Where's Victor Coste?

[carlito0070]

What happened to him after the final scene in Conviction? Will he come back for continuity of the story?

or Is he the one with the sniper rifle covering Sam in the announcement CGI trailer?

Well, at least he sounded and looked alike Vic...:D wish he will come back...

[Puppet627]

I think (or at least, I hope) that was Victor Coste with the sniper rifle...

But where's Kobin? Surely I'm not the only one who wants him back.

[The_5_Freedoms]

Would there be a reason for Kobin to come back?

[Puppet627]

Would there be a reason for Kobin to come back?
Not really but he was an original creation for Conviction so it's likely he'll come back.

Why? Didn't you like Kobin?

[The_5_Freedoms]

Not really but he was an original creation for Conviction so it's likely he'll come back.
That's rather odd reasoning, but okay.


Why? Didn't you like Kobin?
Not really.

[reddragonhrcro]

Would there be a reason for Kobin to come back?

To provide 4E with bodies.:rolleyes:

[Puppet627]

That's rather odd reasoning, but okay.

Blacklist is the sequel to Conviction, yes? What features and characters have we seen in Blacklist were created for Conviction? There's President Caldwell, Victor Coste, Mark and Execute, Sonar goggles, 'Press A for everything' etc. So why not Kobin? I'm not sure what his role would be though.

Didn't anyone else like Kobin?

[The_5_Freedoms]

To provide 4E with bodies.:rolleyes:
From the way Sam is killing people left and right, I would think that Kobin would be the one to dispose of them. :p


Blacklist is the sequel to Conviction, yes? What elements and characters have we seen in Blacklist were created for Conviction? There's President Caldwell, Victor Coste, Mark and execute, Sonar goggles, 'Press A for everything' etc. So why not Kobin? I'm not sure what his role would be though.
Again, that's rather odd reasoning.

Caldwell is President of the United States. It would be pretty hard to have a Splinter Cell game without the President of the United States. The previous president, David Bowers, appeared in FOUR Splinter Cell games.

Victor Coste is unconfirmed. Although a guy who sounded like him appeared in the trailer, Ubisoft haven't officially said anything about it.

Mark & Execute and Sonar Goggles are in Blacklist because they are gameplay mechanics for the redefined stealth-action that Conviction established.

Kobin was important to the story of Conviction, so important that he appeared in the E3 demo and trailers. From what we have heard of Blacklist, Kobin is not a part of its story and he hasn't appeared in any trailers (unlike the guy who sounds like Victor Coste). And there's a chance that Kobin may be dead.

When I asked "Would there be a reason to bring him [Kobin] back?" I was talking in terms of story, not in terms of liking a character in one game so much you want him to appear in another.

I guess Charlie Fryman is likely to be in Blacklist too, because:


he was an original creation for Conviction so it's likely he'll come back.

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[Puppet627]

I get your point.

I'm just hoping he'll come back... I doubt he's dead, he did survive two interrogations...

[The_5_Freedoms]

I get your point.

I'm just hoping he'll come back... I doubt he's dead, he did survive two interrogations...
The building he was in exploded.

[Puppet627]

So he died with Fryman, that receptionist and all the Splinter Cells, right?

I'll believe he's dead when it's confirmed or we don't see him in Blacklist.

[The_5_Freedoms]

So he died with Fryman, that receptionist and all the Splinter Cells, right?
If that's what you think, although Splinter Cells later appear at the White House.

I just find it hard to believe that he could have made it out of Third Echelon HQ before Sam Fisher did, after nearly being paralysed in one of Sam's brutal interrogations.


I'll believe he's dead when it's confirmed or we don't see him in Blacklist.
Okay.

[BoBwUzHeRe1138]

I thought Sam killed Coste on the roof of a bathhouse in Japan...
Oh wait. That was a different warbuddy. Shetland. I forgot that Conviction just liked to add whatever the heck it wanted to the story. TROLOLOL >:P

[The_5_Freedoms]

I thought Sam killed Coste on the roof of a bathhouse in Japan...
Oh wait. That was a different warbuddy. Shetland. I forgot that Conviction just liked to add whatever the heck it wanted to the story. TROLOLOL >:P
The similarities between the two characters and their relationships with Sam is rather jarring.

Did you know both were personally involved in rescue missions involving Sam? Essentials has a mission where you play as Sam rescuing Shetland (his commanding officer) from FARC guerrillas in Colombia in 1992 and Conviction has a mission where you play as Coste rescuing Sam (his commanding officer) from Republican Guard soldiers in Iraq in 1991.

[logik1911]

The building he was in exploded.

I'm pretty sure he died in that explosion. It would be odd if he were to be the ONLY survivor (Sam killed everyone on the way out)

Besides, he was in conviction because 3E used him for alot of off the books stuff. 3E and (all remnants of Tom Reed presumably) will have been shut down and decommissioned
at the start of Blacklist.

For the record I liked the character. He was the only one with a personality in the last game.

[CounterNinja]

Some Splinter Cells must have made it out if they appear at the white house right? Kobin could have escaped with the help of "Splinter Cells".

[The_5_Freedoms]

Some Splinter Cells must have made it out if they appear at the white house right? Kobin could have escaped with the help of "Splinter Cells".
Unless they were with Tom Reed.

[carlito0070]

I asked Max Beland if any characters from Conviction will make an appearance and if Blacklist is a direct sequel, that's what he said in his twitter account:

"Grim is back. If you look at our announce trailer, Coste is there. That’s all I can say for now. :) about 6 months after Conviction."

so it is going to be a direct sequel and Victor Coste is back!.. super excited for it now!..

and by referring to the ending of Conviction, maybe we will start the game with a rescue mission in the Black Arrow HQ?

Who knows, maybe we will see Sarah again... hoping her not to be kidnapped or DEAD this time... :D

[Daedalus_89]

We're obviously going to see Coste again. One doesn't need to look any further than the ending of Conviction, which obviously involved Sam storming the Black Arrow HQ, probably with his new 4E buddies.
I suspect that Sam rescuing Coste and then rescuing the very capable CIA agent in the trailer, is part of his recruitment process for 4E.
That's my theory, anyways.

[carlito0070]

I think the CIA agent Sam rescued in the trailer is Briggs...The trailer agent's voice is very much alike to the Briggs in the gameplay video...I mean you don't say "Welcome to Fourth Echelon" to a guy you just rescued anyway :D Its obvious that Sam is recruiting new agents.


The reason of my search on Coste's appearance in Blacklist is because of the attitude of the developers in E3 and their lack of sharing information about the story of the game and I get the impression that the game will not be a true sequel to Conviction. After hearing from Max, I'm relieved and glad that they stay loyal to the continuity of the story.


And also for me Victor Coste is an interesting character who should make a comeback after being a stand up war buddy for Sam... I mean he's the only person in the whole Splinter Cell universe that saved Sam Fisher after all (considering Sam as the legend) and IMO, the guy deserves a reputation from the fans... :D




And my upcoming next target question: Is Voron going to be in the SC:B?

Place your bets, please!.. :D

[Fraeulein]

Didn't anyone else like Kobin?

LOVED.

Like Elias as well.


I just find it hard to believe that he could have made it out of Third Echelon HQ before Sam Fisher did, after nearly being paralysed in one of Sam's brutal interrogations..

Actually I discovered that he could have made it out.
If you start that level where you have to get past the security shutter grille before they close - you can do it without killing any guard. The gates will close down - and they can be heard still looking for you after you have completed the whole server room level and are making your way back to the reception area where you need your goggles.
During your interaction with Kobin in 3E - do not chose the action that gets him stabbed in the chest with the flagpole. After you interrogate him - drop a sticky cam to watch him. He is still alive after you have gone through the laser grid hallway and the sticky cam gets fuzzy when you get to the steps that go up to the second level. But you can still make out that he is there.
If he had a passcard or whatever it was that got him into 3E and to Reeds office, most likely he could have crawled out to where the security shutter grille is, and make it out with the help of one of the guards. Or chat up the red head under the desk and maybe hook up.

[Daedalus_89]

I think the CIA agent Sam rescued in the trailer is Briggs...The trailer agent's voice is very much alike to the Briggs in the gameplay video...I mean you don't say "Welcome to Fourth Echelon" to a guy you just rescued anyway :D Its obvious that Sam is recruiting new agents.


The reason of my search on Coste's appearance in Blacklist is because of the attitude of the developers in E3 and their lack of sharing information about the story of the game and I get the impression that the game will not be a true sequel to Conviction. After hearing from Max, I'm relieved and glad that they stay loyal to the continuity of the story.


And also for me Victor Coste is an interesting character who should make a comeback after being a stand up war buddy for Sam... I mean he's the only person in the whole Splinter Cell universe that saved Sam Fisher after all (considering Sam as the legend) and IMO, the guy deserves a reputation from the fans... :D




And my upcoming next target question: Is Voron going to be in the SC:B?

Place your bets, please!.. :D

I hadn't realized FIsher had said "Welcome to Fourth Echelon." The CIA agent (possibly Briggs) had asked Fisher who he was, and I thought Sam had replied with something to the effect of "I'm with Fourth Echelon," so it's good to know that my little theory has been confirmed, as the CIA agent had seemed very capable and interesting. I would hope that he'll have a significant role in Blacklist.

Fair enough. We've heard quite a bit about the big changes they're making, but not much about the actual plot itself. Apparently this is going to be six months after the events of Conviction, which could mean that the first mission as a sort of prologue, will involve rescuing Coste from Black Arrow, and then the second mission would involve rescuing the maybe-Briggs, as Coste does appear in that mission.
Just speculation, but it seems to fall into place pretty naturally.

I'm really hoping to see Ben Hansen make an appearance. Perhaps as a kind of antithesis to Fisher himself. He seems more by-the-book than Fisher, so maybe he isn't aware of the presidentially-sanctioned 4E, and thinks Sam's just gone way off the reservation and starts pursuing him. Or even just let it be a friendly rivalry.
Either way, I hope Hansen shows up. He's an interesting character, and I like the dynamic between Fisher and him.

[Daedalus_89]

I think the story of Conviction should be ignored, when looking forward into the future of the franchise.

I have always said that Conviction was a way for Splinter Cell to get out of the corner Double Agent writers had written the series into. They did a wonderful job rejuvenating the Splinter Cell universe, and putting an end to the few things that DA left. Now that that stuff is out of the way, it's time to focus on the new, exciting things.

Although I don't completely agree with de-aging the characters - I recognize it as completely necessary for the franchise, at this point. I understand why that decision was made, and I am 100% sure it is not JUST because of the technology they wanted to use....

My question to you though; is if Conviction was a great way to write themselves out of the DA corner, then why do you feel that Conviction ought to be ignored?
It just seems a little contradictory to me; that's all, no offence intended.

[Andre202]

I think Sam and Vic will be the Coop chars.

[Andre202]

It's the only logical conclusion to that. If we have the HUB in the Paladin and you choose from there to go to a Coop mission who should do it other then Fourth Echelon? Voron doesn't know of Fourth Echelon and there are only a few who can really do the work of a field operative in Fourth Echelon. So Sam and Vic... Yeah I would like to see Voron back too and have some kind of spy like Kestrel, but this doesn't seem to be the case.

[Daedalus_89]

It was a generic, flat story, used only as a scapegoat to fix the issues DA made. Far from amazing writing - But it was effective (I guess). There were questions that needed to be answered, and they did it. Now, we can forget about those issues, and move on. Move on to what WE REALLY want.

To me, Conviction was a TEST. The same way Bad Company 1 and 2 were tests for Battlefield 3. Development steps along the way to greater glory. The story, just subjected filler.

Fair enough. Thanks for clarifying.
I suppose I agree that a reboot would be the most appropriate option, especially given that Sam Fisher has a new voice and a fresh face.
But it seems pretty clear that they aren't heading in that direction, since the lead character was referred to as "Sam" and "Fisher" several times throughout the trailer.
Ah well. Maybe the next game.

[Daedalus_89]

I just think it's too early to assume anything.. We don't know the fine details of what is actually going on with the story.

We've seen "SHADOWNET" still exists, so........ I'm hoping for a real throw-back to that.

We'll see!

I totally forgot about the SHADOWNET guys.
Maybe they'll do a co-op that intersects with Fisher's campaign missions.