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C_h_u_c_k_l_e_s
05-18-2006, 10:03 PM
Summon Phoenix. If you've seen the stats of the regular Phoenix, you've noticed that it's impressive. 33 att/def, 150 hp's, 30-50 damage...well that's NOTHING to the summoned version. His stats are all based upon the caster's spell power. Check this out. It's only ONE per battle...but I managed to clean out a Dragon Utopia with it. :O)

http://www.the-genies-lamp.com/images/h5_images/alpha_screenshots/phoenix_stats_summoned.jpg

C_h_u_c_k_l_e_s
05-18-2006, 10:03 PM
Summon Phoenix. If you've seen the stats of the regular Phoenix, you've noticed that it's impressive. 33 att/def, 150 hp's, 30-50 damage...well that's NOTHING to the summoned version. His stats are all based upon the caster's spell power. Check this out. It's only ONE per battle...but I managed to clean out a Dragon Utopia with it. :O)

http://www.the-genies-lamp.com/images/h5_images/alpha_screenshots/phoenix_stats_summoned.jpg

pavel44
05-18-2006, 10:06 PM
I am surprised you didn't know that before.

Goke
05-18-2006, 10:48 PM
Chuckles, I was wondering... when you say ONE per battle, does that mean, only one ACTIVE at a time? Like, if your phoenix dies and reborns and dies again, can you summon another in the same battle? Thanks.

akrav
05-18-2006, 10:51 PM
thats nothing, I prefer having to deal with one of those than 100+ elementals, were the hero adds another 35-45 each time its his turn.

the first pheonix I summoned had stats over 58 atk/def, but I still think elementals are way better.

elementals need to be balanced like pheonixs are, limit it to 100 elementals or something.

pavel44
05-18-2006, 10:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by akrav:
thats nothing, I prefer having to deal with one of those than 100+ elementals, were the hero adds another 35-45 each time its his turn.

my pheonix had stats over 58 atk/def, but I still prefer massive elementals.

it soo needs to be balanced like pheonixs are, limit it to 100 elementals or something. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

to summon 100 elementals at once you would need Spellpower of 46 or more.

akrav
05-18-2006, 11:01 PM
I never said he starts off with 100 in 1 cast, I said that he can summon 35-45 each time, as in I meant he starts off with 0 and goes up to 35-70-105..., but usually the hero will have 70-100 elementals before you get to his side of the field with most of your troops, especially if he has expert sorcery.

pavel44
05-18-2006, 11:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by akrav:
I never said he starts off with 100 in 1 cast, I said that he can summon 35-45 each time, as in I meant he starts off with 0 and goes up to 35-70-105..., but usually the hero will have 70-100 elementals before you get to his side of the field with most of your troops, especially if he has expert sorcery. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

then I rather summon Phoenix and then cast some other spells after that.

BTW, does Expert Summoning have any effect on Phoenix?

Vicheron
05-18-2006, 11:18 PM
Expert summoning gives 2 x spell power elementals. So with 18 spell power, the spell power it took to create that phoenix, you could get 36 elementals with each casting.

pavel44
05-18-2006, 11:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Vicheron:
Expert summoning gives 2 x spell power elementals. So with 18 spell power, the spell power it took to create that phoenix, you could get 36 elementals with each casting. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

36 elementals will have the edge in hit points, but Phoenix blows them away in defense and attack.

akrav
05-18-2006, 11:55 PM
I was saying if I could only use one, it would be the elementals, cause you can get over 200 in long battles

KingImp
05-19-2006, 12:25 AM
This spell is really starting to worry me. How is anyone supposed to beat that thing without a serious amount of loss when someone of decent spell power casts it?

It is almost assured of going first with an Initiative of 15 and it's attack will wipe out most lower level units completely. Plus, you say it's only one per battle, but with it's Rebirth ability, that basically makes it two.

I honestly think they may have gone overboard with this spell.

pavel44
05-19-2006, 01:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KingImp:
This spell is really starting to worry me. How is anyone supposed to beat that thing without a serious amount of loss when someone of decent spell power casts it?

It is almost assured of going first with an Initiative of 15 and it's attack will wipe out most lower level units completely. Plus, you say it's only one per battle, but with it's Rebirth ability, that basically makes it two.

I honestly think they may have gone overboard with this spell. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

no I think it is fine, it is a 5th level spell after all and it is just 1 creature, plus there are abilities against summoned creatures.

Boromir2006
05-19-2006, 01:30 AM
That's still quite a weak Phoenix. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I managed to conjure one that had about 1200 hit points and about 90 attack and defence (As far as I remember, I had 36 spell power along with every Summoning Magic abilities). It was funny to see him make about 2000 damage. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

There are just two "cures" for this spell: Harm Touch and Vorpal Sword. :]

Cheers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

pavel44
05-19-2006, 01:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">There are just two "cures" for this spell: Harm Touch and Vorpal Sword. :] </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and 3rd 100,000 Peasants

elfen_lied
05-19-2006, 01:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KingImp:
This spell is really starting to worry me. How is anyone supposed to beat that thing without a serious amount of loss when someone of decent spell power casts it?

It is almost assured of going first with an Initiative of 15 and it's attack will wipe out most lower level units completely. Plus, you say it's only one per battle, but with it's Rebirth ability, that basically makes it two.

I honestly think they may have gone overboard with this spell. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The rebirth abilities only works on "natural" phoenixes, summoned ones disappears on their first death if I'm not mistaken.

elfen_lied
05-19-2006, 01:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
There are just two "cures" for this spell: Harm Touch and Vorpal Sword. :]

Cheers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"banish" and "exorcism" summoning skills must do wonders too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

H5forem
05-19-2006, 02:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Boromir2006:
That's still quite a weak Phoenix. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I managed to conjure one that had about 1200 hit points and about 90 attack and defence (As far as I remember, I had 36 spell power along with every Summoning Magic abilities). It was funny to see him make about 2000 damage. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

There are just two "cures" for this spell: Harm Touch and Vorpal Sword. :]

Cheers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Here is my bird with 30 spell power:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/phoenix.jpg

pavel44
05-19-2006, 02:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H5forem:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Boromir2006:
That's still quite a weak Phoenix. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I managed to conjure one that had about 1200 hit points and about 90 attack and defence (As far as I remember, I had 36 spell power along with every Summoning Magic abilities). It was funny to see him make about 2000 damage. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

There are just two "cures" for this spell: Harm Touch and Vorpal Sword. :]

Cheers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Here is my bird with 30 spellpower:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/h5forem/phoenix.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

what level and type of hero you got?

H5forem
05-19-2006, 02:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pavel44:
what level and type of hero you got? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Jhora level 24, 30 spell power, Expert Summoning Magic, Master of Conjuration...

P.S.
12 attack, 12 defense http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

RamzaBehoulve
05-19-2006, 02:56 AM
Anyone dares going full Light magic too and Rez that baby couple of times ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (would that work actually?)

Damn impressive, but so are all the lvl 5 spells.
There are counters available, so it's all good.

H5forem
05-19-2006, 03:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RamzaBehoulve:
Anyone dares going full Light magic too and Rez that baby couple of times ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (would that work actually?)
. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You don't need Light Magic... If he dies just summon another phoenix...

GhostDracolich
05-19-2006, 03:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KingImp:
This spell is really starting to worry me. How is anyone supposed to beat that thing without a serious amount of loss when someone of decent spell power casts it?

It is almost assured of going first with an Initiative of 15 and it's attack will wipe out most lower level units completely. Plus, you say it's only one per battle, but with it's Rebirth ability, that basically makes it two.

I honestly think they may have gone overboard with this spell. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Easy. Destruction + Cold Mastery + Necromancy + Deadly Cold = Dead Bird

BTW... I accidently hit "Edit Post" instead of quotes ;p. Ignore that message.

ST_Ghost
05-19-2006, 04:13 AM
Summoning school now is quite useless except for that spell so its quite overpowered.

For half my campaign heroes that are spellcraft based i got the phoenix and it was a piece of cake to win under heroic. The only problem would be if your other troops die before the phoenix does, and the AI never attacks a phoenix unless it has to. (one smart thing I guess)

Oh, and the phoenix is weak against pitlords and wraiths, but you knew that already http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif More so against pit lords as they can kill you on retaliation as well.

goznik
05-19-2006, 04:18 AM
The implosion isnt bad too now:
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9176/imp11xe.jpg

I even got it up to ~3200 but I dont have the pic.

H5forem
05-19-2006, 04:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by goznik:
The implosion isnt bad too now:
I even got it up to ~3200 but I dont have the pic. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Did you have Emerald Slippers artefact? (+50% to earth) or just an obscene spell power...

akrav
05-19-2006, 04:30 AM
wow nice, wasnt aware that dd spells were buffed.

ST_Ghost
05-19-2006, 04:31 AM
Probably both.
I got close to that with Agrael's new dark elf form in the campaign with the slippers, but meteor is usually better against hordes.

Infiltrator-SF
05-19-2006, 04:32 AM
Well he probably had Enlightment (for stats ponts to power), Earth slippers and a ton of +Spellpower artifacts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ssospws
05-19-2006, 04:47 AM
And just imagine what it can do with warlock luck. It made the warlock campaign extremely easy for me.

grotesc666
05-19-2006, 04:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by C_h_u_c_k_l_e_s:
Summon Phoenix. If you've seen the stats of the regular Phoenix, you've noticed that it's impressive. 33 att/def, 150 hp's, 30-50 damage...well that's NOTHING to the summoned version. His stats are all based upon the caster's spell power. Check this out. It's only ONE per battle...but I managed to clean out a Dragon Utopia with it. :O)

http://www.the-genies-lamp.com/images/h5_images/alpha_screenshots/phoenix_stats_summoned.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

on wich map is that dragon utopia located? I ant to see one

goznik
05-19-2006, 07:12 AM
I had the Emerald Slippers and Enlightment (I had 26 spell power I think) .
It was also the week of earth(another +50%).

With luck it could do 6400dmg. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif
sweeet.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by grotesc666:
on wich map is that dragon utopia located? I ant to see one </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Theres a utopia in the "land of the outcasts" and in the "trading route" I think.

C_h_u_c_k_l_e_s
05-19-2006, 07:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KingImp:
This spell is really starting to worry me. How is anyone supposed to beat that thing without a serious amount of loss when someone of decent spell power casts it?

It is almost assured of going first with an Initiative of 15 and it's attack will wipe out most lower level units completely. Plus, you say it's only one per battle, but with it's Rebirth ability, that basically makes it two.

I honestly think they may have gone overboard with this spell. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Against another hero it won't be a problem, but against wandering monsters, it'll be a nice advantage.
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@akrav

Yes, if it dies/rebirths/dies again you can simply re-summon a new one for 15 mana. Also, it's not like you have to choose either the phoenix OR the elementals, you can cast both. But you'll be pleasantly surprised at the staying power of the phoenix...while the elementals are somewhat of a roll of the dice.

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@pavel44
Yes, I did know about it before. I just hadn't physically seen it. And even though I knew what to expect, those stats still made my eyes pop. :O)

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@grotesc666

It's the MP map called "Heritage". The Utopia is in the dead center...I think there's a second one on the subterranean level.

pavel44
05-19-2006, 08:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by goznik:
The implosion isnt bad too now:
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/9176/imp11xe.jpg

I even got it up to ~3200 but I dont have the pic. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How do you get "Empowered" spells? With artifacts?

Shad0wAssassin
05-19-2006, 08:57 PM
being a necro player i'd puppet the phoenix or is it immune?

Vicheron
05-19-2006, 09:12 PM
Being a Necro, you can harm touch the Phoenix with your Wraiths. Inferno can use the Pit Lord's vorpal sword, although Pit Lords are slow so it's harder to do that.