Petition to get rid of Templar Vision in ACR and AC3

[mockers00]

Templar Vision ruins the game, it's the only ability I will legitmaly complain about or call nooby. Yeah sure it has cooldowns but it's an auto showing of who is who and takes no skill. It ruins the fun of finding the players and making it challenging. I really want it to be removed in ACR and for it not to return in AC3. I am not sure if they confirmed whether it will or will not be back in AC3 but lets make sure it does not return.

This is a petition for Templar Vision to be removed from ACR and for it not return AC3. Sign your name if you want it out of ACR and AC3

-Mockers

[r_o_s_]

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I think you should remove yourself from ACR and AC3 if you can't figure out who your pursuer is when they use Templar Vision.

[mockers00]

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I think you should remove yourself from ACR and AC3 if you can't figure out who your pursuer is when they use Templar Vision.

I am not a noob, I know it;s the glowing person who is using it. It's a stupid reason for me to have to abond my hiding spot because somone just cheats and uses it. Plus people can use it super close and just kill you. Also people from long range that you cant notice use it and then use their gun.

[r_o_s_]

Plus people can use it super close and just kill you. Then it's your fault for letting them get too close.

Also people from long range that you cant notice use it and then use their gun. Yeah it gets annoying, but they only get 100+points. It's an effective set against a stunlocking team in manhunt.
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[mockers00]

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It's a waste... that's all it is, it does not fit in the game well and it's the wackest ability of them all.

[AwkwardlyBruta]

It's a waste... that's all it is, it does not fit in the game well and it's the wackest ability of them all.

The only reason I'd want them to remove TV is if they put sprint boost back in, I mean It's probably on of the best "Utility" ability in AC:B but they took it out. :P

[whattafool]

No tv = no counter for morph. If you're getting tv'd, bring abilities to stun the pursuer rather than to hide.

[mockers00]

No tv = no counter for morph. If you're getting tv'd, bring abilities to stun the pursuer rather than to hide.

TV is not a counter to morph, what kind of non-sense is that? You can counter Morph with tons of crap, some just off the top of my head, You can counter Morph with Morph and with firecrackers. I know their is more to plus tactics not using abilities.

[pioneerprogres]

Dear lord, I need a frakkin facepalm emote.
OH NO THE GAME IS RUINING THE GAME!!!1!one!

Each and every ability is a part of the game, and pisses SOMEBODY off. I guess we could make everyone happy and just have a gender-neutral character standing in the middle of a nondescript field looking back at you. Then nobody would have anything to get mad about.

[Serrachio]

It's "cheating" to use an ability that's been added into the game by the developers, but it's too much effort to stun the person using it.

I think you just need to stop complaining.

[mockers00]

It's "cheating" to use an ability that's been added into the game by the developers, but it's too much effort to stun the person using it.

I think you just need to stop complaining.

First off stunning is lame, because you know for fact if he is half decent it's going to end in a stupid contested kill so don't act you know how to counter the stupid thing,*which you can counter it but it's a ridiculously wasting feeling over such a dumb ability* Yeah and I am not the only one complaining about it. Just because they added it doesnt mean it's useful or balanced. Devolpers remove stuff all the time, how you gonna feel when their is no more TV in AC3 goes to show it was a horrible ability.

[pioneerprogres]

First off stunning is lame, because you know for fact if he is half decent it's going to end in a stupid contested kill so don't act you know how to counter the stupid thing,*which you can counter it but it's a ridiculously wasting feeling over such a dumb ability* Yeah and I am not the only one complaining about it. Just because they added it doesnt mean it's useful or balanced. Devolpers remove stuff all the time, how you gonna feel when their is no more TV in AC3 goes to show it was a horrible ability.

so have knives or mute or charge or smoke bomb. Or just run away. There's plenty of ways to deal with it.

[Serrachio]

First off stunning is lame, because you know for fact if he is half decent it's going to end in a stupid contested kill so don't act you know how to counter the stupid thing,*which you can counter it but it's a ridiculously wasting feeling over such a dumb ability* Yeah and I am not the only one complaining about it. Just because they added it doesnt mean it's useful or balanced. Devolpers remove stuff all the time, how you gonna feel when their is no more TV in AC3 goes to show it was a horrible ability.

I do know how to counter it. It's called using an ability to disable your pursuer and then stunning them, since if they're trapped in a smoke bomb, they can't turn it into a contested kill.

If you can't be bothered to stun your pursuer, don't bother complaining about Templar Vision finding you out, because you're only restricting yourself with self-imposed rules and then it's you're fault that you're having a bad game experience.

[mockers00]

I do know how to counter it. It's called using an ability to disable your pursuer and then stunning them, since if they're trapped in a smoke bomb, they can't turn it into a contested kill.

If you can't be bothered to stun your pursuer, don't bother complaining about Templar Vision finding you out, because you're only restricting yourself with self-imposed rules and then it's you're fault that you're having a bad game experience.

I don't let it ruin my game, I deal with it obviously I play ACR* Multiplayer and I get decent scores....


My problem with it, its the only skill tat will literally just show you where the enemy is *he's right here alll his ability and work is revealed. It ruins the gameplay in a way and you can't say it doesn't gameplay would do better without, using natural things and abilites, tactics and mind games.

[pioneerprogres]

I don't let it ruin my game, I deal with it obviously I play AC3 Multiplayer and I get decent scores....


My problem with it, its the only skill tat will literally just show you where the enemy is *he's right here alll his ability and work is revealed. It ruins the gameplay in a way and you can't say it doesn't gameplay would do better without, using natural things and abilites, tactics and mind games.

just like any other ability, it has its downsides. A pursuer using it isn't likely to have escaped your notice anyhow, but even if they did, now they are revealed to the whole world. Everyone is ready and expecting him to strike. And that person has used one of their abilities just to get a look at who's who. The target(s) are likely to have one more available ability than him. It hasn't made the actual kill any easier. They aren't guaranteed anything, and if they're pursuing someone with a little skill, it's just as likely to go badly for them. It's one of those abilities typical of a weaker player (like the gun), and so you have to kind of just laugh at them that they've used up one of their ability slots and could've had something more useful.

[mockers00]

just like any other ability, it has its downsides. A pursuer using it isn't likely to have escaped your notice anyhow, but even if they did, now they are revealed to the whole world. Everyone is ready and expecting him to strike. And that person has used one of their abilities just to get a look at who's who. The target(s) are likely to have one more available ability than him. It hasn't made the actual kill any easier. They aren't guaranteed anything, and if they're pursuing someone with a little skill, it's just as likely to go badly for them. It's one of those abilities typical of a weaker player (like the gun), and so you have to kind of just laugh at them that they've used up one of their ability slots and could've had something more useful.

I understand but it's just a waste and I think ideally it does not fit in the game and I just hope it does not return in AC3, if anybody can confirm if it will or will not return in AC3 in one of the multiplayer vids would be awesome!

[FilipinoNinja67]

It's not cheating. It might seem cheap but it's not cheating. Kind of like OSB. You are probably just playing with terrible people that try to use it.

[SixKeys]

Templar Vision is one of the most useless abilities anyway, I hardly ever see anyone use it. It makes you stand out too much and is easy to counter. I don't really care even if it's back in AC3 but I'll only use it for challenges. Now Teleport, there's a stupid ability. It's completely unrealistic and only useful in Artifact Assault.

[FilipinoNinja67]

I agree with six keys except for one thing. Teleport is useful in AA, STA, C, and CC.

[mockers00]

Templar Vision is one of the most useless abilities anyway, I hardly ever see anyone use it. It makes you stand out too much and is easy to counter. I don't really care even if it's back in AC3 but I'll only use it for challenges. Now Teleport, there's a stupid ability. It's completely unrealistic and only useful in Artifact Assault.

Exactly my point, why even have TV in their then...

[r_o_s_]

Now Teleport, there's a stupid ability. It's completely unrealistic and only useful in Artifact Assault.

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[AwkwardlyBruta]

Templar Vision is one of the most useless abilities anyway, I hardly ever see anyone use it. It makes you stand out too much and is easy to counter. I don't really care even if it's back in AC3 but I'll only use it for challenges. Now Teleport, there's a stupid ability. It's completely unrealistic and only useful in Artifact Assault.

You should try using teleport in escort, I'm sure you'll find some uses when you're trying to kill the VIP......

[Collinwood01]

Petition denied!

[Matteo90Fi]

i never used Templar Vision... (perhaps 2-3 times at the begininng of ACB MP...)

it makes no difference for me...

[Pattington_Bear]

I'm sorry, this is just stupid...

[obliviondoll]

First off, you're all forgetting that it's meant to be spelt "Edward Vision". And with that out of the way, time for a wall of quotes:


I am not a noob, I know it;s the glowing person who is using it. It's a stupid reason for me to have to abond my hiding spot because somone just cheats and uses it. Plus people can use it super close and just kill you. Also people from long range that you cant notice use it and then use their gun.

It's stupid to have to move on or fight when your pursuer uses an ability to locate you? If they use it that close, they're also in range for an ability to counter them. If they use it at a distance then try to shoot, you have fair warning before they can start lining up the shot, AND the time it takes to aim. If you can't break line of sight, your hiding place wasn't as good as you thought, and they still gave up both ability slots for a single low-scoring kill.


No tv = no counter for morph.

This isn't correct, there are other counters to Morph, but...


TV is not a counter to morph, what kind of non-sense is that?

...that was even less correct, so I guess it balances the two of you out.


First off stunning is lame, because you know for fact if he is half decent it's going to end in a stupid contested kill so don't act you know how to counter the stupid thing,*which you can counter it but it's a ridiculously wasting feeling over such a dumb ability* Yeah and I am not the only one complaining about it. Just because they added it doesnt mean it's useful or balanced. Devolpers remove stuff all the time, how you gonna feel when their is no more TV in AC3 goes to show it was a horrible ability.

If it's such a dumb ability, why is it causing you problems? It does what it's meant to do, it's more balanced than Smoke Bomb, and unlike Animus Hacks and Teleport and Mute, it's supported by precedent within the single player. It's easy to counter with a wide variety of abilities, and even without abilities in many cases. And particular targeting of this part:


I am not the only one complaining about it.

In this thread so far, yeah you are...

[giaquinto718]

this thread is way to adorable for even my likes. Instead of hitting the reply button this is the part in the story where I pretend like I responded to this thread topic's stupidity & hit my sign out button instead xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo

[EscoBlades]

.....because someone just cheats and uses it.

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[CrazyShrapnel]

Templar vision is a crucial part of the AC series. Dino walking has taken a serious hit with the introduction of ACR due to the removal of sprint boost (No longer can we dino with both TV and sprint active). Not only that but the visual quality of dino walking has dropped immensely in comparison to ACB. Removing TV would strike another blow to the practice of dino walking and we CANNOT LET THAT HAPPEN.

Save TV. Save the dinos.

[persiateddy95]

Let's not forget that dino walking is now considered a high profile action.

Which is complete BS, because it's the stealthiest thing you can do this in game.

[FreakyChuckles]

The first 2 pages were full of fail, but the third is full of win. In my opinion FCs are better anyway. A little worse in AC:R but it's balanced by the fact that you can throw them.

[Calbitos]

Stunning is lame??? Come on... -____-

[mockers00]

Stunning is lame??? Come on... -____-

Stunning is lame in this game you can stfu about that.

[SixKeys]

Stunning is lame in this game you can stfu about that.

Stunning is how you're supposed to rack up points in the team modes especially. Good luck hiding in a blend group by yourself for 10 points every five seconds for the entire match while your teammates are running around stunning their pursuers popping 200+ points every chance they get.

[CerealAssassin]

When i saw this topic I was like.. Seriously?

If your getting killed by someone using TV your doing something wrong, if someones uses it infront of you go stun them. Oh wait you said stuns lame.. Ok so your next topic is stun to be removed.
I do actually use TV sometimes in Manhunt it is a very effective ability, if its a lobby of people using morph etc, nothing nooby/cheap getting a focus ignoc acro.

[Alcatraz1337]

Stunning is lame in this game you can stfu about that.
You are lame if you can't react to someone who is using TV...

[mockers00]

You are lame if you can't react to someone who is using TV...

LOL, read my post before you say something stupid.

I NEVER EVER SAID I CAN'T COUNTER OR REACT TO TV, LOL

I don't have a problem with people using it, I just don't agree it should be in the game sir.

[Alcatraz1337]

So you want it out of the game because it... takes no skill??
Trolololo smokebomb, hidden gun...

This ability is ****ing useless in most cases, barely anyone is using it.
No need to get rid of it because there will be another useless ability that will replace it.

[Drakuaza]

I agree....they should add sprint boost, it's not fair when people use Chase expert to catch up to me, I need to run faster than the wind to lose them. TV is useless and wont protect me from them, that's why I need Sprint boost to return.

[mockers00]

When i saw this topic I was like.. Seriously?

If your getting killed by someone using TV your doing something wrong, if someones uses it infront of you go stun them. Oh wait you said stuns lame.. Ok so your next topic is stun to be removed.
I do actually use TV sometimes in Manhunt it is a very effective ability, if its a lobby of people using morph etc, nothing nooby/cheap getting a focus ignoc acro.

Once again, I never said stun is useless, I said stuns are stupid, if I eleborate which I did in another thread and majority agreed stuns are overpowered, I don't think stun's shuld be removed at all, it fits the game and is the main key to it. Stun's are stupid for various reasons because it's so overpowered and alot of games it technically just becomes stuns vs kills, which stuns almost can compare to assinate, so it's like everyone is the predator no matter which side your on. Hiding should be more about hiding with the stun opition available in smart and logical situations, I dunno how to balance it but it can be annoying.

Btw, like I said I am not getting killed by TV, but it's a useless ability INDEED but one thing about TV that I was trying to point out is why should it mess up my hiding spot because of such a useless ability. I don't think I even get killed by people with TV unless they use it above me and I do not catch it but for the most part it's so gay because you know you have to move. Id rather a real skill like firecracker be used on me.

[WLP Adoniis3]

Actually Templar Vision is really useful for some players :

http://youtu.be/TbM-P2Zv8NU

http://youtu.be/mZbvzog89_M

[mockers00]

Actually Templar Vision is really useful for some players :

http://youtu.be/TbM-P2Zv8NU

http://youtu.be/mZbvzog89_M

Templar vision is not as useless as people think, specially from rooftops and haystacks, but I think it's rather dumb you can see who the people are. Templar vision need's a longer cooldown if it's going to make a return in ac3.

Also nice videos WLP, you really made people look stupid who said Templar Vision was useless, including me. Templar Vision from Rooftops and Haystacks can be useful but my problem with Templar Vision that it tells you excetly who they are. I know firecrackers in a way does that but it's alot diffrent.

[Drakuaza]

Templar vision is not as useless as people think, specially from rooftops and haystacks, but I think it's rather dumb you can see who the people are. Templar vision need's a longer cooldown if it's going to make a return in ac3.

Also nice videos WLP, you really made people look stupid who said Templar Vision was useless, including me. Templar Vision from Rooftops and Haystacks can be useful but my problem with Templar Vision that it tells you excetly who they are. I know firecrackers in a way does that but it's alot diffrent.

I don't need TV to tell exactly who they are. But in MH it has a purpose because you can't sit and wait to build your approach meter, specially with rabid team-mates.

[Nejjy]

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This thread...

[WLP Adoniis3]

I don't use Templar Vision.The few times I used Tv and Sprint boost was to troll on the Defensive round :p. I prefer other Offensive abilities like Knives/Smoke/poison/disguise/Firecrackers, I combine those abilities <<< .I don't need Tv for my play-style There's a lot of ways you can find the right target without having to use Tv or Fcs especially in Acb but it takes a little longer than using Tv (Sometimes) . In Fact, It doesn't really bother me When a player uses it,He/she is using an ability that I will not have to worry about after he/she uses it , it's not like I'm going to stay there and give that player free points,Templar Vision isn't preventing me from defending myself .Giaquinto718 uses Knives-TV ,that's his fav ability set for manhunt (you can see that on those videos ^^^) I bet you he knows every single tricks there is to find a target without having to use Tv. he uses Tv when "The tricks to find the right target" don't work or he isn't sure at that moment. For Gia it's a fast way to make sure and to not waste any seconds . To finally conclude this essay.lol . In my opinion Templar Vision shouldn't be remove from ACR or AC3. At the end of the day everyone is free to use whatever they want. What works for you may not work for me :)

[MrKnox122]

Really who care if someone use Templar Vision if they smart they stay out sight and use TV in Haystack around conors and etc. Smiple as that If you don;t ****ing boo ****ing who Close this ****ign thread is pointless

[WLP Adoniis3]

I would love if stuns in AC3 are like in ACB Challenging ,fun ,you feel proud when you stunned 4 pros " YEees on yourrr Faces .... " lol :o but In ACR all I say is Yay! :confused: (sarcastically). It doesn't really take a lot of skills to get stuns(ACR) huge stun prompt plus its long range . I'm aware that stun-lock was/is a glitch in ACB, ubisoft supposedly didn't know about it (stun lock) until they saw few videos. I'm glad they fixed that even though it's really fun when you and your 3 teammates keep stun locking the other team which takes skills to keep it going , it even takes more skills when few of the pursuers are using resistance, In my opinion is kinda cheap (yeah kill me fellow manhunt players lol) standing next to your pursuer waiting for him/her to get up and that player on the floor doesn't really have a chance to fight back unless he's using resistance(doesn't always work ),Ys out-(press y) then comes back , one of his/her teammates saves the day or he/she uses Offensive mute right before he gets up to stop them from stun locking , But then the player who Only used mute to stop the stun lock party he's cheap for using it :confused: . Now in ACR you have a chance to fight back , you get up but then get a contested kill ( reckless/discreet) but then if I also drop an Offensive smoke to not be contested by my target that's considered cheap too:mad: I don't have skills because I used an offensive smoke right there ?. I agree smoke bomb it's overpowered after the patch . Anyways not going to keep talking about that .not sure If ubisoft can make the stun range shorter but how would that work now that the kill/stun are merged together. if they keep the smoke bomb so overpowered (knocking you off walls/crates) you don't have to time it ,we should only be able to use one ability during/while in a kill-stun animation that way it takes more skills to use abilities (timing) .We need a good lock system just like the one We have in ACB (that one it's not perfect ) but at least you know that if you locked someone that's the only player you're going to intervene with , you're not going to get a ground finish when what you're really desiring to do is just get that player . I was thinking that they will probably bring back WALL RUNNER (best ACB PERK) maybe combined with the hook -start running the wall the begin using the fake hookblade . things like that I hope they fix . that's a long essay Adoniis they won't read !! lol jk

[protesticle]

Templar vision changes highlight priority to only human players so you are unable to kill civilians if you are mashing the kill button, remove this feature, keep the rest of it the same and fix your ****ing atrocious locking system.

[MrKnox122]

While at this Subject let buff it if you us TV it auto kills and Auto like charge that pro right -Drepping- .....

[protesticle]

While at this Subject let buff it if you us TV it auto kills and Auto like charge that pro right -Drepping- .....

Lol wut?

[YourInnate]

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[whattafool]

I use tv because I don't want to waste time working out who my target is. Tv is just the quickest way to LoS someone, so saying tv has no place in the game is the same as saying being able to specifically work out your target is cheating.

"OMFGH4X, HE USED AN ABILITY TO WORK OUT IT WAS ME AND KILLED ME INSTEAD OF JUST TAKING A GUESS.AT ANY NEARBY NPC." is not a valid argument for the removal of tv.

[mockers00]

I use tv because I don't want to waste time working out who my target is. Tv is just the quickest way to LoS someone, so saying tv has no place in the game is the same as saying being able to specifically work out your target is cheating.

"OMFGH4X, HE USED AN ABILITY TO WORK OUT IT WAS ME AND KILLED ME INSTEAD OF JUST TAKING A GUESS.AT ANY NEARBY NPC." is not a valid argument for the removal of tv.

Dude, I think your on my friends list.Unless you or myself deleted you but I am 100% sure I saw you. Also alot of people dubbed it as useless so it kind of contradicts what they are trying to say as in why keep a useless ability but anyway.. Also I do use Templar vision to sometimes *It's in the game* I still think it should be taken out, their are many other abilities and tactics that can reveal your targets. Firecrackers being the most obvious and tactics that will lure your targets and if you have mics and decent teammates you have a wide variety of stradgey to find out who is who.

[whattafool]

It's a useless ability when your targets are only using blender badly and are very spread out. When there are lots of crowds, morphs/decoys, or many nearby targets it becomes useful. It's also the only ability with the main aspect of revealing personas. FC makes NPCs crouch, but it does it quite slowly and ineffectively and its main focus is on blinding the players. Charge does it assuming you know the blend group the target is in, but the cooldown is too long for effective use in lobbies where target finding abilities are needed. Smoke push does it, but smoke does everything.

Really, the only useful counters to morph groups are fc and tv. Tv is the best counter to people who instantly run when they're spotted, and fc works better for those that stand still and throw smoke. Taking one away means I'm forced to use the other one, and from personal experience, fc leaves nearby NPCs still standing about 40% of the time. If I fc a morph group, I want all the NPCs to drop quickly, not staggered drops with one or two never even dropping...

I don't know, I cleared my friends list out the other week of people I never play with so you might've been.

[pioneerprogres]

It's a useless ability when your targets are only using blender badly and are very spread out. When there are lots of crowds, morphs/decoys, or many nearby targets it becomes useful. It's also the only ability with the main aspect of revealing personas. FC makes NPCs crouch, but it does it quite slowly and ineffectively and its main focus is on blinding the players. Charge does it assuming you know the blend group the target is in, but the cooldown is too long for effective use in lobbies where target finding abilities are needed. Smoke push does it, but smoke does everything.

Really, the only useful counters to morph groups are fc and tv. Tv is the best counter to people who instantly run when they're spotted, and fc works better for those that stand still and throw smoke. Taking one away means I'm forced to use the other one, and from personal experience, fc leaves nearby NPCs still standing about 40% of the time. If I fc a morph group, I want all the NPCs to drop quickly, not staggered drops with one or two never even dropping...

I don't know, I cleared my friends list out the other week of people I never play with so you might've been.

I prefer mute for morph groups. It not only reveals my target, it keeps them from being able to stun me for long enough to get into the group and get a hidden kill.

[mockers00]

It's a useless ability when your targets are only using blender badly and are very spread out. When there are lots of crowds, morphs/decoys, or many nearby targets it becomes useful. It's also the only ability with the main aspect of revealing personas. FC makes NPCs crouch, but it does it quite slowly and ineffectively and its main focus is on blinding the players. Charge does it assuming you know the blend group the target is in, but the cooldown is too long for effective use in lobbies where target finding abilities are needed. Smoke push does it, but smoke does everything.

Really, the only useful counters to morph groups are fc and tv. Tv is the best counter to people who instantly run when they're spotted, and fc works better for those that stand still and throw smoke. Taking one away means I'm forced to use the other one, and from personal experience, fc leaves nearby NPCs still standing about 40% of the time. If I fc a morph group, I want all the NPCs to drop quickly, not staggered drops with one or two never even dropping...

I don't know, I cleared my friends list out the other week of people I never play with so you might've been.

If they increase the cooldown for templar just a little, I may not mind letting it stay even though I despise it. From above and haystacks it is a useful ability so people are wrong for saying it's useless. Also quick question since you use templar vision. I have not used it in forever but with templar vision can you also see who is in haystacks or just groups? from my knowledge it's only groups? correct?

[mockers00]

I prefer mute for morph groups. It not only reveals my target, it keeps them from being able to stun me for long enough to get into the group and get a hidden kill.

Don't even get me started on mute lawl. xD, also once again it;s in the game so I do not hate you for using it or despise you for it. All power to you.

[pioneerprogres]

Don't even get me started on mute lawl. xD, also once again it;s in the game so I do not hate you for using it or despise you for it. All power to you.

As my not-so-eloquent friend once put it, different people, different strokes.

[whattafool]

If they increase the cooldown for templar just a little, I may not mind letting it stay even though I despise it. From above and haystacks it is a useful ability so people are wrong for saying it's useless. Also quick question since you use templar vision. I have not used it in forever but with templar vision can you also see who is in haystacks or just groups? from my knowledge it's only groups? correct?
I'm not here to argue semantics over how it's implemented, I'm just saying it deserves its place in the game. :P

Pretty certain it's only on groups. But I always dive in nearby haybales if there's a possibility that's where they are so I can't say for certain.

As for AC:R mute, just lol. Too quick to do anything against resistance, to short to be effective with lag, and they balance it out by making it more useful offensively. Seriously ubisoft, wtf are you doing?

[mockers00]

I'm not here to argue semantics over how it's implemented, I'm just saying it deserves its place in the game. :P

Pretty certain it's only on groups. But I always dive in nearby haybales if there's a possibility that's where they are so I can't say for certain.

As for AC:R mute, just lol. Too quick to do anything against resistance, to short to be effective with lag, and they balance it out by making it more useful offensively. Seriously ubisoft, wtf are you doing?

Well Obviously in Templar vision if you use it and do not see anybody your gonna think "He's in the haystacks" but if their is someone around with you maybe not, plus alot of people check haystacks anyway. Maybe it should stay idk.... Just ot a fan but I still use it time to time. As for mute I am not even going to comment. It's an odd ability to begin with. I am sure AC3 will be more balanced it's only their third crack at this, they should be full of knowledge by now. Other games like call of duty and etc have had many different cracks at it and seem to improve/add new features. AC MP is really different from any other multiplayer since AC is different then any other game and not to mention the twist AC MP has put in compared to single player.

[whattafool]

Imo mute was perfect in AC:B. It was fairly easy to avoid whilst being fairly effective to defend with. Your target was always able to flee before you could stun/kill them, and getting on a wall was an instant avoidance technique. It's long cooldown balanced out the fact that against newer players it's an instant stun/kill ability, and it was vital to breaking up stunlocks in alliance. It could just be because it's one of my favourite abilities, but I've never had any problems with mute being in the game.

[cjdavies]

Why not just get rid of them all instead!

They are not going to get rid of in ACR - it's done.



TV is not a counter to morph, what kind of non-sense is that? You can counter Morph with tons of crap, some just off the top of my head, You can counter Morph with Morph and with firecrackers. I know their is more to plus tactics not using abilities.

What is the difference with TV?

[whattafool]

What is the difference with TV?
TV is flawless.

[Citizen War]

I say that we need a petition to KEEP Templar Vision in AC3. So I am against this thread. I am vehemently - yeah I went there and used vehemently - opposed.

[Chaotic_Infinity]

You know he's serious when he brings out the big words.

[MrKnox122]

you keep talking about this....

[Anykeyer]

Im totally ok with how TV works. Its one of abilities that do not need any tweaking at all.

[pioneerprogres]

Im totally ok with how TV works. Its one of abilities that do not need any tweaking at all.

Agreed.
Anyone who says it isn't useful is kinda dumb.
Anyone who says it's overpowered is also kinda dumb. I personally love it when somebody (on the ground) uses TV because it means they're about to get stunned.

[Chachi McSwaqq]

TV is not a counter to morph, what kind of non-sense is that? You can counter Morph with tons of crap, some just off the top of my head, You can counter Morph with Morph and with firecrackers. I know their is more to plus tactics not using abilities.

Are you kidding me? Find me one person nooby enough to have faith in Morph that does not simply sprint in a random direction or panic smoke when firecrackers go off. There is no way in hell to get a good kill with FCs. Offensive Morph requires an offensive smoke because of the way your target can immediately drop smoke. You should not have to use both abilities to counter their one Morph, that would make Morph absurdly overpowered. No. Templar is the best counter to Morph by far and if it were removed Morph would become pathetically unbalanced.

[pioneerprogres]

Are you kidding me? Find me one person nooby enough to have faith in Morph that does not simply sprint in a random direction or panic smoke when firecrackers go off. There is no way in hell to get a good kill with FCs. Offensive Morph requires an offensive smoke because of the way your target can immediately drop smoke. You should not have to use both abilities to counter their one Morph, that would make Morph absurdly overpowered. No. Templar is the best counter to Morph by far and if it were removed Morph would become pathetically unbalanced.

I still maintain mute as best counter. Not only reveals your target but keeps them from dropping said smoke. With TV, they see you coming and are prepared for your arrival with their smoke bombs.

[obliviondoll]

Are you kidding me? Find me one person nooby enough to have faith in Morph that does not simply sprint in a random direction or panic smoke when firecrackers go off. There is no way in hell to get a good kill with FCs. Offensive Morph requires an offensive smoke because of the way your target can immediately drop smoke. You should not have to use both abilities to counter their one Morph, that would make Morph absurdly overpowered. No. Templar is the best counter to Morph by far and if it were removed Morph would become pathetically unbalanced.

As a skilled user of Morph, I take offense at the part in bold. As a skilled user of Firecrackers, I also take offense at the rest of your post.

Proper use of Firecrackers has earned me 500+ point kills fairly regularly.


I still maintain mute as best counter. Not only reveals your target but keeps them from dropping said smoke. With TV, they see you coming and are prepared for your arrival with their smoke bombs.

That may be true for ACR, but in ACB, Mute doesn't point out your target, so FC/Morph/Edward Vision are your best options. And Mute vs. someone with Resilience is practically useless except to identify them, at which point you may as well have used Edward Vision.

[UrbanSaint]

Why would people want to get rid of Templar Vision? :confused:
It's one of the better balanced abilities in the game imo. I barely use it but it's a good counter to morph. As are firecrackers, charge, and (to a degree) offensive morph

[pioneerprogres]

As a skilled user of Morph, I take offense at the part in bold. As a skilled user of Firecrackers, I also take offense at the rest of your post.

Proper use of Firecrackers has earned me 500+ point kills fairly regularly.



That may be true for ACR, but in ACB, Mute doesn't point out your target, so FC/Morph/Edward Vision are your best options. And Mute vs. someone with Resilience is practically useless except to identify them, at which point you may as well have used Edward Vision.

Ah, I hadn't taken ACB into account, because I wasn't much of a fan of it when I was playing ACB. Also, I agree that just because some noobs might use morph, doesn't mean it's a brainless ability. It's afforded me a lure + stun countless times. I don't use it as much anymore, but it's still in one of my ability sets ready to use, because it is very useful.

[MrKnox122]

Templar Vision should be like when AC3 comes out you can use the new ability Called Glimmer

http://images.4chan.org/wsg/src/1340750137203.gif

[PotsAnPansRobot]

really Templar vision, smoke bomb needs to removed. A game shouldn't remove control from the players that and its simply broken.

[HelterSeltzer]

Nope. Templar vision can be an excellent counter to that camouflage ability in AC3 (hopefully). Whoever says firecrackers are nooby, needs to take smoke bomb out of your inventory for at least 5 seconds. In ACR, it's awesome against those bodyguard/decoy users. In ACB, they are EXTREMELY effective. The vision doesn't bring problems to anyone tho. What did it ever do to you? lol

[HelterSeltzer]

plus, might as well complain about charge.