A way to satfiy your long time fanbase, and increase sales of Rainbow Six Patriots

[WreckingbalI]

Let me first start off by saying im a big fan of the rainbow six series. Rainbow Six: 3 was one of the most competitive and social first person shooter I can remember and don’t forget, it stayed on Xbox Live’s top ten for most of its life. Now don’t get me wrong I liked Vegas, but with the third person cover system and the Hollywood- esque single player, it felt like a completely different beast.

You could satisfy both your hardcore fans and increase sales of Rainbow Six: Patriots by producing a HD re-release of Rainbow Six 3: Black Arrow with multiplayer (Or the original RS:3).Now how does this increase the sales of Rainbow Six: Patriots you ask? Well you could include it as a limited timed preorder special, or have it part of a collector’s edition of Patriots. For example, you could place a three month time limit on the game, then have it up for sale on the XBLA, and PSN store. I would buy patriots in a heartbeat, just to jump in on the game three months early, and I think a lot of fans would too. Plus it would be a great way of letting retail customers know about your product on the marketplace that wouldn’t otherwise have known. Look at Activision, they included the original Call of Duty with the harden edition of Black Ops, and it seemed to work quite well for them.

Now, I don’t know what kind of rights Microsoft might have with Black Arrow because it was an Xbox excusive, but a lot of fans of the series missed out on an awesome game because they didn’t own an Xbox. Plus it's not even playable online now since they shut down the original Xbox live servers. If Black Arrow is not an option, you could easily just go with Rainbow Six: 3 and get the same response. If anyone has any comments or other ideas on this please post it. I welcome any positive criticism, thanks!

P.S. I also want to include more examples. Metal of Honor: Front lines was included in the limited edition of Metal of Honor. The original Doom 1&2 will be include into the upcoming release of Doom 3 BFG edition.It worked for EA, Activision, and now id Software is doing it too. I believe it would be a great success with UBI Soft. Fans have been clamoring for a HD RS:3 for a very long time (Multiplayer is a must though)

[SCE_Soultear]

first off I do agree with your post. Second these new forums suck. "Why do I have too verify again to reply to someone????????? "

That is very lame. I loged on and I have to verfiy again for a reply = fail. I have never been on forums before where one has to do this all the time. Change pls or well, enjoy the no post count.

Second, ubisoft does not read these forums. They are fat losers that dont listen to their fanbase and do what they want. I say fine so be it.

Just for the record, this game comes out in 3rd person view.. this game will flop to. It will sell ok on xbox but PC it will really suck.

It worked for Rogue but you have to go into that view by a pressing a key. Dammit these guys are numbskulls. Enjoy your only cashcow....assassins creed.

[WreckingbalI]

Well I know UBI soft has had a bad reputation with their community, but the moderators on this forum have been doing a great job responding to our threads lately. I hope at least this idea gets tossed around somewhere in UBi soft, if only for a brief period. It would increase sales, improve relations with hardcore fans, and create a profitable product all at the same time. Seems like a smart move to me, but I have to admit I have no idea what goes into making a HD remake with multiplayer support.

[goblingee]

I have said many times in many places that R6 should go back to its routes. Go back to Rogue Spear, tart up the graphics and game play but keep the planning and strategy and release it for the PC and give Patriots to the console users, us PC gamers are fed-up with being given broken leftover console ports that don't work and never get fixed.

I would rather pay for a remade Rogue Spear made for the PC than another broken port from the consoles designed for console players. Keep it 1st person, keep the peek rather than god on acid 3rd person tripout mode and don't bring in the 3rd person cover. good, pure, simple old school Rainbow Six without complicating it into just another bog standard run and gun shooter. Remember what made R6 great and popular in the 1st place and go back to it.

I am sure it was all the messing about and the release of Lockdown and the Vegas games that lost so many fans to MW3 and COD in the 1st place, if you want them back don't try to compete just give them what they want and guaranteed they will come running back.

[Dcopymope]

I have said many times in many places that R6 should go back to its routes. Go back to Rogue Spear, tart up the graphics and game play but keep the planning and strategy and release it for the PC and give Patriots to the console users, us PC gamers are fed-up with being given broken leftover console ports that don't work and never get fixed.

I would rather pay for a remade Rogue Spear made for the PC than another broken port from the consoles designed for console players. Keep it 1st person, keep the peek rather than god on acid 3rd person tripout mode and don't bring in the 3rd person cover. good, pure, simple old school Rainbow Six without complicating it into just another bog standard run and gun shooter. Remember what made R6 great and popular in the 1st place and go back to it.

I am sure it was all the messing about and the release of Lockdown and the Vegas games that lost so many fans to MW3 and COD in the 1st place, if you want them back don't try to compete just give them what they want and guaranteed they will come running back.

They either give us a real Rainbow Six game or the remaining fans will go running to Takedown and Ground Branch. Competing with top shooters isn't the issue. Competing is what this is all about after all. You just don't do it by robbing the Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon brand of its identify by trying to be like Call of Duty. Its quite obvious that this isn't going to work no matter how hard they try. Its certainly not going to increase sales, as we can see with Future Soldier. As many have said, why should people play a wannabe Halo or Call of Duty when they can just play the real thing? Battlefield 3 didn't sell over 10 million copies out the gates because it was trying to be like other shooters, it did it because it was and still is a Battlefield game at heart, despite the problems with the subsequent updates. This is just basic common sense. I know how great Ghost Recon could have been had Ubi Soft stuck to and improved the original gameplay. It no doubt would have been a poor mans Arma 2, as the style of the original Ghost Recon is quite similar to that of Arma and Operation Flashpoint. If you don't think so, just ask any long time fan of the Arma and Operation Flashpoint franchise, or you can look at Ground Branch as a shining example. The original concept of Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon has so much potential to be something special, especially for the console market.

[Ubi-Mush]

Hi WreckingbalI, thank you for your feedback I have passed this on to the Com Dev, although I cannot promise anything.

[sameer_monier]

Hi WreckingbalI, thank you for your feedback I have passed this on to the Com Dev, although I cannot promise anything.
we got a Com.Dev ?!, is he around the forum or still waiting till Ubi re-show R6P to join us ?!

[Ubi-Mush]

He'll be around closer to release ;) until then I can forward any feedback to him.

[WreckingbalI]

Hi WreckingbalI, thank you for your feedback I have passed this on to the Com Dev, although I cannot promise anything.
Thank you very much Mush. I know you can't promise anything, but it means a lot that you looked at my post and passed it along. I think this is a brilliant idea that can satisfy fans of the series, and also bring increased sales to UBI soft. It's been done recently with great success ex. Call of Duty & Metal of Honor. I don't see why it wouldn't work for Rainbow Six as well.

[sameer_monier]

Hi WreckingbalI, thank you for your feedback I have passed this on to the Com Dev, although I cannot promise anything.
I can't wait :)

[Dirtymurph]

Oh Im sure that the CD cant wait to start interacting with the forums.:rolleyes:
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[SawScaledViper]

I would love to play the original Rainbow 6 all I played was Rainbow Six Critical Hour and did not really care for Vegas 1 or 2


He'll be around closer to release ;) until then I can forward any feedback to him.

Say hi to him from us all.

[Ubi-Mush]

Say hi to him from us all.

Will do ;)

[WreckingbalI]

If you get any kind of feedback from this, be sure to let us know. Thanks Mush.

[Ubi-Mush]

I will of course let you know and you are welcome :)

[Mr_Shade]

Oh Im sure that the CD cant wait to start interacting with the forums.:rolleyes:


I'm sure he has already been reading the forums - so knows to bring his fireproof suit ;)

Just don't be too hard on him - ComDevs are hard to fix ;)

[Justin-x]

I'm sure he has already been reading the forums - so knows to bring his fireproof suit ;)

Just don't be too hard on him - ComDevs are hard to fix ;)He'll need more than a flamesuit to protect himself from the delinquents on these forums.

[sameer_monier]

He'll need more than a flamesuit to protect himself from the delinquents on these forums.

Totally true haha

[Dirtymurph]

I'm sure he has already been reading the forums - so knows to bring his fireproof suit ;)

Just don't be too hard on him - ComDevs are hard to fix ;)

Actually if you think about it. I think they will have it pretty good. Its basically a fresh start since pretty much everyone has left. Id imagine that most of the people in the R6 forums are more into the Vegas games then the older ones as well as the people who will be pouring in once more info comes out. With that being said, I hope there have been some changes to the way things work. I also would like to see a ComDev with a thicker skin. For instance, if you're working on info for the community don't say it will be released at a certain date and then have it be two weeks after you said it would initially be out. I know its hard to keep saying "soon" over and over but its even worse if you put a date on it and don't deliver. Also as part of the change I was talking about, saying you'll tell the team what we say has got to the point around here where nobody believes it. They need to start actually saying something in response to the feedback through the ComDev. This would not only make the ComDev actually feel like they are doing this part of their job but it would be good for the forums as well. The team needs to start getting back on here and communicating. Don't assume that you're going to just get slammed with negativity, at least try. A perfect example of how you shouldn't act is when Therien used to come in here. He would come in with good intentions and then he would just argue with the negative people instead of simply ignoring or banning them and he eventually left and never came back. Every game should have a David Vonderhaar, everyone wants to copy COD but they don't want to look at people like him as an example for community relations.

[sameer_monier]

Actually if you think about it. I think they will have it pretty good. Its basically a fresh start since pretty much everyone has left. Id imagine that most of the people in the R6 forums are more into the Vegas games then the older ones as well as the people who will be pouring in once more info comes out. With that being said, I hope there have been some changes to the way things work. I also would like to see a ComDev with a thicker skin. For instance, if you're working on info for the community don't say it will be released at a certain date and then have it be two weeks after you said it would initially be out. I know its hard to keep saying "soon" over and over but its even worse if you put a date on it and don't deliver. Also as part of the change I was talking about, saying you'll tell the team what we say has got to the point around here where nobody believes it. They need to start actually saying something in response to the feedback through the ComDev. This would not only make the ComDev actually feel like they are doing this part of their job but it would be good for the forums as well. The team needs to start getting back on here and communicating. Don't assume that you're going to just get slammed with negativity, at least try. A perfect example of how you shouldn't act is when Therien used to come in here. He would come in with good intentions and then he would just argue with the negative people instead of simply ignoring or banning them and he eventually left and never came back. Every game should have a David Vonderhaar, everyone wants to copy COD but they don't want to look at people like him as an example for community relations.

Everyone will be back once R6P is shown, and we will fall into the same circle of hate vs love, if it will be good or not, I hope we at least see a couple of vidoes enforcing balance between casual and hardcore.

Also there is a problem with your suggestion, Ubi doesn't allow it's devs to comment on the forums, but some may respond to tweets, assuming the one isn't someone stupid who is name calling and cursing, but from who I came across, most of the devs are nice guys, but the community got some messed up people, you are totally free to hate the new game, you are totally free to not buy it, but you should never name call someone, no matter what ((not you, in general I mean)) :)

Also I am not too fond of Soon, I actually hate that word, I would rather have a date to look forward to, but I agree I hope we don't get delays after delays, anyway for now I hope Sear's Vision is intact, no idea how though.

[Justin-x]

I hope we can get a dedicated comdev that is similar to the comdevs in the AC and Blacklist forums. Not trying to put some devs above others but after checking those forums recently I found that they reacted and communicated with the community even if they didn't have any new info to give. They showed that the community was not being neglected. I realize that comdevs for different games have different priorities but even a simple post by them every so often helps boost moral among the community.

Don't know why the communication is different from forum to forum though. Is it the community or the game that makes a comdev interact more?

[Real720]

Hi WreckingbalI, thank you for your feedback I have passed this on to the Com Dev, although I cannot promise anything.
It's HIGHLY unlikely they'll take this particular feedback seriously. We've been requesting a re-release for quite some time, but our efforts were futile.

[sameer_monier]

It's HIGHLY unlikely they'll take this particular feedback seriously. We've been requesting a re-release for quite some time, but our efforts were futile.

Don't forget Splinter Cell HD Collection, I know, I know, not the best, a PS3 Exclusive, and no MP, but still a re-release in a way :D
Also Prince of Persia HD Collection.

Also there was a rumor about Ghost Recon 1 coming to PSN or something, so there is a possibility of GR & R6 HD Collection.

[Real720]

Don't forget Splinter Cell HD Collection, I know, I know, not the best, a PS3 Exclusive, and no MP, but still a re-release in a way :D
As good as Splinter Cell Chaos Theory's single player was, the biggest reason we requested them to re-release it was due to multiplayer. When they revealed that it wasn't going to have multiplayer (including coop) without specifying a reason, that was like pointing a giant middle finger to the fans, US!

[goblingee]

I'm sure he has already been reading the forums - so knows to bring his fireproof suit ;)

Just don't be too hard on him - ComDevs are hard to fix ;)

So are fans, in fact they are probably harder to fix as so many have already left for other games, games I still have to point out that were not in competition until the vegas games as they were not even in the same league and never will be as far as the tactical R6 games used to be.

[SCE_Soultear]

Well I know UBI soft has had a bad reputation with their community, but the moderators on this forum have been doing a great job responding to our threads lately. I hope at least this idea gets tossed around somewhere in UBi soft, if only for a brief period. It would increase sales, improve relations with hardcore fans, and create a profitable product all at the same time. Seems like a smart move to me, but I have to admit I have no idea what goes into making a HD remake with multiplayer support.
I see Dev's are reading and posting, just look at that great new game GR:AWF. Must have used alot of feedback from the fanbase there. Top quality for sure. Vegas 2 was stellar too, no FOV so you had a headache after about 5 min of playing the game plus it was more of an expansion pack that came out at full price.

My comment and Idea would be to bring back Black arrow R6:3 for PC. But not so much of a HD release but new graphics new engine release. Heck new game release with level editor WHAT!!! That would be almost unheard of. Who am I kidding, it would never happen.

[IsRamic]

I hope this game can comeback from the last few months of chaos.

[goblingee]

Forget UBI,

They have killed Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon.

Check this out from one of the creators from the original Redstorm team that made Rainbow Six and Ghost Recon.

We need to support this game. It is everything that UBI should have been making and more.

http://www.groundbranch.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=B9e7Er-4LDA

These guys are making a game that the PC community need and want, this is where it is at, UBI have no respect for us, they don't give us games that work or that we want so lets break our loyal friendships and go to Ground Branch.

Even back to the good old lean and peak which UBI scrapped for their crappy 3rd person cover. This looks awesome.

[Dieinthedark]

Groundbranch doesn't look that great IMHO, but Takedown, that's looks amazing!

[goblingee]

The footage for Ground Branch is very early though. I think it is going to be awesome if it gets the support it needs.

What are the alternatives? more broken ported arse from UBI. Rainbow Six, Rogue Spear and Raven shield are still to date the best FPS Tactical shooters ever made, they were in a class of their own and have been killed off by people with no vision and no creativity that have to follow the format of the competition rather than break the competition by continuing with what was good.

I think this game needs to be made for PC and then we can leave UBI to their console games that they seem to love so much.