Here's a better exoskeleton for ENDWAR

[atacms]

Not only that, but it's one I've seen a model of upclose last year when I attended the AUSA (Assoc. of the US Army) conference in Washington. Anyway the exoskeleton is being developed by a company called Sarcos and they have plans for various models depending on the mission.

If you look at the model on the left it seems closest to what Endwar has, but the one on the right is the medium assault version and makes more sense as it offers better protection.

If UBISOFT devs want I can burn them a copy of a disc that they sent me. It's not classified so you guys wouldn't be getting illegal information.

ANyway here's the pic http://www.defense-update.com/images/ffw-exoskelton.jpg

[atacms]

Not only that, but it's one I've seen a model of upclose last year when I attended the AUSA (Assoc. of the US Army) conference in Washington. Anyway the exoskeleton is being developed by a company called Sarcos and they have plans for various models depending on the mission.

If you look at the model on the left it seems closest to what Endwar has, but the one on the right is the medium assault version and makes more sense as it offers better protection.

If UBISOFT devs want I can burn them a copy of a disc that they sent me. It's not classified so you guys wouldn't be getting illegal information.

ANyway here's the pic http://www.defense-update.com/images/ffw-exoskelton.jpg

[TW_Night_Fox]

This is the problem. They are probably already finished all the characters at this point in time. They release info too late so when someone finds something wrong then they don't have time to fix it. Blackfoot Studios is taking a cautious approach to this issue and it seems to be working really well. If Ubi would only learn.

[john_chi]

Well let's not forget that the trailer was just a movie not in-game, so there still could be a chance for the devs to refine the units.

[xxjusticarxx]

It could also be that in 202X the US can't afford to supply the JSF troops with the medium protection armor, just like how they can't afford to properly armor their soldiers in Iraq today.

[atacms]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xxjusticarxx:
It could also be that in 202X the US can't afford to supply the JSF troops with the medium protection armor, just like how they can't afford to properly armor their soldiers in Iraq today. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


It's never been an issue of money, that we have. It's always been one of priority and infantry have always tended to be at the bottom of the totem pole when it came to weapons and equipment. Part of it is the due to the big contracts get funded when they promise alot of jobs in Congressional districts and the generals get more hyped about the big ticket items.

However a war can always set your priorities straight as we've seen with the issue of the Humvees and body armor so I think if the US were on the brink of war, they WOULD realize that they should equip their infantry with the best that they could develop and produce.

[SkyRaptorRUS]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by atacms:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xxjusticarxx:
It could also be that in 202X the US can't afford to supply the JSF troops with the medium protection armor, just like how they can't afford to properly armor their soldiers in Iraq today. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


It's never been an issue of money, that we have. It's always been one of priority and infantry have always tended to be at the bottom of the totem pole when it came to weapons and equipment. Part of it is the due to the big contracts get funded when they promise alot of jobs in Congressional districts and the generals get more hyped about the big ticket items.

However a war can always set your priorities straight as we've seen with the issue of the Humvees and body armor so I think if the US were on the brink of war, they WOULD realize that they should equip their infantry with the best that they could develop and produce. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes....that would work against countries that don't have nuclear weapons. Smth tells me if there was a war (nor USA vs Russia for example) between countries that hawe nukes - they would be the main weapon in that war. And a lot of soldiers would die. And there wount be any exoskeletons to help them... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[atacms]

^^^^Yuou're probably right, I can think of India and Pakistan going nuclear pretty quickly.

Still for Western nations the idea of exoskeletons makes sense when you consider their infantry forces' size and the need to make each as effective and well protected as they can.

[PrinceCaspian5]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by atacms:
^^^^Yuou're probably right, I can think of India and Pakistan going nuclear pretty quickly.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree, if countries with only a few nukes go to war, they each know that their enemy doesn't have enough nukes to destroy them, so you don't have MAD (mutually assured destruction) keeping them from launching. I don't think that the US and Russia would intentionally start a nuclear war, because each knows that they won't survive.

[SkyRaptorRUS]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PrinceCaspian5:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by atacms:
^^^^Yuou're probably right, I can think of India and Pakistan going nuclear pretty quickly.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree, if countries with only a few nukes go to war, they each know that their enemy doesn't have enough nukes to destroy them, so you don't have MAD (mutually assured destruction) keeping them from launching. I don't think that the US and Russia would intentionally start a nuclear war, because each knows that they won't survive. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes...it's a fact - Russia and US are the only 2 countries in the world that would totally wipe each other out. And think about the rest of world - total 150000 would kill IMHO humanity. Not only Russia and US

[Bmer2020]

Well, atacms, it would be pretty dumb for India and Pakistan to go nuclear in a serious war.

I am from the region, so I am well acquainted with the conflict. There are two big reasons why they wouldn't go nuclear:

1) Population density: population wise, India and Pakistan are pretty packed, unlike the U.S and Russia, or most other countries of the world. Even a few low-yield nukes would wreak massive havoc, and loss of life unparalleled becaue of the high population density of the region. Both countries are well aware of that fact. In short, the "nuclear deterrence" factor has been increased exponentially.

2) Economic consideration: Considering the fact that the most important resource India and Pakistan have is manpower, engaging in nuclear war would be very detrimental to both their economies. India especially, is predicted by many to be the next possible superpower along with China, and one of the major reasons for the prediction is that they have almost unlimited manpower (which could be used to great effect if harnessed properly). I'm sure they don't want some petty war with Pakistan (which has now lost so much popularity and interest that you rarely even hear about tensions between the countries in the news) to escalate to such a stage that they are not only completely annihalated, but also lose their future hope.

[PrinceCaspian5]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bmer2020:
Well, atacms, it would be pretty dumb for India and Pakistan to go nuclear in a serious war.

1) Population density: population wise, India and Pakistan are pretty packed, unlike the U.S and Russia, or most other countries of the world. Even a few low-yield nukes would wreak massive havoc, and loss of life unparalleled becaue of the high population density of the region. Both countries are well aware of that fact. In short, the "nuclear deterrence" factor has been increased exponentially.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
First, it would be stupid for any country to go nuclear
Second huge loss of life is generally the point of a nuclear attack, also, the deterrent isn't more then that of Russia and the US, it is less, yes they could kill more with one bomb, but I don't think that with the 40-50 nukes each that India and Pakistan have could totally wipe out each other, while the thousands of nukes that the US and Russia each have could kill most of the people in the US (along with the rest of NATO) and most of the people in the USSR (and the rest of the Warsaw pact countries)

[Bmer2020]

Yeah, but the effect of these superweapons increases EXPONENTIALLY in high-density areas.

[atacms]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bmer2020:
Yeah, but the effect of these superweapons increases EXPONENTIALLY in high-density areas. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't mean to pick on you since you didn't lead the conversation away, but what do you think about the exoskelton?

[Bmer2020]

Atacms, I understand you're a military stickler (to some degree, I am too), but you have to understand, that game developers toe a thin line between satisfying the "everyday guy" and the "military stickler".

So, while the devs are probably trying to make a game that is realistic, they don't want to make one that's so realistic that it makes the game inaccessible for the masses (that's another niche genre entirely: realistic wargaming...I'm guessing you're probably already familiar with it).

That's why I feel that I doubt they are going to try and look at real world technology as closely as you're suggesting. I might well be wrong...and they might be looking for that...but that's what I can deduce right now.

Believe it or not, "coolness" sells more than "realism".

[atacms]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bmer2020:

...Believe it or not, "coolness" sells more than "realism". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif can't realism be cool too?

[snapkracklepop]

It seems to me that most Tom Clancy games start out realistic but then they want a wider fan base so they make it more of a run and gun game. I think realism can be cool look at the original ghost recon, Rainbowsix, and operation flashpoint.

[Bmer2020]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by atacms:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bmer2020:

...Believe it or not, "coolness" sells more than "realism". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif can't realism be cool too? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, realism takes thinking.

[PrinceCaspian5]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by atacms:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bmer2020:

...Believe it or not, "coolness" sells more than "realism". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif can't realism be cool too? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Realism can be cool, look at those "rods from god" you can't tell me that a big space gun like that isn't cool, I think that it should be realistic in the equipment they use, because them using real tech won't take away fun (as long as it's balanced), and it will make the people who want realism happy.

[snapkracklepop]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bmer2020:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by atacms:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bmer2020:

...Believe it or not, "coolness" sells more than "realism". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif can't realism be cool too? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, realism takes thinking. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> There are plenty of games that don't require thinking that you can play. Some of us don't want a mindless game thats just about how fast you can click a mouse or the A button as the case may be.

[Bmer2020]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by snapkracklepop:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bmer2020:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by atacms:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bmer2020:

...Believe it or not, "coolness" sells more than "realism". </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif can't realism be cool too? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, realism takes thinking. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> There are plenty of games that don't require thinking that you can play. Some of us don't want a mindless game thats just about how fast you can click a mouse or the A button as the case may be. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please note my sarcasm.

[snapkracklepop]

Oh I'm sorry it can be hard to tell on here. I've seen people say some stupid things.

[atacms]

Let's hope you can upgrade your exoskeleton in Endwar to have facial armor and upgrade the chaingun to the OCSW (M-307)http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/XM307-01.jpg/300px-XM307-01.jpg as shown in the pic that I showed in the beginning of this thread.http://www.defense-update.com/images/ffw-exoskelton.jpg

What do you guys think?

[elvenmonkey13]

What type of gun is the suit on the right holding? It looks like a wierd harpoon gun or flamethrower?

[atacms]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by elvenmonkey13:
What type of gun is the suit on the right holding? It looks like a wierd harpoon gun or flamethrower? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's the OCSW that I posted right next to it where two guys are firing it. It's a crew served weapon however since you have an exoskeleton, the defense contractor SARCOS is suggesting that the US Army would be able to have a single infantryman in an exo carry it with no hindrance to his mobility. Here you can read more on the M-307 http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m307.htm, it's an awesome weapon.

[elvenmonkey13]

Oh, I see the resemblence. Looks intense.

[atacms]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by elvenmonkey13:
Oh, I see the resemblence. Looks intense. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It can fire 20MM airbursting grenades so that if the enemy hides behind cover or a wall, hugging a corner, it will detonate at the point where the the US soldier lased the target, however it does not require it to be constantly lased.

Various grenades can be used to from:
thermobaric, non-lethal to the good ole fragmentation rounds. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

[PrinceCaspian5]

i might have it confused with something else, but can't that thing also fire 50 cal.?

[atacms]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PrinceCaspian5:
i might have it confused with something else, but can't that thing also fire 50 cal.? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, it can, but you'd have to switch the barrel although that's not too hard.

[PrinceCaspian5]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by atacms:
Yes, it can, but you'd have to switch the barrel although that's not too hard. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
i saw that on future weapons and they switched it out in under 2 minuets

[atacms]

Ok, granted for those in the know, this pic https://peosoldier.army.mil/images/swar/helmet_low2.jpg

is of the Air Warrior which is facial protection for helo pilots, but my point is that, there will hopefully be in Endwar the ability to fully protect troops in the face also.

I included this pic for those who HAVE NOT been up to date on military trends and technology and think that any face armor looks too futuristic or Star Warish. It's not, it's here TODAY and even more so in the 2020's.

And if helo pilots have this, shouldn't the grunt who has more chance of ballistic injury?

[AlphaDelta219]

facial protection is already used by helo crews. it will probably not exist for infantry until it can be made light enough and not restrictive to the soldiers field of view.

seeing how the FFW program is made with crye associates im assuming a product similar to this would be available by 2020. http://www.cryeassociates.com/09.html

[Mr.Hanky2005]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PrinceCaspian5:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by atacms:
Yes, it can, but you'd have to switch the barrel although that's not too hard. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
i saw that on future weapons and they switched it out in under 2 minuets </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

1min 43sec. I saw it on future weapons last night.

[atacms]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mr.Hanky2005:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PrinceCaspian5:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by atacms:
Yes, it can, but you'd have to switch the barrel although that's not too hard. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
i saw that on future weapons and they switched it out in under 2 minuets </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

1min 43sec. I saw it on future weapons last night. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hooah, that's what I'm talking about. We need more gamers who know their future weapon technology, especially in a game like ENDWAR!

So Mr. Hanky, what do you think about the SARCOS exoskeleton that I've posted?

[Mr.Hanky2005]

It looks nice. One thing is for sure, it probally provides more protection then interceptor armor. But lets not get started on that subject...

[PrinceCaspian5]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mr.Hanky2005:
1min 43sec. I saw it on future weapons last night. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
i saw the same episode

[atacms]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AlphaDelta219:
facial protection is already used by helo crews. it will probably not exist for infantry until it can be made light enough and not restrictive to the soldiers field of view.

seeing how the FFW program is made with crye associates im assuming a product similar to this would be available by 2020. http://www.cryeassociates.com/09.html </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Youre right excellent point, Crye Associates are closely linked with the FFW so it would be cool in ENDWAR if we can upgrade our troops to look like this
http://www.cryeassociates.com/images/futwar_a.jpg

[Da_Costa1982]

Hum seems this is where all the gun experts gather... Got a question, cause we haven't got those Weapons programs on Tv around here:

What has happened to that cloaking technologie that was invented/made public on TV a year ago? I heard that those scientif projects were naturaly and quiclky militarized in the minute. Will that cloaking tech be available as advanced camouflage in 2025? If so could anyone warn the developers? Anyone can answer me that?...

Thankx...

[atacms]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Da_Costa1982:
Hum seems this is where all the gun experts gather... Got a question, cause we haven't got those Weapons programs on Tv around here:

What has happened to that cloaking technologie that was invented/made public on TV a year ago? I heard that those scientif projects were naturaly and quiclky militarized in the minute. Will that cloaking tech be available as advanced camouflage in 2025? If so could anyone warn the developers? Anyone can answer me that?...

Thankx... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well supposedly the FFW (the image of which I posted above) is being worked on with MIT and the ISN (Institute for Soldier Nanotechnologies). The ISN was specifically formed by the US Army to develop advanced nanotechnologies specifically for the infantryman and with other wider applications. The nanosuit would have cloaking technologies. The best representation of the FFW or Future Force Warrior is the upcoming game, CRYSIS. Those guys did their homework by representing all the advantages that the FFW would have: increased strength, speed, ballistic protection and cloaking abilities. To get a true feel for what it can do, check out this trailer: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24071.html

The one misrepresentation I'd say they (Makers of Crysis) made was the nano-exosuit does not work by affecting the genetic makeup of the wearer rather it's all in the suit's abilities at the molecular level.

[KJ_White]

the yanks in this game will supposedly have cloaking tech as one of the upgrades.

[Da_Costa1982]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by atacms:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Da_Costa1982:
Hum seems this is where all the gun experts gather... Got a question, cause we haven't got those Weapons programs on Tv around here:

What has happened to that cloaking technologie that was invented/made public on TV a year ago? I heard that those scientif projects were naturaly and quiclky militarized in the minute. Will that cloaking tech be available as advanced camouflage in 2025? If so could anyone warn the developers? Anyone can answer me that?...

Thankx... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well supposedly the FFW (the image of which I posted above) is being worked on with MIT and the ISN (Institute for Soldier Nanotechnologies). The ISN was specifically formed by the US Army to develop advanced nanotechnologies specifically for the infantryman and with other wider applications. The nanosuit would have cloaking technologies. The best representation of the FFW or Future Force Warrior is the upcoming game, CRYSIS. Those guys did their homework by representing all the advantages that the FFW would have: increased strength, speed, ballistic protection and cloaking abilities. To get a true feel for what it can do, check out this trailer: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/24071.html

The one misrepresentation I'd say they (Makers of Crysis) made was the nano-exosuit does not work by affecting the genetic makeup of the wearer rather it's all in the suit's abilities at the molecular level. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Merda chalada" atacms, but none the less very cool. Seen the french Rennaissance movie? Cloaking tech is there too I advise you to rent it since it inspired Frank Miller. Once again that trailer is some stuff...

[atacms]

Ok DaCosta,

Two questions:
Merda chalada? What country uses that expression, I can't imagine Spain unless you left out a letter and it should be mierda?

And what is the full title of that French movie you're talking about?

[Da_Costa1982]

Try Portugal... yes that inestectical rectangle. (you speak that too in Brazil) but what the hell I long stoped even trying to make people aware of us...

http://www.renaissance-movie.com/

It's from Miramax movies. you may find it in english. I strongly advise it if you want a glance about Paris in the year 2054. (including the assassins with the cloaking device). It was a cult movie before it was released and as I said influenced the stectic of Sin City... The coolest about that movie is the futuristic Paris, very diferent architecture (weeeell I'm an architect...)

I may get you a copy in french cause I speak it (as well as spanish and english fluently thnks to the subtitled tv) but if you go to a decent video/dvd store it may be there in the french movies directory. Oh and the movie is all CGI, it sure is wacky thing that is why it took a whole lot of years to be made. And it is in black and white (???) yeap. Relax don't panic it's very much worth it. That is a merda chalada as well.. well at least for me... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

http://www.myspace.com/renaissancemovie - here have a trailer in english, ah and notice the cloacking stuff I was talking about. It's 100% sci-fi but you get the idea.

Peace and here smoking weed is just as legal as spiting in the floor... ah my dear little country... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[atacms]

I see some similarities here with the exoskeletal leg, I'm sure you guys will be able to see it too.



http://www.army.mil/-images/2007/01/07/1718/size1-army.mil-2007-01-08-093146.jpg

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/140/39208_20070521_screen011.jpg

Anyway, hopefully as I've mentioned before you can upgrade your unit so that it looks like this exoskeleton that Sarcos is building.


http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/140/39208_200..._screen011.jpg (http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/140/39208_20070521_screen011.jpg%5B/URL%5D)[/url]



http://www.army.mil/-images/2007/01/07/1718/

[rumsteak]

omfg, da costa "merda chalada"?? thats one of the worst expressions i ever heard xD you could have said..."merda pegada" or "tangas.." (que e como quem diz, mentiras) but..."merda chalada"?
atacms is right, no coutry uses that expression..

anyway, nanosuits are possible, but not now, and maybe not in the next 20 years, but they are possible (you're an architect, i'm scientist.. this is my kind of stuff http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif ) they already know how to use nanotubes to make incredibly strong materials, we can already make fibers that are very resistant, some research, a couple bilion euros and we could have a pair os nanosuits... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sleepzzz.gif

[Da_Costa1982]

Rumsteak: "old school" and the literal translation of what I said is crazy ****. But all this future science stuff is "merda chalada" or "merdas maradas" not meaning under no circustances that's it's bullsh*t (tangas).I rest my case. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Dude I know a thing or too about materials cause I use them everyday, yeah I know how they have evolved and what stuff is coming, and yeah there will be lots of stuff there in the future... Did you know that the orbital elevator concept is to be developed with nanotubes? (yeap read Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars Triology and you´ll get a good idea of the possibilities. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Now I what your help. Is it my impression or in the picture above there's a 50 year old cell phone in the floor (well it's just bizarre because most of that stuff doesn't last 5 years...). Take care and peace.

[KJ_White]

hey that looks like my last phone until i put it through the wash http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif anyways in when this game takes place the f-35 will still be going strong, as canada is only going to have its f-35's at full strength then and a number of other countries plan on having the f-35 then also even pakistan and turkey

[Da_Costa1982]

It's quite impressive how such an investment like a fighter airplane is well valued. Now back to the exoskeleton concept and mixing this with airplanes. Is it possible to launch exoskeleton paratroopers (fully equiped) by airplane? That would be a considerable plus, making the "exo-trooper" a powerful battle weapon...

[Mr.Hanky2005]

Hmm, a bit off-topic, but in that screen shot that atacms posted, what is the centered soldier's gun? I keep thinking it has some similarities to the SA-80, but I'm not sure.....

Oh, does anybody else spot the javelin in that picture? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

[KJ_White]

hehe yeah i see the jav 1st time i've noticed.

[atacms]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KJ_White:
hehe yeah i see the jav 1st time i've noticed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I posted a thread long ago about that missile launcher looking like a portable UAV helo launcher on his back. Lord Tenacious said it looked like he was carrying a chimney stack.
See here:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8911019745/m/7761086265

[KJ_White]

lol yeah, a month before i started checking the forums that was

[rumsteak]

sry da costa, that was too old school for me^^

that pic!! i love it, i had it for months and i thought it were someones drawing, but then i saw in small letters (wich does not appear on this post's picture) Tom Clancy's End War

well, a quick google search, and i found one of the games i'll be waiting forhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

and yep cute jav http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[atacms]

To those who think the exoskeleton is fictional and has no basis in reality

http://www.technologyreview.com/files/12942/exoskeleton_x220.jpg

Technolgy Review is a monthly magazine (also online) put out by the prestigious US science and engineering university, MIT.

Here's a link to a believe it or not non-motorized exoskelton that can carry 80 lbs.
http://www.technologyreview.com/Infotech/19433/

[KJ_White]

they wouldn't need need an exo skeleton if they just went to the gym http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Da_Costa1982]

HEHEHEH

yeah you're right but exoskeletons i believe are designed (the upper torso at least) to lift much higher weights than the human body can sustain! well at least that is where I got the concept idea from Aliens 2 movie...

But that pic is cool cant stop noticing just how little that back pack (probably containg the batteries) is. can't say for sure but it's impressive since it's very primitive yeat. Of course could be wrong. as the article said it's mil aplications are yet to be fully set to practice.

[atacms]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Da_Costa1982:
HEHEHEH

yeah you're right but exoskeletons i believe are designed (the upper torso at least) to lift much higher weights than the human body can sustain! well at least that is where I got the concept idea from Aliens 2 movie...

But that pic is cool cant stop noticing just how little that back pack (probably containg the batteries) is. can't say for sure but it's impressive since it's very primitive yeat. Of course could be wrong. as the article said it's mil aplications are yet to be fully set to practice. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're right Da_Costa, the original concept for Pittman, the first US attempt in the 80's for an exoskeleton spoke about having the strength for an infantryman to take down walls with his armored fist. Great for urban warfare! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

[muttbut]

http://www.defense-update.com/images/ffw-exoskelton.jpg
I'm gussing the heavier PS with the 25mm gun would be used as a form of shock troops, have a platoon of these guys in every Bat, usefull indeed for urban ops, I know for a fact if I saw guys running at me at 20KPH in one of these suits with a 25mm cannon, I'd feel the need to be somewhere else...fast

[atacms]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by muttbut:
http://www.defense-update.com/images/ffw-exoskelton.jpg
I'm gussing the heavier PS with the 25mm gun would be used as a form of shock troops, have a platoon of these guys in every Bat, usefull indeed for urban ops, I know for a fact if I saw guys running at me at 20KPH in one of these suits with a 25mm cannon, I'd feel the need to be somewhere else...fast </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

HELL YEAH, that's what I'm talking about. Put in some good theme music and you're ready to rock and roll!!

Pretty soon you would see the other guys doing this: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

[Da_Costa1982]

Now that I think about it YEAH. Just imagine the psicological impact of a guy "comin' out of the walls"?!?!!? Hell hope the Endwar guys put some exoskeletons now. That's a must have in my opinion!

[muttbut]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=109_1195663753

SARCOS exo skeleton...seems they are a bit further on then I imagined

[atacms]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by muttbut:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=109_1195663753

SARCOS exo skeleton...seems they are a bit further on then I imagined </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah you caught that, I was just going to post that very same link. Did you notice Muttbut the design of the enclosed exoskeleton. I've got a cd that the guys at Sarcos sent to me when I went to the AUSA conference where they had their exhibition. The cd showed the heavier version in action. I'm hoping that Ubisoft uses the Sarcos models as upgrades to the ones we've seen in the trailer because what's the point of an exosuit if it JUST helps you carry more weight and you don't have any extra protection.

[snapkracklepop]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by atacms:
what's the point of an exosuit if it JUST helps you carry more weight and you don't have any extra protection. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> For one you can carry more ammo and supplies. Plus you can carry more body armor.

[atacms]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by snapkracklepop:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by atacms:
what's the point of an exosuit if it JUST helps you carry more weight and you don't have any extra protection. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> For one you can carry more ammo and supplies. Plus you can carry more body armor. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, you're right I totally agree, I was being slightly sarcastic but sometimes it's kind of hard to express in written form.

[KJ_White]

well all i can say is i wouldn't want to be the one getting the **** kicked out of me by a dude in an exo.

[LordTenacious]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KJ_White:
well all i can say is i wouldn't want to be the one getting the **** kicked out of me by a dude in an exo. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fun fact: If you stick a man with an exo on into a boiling pot of water, he is nothing more than a lobster.

In fact, he would be quite tasty with some butter.

[snapkracklepop]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by atacms:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by snapkracklepop:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by atacms:
what's the point of an exosuit if it JUST helps you carry more weight and you don't have any extra protection. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> For one you can carry more ammo and supplies. Plus you can carry more body armor. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> They need to come up with a better way of displaying intent over the web.

No, you're right I totally agree, I was being slightly sarcastic but sometimes it's kind of hard to express in written form. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[KJ_White]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LordTenacious:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KJ_White:
well all i can say is i wouldn't want to be the one getting the **** kicked out of me by a dude in an exo. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fun fact: If you stick a man with an exo on into a boiling pot of water, he is nothing more than a lobster.

In fact, he would be quite tasty with some butter. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol!

[Da_Costa1982]

The "Bangkok" kick (and boot) HAS TO HURT!!! LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

[TaSniper]

Another bump. Here is some great tech info, as always, from Atacms.

[xStratOcasterXx]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by atacms:
Not only that, but it's one I've seen a model of upclose last year when I attended the AUSA (Assoc. of the US Army) conference in Washington. Anyway the exoskeleton is being developed by a company called Sarcos and they have plans for various models depending on the mission.

If you look at the model on the left it seems closest to what Endwar has, but the one on the right is the medium assault version and makes more sense as it offers better protection.

If UBISOFT devs want I can burn them a copy of a disc that they sent me. It's not classified so you guys wouldn't be getting illegal information.

ANyway here's the pic http://www.defense-update.com/images/ffw-exoskelton.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I like it better than that last one on the old thread it was huge!! Nice research as always!

[xStratOcasterXx]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by snapkracklepop:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by atacms:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by snapkracklepop:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by atacms:
what's the point of an exosuit if it JUST helps you carry more weight and you don't have any extra protection. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> For one you can carry more ammo and supplies. Plus you can carry more body armor. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> They need to come up with a better way of displaying intent over the web.

No, you're right I totally agree, I was being slightly sarcastic but sometimes it's kind of hard to express in written form. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Use http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

[dmans13]

The one on the left looks like the graw combat exoskeletons, and I like it better than the ones the JSF have in EndWar because they have that huge microphone for the earpiece in front of their mouth. Also the one on the right is powered by nanotechnology, and that is said to be scheduled for introduction in or before 2032 which means it wouldn't be in EndWar. Both exoskeletons look pretty sweet.

[AlphaDelta219]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dmans13:
The one on the left looks like the graw combat exoskeletons, and I like it better than the ones the JSF have in EndWar because they have that huge microphone for the earpiece in front of their mouth. Also the one on the right is powered by nanotechnology, and that is said to be scheduled for introduction in or before 2032 which means it wouldn't be in EndWar. Both exoskeletons look pretty sweet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

exoskeletons arent actually used in GRAW. but the armor set up is similar.

[atacms]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AlphaDelta219:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dmans13:
The one on the left looks like the graw combat exoskeletons, and I like it better than the ones the JSF have in EndWar because they have that huge microphone for the earpiece in front of their mouth. Also the one on the right is powered by nanotechnology, and that is said to be scheduled for introduction in or before 2032 which means it wouldn't be in EndWar. Both exoskeletons look pretty sweet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

exoskeletons arent actually used in GRAW. but the armor set up is similar. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with AlphaDelta.

Also Dmans, the exo on the right is NOT powered by nanotech. You're confusing the Sarcos project with the work that MIT and Institute for Soldier Nanotechnologies is working on. Two different approaches to the exoskeleton.

[British_Beef094]

The russians look mean. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

[The_Real_Azrael]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I agree with AlphaDelta.

Also Dmans, the exo on the right is NOT powered by nanotech. You're confusing the Sarcos project with the work that MIT and Institute for Soldier Nanotechnologies is working on. Two different approaches to the exoskeleton. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Once Nano-tech becomes efficient and reasonably priced it should completely blow away the SARCOS suit. Imagine special forces going across enemy lines in Crysis-like suits..... things could get quite crazy.

[codbrooks1989]

before i want an exo suit id love to actually get some dragon skin armor.

but most units over here now are getting the shoulder and thigh pads like in graw

[dmans13]

My apologies the helmet on soldier on right had a helmet similar to the ones that the nano suit have. I forgot that the soldiers in Graw didn't use exoskeletons that they just had armor with advanced systems attached to them. Thank you for pointing out my mistake.

[codbrooks1989]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dmans13:
My apologies the helmet on soldier on right had a helmet similar to the ones that the nano suit have. I forgot that the soldiers in Graw didn't use exoskeletons that they just had armor with advanced systems attached to them. Thank you for pointing out my mistake. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah the graw soldiers have the advanced version of the new armor system im using(or i will be using when our commander PUTS IN THE DAMN REQUEST FOR IT). but they advanced tech they are using is a advanced version of the system called land warrior.

[g1bblets]

Ha thats pretty sicky sicky Nar Nar

[WALancer]

Anyone else thought of using the SARCOS suit for other things rather than direct combat? For instance it could be used to carry the 150 lbs .50 cal M2, and all the ammo. Instead of having it take three people to get it to a spot it need to be.

But also i have to say just putting layers of Dragon skin around the user and the suit and giving the guy a M60 to go walking around like the terminator would be bat **** crazy. Also it would scare the hell out of the enemy to see maybe a squad of guys just running at them and not being killed by their small arms fire.

[T33_SACK_007]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PrinceCaspian5:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by atacms:
^^^^Yuou're probably right, I can think of India and Pakistan going nuclear pretty quickly.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I agree, if countries with only a few nukes go to war, they each know that their enemy doesn't have enough nukes to destroy them, so you don't have MAD (mutually assured destruction) keeping them from launching. I don't think that the US and Russia would intentionally start a nuclear war, because each knows that they won't survive. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kind of like why the US is doing everything possible to stay out of war with Iran and North Korea. ANd thats also why we are trying to befriend Russia, when u got a good military ally on the other side of the world, u might as well be safe.

[baseball2k27]

Well thats http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gifbut i was watching and theres a new future marine suit like this that was on future weapons

[T33_SACK_007]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WALancer:
Anyone else thought of using the SARCOS suit for other things rather than direct combat? For instance it could be used to carry the 150 lbs .50 cal M2, and all the ammo. Instead of having it take three people to get it to a spot it need to be.

But also i have to say just putting layers of Dragon skin around the user and the suit and giving the guy a M60 to go walking around like the terminator would be bat **** crazy. Also it would scare the hell out of the enemy to see maybe a squad of guys just running at them and not being killed by their small arms fire. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It would also be good if the SARCOS suit could be used to give the soldiers super-endurance, like running 20 MPH accross the battlefield for prolonged periods of time. Or jumping 5-10 feet up the air to avoid enemy fire or jump over obstacles. You know, super ninja armors!!! Or, as modern science calls it, EXO-Muscle Tissue!!!

[baseball2k27]

maybe as an upgrade u get after a while