NERF the MK16 !!!!

[Fu.B.aR]

Hi guys i'm not one to complain but MK16 is way to over powering it out shoots sniper rifles long range and out shouts most weapons mid and short range i found that even some shot guns dont have a chance against it but are most likely the only weapon that could maybe take the person out with the mk16.

[ztari]

I have heard many players ask for a shotgun nerf. My experience with the MK16 is similar to OP. It seems to work over long distance with deadly accuracy, in a close up confrontation it mostly seems to out shoot everything without you getting a shot off. If you unlocked this gun at the highest lvls it would be understandable, and this being a beta I guess it is possible that its position in the progression list could change. As for the shotgun... it does not seem to fire over obstacle, it always loses out to angles fire fights, whether its lower behind the obstacle or higher above. at first I thought i just aiming badly... but its more than that, it seems like the game doesnt recognize that a spreading shot at an angle and with a obstacle, is still gonna hit the target with at least some of the shot.

[cirem]

Have both of you fired the Mk16 ingame (aka FN SCAR 16S)? Nothing you said here about that rifle is true. With a medium-distance scope you can hit target far away, that's right. But you need 3-4 headshots to kill someone (when it's not a crit) and you have to use semi fire. On full auto and burst the reticule jumps like crazy (even if it has a recoil of 22, the MP5 with a recoil of 20 is steady as hell compared to that even on full auto!), so you can just shoot in bursts of 2-4 bullets. If you hold the mouse-but.ton down you will need a full magazin to kill an enemy even if he is right in front of you because of the spreading!

And the reason why every assault uses this gun is that the other rifles are waaay too expensive and in comparison they are just a little tiny bit better stats-wise.

Play with the Mk16 and you will see that everything what I've just said is true :)

[Fu.B.aR]

Well in that case you just rised another question are the ppl that are using them using aim bots because 10/10 times a mk16 wins the battle no matter what gun i have used

[cirem]

Well in that case you just rised another question are the ppl that are using them using aim bots because 10/10 times a mk16 wins the battle no matter what gun i have used

Maybe they just were ubar-skilled players? I lose A LOT of CQCs against shotguns (with my Mk16 SV) and when there's a cloaked recon behind me, there's no way at all I would survive that kind of encounter even though my K/Ds is at an average of 2.5.

[xXxDSMer]

I got my beta key and the server's been down ever since, so i cant say i know what a "Mk16" is.. but the name (could be a false name) implies to me that it's an assault rifle.. why would people want an assault rifle nerfed when there's shotguns running around? lol


AGAIN: i dont know what the Mk16 is for sure because i havent even been able to get past the login screen (the current downtime that's lasted days that's still going on as i type this)

[Big_Ghost_Daddy]

Mk 16 is a powerful assault rifle that is very accurate and strong on long distance (semi fire mode). It's basically a sniper assault rifle.
Shotguns work against it, but you only get one shot because the Mk 16 can just shoot about anyone with a couple of bullets.

I won't say it's heavily OP, but still a tiny bit (like the famous Pentagun => shotgun that's too accurate on mid range).

Big_Ghost_Daddy

[cirem]

I don't agree with anything you just said! ;)

[Sbrouwers]

Use the weapon before u say its OP.... becuase its NOT :)

[SiLeNCel2]

i think the reason why many players use the MK16 is that it's cheap, early available and gives you certain comfort when pinned down from long range (which happens quite often at first, but becomes less if you get more familiar with the maps)... but trust me... there are better rifles, at least for specific tasks. SAR-21 C / AR-21 C for example are crazy in CQC and even at long range, the MK16 is inferior to some rifles imho. also, the MK16 (SV) is nothing in the hands of bad player without a calm hand.

i got the MK16 SV but not using it anymore, because i don't lfeel like it's my task to snipe as an assault, because the handling and ROF sucks in CQC, because the accuracy sucks if you're not in prone or behind cover, and because it gets boring fast. it's a nice gun, but surely not good for everything.

people tend to call guns OP when they get killed by it frequently and at the moment, there are many MK16s on the battlefield... but just wait until more players get higher tier guns... :)

[Big_Ghost_Daddy]

Use the weapon before u say its OP.... becuase its NOT :)

I will soon.

I indeed have not used the weapon and as I said: It's not completely OP. It's just that I get killed a lot by them from quite the distance and even as assault I get finished off pretty quickly compared to other guns (so I believe the damage could be a tiny bit lower).

[SiLeNCel2]

I will soon.

I indeed have not used the weapon and as I said: It's not completely OP. It's just that I get killed a lot by them from quite the distance and even as assault I get finished off pretty quickly compared to other guns (so I believe the damage could be a tiny bit lower).

Well maybe try it out FIRST and then call it OP? And like I said, you get killed a lot by MK16 from range cause there are so many in use. What other assault rifles are commonly used? As-Val (crappy at long range) and M27 GI (starter gun, crappy in general).

[cirem]

Well maybe try it out FIRST and then call it OP? And like I said, you get killed a lot by MK16 from range cause there are so many in use. What other assault rifles are commonly used? As-Val (crappy at long range) and M27 GI (starter gun, crappy in general).
I switched from the Mk16 to the SAR-21 C today. And I can tell you it rapes the Mk16 in CQC! The Mk16 user will be dead before he can pop out 3 bullets :D It's kinda weak over medium distances though and totally useless for long range. But as a plus it's much more quiet! :D I like it so far and I think I will stick with it :)

[SiLeNCel2]

I switched from the Mk16 to the SAR-21 C today. And I can tell you it rapes the Mk16 in CQC! The Mk16 user will be dead before he can pop out 3 bullets :D It's kinda weak over medium distances though and totally useless for long range. But as a plus it's much more quiet! :D I like it so far and I think I will stick with it :)

Yep, brought mine to lvl8 yesterday, really nice gun if you like to rush. At the moment, i even play it more then my AR-21, cause it doesn't run out of ammo so fast due to magazine upgrade.
Another gun i can recommend ist the ACR, standard version, fully upgraded. Very good for moving shots and a very good allrounder. Looks inferior to the MK16 stats-wise, but I swear it's 10x easier to handle!

[TheUnrest]

Here is the thing...if you are a decent player...you're going to rape with the MK16 SV. It's dead center means you don't need to get close. Plus...for those saying you don't feel like being an assault sniper...well...how about running straight into the field with a bunch of pro snipers. You got no chance to live long without a gun like the MK16. It's not the BEST in close quaters...but I've torn up many players close up with it as well. If you are good with it from far away, you most likely will be good with it close up. No it's not the best weapon in the game... but I don't like going against it and I can always tell who's running around using one from the sound and rate of fire it has. I also know my headshot kills have gone up since I've gotten it prolly more than my sniper gun because it's scope wanders too much since I bought it not knowing you need a bipod.

[SiLeNCel2]

Here is the thing...if you are a decent player...you're going to rape with the MK16 SV. It's dead center means you don't need to get close. Plus...for those saying you don't feel like being an assault sniper...well...how about running straight into the field with a bunch of pro snipers. You got no chance to live long without a gun like the MK16.

If you take on a GROUP of pro snipers in their optimal range with an AR, no matter which one, you will die... even if you are equally skilled. Everything else is luck imho.
The smart way would be to wait for an aegis, use blitz or flank... teamwork and so on...

[Klaue_]

... or flank... teamwork and so on...

This should be your first consideration every time when its about facing multiple enemys with a clear advantage, either its direct firepoweer or dindirect stronger position.


Thats also the reason i dont get the whole debate about assault with "DMR".
You can handle everything in this game atm, some solutions are easy to find, some not and that is where "skill" starts to become important.

[Klaue_]

Ah and another one for everyone who complains about something is imba and got either no real useful solution to that or just crying out loud if there where no other options.

If you think something is imba, first try to understand why you think it is this way. Most of the time it realy is "imba" but you also got alot of ways to handle "imba" stuff.
Yes it takes effort and will make you a hard living sometimes but in the end will make you a better player that dont feel the need to cry like a little boy but to face things with facts. :)

Easy solution to Mk16 players. Now the best spots where they can sit on, prevent line of fire to that spots, get close and attack when they cant expect or handle your appearrance/action and crush them.
Preventing line of fire and bringing the enemy to a point where will fail for sure can be achieved in so many ways, just get creative. :)

[Big_Ghost_Daddy]

First of all, I would like to apologize to everyone I might have offended by calling the Mk16 OP.

I have tested the weapon (Mk16 SV with silencer) and I have noticed the following:

It's an easy to use and balanced weapon (in terms of bullet spread vs distance and reload time vs fire rate)
Semi fire is pretty accurate (but not sniper accurate) with steady hand
Does quite some damage per bullet for the price of the gun (in my opinion) -> but not enough to call it OP


So my answer on the question: is it OP?
I would say no. It's just an easy to use weapon which makes it seems like a overpowered weapon.

I will buy another, higher leveled gun later for comparison.