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vm7
10-19-2012, 08:40 PM
The Rocksmith real tone cable seems pretty costly to me. Is there any alternative to it? a cheaper cord, maybe?

toymachinesh
10-19-2012, 09:17 PM
No

Brick235
10-19-2012, 09:19 PM
Cheaper than $30? I don't think that's really that expensive.

vm7
10-20-2012, 06:13 AM
rocksmith is at $50 on steam and it doesn't include the cable, hence the cable is expensive to me; i'm too tight with money these days.

Vector_Shift
10-20-2012, 06:33 AM
If you stick with it for a year and log 600-1200 hours like other people on here, then I'd call that one hella-good return on investment. And you might even learn some guitar!

JPS2K5
10-20-2012, 06:38 AM
rocksmith is at $50 on steam and it doesn't include the cable, hence the cable is expensive to me; i'm too tight with money these days.

It has cost me 44 euro retail including cable. I'm sure similar deals are to be found.

rcole_sooner
10-20-2012, 08:07 AM
....but then there is DLC....

....and we probably shouldn't even mention new guitars and accessories...

...all easily into the $100s, if not $1000s....

Yeah, the $30 is going to seem like chump change after a while. :p

Rrralph
10-20-2012, 10:07 AM
The only thing bugging me about the cable is that I feel it is too short.

C.Linton
10-20-2012, 01:12 PM
$30 isn't too bad for a regular decent quality Guitar cable, as specialised as the Real-Tone is, that's seems just about right to me.

C.Linton
10-20-2012, 01:13 PM
The only thing bugging me about the cable is that I feel it is too short.

Extension cabes and adapters are available.

JPS2K5
10-20-2012, 01:48 PM
The only thing bugging me about the cable is that I feel it is too short.

I have it routed through my pedal-tuner, that way the connections don't get worn out either.

vm7
10-22-2012, 10:08 AM
thank you all for the suggestions. and sorry for the spell mistakes. :)

randomas
10-22-2012, 11:57 AM
Anyone know the specs on the RT cable? 32bit 96 khz (in my dreams)?

I have a cheap behringer UCG102 (and it was more expensive than the RT at the time) and I'm wondering which is better, does the RT do impedance matching?

JTCoop
10-22-2012, 03:47 PM
As far as the RT cable being too short, I have completely gotten around that issue by hooking my RT cable to the output of a wireless guitar receiver.

This is not an alternative to the RT cable and not exactly a cheap option, but MAN the freedom of movement and not tripping over a dammmm cable all evening is awesome! Worth every penny of the $79.99!

rcole_sooner
10-22-2012, 04:09 PM
Yes, I got another cable for my other PC. I used a 50 foot cable, attached to the RS cable with a female-to-female 1/4" plug, and it seems to be working without any issues. The RS cable just sets by the PC, and never moves at all, so no worries about damaging it.

Here is a shot of the adapter/coupler from Amazon for $2.98 (http://www.amazon.com/Rean-NYS236-Mono-Adapter-Coupler/dp/B0008JFHCO).

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21-qCKu0CaL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

JTCoop
10-22-2012, 05:45 PM
50'??? Holy crap! You use your guitar to edge the lawn or something??? :D

rcole_sooner
10-22-2012, 06:18 PM
It was from a way back when I used to play in a band, or we tried to be a band. I liked to move around the stage a lot, and did not have a wireless yet.

Wanna see an old photo. And, yeah, I still played really bad, back then too. LOL!

http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz265/rcole_sooner/MewithCriticalMassbw.jpg


Actually after the cable is ran over a doorway, around the room, and to the playing area, there is only about 12' left. :)

JTCoop
10-22-2012, 06:57 PM
Nice photo! I'll have to scan a couple of my oldies. Still have one that I remember - playing my old gold Electra LP copy in The Meathooks! (I actually got good enough - I guess - to where I played rhythm in a band for a short time. . . but only because the bass player's brother couldn't play guitar at all so we put him on drums) I found that guitar - or one just like it - on eBay last week but for what they were bidding I just couldn't justify it. I think it ended up selling for $400. I sold it in college for $125 with a Vox hardshell case.

I'm guessing you plugged directly into the mixing board? Wow!

rcole_sooner
10-22-2012, 07:12 PM
I think the 50' cord, went from my floor effects to the amp.

Thanakir
10-23-2012, 04:43 AM
Looks like it's now possible to play Rocksmith with any cable on PC, someone found a way.
Since it requires modifying the game I'm guessing that this is probably not gonna be something we'll be able to discuss freely, but it's at least worth mentioning that it's possible now.

Since the game was designed and tested with the Real-Tone Cable, I'll point out the obvious and say that using something else to play the game may not work as well, could be buggy, and could give bad results.
That doesn't mean it will, it could work perfectly fine too, but bad results are a possibility.

toymachinesh
10-23-2012, 04:59 AM
I'll point out the obvious and say that using something else to play the game may not work as well, could be buggy, and could give bad results.
That doesn't mean it will, it could work perfectly fine too, but bad results are a possibility.

I think it's a strong possibility.

Thanakir
10-23-2012, 06:18 AM
I decided to put it to the test in the worst conditions possible :
I didn't use a cable, for the input I actually used a low-quality microphone. I plugged the guitar in my amp and placed the microphone in front of it.
I figured that if the game works with that, it'll work with mostly anything.

And hey, it worked! I played Where is my Mind since I figured it was simple enough that I could tell if something was wrong in the note detection and everything went smooth.
I'm still gonna stick to the cable since 1) It means not having to use headphones (to stop the sound from my speakers from looping with the microphone) and 2) it means I don't have to use an amp (meaning that if I want to bother no one when playing, I CAN use headphone and make no sound by using neither speakers or amp).

But this at least means that people have alternatives now.

JTCoop
10-23-2012, 03:11 PM
I've long wondered if using a mic would work. This would be an option for people - possibly - to play their acoustic guitars in RS.

roadrebel
10-23-2012, 10:18 PM
i use a 15ft USB extension cable... $2 problem solved:)

sidshekar
10-24-2012, 07:04 AM
hi could you guys show your setup... i bought it off steam and I dont have the cable... and I dont feel like getting one :). I am not able to get past the headstock screen as I dont have anything plugged in ...

Could I connect the guitar cable directly into the microphone jack(i do have a big male to small male audio cable adapter :o) ... alternatively i have a usb soundcard to which I could connect the cable to.... would any of these methods work... ?

and I live in india were the RealTone cable is not available locally... i would have to ship from uk/us..for 60$ ... more than what I spent in getting the game... ?!??!

foolm2
12-26-2012, 11:54 PM
I think the real question, the one I have as well, is:

Is there anything special about this cable or is it simply a 1/4" jack to USB audio cable?

If so, would a generic USB to 1/4" cable work to play this game?
I find $30 to be an outrageous price for what should be a $5 cable. For $10 on many music sites you can get a 20' cable about twice as thick as this one looks. So if anyone actually knows of an alternate cable that will work, please let everyone know.

Ubisoft: I would have bought this already on Steam, but I can't find a decent price anywhere on the cord. So I haven't bought it. Or any download content, which I would buy. You're only limiting your own sales.

toymachinesh
12-26-2012, 11:58 PM
"outrageous" lol

Brick235
12-27-2012, 01:12 AM
I think the real question, the one I have as well, is:

Is there anything special about this cable or is it simply a 1/4" jack to USB audio cable?

If so, would a generic USB to 1/4" cable work to play this game?
I find $30 to be an outrageous price for what should be a $5 cable. For $10 on many music sites you can get a 20' cable about twice as thick as this one looks. So if anyone actually knows of an alternate cable that will work, please let everyone know.

Ubisoft: I would have bought this already on Steam, but I can't find a decent price anywhere on the cord. So I haven't bought it. Or any download content, which I would buy. You're only limiting your own sales.
It is not just a 1/4" inch to USB cable. I believe it also has a DAC built in. Or would that be a ADC? Either way, $30 is a fair price IMO.

foolm2
12-30-2012, 08:25 PM
It is not just a 1/4" inch to USB cable. I believe it also has a DAC built in. Or would that be a ADC? Either way, $30 is a fair price IMO.

Thanks for the reply!

Well, if it is a special cable and they are the only ones selling it, I guess they can charge what they want :)

Doing a little more research, I have not found any other USB to 1/4" cables anywhere, not for less than the RealTone one anyway. Also, Gamestop is not taking these Real Tone Cables on trade or selling them used. On a side note, why do I ever go to GameStop, it's always a disappointment. They didn't even have a cable new I could buy, unless I wanted to buy the whole game for PS3 or Xbox, which I don't have. Used cables are selling for close to new price on ebay, so I guess if I hate the game I can always sell the cable, heehheh

Vegas89084
01-01-2013, 10:51 PM
One previous post about a microphone working got me to thinking... why not run an audio cable from a headphone amp to the mic or input on the soundcard? Well, because Rocksmith will stop unless it detects the game cable, that's why. I'm assuming the guy who got the mic working was playing with the cable still plugged in.

If anyone can figure out how to disable the 'cable check', I'd be happy to give it another go.

rcole_sooner
01-02-2013, 12:10 AM
Hacks (i.e. getting around cable detection) should not be discussed on this forum.

Vegas89084
01-02-2013, 06:05 AM
Hacks (i.e. getting around cable detection) should not be discussed on this forum.

Apologies... I didn't realize not using the cable would be a 'hack'.

bandersaurus
01-03-2013, 12:01 AM
I own the whole game with the Real Tone cable for PC, but I'd love to be able to use my Edirol audio interface instead just to see if it helps with the latency. I've got the latency down pretty low right now, but I'm picky :)

kiwi_kidz
05-07-2013, 04:37 AM
50'??? Holy crap! You use your guitar to edge the lawn or something??? :D

LMAO that's funny!

sh1kamaru-
05-08-2013, 06:02 PM
No luck getting Rocksmith to work with wine that way, but I had very few hope anyway…

Bandin03
05-08-2013, 06:31 PM
Doesn't the DVD version of Rocksmith come with a cable? If so, that's only $10 more than steam...not gonna find another option that's much cheaper than that..

sadams122
10-23-2013, 11:39 PM
Is there a way to use a JOYO JW-01 wireless transmitter with the RT cable?

Braintrust18
10-24-2013, 04:13 AM
Bandfuse cable might work. But it will probably cost about the same. The hacks I saw were people using more expensive cables they already owned. But that was about a year ago.

Lucidry
10-24-2013, 06:21 AM
Apologies... I didn't realize not using the cable would be a 'hack'.

It is when the only way to is by using a modified exe

C.Linton
10-24-2013, 10:28 AM
Bandfuse cable might work. But it will probably cost about the same. The hacks I saw were people using more expensive cables they already owned. But that was about a year ago.

I don't think so. It was said somewhere the Bandfuse connection device is entirely different from Rocksmith's

echo851
11-23-2013, 04:31 PM
Apologies... I didn't realize not using the cable would be a 'hack'.

I regret my Rocksmith purchase. I bought it on Steam yesterday, the steam store said that the game needed a unique guitar chord which converts the analog signal from the guitar to a digital signal. So I thought, well I have a pretty powerful computer here which is more than capable of doing that. They cant really FORCE me to buy this cable just to do something as simple as this, can they?

So I started reading up on it online, and sure enough, I saw people posting success stories using their normal guitar cables + adapter.

So I bought the game, got very excited, but as I ran the calibration, the game asked me to plug in my cable... Turns out, there is no way of bypassing this.
I tried to follow people's instructions on how to bypass this cable requirement but without a luck. It seemed that the legit version I had bought was unable to bypass the cable requirement. The only way I saw around this problem was to crack the game....... which I had just bought yesterday..... o_O

Ubisoft, please make this cable requirement more clear in the Steam store... Something like "You will not be able to play this game without buying our 30$ cable additionally.."
I really don't see the point of selling this game on steam if you can't even play it as soon as you buy it. Steam doesn't even offer a refund on your games!

I would love to get a refund on my game and buy a bundle with the cable online for the same price as the Steam version... But now this game is costing me around 80Euros with the cable, 8 euros more than the brand new Battlefield 4 + premium subscription with 5 expansion packs. One of the best fps games ever made....

Anyways this rant is over. I feel betrayed by this company, I feel stupid for paying for the game....
Worst quick decision purchase of my life

Don't be stupid like me and buy the game on steam. Find a bundle on Amazon or Ebay.

sh1kamaru-
11-23-2013, 05:04 PM
man it looks like you took a lot of time to write that post.

But if you took as much time to do some research, you would have been able to find the real tone cable alone. You don’t need to buy a bundle, and it won’t cost you 80 euros…

Here is an example:
http://www.amazon.fr/C%C3%A2ble-Rocksmith-pour-connecter-guitare/dp/B007KGISK6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1385222525&sr=8-1&keywords=real+tone+cable

With some more research you can probably find one for less than 20 €.

Buying the game on steam is not necessarily a bad idea…

echo851
11-23-2013, 06:09 PM
Yea, I'm gonna keep my eye open for a good deal on those cables. But its still going to add up to ~80 euros ( 49 euro for Rocksmith + 30 for the cable).
Hope the game will be well worth the money then. :rolleyes:

Marauder359
11-23-2013, 06:16 PM
Yea, I'm gonna keep my eye open for a good deal on those cables. But its still going to add up to ~80 euros ( 49 euro for Rocksmith + 30 for the cable).
Hope the game will be well worth the money then. :rolleyes:

The good news is, if you put in the time, RS is well worth that and much more, honestly.

Dizzyg12
11-23-2013, 07:53 PM
Trust me, the money you spend on he cable will seem like pennies when you start collecting more gear as your learn and progress.

thoman23
11-23-2013, 10:07 PM
Man, just buy the cable. So much time and energy wasted researching ways around it. Jeez.

TheJohnNewton
11-23-2013, 10:32 PM
Man, just buy the cable. So much time and energy wasted researching ways around it. Jeez.

Lol, no doubt. I think the second post was all that was needed and yet this thread Is longer than R Cole's guitar cable.

C.Linton
11-24-2013, 12:15 AM
A lot of nonsense, considering just about every bit of copy I've seen from Ubisoft explicitly says that you will need their cable to play the game. This is just yet another case of a customer blaming the game company for their own screwup.

hedwards362
11-24-2013, 02:51 AM
Cheaper than $30? I don't think that's really that expensive.

Considering that the cable is poorly manufactured and likely to break before too long, I'd say it's too expensive. For the price, the least they could have done was ensured that there was adequate stress relief for the jack connecting to the guitar. I am not looking forward to having to shell out for a new cable because Ubisoft couldn't be bothered to have the thing properly engineered in the first place.

BazzTard61
11-24-2013, 04:15 AM
obviously the steam option was for owners of RS1 who didn't need a cable, don't blame Ubisoft for your lack of foresight

PS I add a right-angle 1/4" adaptor so any strain on the cord pulls out of the jack,and no loop of cord behind strap

Brick235
11-24-2013, 04:43 AM
the steam store said that the game needed a unique guitar chord

Ubisoft, please make this cable requirement more clear in the Steam store... Something like "You will not be able to play this game without buying our 30$ cable additionally.."

I don't see how this wasn't crystal clear. Since you own the game now you might as well just buy the cable and use it. Or don't.

hedwards362
11-24-2013, 05:08 AM
obviously the steam option was for owners of RS1 who didn't need a cable, don't blame Ubisoft for your lack of foresight

PS I add a right-angle 1/4" adaptor so any strain on the cord pulls out of the jack,and no loop of cord behind strap

My lack of foresight? This is a product that's being sold to people that are completely new to guitars. The product shouldn't require you to do that. Especially since nowhere in the manual does it mention that they were too cheap to properly engineer the cable to stand up to even moderate use.

Or are you referring to the OP who ignored the steam page saying that you needed the cable to play?

EDIT: How would a right angle help? My guitar has the jack at an angle facing somewhat downward as it is, seems like the cable ought to be able to handle that without too much trouble.

Marauder359
11-24-2013, 08:04 AM
My lack of foresight? This is a product that's being sold to people that are completely new to guitars. The product shouldn't require you to do that. Especially since nowhere in the manual does it mention that they were too cheap to properly engineer the cable to stand up to even moderate use.

Or are you referring to the OP who ignored the steam page saying that you needed the cable to play?

EDIT: How would a right angle help? My guitar has the jack at an angle facing somewhat downward as it is, seems like the cable ought to be able to handle that without too much trouble.

He meant the OP needing the cable... as for the cable being dainty, I've had my original cable, haven't been overly cautious, though I don't step on it or bind it unnecessarily, and it still works fine.

C.Linton
11-24-2013, 09:14 AM
Considering that the cable is poorly manufactured and likely to break before too long, I'd say it's too expensive. For the price, the least they could have done was ensured that there was adequate stress relief for the jack connecting to the guitar. I am not looking forward to having to shell out for a new cable because Ubisoft couldn't be bothered to have the thing properly engineered in the first place.

I've had my RS cable for about a year now, and it's been accidentally unplugged a few times, but it still works as well as the day I bought it, and I'd hardly call it poorly made, or improperly engineered.

sh1kamaru-
11-24-2013, 10:15 AM
Considering that the cable is poorly manufactured and likely to break before too long, I'd say it's too expensive. For the price, the least they could have done was ensured that there was adequate stress relief for the jack connecting to the guitar. I am not looking forward to having to shell out for a new cable because Ubisoft couldn't be bothered to have the thing properly engineered in the first place.

Mine is still working after one year, so maybe you got a lemon, or maybe it’s due to lack of care…

@TheJohnNewton, I lol’d :D

hedwards362
11-24-2013, 06:23 PM
I've had my RS cable for about a year now, and it's been accidentally unplugged a few times, but it still works as well as the day I bought it, and I'd hardly call it poorly made, or improperly engineered.

I've been treating it with a great deal of care. I apparently made the mistake of trying to use it to check the tuning while I had the guitar sitting on its side. If it can't stand up to that, then I would certainly call it improperly engineered as the amount of abuse it's gotten from me has been precisely nihil. Every other audio cable I've bought over the years has stress relief where the jack connects to the cable, because that's the most likely place for the cable to break. Even on $5 earbuds you have that and usually they've got that 90 degree bend at the jack as well just to make it even more secure. The one they bundle with RS has no stress relief of any sort.

So yes, the cable was improperly engineered, and I'm hardly the only person that's having this problem. I can't comment on the people that are having trouble from the chip, but I have seen folks complaining about the cable crackling when it's moved, and that's often times the result of damage to the connections there. Woudln't surprise me if the chips being damaged was the result of shorts developing.

I'm very much familiar with the physics here and there is supposed to be something at the junction of the jack and the cable to stiffen things out so that all of the force isn't being applied to this small area. I don't know about your cable, but mine doesn't, and that's precisely where the fault is.

hedwards362
11-24-2013, 06:25 PM
Mine is still working after one year, so maybe you got a lemon, or maybe it’s due to lack of care…

@TheJohnNewton, I lol’d :D

Statistically some people are going to get lucky, but the lack of stress relief at the jack is going to make the cables fail substantially more quickly even with gentle care. It's the same thing for those old NES units with the contacts that woud corrode requiring people to blow on the carts. The engineers didn't do their jobs properly resulting in an easily foreseeable defect developing.

I've been going at it pretty gently, certainly far more gently than I should have to, and I'm seeing damage right at the point where they should have had stress relief.

Brick235
11-24-2013, 06:39 PM
Using original cable for over 2 years now. No issues. It's a cable, it can be bad right out of the box. Really any cable you buy for anything can be bad. Or go bad. Or whatever. Doesn't seem like the biggest thing to stress over.

Marauder359
11-24-2013, 06:50 PM
the amount of abuse it's gotten from me has been precisely nihil. Every other audio cable I've bought over the years has stress relief where the jack connects to the cable, because that's the most likely place for the cable to break. Even on $5 earbuds you have that and usually they've got that 90 degree bend at the jack as well just to make it even more secure. The one they bundle with RS has no stress relief of any sort.

"usually" is a pretty loaded term, chum... best to be used when you're sure of what you're saying... and in this case, you're wrong. I have to say, were I to open the package and remove the cord, only to find that it had a 90 angle connector, I would've been pretty pissed off. Stratocasters are what I play and Stratocasters already feature an ergonomically angled outlet... one that doesn't really work with an angle piece like you're describing..... an angle piece, btw, that is not on virtually any standard guitar cord. Can you buy one of those? Sure. And guess what? You can for this cord too. *gasp* shocking, I know...

So, before you start saying stupid things and applying them writ large, I dunno, maybe make certain the comment actually applies to the best selling guitar model in the history of man? Just a thought.

C.Linton
11-24-2013, 10:10 PM
I've been treating it with a great deal of care. I apparently made the mistake of trying to use it to check the tuning while I had the guitar sitting on its side. If it can't stand up to that, then I would certainly call it improperly engineered as the amount of abuse it's gotten from me has been precisely nihil. Every other audio cable I've bought over the years has stress relief where the jack connects to the cable, because that's the most likely place for the cable to break. Even on $5 earbuds you have that and usually they've got that 90 degree bend at the jack as well just to make it even more secure. The one they bundle with RS has no stress relief of any sort.

So yes, the cable was improperly engineered, and I'm hardly the only person that's having this problem. I can't comment on the people that are having trouble from the chip, but I have seen folks complaining about the cable crackling when it's moved, and that's often times the result of damage to the connections there. Woudln't surprise me if the chips being damaged was the result of shorts developing.

I'm very much familiar with the physics here and there is supposed to be something at the junction of the jack and the cable to stiffen things out so that all of the force isn't being applied to this small area. I don't know about your cable, but mine doesn't, and that's precisely where the fault is.

Really? Just about every quality guitar cable I've ever bought doesn't always have the stress relief. AAMOF, one of my current cables from Live Wires, an excellent quality cable with a lifetime warranty, has no more of a stress relief than a bit of heat-shrink tubing that extends from the barrel of the plug. I would doubt you could call a quality cable with a lifetime warranty that doesn't have stress relief "poorly engineered". Tale a look here:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/instrument-cables
You'll see a number of high quality (and very expensive. much moreso than RS's Realtone cable) cables that don't have stress relief. Do you consider those to be poorly engineered?

wolfor_t_a
11-25-2013, 01:13 PM
Just to throw this into the discussion, I've heard from pro guitarists actually buying the RS cable because it's way cheaper than any other analog to digital converter for their guitars, and it works pretty well with more professional tools like amplitube, for example...

Biggsy4312
11-25-2013, 02:09 PM
I regret my Rocksmith purchase. I bought it on Steam yesterday, the steam store said that the game needed a unique guitar chord which converts the analog signal from the guitar to a digital signal. So I thought, well I have a pretty powerful computer here which is more than capable of doing that. They cant really FORCE me to buy this cable just to do something as simple as this, can they?

So I started reading up on it online, and sure enough, I saw people posting success stories using their normal guitar cables + adapter.

So I bought the game, got very excited, but as I ran the calibration, the game asked me to plug in my cable... Turns out, there is no way of bypassing this.
I tried to follow people's instructions on how to bypass this cable requirement but without a luck. It seemed that the legit version I had bought was unable to bypass the cable requirement. The only way I saw around this problem was to crack the game....... which I had just bought yesterday..... o_O

Ubisoft, please make this cable requirement more clear in the Steam store... Something like "You will not be able to play this game without buying our 30$ cable additionally.."
I really don't see the point of selling this game on steam if you can't even play it as soon as you buy it. Steam doesn't even offer a refund on your games!

I would love to get a refund on my game and buy a bundle with the cable online for the same price as the Steam version... But now this game is costing me around 80Euros with the cable, 8 euros more than the brand new Battlefield 4 + premium subscription with 5 expansion packs. One of the best fps games ever made....

Anyways this rant is over. I feel betrayed by this company, I feel stupid for paying for the game....
Worst quick decision purchase of my life

Don't be stupid like me and buy the game on steam. Find a bundle on Amazon or Ebay.


It quite clearly states on the outer box, DVD box and on Steam that this game requires the Rocksmith real tone cable, it always has done.

sh1kamaru-
11-25-2013, 02:10 PM
I don’t want to be nitpicky, but you don’t have an outer box when you get the game on Steam :)

C.Linton
11-25-2013, 03:23 PM
I don’t want to be nitpicky, but you don’t have an outer box when you get the game on Steam :)

True enough, But I remember every ad or promotional articles I read describing the game as saying how their Realtone cable was necessary. I knew from day one I would need to buy the package (PS3) with the cable. I would imagine this would also be stated in the listing on the Steam site. No excuses for not knowing this

Brick235
11-25-2013, 03:35 PM
Yep, it also stated everywhere that Uplay would be required DRM but you still have people that were somehow unaware of it. I call it selective reading. ;)

C.Linton
11-25-2013, 06:37 PM
I'm thinking it's some people thinking they're smarter than everyone else - "I bet I could find a better cord than the RealTone, they're just trying to scam us into buying their cord."
They're not as smart as they think they are.

Biggsy4312
11-25-2013, 11:28 PM
I don’t want to be nitpicky, but you don’t have an outer box when you get the game on Steam :)

Of course you don't but it does quite clearly state underneath the little box you click on to purchase the game that it requires the real tone cable.

There is only one word to describe all this and especially when buying something, it doesn't matter if it's a kettle or expensive car and that word is "Research."

I spent 30 minutes in PC world this afternoon choosing a new mouse for my PC. :D

Marauder359
11-26-2013, 05:49 PM
I don’t want to be nitpicky, but you don’t have an outer box when you get the game on Steam :)

I don't mind being nitpicky, but at least do it right.


It quite clearly states on the outer box, DVD box and on Steam that this game requires the Rocksmith real tone cable, it always has done.

That sentence, in English, doesn't say there was a Steam box... it says it states in on Steam... which it does. So, even being nitpicky, his sentence is exactly right. :)

C.Linton
11-26-2013, 09:07 PM
I don't mind being nitpicky, but at least do it right.



That sentence, in English, doesn't say there was a Steam box... it says it states in on Steam... which it does. So, even being nitpicky, his sentence is exactly right. :)

Re-reading the post, I see that you are correct, sir.

reble187
11-29-2013, 06:34 AM
Everyone who tried to get a response or a workaround for this turn back now. bunch of circle jerks who don't understand the meaning of a workaround... Sorry don't mean to diss anyone just trying to save people some time.

KinchBlade
11-29-2013, 11:18 AM
Everyone who tried to get a response or a workaround for this turn back now. bunch of circle jerks who don't understand the meaning of a workaround... Sorry don't mean to diss anyone just trying to save people some time.


Well, you are dissing people. The only workaround (other than the mic ) is a hack of the game files - patently a non-subject on the official forum. What was it you expected?

Edit: Maybe a mod should prefix the Thread title with "FYI, there are no official..."

wolfdances
11-30-2013, 01:16 PM
The only thing bugging me about the cable is that I feel it is too short.
just use a usb extention cable

wolfdances
11-30-2013, 01:25 PM
i paid the $20 extra to get cable with game. first cable lasted 5 days before breaking and shorting out inside the casing. Store traded me for a new game. hopefully this one lasts longer since store is out of games now.

C.Linton
11-30-2013, 07:42 PM
Well, I, and a lot of others, have had the same cable for a year or more and have had no problems with it (and mine has been accidentally unplugged forcefully quite a few times).

CrazedRacer
11-30-2013, 07:51 PM
Still on my original cable - day 1 purchaser of RS and now RS 2013 and I have never needed a replacement cable after 600+ hours of play. Of course, I've been wireless since day 1, too, so my cable doesn't move at all. Not that it matters - I have 2 brand new copies of RS1 sitting on my game shelf, just in case a cable ever fails.

hedwards362
11-30-2013, 08:09 PM
Well, I, and a lot of others, have had the same cable for a year or more and have had no problems with it (and mine has been accidentally unplugged forcefully quite a few times).

Sounds like you got lucky. I know people don't agree, but the reality is that the engineers screwed up on this. If the cable can't stand up to being used for tuning while restringing the guitar or setting the intonation, then it was poorly designed. I haven't had my cable yanked in the way you described and it still broke. And certainly not "quite a few times."

I've managed to sort of work around that by looping it around and zip tying it to the jack, but it's absolutely ridiculous that on a $30 cable that they couldn't be bothered to engineer it to stand up to anything beyond extremely careful use. A cheap stress relief bit between the extremely flexible cable and the completely inflexible jack would have added a substantial amount of durability.

And BTW, the plural of anecdote is not data, there's a very clear reason for the cables failing in this fashion.

Marauder359
12-01-2013, 02:22 AM
And BTW, the plural of anecdote is not data, there's a very clear reason for the cables failing in this fashion.

At least you recognize that. The truth is, there's more of us here that have never had issues with the cables over years of gameplay than there are those of us that have had any issues. So, who is reliant on anecdotal evidence? I don't think it's us.

westyfu
12-01-2013, 02:32 AM
I am not gentle with my cables.

1 stays on the Xbox and one in the PC for a quick and easy recording interface.

I treat them no different to the cheap, sealed cables you get with every starter kit or 10w amp, I've caught them on my feet and yanked them apart at the break-point, when I'm done i just unplug and drop the thing where it lands, at least once a day the wheels of my desk chair declare war upon them, I've used them on the effect loop on my amp for giggles, they make a decent mic cable if you have a female/female adapter and a preamp, one of my cat's is sure they are toys.

They keep soldiering on.

C.Linton
12-01-2013, 03:31 AM
Sounds like you got lucky. I know people don't agree, but the reality is that the engineers screwed up on this. If the cable can't stand up to being used for tuning while restringing the guitar or setting the intonation, then it was poorly designed. I haven't had my cable yanked in the way you described and it still broke. And certainly not "quite a few times."

I've managed to sort of work around that by looping it around and zip tying it to the jack, but it's absolutely ridiculous that on a $30 cable that they couldn't be bothered to engineer it to stand up to anything beyond extremely careful use. A cheap stress relief bit between the extremely flexible cable and the completely inflexible jack would have added a substantial amount of durability.

And BTW, the plural of anecdote is not data, there's a very clear reason for the cables failing in this fashion.

Right ,and your one story is not indicative of a trend, and, as Marauder points out, there are more stories of the cable NOT failing far outweighing any reports of faulty ones.
I see this all the time at Talkbass, where one person reports that he bought an XXX bass, and it was a horrible piece of crap, therefore all XXX basses are crap. It doesn't work that way. Your claims that it's a badly designed cable because yours failed, does not wash.

wolfor_t_a
12-03-2013, 10:31 AM
Sounds like you got lucky. I know people don't agree, but the reality is that the engineers screwed up on this. If the cable can't stand up to being used for tuning while restringing the guitar or setting the intonation, then it was poorly designed. I haven't had my cable yanked in the way you described and it still broke. And certainly not "quite a few times."

I've managed to sort of work around that by looping it around and zip tying it to the jack, but it's absolutely ridiculous that on a $30 cable that they couldn't be bothered to engineer it to stand up to anything beyond extremely careful use. A cheap stress relief bit between the extremely flexible cable and the completely inflexible jack would have added a substantial amount of durability.

And BTW, the plural of anecdote is not data, there's a very clear reason for the cables failing in this fashion.

I don't get it. Why don't you, instead of taping the cable and complaining about it, just return it to the shop and have them replace it for you?





...one of my cat's is sure they are toys.

They keep soldiering on.

You just made me laugh, thanks! :) my cat feels the same way about my cables, strings AND gigbag :D

One_Big_DogLog
12-03-2013, 03:37 PM
My cable failed in the first 10 minutes.

I cut the plug off the Guitar end and soldered on a new one.

It's been working fine for over a month now.

Marauder359
12-03-2013, 04:24 PM
My cable failed in the first 10 minutes.

I cut the plug off the Guitar end and soldered on a new one.

It's been working fine for over a month now.

I guess. There's also always an exchange policy at your retailer, right?

BrunnenG
12-03-2013, 04:32 PM
Considering that the cable is poorly manufactured and likely to break before too long, I'd say it's too expensive. For the price, the least they could have done was ensured that there was adequate stress relief for the jack connecting to the guitar. I am not looking forward to having to shell out for a new cable because Ubisoft couldn't be bothered to have the thing properly engineered in the first place.

A simple, cheap and easy way to avoid putting any strain on the Realtone cable.

Order the following from Monoprice:
Product ID 7231 - 1/4" mono coupler for a whopping $0.91
Then buy one of their guitar cables (many under $5) or use your own.

Plug one end of the coupler into the Realtone cable, then plug the new cable into the other end and plug that into your guitar. If you ever break the cable, just swap it out or reterminate it.

Even without doing this, my original cable from the launch day of the first game is still going strong after daily use. I bought a spare back then after reading some complaints about cable failure, but I've never needed it, so it's still sealed in the box.

Marauder359
12-03-2013, 04:51 PM
I bought a spare back then after reading some complaints about cable failure, but I've never needed it, so it's still sealed in the box.

My first cable from the launch of RS1 is still going strong, too. However, I, too, bought a second cable. However, mine wasn't exactly voluntary. Ubisoft lied about a no-cable version available for pre-order for RS2014, and then didn't fulfil the pre-orders. As such, I was forced to pay the extra cash for a cable version of RS2014... so I have an extra too, but not one I wanted, and certainly not one I've needed.

I'm just so happy they treated us so well and fairly by lying to us and getting us to spend money on a game version they apparently had no intention of releasing. Oh man.

If I can't get a response to the issue, the issue will speak for itself, I suppose.

zrutherford20
12-03-2013, 05:34 PM
Those who are complaining about $30 for a cable have clearly purchased Rocksmith as a game and not a tool to help learn the guitar or else they would know the definition of a musician.

A musician is someone who puts $5,000 worth of equipment in a $500 car to drive 100 miles for a $50 gig. Playing music isn't cheap and when it comes to guitars, amps, strings, picks, cables, and other accessories, you end up spending quite a bit. Things break and things go bad. Don't tell me that the guys complaining about having to get a new cable are the same ones who have never replaced their strings on their guitars.

Themata
12-25-2013, 02:14 AM
Those who are complaining about $30 for a cable have clearly purchased Rocksmith as a game and not a tool to help learn the guitar or else they would know the definition of a musician.

A musician is someone who puts $5,000 worth of equipment in a $500 car to drive 100 miles for a $50 gig. Playing music isn't cheap and when it comes to guitars, amps, strings, picks, cables, and other accessories, you end up spending quite a bit. Things break and things go bad. Don't tell me that the guys complaining about having to get a new cable are the same ones who have never replaced their strings on their guitars.

That may describe some people.

For me, I'd be happy to pay a 'byo cable fee' to allow me to use one of my existing DACs.

I'm sure the DRM ****le/DAC cable is fine, there's just something a little odd about buying a digital copy on steam, then having to source hardware which does what I can already do and costs more than the software (here in Australia)

EDIT: haha, d0ngle is a censored word!
EDIT#2: An example might be if Marshall amps only worked with a Marshall cable, with the amp recognising the type of cable. A cable only costs $30, so no big deal, it's just a bit of an odd requirement. Amp piracy isn't an issue, so no one would ever do this, but I feel it's a good analogy.

C.Linton
12-25-2013, 06:42 AM
Well, as a bass player of around forty years (on and off), I can only say $30 US for a decent plain guitar cable is not unreasonable. Ubisoft claims the game will only work with their dedicated cable, so, unless they are blowing smoke up our collective skirts in order to sell the cable, then you need the RS cable if you want to play the game.

mrvega79
12-25-2013, 10:30 AM
A musician is someone who puts $5,000 worth of equipment in a $500 car to drive 100 miles for a $50 gig

So true. But you forgot about spending $100 on gas and tolls along the way.


Last time I bought a guitar cable this length, it pretty much cost me what the RS cables cost (well, except I bought my two cables used). I don't see the big deal. I've spent hundreds on guitar cables over the years. And much more than that on guitars, amps, etc. Nowadays I'm not jumping around on stage, so I'm at less risk to break the cable.

On the other hand, I've seen at least one guy claim he was able to run Rocksmith with a normal guitar jack using an 1/8" adapter to run it into the mike input. The adapter will cost you a little less than the Rocksmith cable, so you'll still be able to afford to super-size your next french fry order.

Greenbrick2
12-26-2013, 06:35 AM
This is a product that's being sold to people that are completely new to guitars.

Except that if you're buying the game on Steam instead of in a store, you're not new to computers...

Themata
12-26-2013, 07:49 AM
Except that if you're buying the game on Steam instead of in a store, you're not new to computers...

True, but the kids these days don't remember the DRM d0ngle.
This cable fulfills both the DAC function, and the DRM function, so must be purchased even if you already have a DAC.

urgh *facepalm* If interested, will need to correct the below censored link. Stars are the sound of a doorbell: ding-****
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_protection_****le
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_protection_****le)