathitz, when you put it like that, looking at how "dumb" the soldiers are compared to reality, I definitely agree with you. It's interesting you say SC, I just didn't find it had that great of AI. It has more of that "unrealistic" stuff, like when you hide in a pitch-black area, yet there is a bright fence behind you, and the guards still can't see you, even though there's a perfect silhouette of you. Oh well, I just have yet to see a shooter with truly excellent AI.

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Rathitz
07-24-2004, 10:13 PM
Yes, its true. SC's AI isn't perfect. But I compared it to it because SC's AI IS better. They react better. Both of them will forget you, and both have flaws, but SC's is definately more realistic. Not perfect by any means, but a lot more effort was put into it than into MGS 2's AI.

Now we have to wait for MGS 3 and SC3. See if the AI is "smarter" then. But really, how smart do you want the AI to be? In MGS, it is obvious they need to be smarter than MGS 2. But how much smarter than SC do you want? Really, what they would have to do is have more difficulties. Because if they made the AI actually realistic in that they notice more little details then the game wouldn't be as much fun to play, IMO.

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