3rd person view

[SCE_Soultear]

FOR **** sakes Ubisoft, Why the **** are you changing all these awesome games to 3d person view. If you do it for this one, this will defiantly kill what you made that was once Ravenshield/ Blackarrow/ R6/3.

Dig your own grave. **** while you are at it, put a bullet in your heads too. Thanks, I see GR:FS is a ****ing flop, dont do the same mistake. ****KKKKKKKK>

Yes I bought the ****ty game GRFS, to support your welfare *** but this will be the last time.

Rant off/. *A Fan for way to long*

[Justin-x]

So what exactly is the point of this thread other than making a useless rant?

[Ubi-Mush]

I guess he wants the game to be in first person. All feedback is sent to the developers however written.

[sameer_monier]

well I would like them to keep the 3rd Person Cover, it adds to the character, of course the character also needs to talk and not be a silent character-less guy, he needs to talk, interact, and have an opinion.

Also for 3rd Person Cover, get rid of the god-view, instead make the leaning a must to see around the corners, R6P actually seems to do so, so I believe all is good.

Just my opinion and feed back :)

[semajmarc87]

I honestly can't understand how people can enjoy first-person games. I enjoy how third-person gives me a greater awareness of my surroundings.

[Tully__]

I honestly can't understand how people can enjoy first-person games.
For me, 1st person feels more like being in the character's role rather than controller the character, it helps me feel more involved and invested.

As for the situational awareness thing, 1st person is better than 3rd person in some ways, 3rd person is better in others. I think 1st person better represents the limitations the actual character would have, it feels more real, however in a lot of situations for me it's easier to judge jumps, drops, climbs and aiming from 1st person. I suppose it depends to some extent on what you're used to and what you've played more and I won't begrudge people their 3rd person views, however I still massively prefer a 1st person game.

[sameer_monier]

For me, 1st person feels more like being in the character's role rather than controller the character, it helps me feel more involved and invested.

As for the situational awareness thing, 1st person is better than 3rd person in some ways, 3rd person is better in others. I think 1st person better represents the limitations the actual character would have, it feels more real, however in a lot of situations for me it's easier to judge jumps, drops, climbs and aiming from 1st person. I suppose it depends to some extent on what you're used to and what you've played more and I won't begrudge people their 3rd person views, however I still massively prefer a 1st person game.

that's if you see the legs, right ?!

Cause I was playing Deus Ex Human Revolution, and judging jumps was based on trial and error rather than seeing the ledge , yet maybe I am not that good at FPS.

TBH I don't like FPS that much, I play some FPS, those that feel great like Resistance series for example, and I am really waiting for Dishonored, but most of the time there is a huge FOLLOW sigh, the character doesn't talk, he is more like a thin paper, and I don't feel attached to the character at all, whenever I play a game I assume I am that character, I don't assume myself to be in the game, hence when the character stop talking and be more like "just there" it breaks immersion for me, a good example that comes to mind is Medal of Honor-2010 I ended up caring more about the other characters rather than my own, I also felt the ending had potential, but was wasted due to the whole Silent Character thing, just an opinion though.

[Tully__]

that's if you see the legs, right ?!...
Even when you can't. One of my all time favourites is "Thief" from Eidos. All you ever see of Garrett is his right arm and whatever weapon it's holding. There aren't even any mirrors in the first Thief game so you don't even get to see his reflection. On the other hand, the cutscenes between missions filled out his character excellently, along with quite a bit of backstory and really got me involved.

[sameer_monier]

Even when you can't. One of my all time favourites is "Thief" from Eidos. All you ever see of Garrett is his right arm and whatever weapon it's holding. There aren't even any mirrors in the first Thief game so you don't even get to see his reflection. On the other hand, the cutscenes between missions filled out his character excellently, along with quite a bit of backstory and really got me involved.

Thief is one of the series I really want to try out, I am waiting for Thi4f to be honest, cause by then they may announce a HD Collection, and I can just jump on the whole series in one go.

[Tully__]

Thief is one of the series I really want to try out, I am waiting for Thi4f to be honest, cause by then they may announce a HD Collection, and I can just jump on the whole series in one go.
Thief Gold and Thief II are a bid fiddly to get working on Win7, but well worth it if you can manage it. Thief III was a bit of a let down as it changed the play style a bit but still a good game. I'm looking forward to IV as well, though with a little trepidation that they may even further depart from the early game style and just go for flashy effects. However this is a little off topic for the R6 forum....

[Dirtymurph]

First person is by far better in most cases as far as online in my opinion. Third person brings a whole new element of bs to the table. If they cant do it right then they shouldnt have the cover system at all. Ive said this a hundred times. Before Vegas came out they even said it was crazy to give us the "god view" and guess what, we still got it. So they know it shouldnt be the way it was. For whatever reason they just left it that way and later added in the fairly horrible High Stakes mode. Third person just has no place in a shooter thats supposed to be more on the realistic side unless its an option. They should just make a third person play list to please the extremely small group of people that want to play that way. I say to do it this way because from what theyve said so far it looks like we are going to get "blessed" with matchmaking instead of custom lobbies. Im just curious but Ubi always says they listen to the community but they never do anything we ask for, even something small like searching for custom lobbies. Nobody ever asked for matchmaking and it will kill the more personal and mature side of R6 that attracts a lot of people. The lobby searching in V2 was fine except for not showing your ping before actually joining, other than that it was almost perfect.

[doogsy91]

I prefer a third person view, but thats probably because I generally don't like FPS games. I like that you can see your characters animations beyond his hands and I feel that it really allows you to connect with your character as you can see that he/she is a living and breathing person (especially during dialogue) and not just a floating gun. I also like that in Ghost Recon, the player has a wider, more realistic lateral field of view. But GR's system doesn't work that well in tighter indoor environments which is why first person suits R6. Where a third person view falls apart is in cover which is where patriots looked to have addressed this issue really well by bringing the camera in close to your character's head, forcing the player to peek out beyond cover in order to see. I imagine this feature would also be extremely well received by the multiplayer crowd (of which I'm not really a part). I hope this feature remains and that it even makes it into the next GR.

[sameer_monier]

I prefer a third person view, but thats probably because I generally don't like FPS games. I like that you can see your characters animations beyond his hands and I feel that it really allows you to connect with your character as you can see that he/she is a living and breathing person (especially during dialogue) and not just a floating gun. I also like that in Ghost Recon, the player has a wider, more realistic lateral field of view. But GR's system doesn't work that well in tighter indoor environments which is why first person suits R6. Where a third person view falls apart is in cover which is where patriots looked to have addressed this issue really well by bringing the camera in close to your character's head, forcing the player to peek out beyond cover in order to see. I imagine this feature would also be extremely well received by the multiplayer crowd (of which I'm not really a part). I hope this feature remains and that it even makes it into the next GR.

100% Agree, I hope Ubi can see that there are both fans who like TPV and FPV, I think they found th best balance as you said when the camera gets so close to the face in cover and you are forced to peak, my only 2nd hope is again as you said that the main character talk, has a personality, and not just be a floating gun.

[Real720]

I honestly can't understand how people can enjoy first-person games. I enjoy how third-person gives me a greater awareness of my surroundings.
It requires more skill than 3rd person shooters.

[Dcopymope]

It requires more skill than 3rd person shooters.

After looking at the most popular third person shooters, I have to agree with this. Its like Dirtymurph said, if they can't implement the third person cover system the right way then it shouldn't be done at all. Other than games like the older Socom games, there aren't that many games that have done it right. The new Hitman game is another prime example of how not to implement a third person cover system. Instead of designing the cover system to fit with the Hitman style of play, which is a stealth game, they just wholesale ripped off the cover system from Gears of War, a cover system that no Hitman fan ever asked for. The cover system for Gears of War works because Gears of War is meant to be a fast paced shooter. You do the same with games like Hitman and it will only encourage people to play it the same way, especially if its got a Wolverine health system, instead of how Hitman was always meant to be played. Rainbow Six never was and was never meant to be a fast paced shooter yet this is what Ubi Soft turned it into with Vegas. A half done Gears of War style cover system that allows you to magically see around corners that some laughably call realistic. This cover system along with the Wolverine health system are the two main features that were responsible for the ruination of the Vegas gameplay and must be scratched off the list of returning features for Patriots.

[Tully__]

If you really want to know how much you can't see when you're properly in cover, try real life paintball. About 1 in 4 times you peek out to see what's going on you get a paint ball in your goggles/visor. If you're not properly in cover, you get a paint ball on the crown of your head, your shoulder, elbow, heel, whatever's sticking out. Very few games have what could be called a realistic "cover system" except the early ones that didn't have one at all. You either manually stood / crouched / lay prone behind something you couldn't see around or you got shot.

[KoffinKatRock]

I don't really care particularly if there's third-person or not. While it's nice to have, it would certainly be abused in pvp; hell, I was guilty of it in Vegas 2 and SOCOM. I don't see a problem making it optional in non-competitive modes, though. Though Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow did a good job of incorporating both in pvp. For those of you unfamiliar with SCPT, the pvp consisted of two spies vs two mercs. The mercs were first person at all times and the spies were third person. Both teams had their own little gadgets of course, but the pvp was incredibly solid. It would be interesting for the Rainbow Six team to incorporate a mode where you have something like six people with 3rd person god mode vs 12 people with first-person view. The team itself would have to work on making it fair, but that would be a unique and interesting gameplay mode in modern shooters that could give Ubi and Team Rainbow something to boast about if done properly. Hell, with C4, I bet a Rainbow Squad of six could easily fight off 15 to 20 FPS players.

[Execrate]

Where does it say it will be third person?

[OddieTheGrouch]

Where does it say it will be third person?

Lol thats what I have been wondering, WTF is this dude talking about?

I think the lack of Info may be getting to his head

[doogsy91]

Where does it say it will be third person?


Lol thats what I have been wondering, WTF is this dude talking about?

I think the lack of Info may be getting to his head
It's obviously in reference to the cover system.

[Execrate]

R6V1 and 2 had TP Cover old news lol

[D Skul lUnicron]

But Rainbow had 3rd person in the first game & Rogue Spear, 3rd person was in Rainbow Six right from when it was released, So how did 3rd person ruin Rainbow again?

[Dcopymope]

But Rainbow had 3rd person in the first game & Rogue Spear, 3rd person was in Rainbow Six right from when it was released, So how did 3rd person ruin Rainbow again?

Its irrelevant whether or not the older Rainbow Six games had a third person view because that's not what ruined the experience in the Vegas games, it was the cover system that ruined it that allowed you to magically see around corners without actually looking. This half-assed cover along with the wolverine health system are the two gameplay mechanics that were almost the sole contributors to the complete ruination of the experience.

[D Skul lUnicron]

Its irrelevant whether or not the older Rainbow Six games had a third person view because that's not what ruined the experience in the Vegas games, it was the cover system that ruined it that allowed you to magically see around corners without actually looking. This half-assed cover along with the wolverine health system are the two gameplay mechanics that were almost the sole contributors to the complete ruination of the experience.

But You could do that in rogue spear too, havn't you heard of 3rd person camping???

[Om4zd]

I think leaning and peeking should be in instead of the 3rd person cover. Maybe the cover system from Far Cry 3 could work?

[SCE_Soultear]

I honestly can't understand how people can enjoy first-person games. I enjoy how third-person gives me a greater awareness of my surroundings.

I can understand how. You want to have more area to see, an adjustable FOV is all you need. Or a press button feature so as you are running straight you can view to your left or right. Done.

[SCE_Soultear]

. I imagine this feature would also be extremely well received by the multiplayer crowd (of which I'm not really a part). I hope this feature remains and that it even makes it into the next GR.
So you don't play MP, but you want a shoddy 3D view so you can see your nice costume and have the rest of us suffer that buy these games to play online?

That's awesome, thanks for your feedback. This will go straight to the top devs while the real fanbase idea's get shoveled down the toilet. I remember when Vegas and vegas 2 was shoved together in one forum ( Both PC and console) and after that didn't work, they separated the 2 again and lost over half the posts for Vegas PC. There were some good idea's in there before it was destroyed. I see nothing in Patriot ever made it to the company UBI for feedback.

I just saw a video, to late game will be in 3rd person. Another flop for PC, console players only need a game that lasts an 8 month life cycle then they move on. Ubisofts cash Cow.

I do believe PC and Console are coming to an even playing field here in the next year. UBI development and future investments have to look again at this audience because it's getting big again, with android OS devices entering the market it is endless. PC is big to. They have to get over the piracy excuse and move on and quit making crappy glitch games. I get pissed with this comment (PC Pirates) when I go and buy UBI's last Tom Clancy games especially the last one (Ghost Recon Future soldier) and it's a complete crapola and bad, people tend not to buy them anymore after getting burned a few times by the same company.

I have been around for awhile. The fanbase said no to 3rd person view years ago. So what did they do, make another game 3rd person view.
-No 3rd person,
-dedicated servers with a good Rcon,
-and a map editor.

This has been said over a 1000 times and I can say with a 100% accuracy this will not happen. It will be another cheap port with hardly no support. Heck this is not even a guess anymore it will be fact. Get your flame suits on because once the game is released expect bad behavior once again on the forums because nothing will have made it to the game that the fans have asked for.

This time though it will be well deserved. It's been only a decade that the fans wanted a real Rainbow 6 game.

[doogsy91]

So you don't play MP, but you want a shoddy 3D view so you can see your nice costume and have the rest of us suffer that buy these games to play online?

That's awesome, thanks for your feedback. This will go straight to the top devs while the real fanbase idea's get shoveled down the toilet.
Dear ****head

Yes, I want you to suffer. I want third person so I can see my new tac boots but above all, to piss off proper fans like yourself.

Now quoting myself from the ADS thread:

I too like a cover system (in theory) and the left trigger system. I don't like being locked into cover like in GR but I like being locked into ADS if you know what I mean. It's just a shame that a good cover system has never been done. Conviction's was great for its application but god view in a competitive shooter is just stupid.
When I said I liked third person, I was not referring specifically to Rainbow Six. I like third person games (SC, GR, AC etc). If you read the conversation in context, you'll find we were talking about a variety of games.

Now, as evidenced by the above quote, my position is that the Vegas system was flawed due to its god view which was what made the system particularly detrimental to the adversarial component. In my opinion, a third person cover system could work well, I've just not seen it done before.

Happy?

[SCE_Soultear]

Dear ****head

Yes, I want you to suffer. I want third person so I can see my new tac boots but above all, to piss off proper fans like yourself.

Now quoting myself from the ADS thread:

When I said I liked third person, I was not referring specifically to Rainbow Six. I like third person games (SC, GR, AC etc). If you read the conversation in context, you'll find we were talking about a variety of games.

Now, as evidenced by the above quote, my position is that the Vegas system was flawed due to its god view which was what made the system particularly detrimental to the adversarial component. In my opinion, a third person cover system could work well, I've just not seen it done before.

Happy?

Listen hear **** lover, I have been waiting for 10 years for a true R6 game. And no, 3rd person view doesn't work well in online TC games. To many glitches comes with it. Its not even a true 3rd person view, it's more of a gears of war type of view/ cover. Cover works well in Splinter Cell but not Ghost Recon or Rainbow 6.

[doogsy91]

Listen hear **** lover,

Ouch...


I have been waiting for 10 years for a true R6 game.

Entitled much?? I don't give a **** how long you've been playing Rainbow for, my opinion is just as valid as yours. Get the **** off your high horse and stop insulting peoples' intelligence simply for having an opinion that differs from your own.


And no, 3rd person view doesn't work well in online TC games.

...Exactly what I was saying before.


Cover works well in Splinter Cell but not Ghost Recon or Rainbow 6.
And that's your opinion... That's fine.

[EvilPixieGrrr]

Le'ts keep it civil, gang. If this thread continues along this line of conversation, I will lock it.

[SCE_Soultear]

Ouch...



Entitled much?? I don't give a **** how long you've been playing Rainbow for, my opinion is just as valid as yours. Get the **** off your high horse and stop insulting peoples' intelligence simply for having an opinion that differs from your own.



...Exactly what I was saying before.


And that's your opinion... That's fine.

Typical casual soak em up money ubi player. Your Opinion is fine with me too.

*If one would never ask for change for the better, it would never happen.*

~Soultear.

[SCE_Soultear]

But Rainbow had 3rd person in the first game & Rogue Spear, 3rd person was in Rainbow Six right from when it was released, So how did 3rd person ruin Rainbow again?
It's called "cover" pop out bang your dead ****. Something that Roguespear never had.

[Real720]

Listen hear **** lover, I have been waiting for 10 years for a true R6 game. And no, 3rd person view doesn't work well in online TC games. To many glitches comes with it. Its not even a true 3rd person view, it's more of a gears of war type of view/ cover. Cover works well in Splinter Cell but not Ghost Recon or Rainbow 6.
I agree. Third person view should've stayed in the Splinter Cell games only. They made the other two series more accessible to these detestable noobs who believe that tactical games involve using supernatural abilities to win. Those who disagree with this should gtfo.