Planning on Preordering, DRM worries.

[Raven6z]

I am planning to preorder either the physical Collector's Edition or the Digital Deluxe.

However, I am a bit worried about the DRM. I will NOT buy the physical disc if I am forced to have the disc in my computer whenever I want to play.

Also, will the physical disc be shipped so I have it at launch?

With the Digital Deluxe I'm worried about install limits or download limits.

Can someone please clarify what kind of DRM you will be using so I can give you my money? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Raven6z]

I am planning to preorder either the physical Collector's Edition or the Digital Deluxe.

However, I am a bit worried about the DRM. I will NOT buy the physical disc if I am forced to have the disc in my computer whenever I want to play.

Also, will the physical disc be shipped so I have it at launch?

With the Digital Deluxe I'm worried about install limits or download limits.

Can someone please clarify what kind of DRM you will be using so I can give you my money? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[dchalfont]

Same here. I reeeeeeeeeeeeally want to pre-order but not if there will be DRM and until someone can tell me with absolute certainty that there is no drm...I won't be able to.

I recently had to cancel my Dragon Age 2 pre-order because I assumed it would have no DRM as the first game didn't...I was wrong.

[Nxss]

I have the same concern, however, Ubi recently released a game without the always on DRM and just had the one time connect to the internet DRM. I would not think that there would be a need for that crappy always on DRM as H6 does have hotseat. Of course they did use it on Assassains creed. I will be giving Ubi the benefit of the doubt though and will be ordering the one or three of the collectors editions today. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[C_h_u_c_k_l_e_s]

I know this is going to end up opening up a can of worms but....what exactly is the problem with DRM? This is "Digital Rights Management", correct? I'm assuming it's basically another form of copy protection, but it just requires an internet connection. Correct me if I'm wrong here. But here's my big question...why don't people want to play a game where they have to install the disc into the disc drive? I simply don't get it. What is the big deal of having to put the disc in the drive in order to play it? I guess it's maybe because I'm from the old school when you had to push the cartridge into the Atari 2600 that I just automatically assume I need to insert the software into my computer to play it. But I'd seriously love for someone to explain to me why they don't want the disc in the computer to play?

From Ubi's standpoint, allowing someone to install the game completely onto the computer and run it without the disc leaves them vulnerable to somebody installing it on their own machine, their friends machines, their relatives machines, etc...and only purchase 1 copy. Sure, it's great for that person...but it's crappy for the gaming company. Through the years, I've heard reasons for disliking copy protection range from the "I dislike it on principle" to the "it's too much effort and work to take the disc out and put it back in over and over again" to the "my discs get scratched up over time and then I can't play them". Well, maybe I've just been ridiculously lucky over the years, but I've never had a game scratched up to the point where I can't play it. And I don't buy a lot of games...I simply play and play and play and REplay the same ones over and over again. Still playable. I've never seen or had a disc explode in my disc drive before (yes, I've heard THAT one too). I don't use my discs as drink coasters, so maybe that's why they last so long. Maybe it's because I take care of them properly. I don't know. But I've yet to see somebody come up with a reason that makes some moderate amount of sense to INSIST on playing their game without the disc in the drive. The most obvious reason being it's easier to pirate the software that way....but I'd hate to point fingers. So please...somebody enlighten me because I'm clueless on this front.

(and no, I'm not trying to be a smart*** or anything and I'm not trying to belittle anybody...I'm seriously looking for a reasonable answer)

(and no, I don't work for Ubisoft. I'm a fan and a gamer just like you guys. Just probably older.....depressingly older) :O)

[Kartabon]

Answering to DRM issues, I have to say I dislike DRM a lot... I don't have that problem 'cause I'm constantly connected to the Internet but it's not the same for the whole world and the rest of the people. Also there's the problem of "Servers Down" oh my god, I can't cnnect!

And we have to be realistic, we have to be sincere. Which game hasn't been (sadly... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I'm a computer science student and I see the effort that's put in doing a program, whatever it is) cracked nowadays? Even DRM games has been. The only frontier that's really hard to crack is Online Multiplayer gaming. Why? 'Cause you must have a unique Serial Number to activate your account. That's where the companies must put their efforts IMHO nowadays.

And that's why I understand people hating DRM. I personally don't like having to connect to some servers to play locally. What if I don't have Internet that day 'cause I'm having problems with my router? Or what if their servers are down? I can't play, the one who has honestly paid for the game.

These are my 2 cents on this issue http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Xenofex_086]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I know this is going to end up opening up a can of worms but....what exactly is the problem with DRM? This is "Digital Rights Management", correct? I'm assuming it's basically another form of copy protection, but it just requires an internet connection. Correct me if I'm wrong here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>There are many forms of DRM and when it comes to the games they range from simple CD/DVD protection to a requirement for constant connection to Internet. The latter is incredibly intrusive and most people rightfully hate it. There are softer forms like connecting once to some server to "authenticate" the copy of the game when/after you install it or connecting to the same place every time you load it. The problem here is that most people might want to play the game on computers which have no Internet access or just can't go on-line in general for whatever reason. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">From Ubi's standpoint, allowing someone to install the game completely onto the computer and run it without the disc leaves them vulnerable to somebody installing it on their own machine, their friends machines, their relatives machines, etc...and only purchase 1 copy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Here comes Nero Burning ROM and its relatives, which are perfectly legal as far as I know. Even if they aren't... well, tough luck, Ubisoft can't control the copying of the CD/DVD after it is purchased from the store.
But I doubt that people are ranting because they can't install the game and play it without the CD/DVD. The on-line part is far more worrisome.

[Nxss]

Chuckles,

I don't have a problem with keeping the disc in the drive. Tis not a big deal to me as I have kept the H5 disc in my drive for years to play. I have a problem with the DRM that requires the need to be connected to the net to play single player, hot seat, or whatever. I don't think most people have a problem with the disc in the drive to play, it is just the constant connection to the net to play a part of the game that does has no need for it. Hell, even LAN games don't require a net connection. So, there should be no reason for it.

I do understand Ubi's need to protect the game and that is fine. I just don't want to be screwed over for paying for the game when we all know that the pirating ****** bags that cause this, do not have to deal with it.

I could go on and on, but I won't. I will be buying the CE when it is up. I just want to play the game without hassle is all and I think that is all everyone else wants as well. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Raven6z]

I honestly don't care about always on internet protection.

However, despise having to find the DVD every time I want to play or that horrendous Maximum Installations protection.

I regularly reinstall Windows and change hardware so I would use up my installs in the first year.

If there only is the Always on Internet protection I'm fine with that but I want to know BEFORE I buy it.

The best thing would be if it just uses Steam protection since that is the best platform right now.

[Infiltrator-SF]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xenofex_086:
There are many forms of DRM and when it comes to the games they range from simple CD/DVD protection to a requirement for constant connection to Internet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not only that I'm afraid. Some of them can screw up your DVD drive, for example, this was the case with Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, for example.

As for DRM. I'll never buy a game that requires a constant internet connection to play. Optional connection to upload achievements and whatnot is well and fine, but a game pausing just because my internet went down = dealbreaker.

Hope Ubisoft learned its lesson by now. Games are gonna get pirated either way so in the end you're just hurting the legitimate customer.

[C_h_u_c_k_l_e_s]

Okay, if the worry is the forcing of having an internet connection in order to play...I see that point and it's obviously a problem (this isn't the case with other forms of Copy Protection). If this is indeed the case, they need to make it PERFECTLY clear on the box. I appreciate the clarification. However, from what I do know, they haven't really said one way or the other if they're even using DRM. If I hear anything, I'll make sure to pass it along here.

[Pankratz1980]

I really hope that Ubisoft use the same DRM as Assassin's Creed Brotherhood - Online Services Platform and UPlay, but with one-time internet activation.

If they're going to use Steamworks, then SALE=LOST. I just found out that Cliffs of Dover will have it and I'm furious. I do not like being forced to use a third party client like Steam.

[Infiltrator-SF]

Well, steam doesn't force you to have internet running. I've lost connection plenty of times and still kept playing steam games without a problem.

[Nxss]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pankratz1980:
I really hope that Ubisoft use the same DRM as Assassin's Creed Brotherhood - Online Services Platform and UPlay, but with one-time internet activation.

If they're going to use Steamworks, then SALE=LOST. I just found out that Cliffs of Dover will have it and I'm furious. I do not like being forced to use a third party client like Steam. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with you Pank. I have a deep hate for steam. Installing third party software just to play a game really sucks! However, there has been no hint that H6 will require steam, which is great.

All I want is the CE version back on the store so I can go buy it. If it turns out that it will require steam, canceling the pre-order is easy enough.

I really don't want to though as I love the Heroes series. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Thunion]

I dont get what point is of all those "Anti-Pirate Defense mechanics" If anyway as far as i know every game popular enought still gets pirated :O.

[Infiltrator-SF]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thunion:
I dont get what point is of all those "Anti-Pirate Defense mechanics" If anyway as far as i know every game popular enought still gets pirated :O. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Every game gets pirated period. Popularity is no factor. DRM has proven time and again to be laughable as far as cracking comes.

[znork]

Well chuck after all this year and no wiserhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

For me there are to main problems withe drm. The first is political you buy a legit produckt and the gaming company adds all this exstra softwhere on youre computer and trying to hide behinde an eula. They are like the guests you invite to sleep in a bed room but demands do have survilance in youre whole house. So just as a principel i disagree withe the ide of a drm.

My second complaints about drms is that they have not worked. And they have given the legit players more problems then the pirates. So i just think its stupid to punish youre legit clients.

When that is said i dont belive ubi will forget the fans opostion to the last heros drm. And the huge prolbmes they have had withe their own drm. Ubi has invited the fans down on two diffrant ocations and the isues has been raised withe them.

So when that is all said im hoping for a sensibel soultion from ubi. Im realy hoping that ubi will be resnobel and a smart soultion wiche gives its legit custemors a good experiance.

[Nxss]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Infiltrator-SF:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thunion:
I dont get what point is of all those "Anti-Pirate Defense mechanics" If anyway as far as i know every game popular enought still gets pirated :O. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Every game gets pirated period. Popularity is no factor. DRM has proven time and again to be laughable as far as cracking comes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We all know this! For the most part, DRM is only bad for the people that buy the game. Again though, there has been no mention of DRM. Sure, Ubi has been known for some crappy DRM, but we can't condemn them for it til it is announced! Correct?

I will be happy when they get the CE version back online. Hint hint!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Thunion]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">We all know this! For the most part, DRM is only bad for the people that buy the game. Again though, there has been no mention of DRM. Sure, Ubi has been known for some crappy DRM, but we can't condemn them for it til it is announced! Correct? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
"Wish for the best,be ready for the worst"

[Pankratz1980]

Ok, some GREAT news!
Ubisoft will NOT use Steamworks, what a relief. The game has no "3rd party client download required" on Direct2Drive. Also, Stardock's Impulse has it for pre-order - Stardock are know for not carrying Steamworks titles due to the mandatory Steam storefront install.

http://www.impulsedriven.com/heroes6

Whichever DRM Ubisoft use now, it's 100% acceptable for me. Steamworks is the only one I am against.

[Infiltrator-SF]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pankratz1980:
Ok, some GREAT news!
Ubisoft will NOT use Steamworks, what a relief. The game has no "3rd party client download required" on Direct2Drive. Also, Stardock's Impulse has it for pre-order - Stardock are know for not carrying Steamworks titles due to the mandatory Steam storefront install.

http://www.impulsedriven.com/heroes6

Whichever DRM Ubisoft use now, it's 100% acceptable for me. Steamworks is the only one I am against. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

See this is the kind of response that makes the suits at Ubi think how constant internet connection check is a good idea.

[Pankratz1980]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Infiltrator-SF:
See this is the kind of response that makes the suits at Ubi think how constant internet connection check is a good idea. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nah, even AC:Brotherhood won't have always-online copy protection. If Heroes VI follows that trend, we shouldn't worry.
What my post actually makes is help "the suits" understand that not everyone is fond of mandatory Steam integration and that DRMs should be vendor neutral, so that any game can be sold everywhere.
I honestly find Steam the worst, the most annoying DRM. One time activation is fine. Steam's "you won't install unless you have Steam updated and are logged in" is too much.

[NachoAdept]

I used to dislike steam however I find it easy to deal with and prefer it if no physical copy is available.

[TarponCrest]

I do not like the idea of having to be connected to the internet to play the game. I HATE! ONLINE only games. I like the choice.

I purchased some games like this and every time I had no internet connection I could not play the game that really made me hate the game. (even-though I liked it otherwise.)

All games should have single player multiplayer hot seat and any other option available so that one can choose to play as they wish.

I sure hope the game stays the way it has all the way to Heroes 5.

[Infiltrator-SF]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pankratz1980:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Infiltrator-SF:
See this is the kind of response that makes the suits at Ubi think how constant internet connection check is a good idea. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nah, even AC:Brotherhood won't have always-online copy protection. If Heroes VI follows that trend, we shouldn't worry.
What my post actually makes is help "the suits" understand that not everyone is fond of mandatory Steam integration and that DRMs should be vendor neutral, so that any game can be sold everywhere.
I honestly find Steam the worst, the most annoying DRM. One time activation is fine. Steam's "you won't install unless you have Steam updated and are logged in" is too much. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The thing is Ubi had a lot of games that used the system of permanent online check. True the latest AC didn't. But the fact remains they had the bright idea thanks to posts like yours.

[Pankratz1980]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Infiltrator-SF:
The thing is Ubi had a lot of games that used the system of permanent online check. True the latest AC didn't. But the fact remains they had the bright idea thanks to posts like yours. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can't be serious. Blame me for deforestation, World War I&II, Iron Curtain too while you're at it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Ubisoft aren't stupid, they don't make their decisions based on forum posts, they're interested in statistics. Always online models are extremely piracy proof, hence they opted for one of their own.

[Mew178]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pankratz1980:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Infiltrator-SF:
The thing is Ubi had a lot of games that used the system of permanent online check. True the latest AC didn't. But the fact remains they had the bright idea thanks to posts like yours. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can't be serious. Blame me for deforestation, World War I&II, Iron Curtain too while you're at it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Ubisoft aren't stupid, they don't make their decisions based on forum posts, they're interested in statistics. Always online models are extremely piracy proof, hence they opted for one of their own. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You see the thing is all of their online only games were cracked and they made their customers complan a lot. So they scraped it because no matter what you do on the PC except making a Online only account based game, it's going to get pirated, the single player that is.

And even the MMOs that people make get private servers.

[Polaris2013]

Ultimately, I think DRM favors the pirates.

When do legit customers ever discuss piracy? Right after the topic of DRM comes up.