Son of Sam

[SolidSage]

Okay, I know you're all gonna hate it but whatev, lets check it anyway.

How would you feel about the U.S special operations agency's somewhat unethical and illegal theft of Sam Fisher's DNA, that was used to create an Invitro version of Sam? Taken way back in the early days, so son of Sam would now be in his mid to late twenties. All buff, young, agile and virtually a spitting image of our Sam. All ready to bust chops long into the new century.

I know, it kind of dirties Sam's legacy I suppose, but we'd get to keep our boy, all gritty and dangerous but without the toxic history and relationships that old Sam is now plagued by.

I suppose it could have just been a regular son of Sam but he had a daughter and screwed the pooch on that angle. Nice one Sam.

[hastings84]

Lol.

[sameer_monier]

I suppose it could have just been a regular son of Sam but he had a daughter and screwed the pooch on that angle. Nice one Sam.

LOL

But TBH I don't think Sam would have let his son into the a life like his.

And sorry to say this but NO, I would rather have a new character.

[SolidSage]

Don't be sorry Sameer, I didn't even vote myself! I want to wait and see what the majority goes for and then jump on their wagon.Ha ha :) Honestly though, I'm not sure, I've seen it done in a very credible way before and loved it, but Sam's history is already so storied, one more twist would probably sink like a rock. And we did see a cool Sam'ish flavor with Kestrel.
You know, it's just hard to say goodbye, and SCC flashback Sam was just too cool. You know he's a Legend, and now the Legend is old and crusty..."it's all fudged up now, what I'ma do now....it's all fudged up now". Kanye says it best.

[hastings84]

I don't feel like that story would fit AT ALL within the Splinter Cell universe.

Unless there were terrorist forces that were using Sam's DNA to create a massive super army, like Storm Troopers, I don't see how it could work.

Trololololololol.

[newhenpal]

Um, wait, hold on, are...are you suggesting that human cloning be introduced to the Splinter Cell/Tom Clancy universe? :confused::nonchalance:

That's not a snarky rhetorical question either; I'm genuinely stumped here.

Anyway, if you mean a figurative clone...no. Take a series like Grand Theft Auto. Opinions vary on who of the multiple protaganists is the best--the 'face' of the series, but a new protaganist will (eventually) be welcomed as a worthy player avatar provided they are well written and, just as important, different. I doubt the franchise would be so well received if a Claude Speed facsimile was churned out for every iteration.

I actually believe that to have a good, smooth transition between protagonists, one must choose a main character isolated from the previous. To bring up the the GTA series again, going from Claude Speed from Liberty City (GTA III) to Tommy Vercetti from Vice City worked out very well because of this. For SC6, I think a new Voron agent would make for an interesting choice to play in a single-player campaign.

[sameer_monier]

Indeed Solid, very true, as far as characters and so on, I wouldn't mind this character being the main guy in SC7 even though he isn't in the SC universe. :D

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[reddragonhrcro]

Sounds like MGS to me LOL
No idea about this one.

[The_5_Freedoms]

Only if Sam walks away from the U.S. government and forms a PMC with its own nation; a military fortress in Africa that recruits war orphans and trains them to be soldiers so that they can be sent back into battle where they can die as warriors. But the U.S. government aren't happy about this and send his cloned son, Solid Sam, to kill him but Solid Sam doesn't know Sam is his father until he kills him and then finds out that the U.S. government is controlled by Megiddo...

Whoops, I got off topic. :p


I suppose it could have just been a regular son of Sam but he had a daughter and screwed the pooch on that angle. Nice one Sam.
If Sam heard you say that about Sarah he'd kill you five times before you hit the ground.

EDIT: Darn, I got beaten to the MGS reference.

[shobhit7777777]

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[Andre202]

I like the idea from newhenpal (http://forums.ubi.com/member.php/255999-newhenpal). I would like to see a Voron agent as the protagonist of series too. He may be an ex Voron agent who "changed" the job and got into 3E as a new Splinter Cell.

[sameer_monier]

^^ I wouldn't mind a Spin off game centering about Voron, Voron is one of the amazing things SCC Devs team introduced, and need to be explored more, and by spin offs I mean like ACB/ACR were to AC series.

Though TBH I don't think 3rd E would hire ex-Voron, that is like putting a spy in your building on your own well.

[kalle90]

Though TBH I don't think 3rd E would hire ex-Voron, that is like putting a spy in your building on your own well.

It's not like 3E lacks moles anyway.

On-topic: Hello MGS! Next we fight Psycho Mantis, there are crazy ninjas running around and mechs storm the streets. Complete with philosophical ranting and mind-games.

[SolidSage]

nice to see the overwhelming positive response for this one! :)

@New
Not sure, for part of it I was talking about a real clone, but then wavered and wondered about a new Sam created in the real way. Sam 'stuff' taken and used to impregnate 'some random woman' (real nice Sage) and then the Agency having rights to the kid and raising him in military Academy type dealys, building their preferred version of Sam. But of course, Samness wins thru.

You could do a REAL clone, DNA samples grown in a lab environment. I guess it's really doable now anyway since supposedly I can spend $20k to get my cat cloned. But I dunno.

@All
Hey yo, MGS didn't come up with the cloning thing you smack heads! I read a good story about it back in the late 80's in an English Comic called 2000AD. The specific story was about Judge Dredd (the Stallone movie did no justice to the epicness of Mega City and The Great Joe Dredd), who had passed the 50 milestone and was starting to have doubts and all that. Anyway, some fresh new young Street Judge was hogging all the limelight and looking to supersede Dredd as Mega City 1's main Law enforcement Hombre. Come to find out, Krakken (new young punk Judge) is nothing more than Dredd's clone (who was a clone himself of Fargo, the forefather of Justice).
Anyway, long story short, Krakken gets clued in and is all buggered up by it because they tampered with the DNA a bit to make him 'malleable' and in the end he sacrifices himself to save Dredd and Mega City (displaying his inherent uber Dredd'ness "I AM the LAW" in the process). Dredd goes on, albeit with a bit of respect for the usurper that he saw as "Illegal" and was making efforts towards removing from the picture anyway.
I think they solved the mid life crisis with one size smaller boots in the end. Apparently you spend so much time distracted by the discomfort that you completely forget about being old and past it.

[NightGhost1994]

As cool as it would be to play with Sam's son, I don't think that that will ever happend.
On the other side, I would like to see Sarah as an agent, maybe not playable, but she could be badass.

[SolidSage]

I think Voron and other Spy entities are a good option too.

It seems that Sam is just going to have to take the long walk at some point.......and fall into a well that is actually the fountain of youth and restores his awesomeness!

[hastings84]

Let's be honest here. Being a TRAINED soldier doesn't get imbedded in your DNA. Even if you WERE to clone Sam's DNA, and create an exact copy of the man - You'd still have to give him the same combat experiences and the same training that Sam had, to make him as good of an operative as he currently is. That would take years, and ultimately, I bet there are other men who already have combat experience, and who are also great candidates for a Splinter Cell-esque program.

My ancestors were well-established blacksmiths, for centuries, and that is a well documented fact within my family's history. That does not mean that every member of my family, and myself possess the ability to hand-craft amazing swords and tough tools. I mean, let's be logical about this, people.......

I do NOT want to see Sarah become some soldier - That is just ridiculous, and I believe any decent, well-established writer would understand why that is sooo silly.

For me, it comes down to Michael Ironside. I know he is going to move on eventually. When that happens, Sam Fisher should DIE with that move. Yes, I said it. Kill off Sam Fisher. I used to say Splinter Cell wouldn't be Splinter Cell without Sam, but I'm changing my mind. When, and if it comes down to it, make it epic. Like Arnold, in Terminator 2: Judgement Day. That epic, "I am going to basically commit suicide in order to save the world". Like Captain America, at the end of the film.

*Starting a new thread*

[reddragonhrcro]

For me, it comes down to Michael Ironside. I know he is going to move on eventually. When that happens, Sam Fisher should DIE with that move. Yes, I said it. Kill off Sam Fisher. I used to say Splinter Cell wouldn't be Splinter Cell without Sam, but I'm changing my mind. When, and if it comes down to it, make it epic. Like Arnold, in Terminator 2: Judgement Day. That epic, "I am going to basically commit suicide in order to save the world". Like Captain America, at the end of the film.

*Starting a new thread*

Now this sounds like MGS

[Andre202]

Death of protagonist (in this case Sam Fisher) --> Don't like it.

[sameer_monier]

Death of protagonist (in this case Sam Fisher) --> Don't like it.
+1, Same Here.

Sam Fisher is too good to die, retire on the other hand is more like it, As I said before, I would rather have him MIA, with a little hint that he actually survived, but retired and disappeared with Sarah.

& then a new Protagonist can rise from the Co-Op to be the star of SC7 SP.

[carlito0070]

Sorry, I just looked at the title and it occured to me. I haven't read any comments but...



...did you mean David Berkowitz?













































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[SolidSage]

@Hastings
Better idea, let's kill you off in epic T2 fashion and keep Sam! ;)
As for Son of Sam, of course you don't inherit skills, but you have a good chance of inheriting the potential or aptitude fir skillz. Then the Military Academy and ensuing Duty orders would fill in the rest. Like you said, there's probably loads of people that could do the job. A well trained Sam jr could be one of them.

At the end of the day though, you can't remake Sam, it's either gotta be Sam or it's gotta be someone else. The personality needs to be new too though, we can't just overlay a new character on the same gruff dark humored approach.
Plugging someone new into the role would be like a new King taking the Throne, and tarnish the legacy IMO. I think it might be better to replace Sam with several new characters instead of one, paying homage to Sam's legacy and making Splinter Cell the true heir.

[SolidSage]

^^ Who's David Berkowitz?

[hastings84]

I love Sam Fish more than any game character in existence, I'm just saying - if it ever came down to it - I would rather him die, than actually "retire". But let's hope it never comes to that. I would also have a hard time believing it's Sam Fisher, if it was someone other than Ironside voicing him. As weird as that may sound. Think about those EPIC screenplays where the main protagonist dies. They're more heroic than ever.

David Berkowitz's nickname is "Son of Sam". Serial killer. His devil-possessed dog told him to do bad things.

[SolidSage]

^ Oh that's right, I did watch a bit of that movie. Forgot all about it.

[Jazz117Volkov]

Well Sage, your thread is good for squeaks and giggles if nothing else.

On topic
Nope. No son of Sam for me... no daughter either.
Fisher needs to get back on track--the familiar, humorous bad@ss spy--or be taken out of the equation all together.

Truth be told, I've spent such a ridiculous amount time in D-Ops, playing as Archer and Kestrel that my mind has adopted them as the protagonists of SCC.
Fisher and his pathetically executed quest for revenge have all but faded into a bad memory.
When I think Sam Fisher, I think Chaos Theory.

In any case, when the time does come to see a new hero take the throne--which eventually I think it will--I won't care much.
As I said, the Sam Fisher I liked so much as a teen has been gone since Chaos Theory... what's that, like seven years or something?
Nowadays I would welcome a completely new protagonist, with a new support team, a new head of 3E etc.
Fisher could be like a respected name around the workplace, but a positive explanation of his fate should not be given. I think we all have our own ideas and wants for how he would go out, whether he'd retire or be KIA etc.
Probably best to leave it to individual interpretation.

In terms of what I would want from a new protagonist.
Would I want him to be like Sam... would I even want him to be a 'him' ??
Dunno... I think if he was too much like Fisher it would be awkward for long time fans. A new guy with a similar skill-set but completely different background would be cool. Initially I believe Fisher was set up to be a 'perfect agent' so to speak. He was a veteran soldier, smart, efficient, adaptable and didn't really have any outstanding problems. He even had a young daughter with a dead wife, just like all the classic cinema heroes from the 80s.

I would probably want a younger, and little less noble hero.
The sub story of him and his coworkers could be a subtle tale of rough beginnings, where there's a distinct line between personal and professional trust that they eventually have to all get on the right side of.
just my 2cents :)

[SolidSage]

^ Yeah you're right about pretty much all of it.
i did vote FOR it though, because, well, it's SC, it would have to be really atrocious for me not to be able to accept it.