Returning Characters

[mateus99]

I am really interested in knowing what characters will return in the game.
we have grim and victor confirmed.
fryman and kobin seem to be dead (hope not)and i would really like the return of coen and redding they were great characters that the franchise did not really extend in many ways and i would really like if they returned in scb as advisors like in scct.

[Andre202]

Actually I would like to Coen back, I am not sure if she work with the new Sam though.

[mateus99]

i really liked coen. too she could be something like your extraction agent for the missions
We did not hear anything more about her other than a secondary mission from scct
So i think it would be great to see her return.

[Daedalus_89]

Coen's return would be welcome.
But I'd also like to see Ben Hansen return. He was a cool character. I wouldn't mind seeing him act as a sort of antithesis to Fisher, kind of like the way Alex Mahone rivaled Michael in Prisonbreak.
Does anybody know what the canon ending for Hisham Hamza was? I know you had the option to kill him, but you could also help him escape. I wonder if he'll make an appearance in Blacklist.

Edit: I also wouldn't mind seeing some friction between 4E and other agencies in the alphabet soup. Conflicting objectives and that sort of thing.
Would add a new dynamic, especially since 4E appears to be the president's favorite toy.

[sameer_monier]

I would like Coen back too.

[Daedalus_89]

Still curious about the fate of Hisham Hamza.
What was the canon ending for him?
Did he get killed by Fisher, or rescued?

[BoBwUzHeRe1138]

Well considering the only ending to DA that had "To Be Continued" was if...


A SWAT team then storms the compound, crashing in through the ceiling. If Sam saves the cruise ship, CIA Agent Hisham, and Lambert, or only two out of three with NSA trust above 33%, then he evades capture and escapes the compound, incapacitating a SWAT officer, and donning his stolen suit. In the unlocked bonus level, the NYPD pursues Fisher through New York, but he boards a stolen Coast Guard boat that Carson Moss is using to deliver the last bomb. Fisher kills Moss, disarms the bomb, and escapes the boat seconds before it is destroyed. This ending is the only one that ends with "To be continued..." -- taken from the Splinter Cell wiki regarding Double Agent's ending on the 360.

Then I say....Hisham is alive seeing as you can save 2 of the 3 with NSA trust above 33% and get the good ending and they confirmed Lambert was killed by Sam. Then again...you can complete the good ending by saving all 3 so then again maybe they don't give a sh*t about the canon and will decide whatever the hell they want to.

As far as I'm concerned they don't really care about the story....they could bring Wilkes back and say he didn't really die either. He was just relocated to a different assignment because they felt he was a liability. Also Lambert didn't really die either. Grim lied to Sam about Lambert's death because the JBA was actually a part of 3E the whole time. they just needed to get Sam back in the game. When Sam learns this he goes berserk before Vic, his daughter, Lambert, Wilkes, and Emile and Enrica come to comfort him. He then cries tears of joy over the realization that they are all his family. But then we see a shoe and a cough and someone go "having the reunion without me?" And Shetland walksin and Vic, shetland, and Sam all hug it out...the war buddies all together again. Oh yeah...Vic and Shetland knew each other btw. And shetland was rehabilitated and Sam is informed that they soon discovered that Megiddo had brainwashed him using psycho-sonic phyloptics to make him do their bidding. Sam asks how he didnt kill shetland or Lambert and Grim starts to tell him before they're conveniently attacked by the people with the Blacklist and then they rush into an osprey and fly away. They pick up Coen and Redding who are sipping tea with Grinko who was also under the influence of a then-new Megiddo as well. Grinko becomes apart of 4E and is the new "russian"-esque counterpart to Archer. who survived because Kobin didn't kill him. Kestrel also survived. He's back with Voron but he helps Archer and Grinko out by setting up a tactical EMP-nuke onsite of some bad guys...shhh...trust us...it's a real device. OH! And sarah becomes the first female Splinter Cell. Also Norman Soth never really died and is with hisham at the CIA. Also Nikoladze.

[Daedalus_89]

Well considering the only ending to DA that had "To Be Continued" was if...
-- taken from the Splinter Cell wiki regarding Double Agent's ending on the 360.

Then I say....Hisham is alive seeing as you can save 2 of the 3 with NSA trust above 33% and get the good ending and they confirmed Lambert was killed by Sam. Then again...you can complete the good ending by saving all 3 so then again maybe they don't give a sh*t about the canon and will decide whatever the hell they want to.

As far as I'm concerned they don't really care about the story....they could bring Wilkes back and say he didn't really die either. He was just relocated to a different assignment because they felt he was a liability. Also Lambert didn't really die either. Grim lied to Sam about Lambert's death because the JBA was actually a part of 3E the whole time. they just needed to get Sam back in the game. When Sam learns this he goes berserk before Vic, his daughter, Lambert, Wilkes, and Emile and Enrica come to comfort him. He then cries tears of joy over the realization that they are all his family. But then we see a shoe and a cough and someone go "having the reunion without me?" And Shetland walksin and Vic, shetland, and Sam all hug it out...the war buddies all together again. Oh yeah...Vic and Shetland knew each other btw. And shetland was rehabilitated and Sam is informed that they soon discovered that Megiddo had brainwashed him using psycho-sonic phyloptics to make him do their bidding. Sam asks how he didnt kill shetland or Lambert and Grim starts to tell him before they're conveniently attacked by the people with the Blacklist and then they rush into an osprey and fly away. They pick up Coen and Redding who are sipping tea with Grinko who was also under the influence of a then-new Megiddo as well. Grinko becomes apart of 4E and is the new "russian"-esque counterpart to Archer. who survived because Kobin didn't kill him. Kestrel also survived. He's back with Voron but he helps Archer and Grinko out by setting up a tactical EMP-nuke onsite of some bad guys...shhh...trust us...it's a real device. OH! And sarah becomes the first female Splinter Cell. Also Norman Soth never really died and is with hisham at the CIA. Also Nikoladze.

Made me think of that scene in Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang where Robert Downey Jr. pokes fun at those kind of contrived endings.
Another character ends up surviving a nasty situation, and RDJ's all like..."I know, I know. The main character survived...I mean ****. Why not bring them ALL back?"
Then a bunch of characters that died in the movie appear, and then Abraham Lincoln and Elvis show up.

[BoBwUzHeRe1138]

OMG Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is a masterpiece.

Also I really hope the devs don't take notes from what I wrote. ahhaha though after seeing Conviction...it seems like they may have had a 10 year old write the game for them and then they altered "BOMBZ" to "EMPz!!!" hahahaha

But honestly...I wouldn't have even been surprised if that had happened in SCC to be honest. Such rubbish. DA may have put the franchise in a tough position but it was still realistic and could easily have been written out of by a clever and creative person who understood realism was key.

[sam2000_290]

Did anyone forget Redding for those CT fans? :p lol Personally, I want Wilkes back but I know that's not gonna happen. I always wanted his death to be fake and he is in fact alive. :( Maybe Assistant Director Williams. Then again, when I think about it, the canon for SCC is on the next-gen. Williams is in the old-gen and for this he doesn't and has no story connection with SCC and Tom Reed. However, it would be nice to bring him back and maybe some other familiar faces. That's about it.

[Daedalus_89]

OMG Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is a masterpiece.


Bahahaha. SOOO glad to find another fan. It's one of those great movies that got missed, so I'll quote something from it and everyone will be like..."what?"
Always such a downer.

[BoBwUzHeRe1138]

"WHO TAUGHT YOU MATH?!"

And Wilkes will forever be the best. Redding was cool but not as cool, and Brunton was lame. Coen is okay. I mean Grim and Lambert are the best then Wilkes but still. It depresses me when I think there's literally only two games with the REAL Sam, Lambert, and Grim -- the first game and CT. DA only had Lambert, PT had different voices, and SCC only had Grim -- who wasn't really Grim. AT ALL. Did they ever even say her full name? I just remember hearing Grim the whole game as if they FORGOT her full name haha

[Daedalus_89]

"WHO TAUGHT YOU MATH?!"

And Wilkes will forever be the best. Redding was cool but not as cool, and Brunton was lame. Coen is okay. I mean Grim and Lambert are the best then Wilkes but still. It depresses me when I think there's literally only two games with the REAL Sam, Lambert, and Grim -- the first game and CT. DA only had Lambert, PT had different voices, and SCC only had Grim -- who wasn't really Grim. AT ALL. Did they ever even say her full name? I just remember hearing Grim the whole game as if they FORGOT her full name haha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHkSDJmSgqo

"...This is *** and New Yorker. You're in a lot of trouble." Ahahahaha. Easily the funniest movie I've ever seen.

I really enjoyed having a full support team. The dialogue that went back and forth between Sam and the rest during the missions added something to the whole experience.

[BoBwUzHeRe1138]

RDJ is amazing....and I'm not just saying that cause my name is also Robert. 8%?!

But yeah....I;m glad Grim will be our voice in our ear but I hope we have someone else. Preferably another guy so we can have the Grim/Redding feel. Alas...Sam is both Sam and Lambert in this game apparently. Sambert.

[coltcat]

As far as I'm concerned they don't really care about the story....they could bring Wilkes back and say he didn't really die either. He was just relocated to a different assignment because they felt he was a liability. Also Lambert didn't really die either. Grim lied to Sam about Lambert's death because the JBA was actually a part of 3E the whole.
It would be completely nonsense, and fits todays SC game perfectly bucez who needs logic.
if devs dont give a shtt about the sense story made, they should write Lambert back cuz thats what people like to have.
I dont care bring a dead guy back to life is absurd, writers already pull that trick off, at least bring back some one we really truly likes this time.


Hence why I say "Conviction was an attempt to write Splinter Cell out of the corner that Double Agent put it in".

IMO that corner has way easier to get out rather than giant shadow govt blown up white house plus a zombie daughter.
just pick the route of Lambert not getting shot, Sam escape, Lambert gets secure then wash up Sams charge with NSA tricks. everyone in 3E can remain unchanged.

[BoBwUzHeRe1138]

I agree Cat. That's exactly what my story is haha

[Jazz117Volkov]

I too would want to see Frances Coen again.
It was apparent in Chaos Theory that Sam and her were good friends, and they got along well throughout Pandora Tomorrow.
Though didn't she and Redding have the same job? I suppose that's no reason to not have both, but Coen felt more military while Redding was more librarian.

Maybe bring Kobin back... but only 'cause I'm a fan of Elias Toufexis.
I mean, without Elias, who the hell is Kobin?

And since Grim has (hopefully) retrieved that filing-cabinet from her hind quarters, it'll be (hopefully) nice to see her again too.

Archer and Kestrel are still high on my please return list.
I know it makes absolutely no sense, seen as how they're dead, but just as unlockable skins with the original voice work etc. would be enough.
Though, somehow I get the feeling that Voron is gone and forgotten. I'd say it's all 4th Echelon--which admittedly makes sense, but I still say wasted potential.
Time will tell. Viva la A&K

[BoBwUzHeRe1138]

My version of Conviction was Sam on the run from the government like 07 Conviction but rather than using social stealth entirely The gameplay would be like the 360 version of Double Agent.

No one in your ear, no one for backup, etc. Your opsat is no more, instead replaced with an untraceable "disposable" cell phone and the gear would've been no more. You'd have your trusty knife and your sc-20k in the trunk of your car that you'd pull out and use and your pistol would be back, complete with the OCP, as would your goggles. After thoroughly checking the equipment for tracking, he got rid of the traceable parts -- the opsat and subdermals. He'd then be on the trail for his daughter's killer somewhere in the world (I don't mind it being some drug lord or something who killed her. As you're trying to get revenge (gameplay would be pretty aggressive. Still classic but everyone would be a criminal in the first few missions.

Here...know what? Anyone mind if I post my version of SCC with mission locations and stuff on here?

[Daedalus_89]

My version of Conviction was Sam on the run from the government like 07 Conviction but rather than using social stealth entirely The gameplay would be like the 360 version of Double Agent.

No one in your ear, no one for backup, etc. Your opsat is no more, instead replaced with an untraceable "disposable" cell phone and the gear would've been no more. You'd have your trusty knife and your sc-20k in the trunk of your car that you'd pull out and use and your pistol would be back, complete with the OCP, as would your goggles. After thoroughly checking the equipment for tracking, he got rid of the traceable parts -- the opsat and subdermals. He'd then be on the trail for his daughter's killer somewhere in the world (I don't mind it being some drug lord or something who killed her. As you're trying to get revenge (gameplay would be pretty aggressive. Still classic but everyone would be a criminal in the first few missions.

Here...know what? Anyone mind if I post my version of SCC with mission locations and stuff on here?

Go for it, man.
But as a personal note, I'd love to see at least a little of that "social stealth" to flesh out the game more and give us some more realism.
My interest in Sam Fisher's tradecraft abilities grew when I read the beginning to Fallout.
He was hired to train some new people, in an urban setting. His job was to spot the spies in the city and evade them. I think they had to capture him or something, but they never succeeded :P
Anyway, it shows a different dynamic to Sam's abilities as a spy. I'd like to see it firsthand.

[coltcat]

Maybe bring Kobin back... but only 'cause I'm a fan of Elias Toufexis.
I mean, without Elias, who the hell is Kobin?
isnt some time ago theres a rumor of some thing that says Elias are doing voice work in SC6.
you know what, I like Kobin, a lot, more than any other Conviciton characters. becuz any one else either are nothing reminds player what they really are before due to the incompetent writing(icequeen? come on...) or new stock-form character thats been glue on to the game without any personality(Archer or Reed? pfff...)
Kobin is the only one who got real character, (more depth than Sam, Sam was just a Bourne clone)
Kobin had a interesting job too, hes a mob boss provides some downriver dirty works assist for NSA, or sometime cleaning up the scenes dumping bodies.
he had emotions, he can be cocky, rage, and most off time scaring of his life. you actually felt hes a greedy but believable guy looking for some lowend profit in a spy war. we need more character like this to color up the universe, not building every character into straight up Joe or cobras.

if you ask me, it would be great if Kobin comeback to SCB as a civilian contact, like give Sam a extraction lift or provide some weapons for a paycheck, in place that was too hot for government teams to step in by themself, he said he's been works for the agency many times tho, so these kinda development makes sense.

[Jazz117Volkov]

@ Coltcat
Hmm... fair points I suppose.
But I just can't imagine me paying much attention to Kobin without Elias' superb performance.
He made Kobin that memorable guy, as appose to, that guy who shot Kestrel.

But all I'm really getting at is, if Kobin came back without Elias, I'd be like, "meh..."
but with Elias, I'd be like, "shweeeet."

Also, good point about that rumor.

[BoBwUzHeRe1138]

The game would begin at the docks of New York just after the nuke’s detonation in the harbor. Sam’s opsat and subdermals are synced with the police frequency so he hears them freaking out and hears where they’re going. As Sam goes through the docks and warehouse without being spotted by the civilians he gets to a manhole and hops into the sewers. Fine down there, he runs into no one and has to get back to his car. He gets out of the sewers on the other side of the busy street (across from the harbor) and is in some alleys. The police are scouting the area looking for signs of Fisher since they chased him and saw him come through here. Sam interrogates an officer and learns that two officers found his car and were searching through it. When Sam arrives he finds the car being rummaged through and the guards find his equipment. KOing them (this is forced KOing…Sam can’t kill on this mission because he knows that it would make his innocence…not so innocent) he gets his gear and drives off.

The following cutscene shows Lambert being grabbed by the police before Williams stops them from freeing him. “Lambert? You’re coming with us.” Just so everyone knows…I don’t know what position Williams had in Essentials….is he the head of 3E? Either way….here he’s in charge of questioning the head of 3E as to the nature of his presence and Sam’s presence at the JBA HQ. It cuts to Sam driving to Victor Coste, long time war buddy, who sets him up with a fake ID and a plane ride out of the country.

At the airport, Sam finds officials looking for him and finds they have his picture – his ID won’t work. Coste calls him on the untraceable cell (untraceable btw in that the government can find his location but they’d have to KNOW it was his phone and they have no way of knowing that and thus wouldn’t be looking for it). Coste tells him he knows a guy who can get him onboard the plane but that he’d have to make his way to the contact. Sam tells Coste “Not to worry…I’ve made my way through LAX undetected before.” This mission involves Fisher getting to the contact (“George”) who helps smuggle him into the cargo of the plane. The next part of the mission has Sam sneaking out and having to get to his seat while undetected. He’s able to hop under the carts the waitresses have and a building sense of music will start when they’re about to look under. Eventually the player makes it to his seat for the flight out of the country.
The game shows another cutscene this time with Lambert being replaced as head of 3E by Williams after Williams’ report indicates that Lambert is unfit for the role any further. Later on, Coste calls Sam and basically goes “Look…I didn’t even know…I’m sorry about Sarah…” and Sam is like “Forget it, Vic” and Vic replies “Well…it’s hard for me to forget it when one of my guys…tells me it was some drug runner who’s less than the nicest guy around….” This of course gets Sam’s attention. Vic tells him the location – Malta. After landing in Italy and making his way to Malta, Sam decides to find out just who was behind his daughter’s death. Sam asks how he found out and Vic tells him he runs a private security firm and that one of the gigs his men did without even knowing was protect the guy who killed his daughter: Andriy Kobin. Coste tells Sam of one of Kobin’s men vacationing in Malta and who should know where Kobin is.
Sam stalks the streets of Valleta and finds an underground club where Gramkos is. Sam gets Gramkos and interrogates him in the bathroom, brutally. He finds out that Kobin bragged about killing Sam’s daughter after he hit her and that Kobin is probably well on his way to Paris to “live it up.”

Sam flies to France in order to find the ******bag who killed his daughter. Going into a fancy hotel, Sam sneaks through before overhearing some of Kobin’s men talking about something going down tonight. Sam interrogates one of them and discovers that Kobin isn’t vacationing and is there on business. After seeing Kobin’s men talking with who appears to be people from Britain, Sam finds Kobin meeting with an unknown British man and an American. Before Sam can get Kobin, the three of them walk off. Sam realizes that something bigger than Kobin is happening and then witnesses the Eiffel Tower going off. Panic sweeps and we see a French news broadcast of a blackout but that the authorities say “everything is under control.”

Sam returns to the states and finds Lambert where he learns that Lambert is no longer head of 3E and has been replaced by Williams. He informs Lambert of what he saw in Paris and says something needs to be done. Lambert, surprised that Sam still has his gear, tells Sam that they should meet with Grimsdottir before proceeding. She tells them that she can look into Andriy Kobin and find him for Sam. After hacking and triangulating his position, she finds him at a Russian Ski Resort. Sam goes to find Kobin.
Making his way through the mountains and resort, Sam finds Kobin and interrogates him as to who he’s working with. He finds out about how Kobin was a hired thug for a joint operation between Britain and another, unknown group to take multiple EMPs and use them to get what they wanted but that he (Kobin) had no idea what they intended to use them for. Sam can decide to let Kobin live or kill him. Letting him live results in Sam breaking his knee caps.

Back at Lambert’s house, Sam asks if he can clear his name and Lambert goes through the channels to clear Fisher’s name. Williams and the joint chief’s hear Sam and Lambert’s testimony and deliberate. Williams is the only one who, despite the evidence to the contrary, doesn’t want to let Sam off the hook. The new president, at first hesitant, pardons Sam after hearing of his involvement. Sam requests to be part of 3E again and Williams reluctantly pairs him with Grim. Sam informs Williams of what has happened and Williams has Sam sent to MI6 to discover what the operation in Paris was a part of.
At MI6 HQ, Sam finds the man who met with Kobin and the American and learns that they’re a part of Megiddo and that the EMPs that Kobin mentioned were hauled off to a militarized base in Egypt. Furthermore, he learns that a man named Jeremy Prentiss was the mastermind of the EMP gig.Before Sam can question him further, the British man is sniped from across the way, through the window and Sam ducks for cover. Grim gives Sam an exit strategy which involved a Hollywood jump out the window (similar to the Shanghai mission in DA). The Osprey takes off.
Sam arrives in Egypt wearing a variant of his gear from Kinshasha and heads through the crowds until he finds a military convoy there and sneaks into the camp by sneaking under the truck. After getting inside the base Sam discovers that a man by the name of Jeremy Prentiss had already arrived and escorted the EMPs out of Egypt, Interrogating the head of the base, Sam learns that Prentiss was dealing with someone else – he wasn’t the mastermind afterall.

Aboard the Osprey, Sam and Grim talk about Megiddo before Williams tells them to head for the USS ______ and that it’s been hijacked by terrorists. Sam is dropped off a little ways away and swims to the boat. Finding the terrorists he interrogates one guard but the guards chews a cyanide pill and kills himself before Sam can find anything out. Every guard will do this if interrogated.

You find the leader of the group is an American by the name of Prentiss. He tells you that he was assigned this op to personally rid Megiddo of Sam Fisher. Sam has a fight with Prentiss before Sam kills Prentiss and interrogates the man before he dies (Assassins Creed style haha). Prentiss tells Fisher that Williams hired him and his goons to run a clean up duty and tie up loose ends which included Sam. Grim is shocked at the revelation. Before Prentiss dies, Grim informs Sam that the EMPs that Kobin discussed were completely off the grid.

Sam gets back in the Osprey and returns to the states in order to infiltrate 3E HQ and take out Williams. The pilot is KOd by fisher, in case he was with Williams and he and Grim land far from the NSA. Sam arrives on-site of the NSA and sneaks in at night. He gets in and makes his way through the NSA offices before he makes his way down underground to where Third Echelon HQ is. Once inside, Grim informs him that Williams could listen in on them at any moment and that they must act casual. At one point Williams asks them where they currently were and Sam answers that they’re heading back to the states. This seems to be fine with Williams. Sam meets with one of Grim’s contacts in 3E, Agent Ben Hanson. Ben gives Sam the code to get into the inner offices – where Williams is.

When Sam confronts Williams, Williams surprises Sam with two Splinter Cells who drop down and grab Sam. Williams laughs at Sam and Grim’s futile attempt to stop him. He then tells someone to strike now and the EMPs go off in D.C. Williams heads off and Sam is hauled off. The two Splinter Cell agents with Sam lead him to a dumpster and are about to kill him before Sam turns around and beats the crap out of them. He then calls Grim and they take the Osprey and head to the White House where Sam heard Williams say he was heading. Another EMP is detonated after the initial strike, surprising Sam and Grim who plummet to the ground. She and Sam crawl out of the wreckage and finds Sam’s goggles destroyed, along with his SC-20k.

Sam goes through the crowds of terrified people who are being helped by the military. Sam once again uses distractions and crowd mechanics to get through the streets of DC before Sam reaches the White House. He bypasses mercenary-type enemies before infiltrating the White House. He gets to the vice President and overhears him and the Splinter Cells with him discussing his role once they make him the new president. Sam then realizes that the EMPs were distinctly designed as both a distraction and opportunity for Williams to kill the president and establish the Vice President as part of a coup. Sam who manages to kill both Splinter Cells, interrogates the VP and then shoots the VP in the knees (like in the real Conviction).

Sam takes the SC’s gear – an SC-30k and a pair of goggles – not his iconic tri-focal ones however. Getting to the Oval Office, Sam kills off the mercenaries and confronts Williams. After a physical fight, Sam interrogates Williams. He learns that Megiddo was trying to send a message… that no where is inherently safe, no one person above assassination from an outside force. Sam questions him as to what Megiddo is and without giving a straight answer, Williams says “I am Megiddo. Megiddo is everywhere…and Megiddo is coming and that not even Sam Fisher can stop it.” With that, Williams pulls a small gun from the sleeve and aims it at the president forcing Sam to stab him. The gun goes off and shoots the floor. Crisis averted. The game ends with the president shutting Third Echelon down and creating Fourth Echelon. To be headed by Lambert with Grim as technical support. She also says “Mr. Redding will provide other intel for 4E as well. And Sam…will you be the scalpel that Fourth Echelon needs?” Sam agrees and the credits roll. After the credits, there’s a cutscene with WNM and a special report by Morris Odell who discusses the blackout in Washington DC and the failed assassination attempt on the president which was thankfully averted by Rainbow Six.

New York Streets: This is a fairly classic SC mission. Think of the Penthouse mission from CT when you’re on the streets. That’s about the last half of the mission while the first half is at the docks/harbor and the two halves are connected by the sewer section.
Airport – Somewhere Over the Atlantic : This mission should feel very similar to the LAX mission from PT for the first half (obviously). The latter half is completely new to SC and requires Sam to make it to his seat without being detected and thought of as a terrorist.
Valetta, Malta: this mission incorporates numerous elements from the 07 Conviction that involves Sam sneaking through crowds. He has to use distractions as well as shadows to get to and into the club. Once inside, Sam again uses the crowd mechanic and distractions in order to get to Gramkos.
Paris Hotel: This is a fairly classic SC mission although the beginning is social stealth. You get the key to your room and all that jazz. Once in the upper levels of the hotel, you start to use the classic SC stuff (once you pull the goggles and equipment out of your bag in your room).
Russian Ski Resort: This mission is a snowy mission and involves Sam going through a main cabin and other offices at the ski resort to blend in. Once he reaches the perimeter of where Kobin’s men are he goes into the style of stealth present in the Rublev mission of DA for the 360 – line of sight stealth.
MI6 HQ: This is a straight classic Splinter Cell mission and is reminiscent of the CIA mission.
Egypt Militia Base: Again uses one half of the mission for social stealth and the other for a more classic approach albeit minus the goggles as Sam only has his aviators.
Navy Boat:This mission is similar to the boat mission in CT as well as the Oil Rig mission from the first game. The setting is like CT while the time of day and situation is more akin to SAR.
Third Echelon HQ: This mission is also a more traditional SC mission involving you infiltrating the base that was once welcome to you.
Washington DC: This last mission involves heavy social stealth and use of distractions before Sam gets to the White House where it becomes a bit more traditional.


Anyway...I feel like that has enough of the 07 "fugitive" build, Double Agent mission uniqueness, and the basic plot of SCC albeit done much more realistically. Maybe I'm wrong and this too is very unrealistic but this is a basic gist of what I think would've been far superior to the real SCC.

[coltcat]

@Jazz
yeah, Elias's performance are well memorable. I'll take him over that Eirc guy for a protagonist any day.
his voice is bit shaky in most interview you sees nowadays, like his has been swallow ethanol and nicotine for past few years, but its actually more believable for fitting a mid age character. (but that dosent say its anything good about swapping MI, the decision is still remain #1 failure of the franchise)

[Jazz117Volkov]

God dang!! that's a lot of words, lol
(good stuff though man, I enjoyed it)

Reminds me a little of a project I had running a while ago (on the Conviction [Console] forum)
I had a head full of stuff and figured getting it out was the best way to deal with it.

Check it out "Making the most complete Splinter Cell game" (http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/265890-Making-the-most-complete-Splinter-Cell-game-%28Update-August-23rd-2011%29-Forums)
My beautiful formatting is all screwed up since the forum upgraded (incompatible with the old code)

[BoBwUzHeRe1138]

Haha we had similar ideas...New York alleys...Egypt...Kobin...etc. Yours is so much better than mine I have to say. Mine is much more of straight forward SC game, which I don't think is bad and would be so much better than SCC imo, but yours gave character and touched on Sarah a lot more than mine. UGH. I think if we combined both versions of DA (somehow...if at all possible) and then mixed our storylines...it'd be great. I like the idea of implementing the various types of stealth, the more cinematic feel to the game (such as having a few days spent at the mansion undercover), etc. I'm not even sure if yours would benefit from mixing with mine but mine sure would. That was a fantastic read. Oh and the only reason I was talking about mixing stories was because I like the epicness of having dove into the water and killing Moss on a boat, detonating the nuke there and jumping off right before it explodes and then getting to the alleys. Plus my ski resort mission would be fun.

Anywayyyy I never saw that post (if I recall correctly) so great minds think alike haha

[CamberGreber]

As long as they got Victor I'm cool.

But I hope to god he stops with the whole SPEACHS on how BADASS SAM IS.

It makes it feel like a cheesy Steven Seagul movie.

[coltcat]

As long as they got Victor I'm cool.

But I hope to god he stops with the whole SPEACHS on how BADASS SAM IS.

It makes it feel like a cheesy Steven Seagul movie.
danm it, dont give devs ideas. they will add in a level took place on missouri as Sam the ex-seal stabs his way out........

see, thats what I was always thought about last game.
all the cheap cinematical finish in the story made it looks like a straight to DVD release Seagal movie.
when his daugther was on the line... one man... one obsession... Sam Fisher will go above the law

[Puppet627]

- Archer and Kestrel (I wonder why there's an image of them in one of the screenshots?)
- Ben Hansen and Maya Valentina
- Francis Coen and William Redding
- Agent One and Agent Two aka Bob and Steve
- Andriy Kobin
- Sarah Fisher (in an end scene resembling to the one in SAR :p)

[bluewolf042000]

I like Victor, he's a cool guy. He had a case of bad expository dialogue that's for sure, but now if he's part of my team....that would be awesome.

[Daedalus_89]

As long as they got Victor I'm cool.

But I hope to god he stops with the whole SPEACHS on how BADASS SAM IS.

It makes it feel like a cheesy Steven Seagul movie.

He DID seem like Sam Fisher's ultimate fanboy, didn't he?
But I think we'll find in Blacklist that Coste can be a badass in his own right.
As I've pointed out in another thread; Conviction was the first time we were in control of anyone other than Sam in a Splinter Cell game (other than Co-op/multiplayer), and he was essentially the game's narrator as well.

[sameer_monier]

Is everybody under the impression that the sniper on the roof, in the trailer is Victor Coste? I haven't seen too many (if any) posts about that.... It's certainly the same voice actor.

http://i45.tinypic.com/21dlowg.png

Same facial hair as the young Vic, in SCC. Isn't it?
I don't know, I mean in 6 months he went to the Gym and had a complete change :D ?!

[coltcat]

I don't know, I mean in 6 months he went to the Gym and had a complete change :D ?!
anything can happens when devs abandoned chonological logics, everyone's got younger in this. except for Anna, cuz she never gets old.
if devs dont want Sam gettin old, well fine in some sort of way, we dont actually point out timeline, we dont make Sam's face looks older.
but by actually making everyone younger again? c'mon. disbelief meter will goes through the roof. just keeping Sam in immortal 50yo and rolls with it will be a better idea.

[sameer_monier]

anything can happens when devs abandoned chonological logics, everyone's got younger in this. except for Anna, cuz she never gets old.
if devs dont want Sam gettin old, well fine in some sort of way, we dont actually point out timeline, we dont make Sam's face looks older.
but by actually making everyone younger again? c'mon. disbelief meter will goes through the roof. just keeping Sam in immortal 50yo and rolls with it will be a better idea.
I think it will be that way from now on, Sam will be immortal 50yo, he will probably return in SC7 too, I hope they bring at least Sam's Face model from SCC, since he looked good to me, and old at the same time.

well maybe it will be different around launch with polish ?!, but please leave Anna out of it, she is freakin HOT and should remain on FIRE LOL :D

[BoBwUzHeRe1138]

I would prefer immortal 50 year old Sam over all else. Not an age flip-flopping Sam, not an immortal 35yo Sam, nothing. Sam IS 50 and should always BE 50.

[Daedalus_89]

Look, guys. This whole "characters now look younger" thing is really starting to annoy me. This sort of thing happens whenever an actor moves on from a character. To me, Matt Damon IS Jason Bourne, but now we have Jeremy Renner stepping in... Despite the AGE thing, I still think it will be hard to accept Jeremy as JB..... But who am I to judge? Talent comes in all different forms. (Even though I like Renner better than Damon.)

You should all understand the reason they're doing this. It's not to spite the fans, or cause animosity..... It's to better the franchise, and make sure there's room for improvements into the future. Nothing is going to change, so you might as well accept it. Sorry for harping on the issue.... It's just getting really old.


Renner isn't playing Jason Bourne. He's playing an entirely new character altogether named Aaron Cross. Another agent that's been experimented on, with the same Black Ops group...Treadstone or one of those.
And actually, the way they've set it up looks awesome. I'm hoping they're gearing up for another trilogy with Jason Bourne making an appearance once they've properly introduced Aaron Cross.

[carlito0070]

Is everybody under the impression that the sniper on the roof, in the trailer is Victor Coste? I haven't seen too many (if any) posts about that.... It's certainly the same voice actor.

http://i45.tinypic.com/21dlowg.png

Same facial hair as the young Vic, in SCC. Isn't it?


i answered the question above in here. Since it's my post, please feel free to come and write anytime :D

Good day :D

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/681313-Where-s-Victor-Coste?p=8374332&viewfull=1#post8374332