EU forces

[muttbut]

Hi first post here so forgive me if I'm out of place with this, but there seems to be quite a few threads on the US and Russians and not a lot of the EU, concerning weapons, vehicles ect, so since I'm European (Irish to be exact) I thought I'd start
some of the vehicles I'd like to see for the EU forces are things like the Gefas http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/img/gefas_frontansicht_gr.jpg

Fennek http://www.boekje-pienter.nl/images/fennek.jpg

Boxer http://pix.nofrag.com/06/49/be5d663fec1f9dceaae5483879ea.jpg

Puma http://www.defesanet.com.br/imagens/afv/kmw/puma/puma_prot_1.jpg

there are a few more vehicles I'll post up, but I want to see other peoples choices of what the EU forces should be fielding.

[muttbut]

Hi first post here so forgive me if I'm out of place with this, but there seems to be quite a few threads on the US and Russians and not a lot of the EU, concerning weapons, vehicles ect, so since I'm European (Irish to be exact) I thought I'd start
some of the vehicles I'd like to see for the EU forces are things like the Gefas http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/img/gefas_frontansicht_gr.jpg

Fennek http://www.boekje-pienter.nl/images/fennek.jpg

Boxer http://pix.nofrag.com/06/49/be5d663fec1f9dceaae5483879ea.jpg

Puma http://www.defesanet.com.br/imagens/afv/kmw/puma/puma_prot_1.jpg

there are a few more vehicles I'll post up, but I want to see other peoples choices of what the EU forces should be fielding.

[muttbut]

sorry for the big puma photos I'll delete it.

[calanorn]

Well im not sure who englands armies will be supporting if there is english units. Hopefully there is and hopefully they support the EU as for the english units hopefully theres a warrior and a challenger updated versions and the infantry is using the new FIST system.

for those of you who dont know FIST is a UK future infantry soldier technology program.

29000 soldiers are planned to use it by 2010 some interesting things which will likely be made better by 2020. like it has a laser range finder for taking out trenches, also new coms system which is encrypted over line of sight to other members of the sqad

The clothing will redice the soldiers visual radar and infared signatures as well as personal temp controls. also has wireless bluetooth inputs etc. The helmet has ballistic protection,mounted screenshowing tactical info squad positions etc and a gun cam built into the helmet.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/fist/

cool info here: http://www.army-technology.com/projects/

[atacms]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by muttbut:
sorry for the big puma photos I'll delete it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No prob for me as I've got broadband, I don't know about others. Anyway, welcome aboard.

I started a thread somewhere so you can introduce yourself, if you like.

Your pics and your research on EU weapons/forces are more than welcome. I've always liked the Fennek as since its contours seemed like some stealth was in mind when they designed it.

Also the new German wheeled vehicle that takes into account IED's is an impressive design as is the Boxer, a much better vehicle than our Stryker.

[atacms]

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/cv90/images/cv90120tank_10.jpg

The CV90120-T tank has been developed to provide a lighter, highly mobile main battle tank with a high pressure smoothbore 120mm gun, battlefield management system and extensive defensive aids suite

I've always been impressed with Hagglunds (formerly Alvis Hägglunds) of Örnsköldsvik and Saab Bofors Dynamics of Karlskoga, Sweden

[calanorn]

The viking sounds good looks a bit shoddy if u ask me but its all terrain and can wade through some pretty deep water
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/viking/

[atacms]

For long range stealthy insertion of commando forces for EU, forget about airborne troops, this is the 2020's!
http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/06/gryphon.jpg
http://www.spelco.eu/edit/content/file/DV141059_en/Bild%2006.JPG/Get.aspx

Developed by a German consortium, Spelco, (ESG Elektroniksystem and Logistik GmbH), the GRYPHON allows spec op forces to cover up to 200km during flight!!

It's equipped w/guidance and stabilization systems and allow 40km distance if troops are packing 100kg of weight! They're working on a powered version to increase the distance.

Here's some more info if you're curious.

http://www.spelco.eu/code/Press/downloads.aspx

[pettyofficerj]

top image of the gefas reminds me of germany's old ww2 design 251 ICV

[muttbut]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by atacms:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by muttbut:
sorry for the big puma photos I'll delete it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No prob for me as I've got broadband, I don't know about others. Anyway, welcome aboard.

I started a thread somewhere so you can introduce yourself, if you like.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks for the welcome mate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


I know most if not all of these probably will not appear ingame, but I'd just like to keep this thread up to date with what we have/will have, maybe for the sequal http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[muttbut]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by calanorn:
Well im not sure who englands armies will be supporting if there is english units. Hopefully there is and hopefully they support the EU as for the english units hopefully theres a warrior and a challenger updated versions and the infantry is using the new FIST system.

for those of you who dont know FIST is a UK future infantry soldier technology program.

29000 soldiers are planned to use it by 2010 some interesting things which will likely be made better by 2020. like it has a laser range finder for taking out trenches, also new coms system which is encrypted over line of sight to other members of the sqad

The clothing will redice the soldiers visual radar and infared signatures as well as personal temp controls. also has wireless bluetooth inputs etc. The helmet has ballistic protection,mounted screenshowing tactical info squad positions etc and a gun cam built into the helmet.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/fist/

cool info here: http://www.army-technology.com/projects/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yep, the UK's FIST programe is one of a number of EU "future soldier" programmes, the French FELIN ect, I'll post up some information on them.

[muttbut]

French FELIN: I persoanlly like their new camo,
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/felin/
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/felin/images/7-infantry-soldiers.jpg

[muttbut]

German IDz programme, Version 1 has been delivered over the last few years, V2 prototypes begins delivery next year, there will be a V3.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/idz/
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/idz/images/4-navicom.jpg

[muttbut]

Italian FS programme
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/8567/72659176zf6.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/dailypix/militarypix/fresh/more/more/even%20more/b061127n.jpg
Dutch, US, French FS programmes.



I'll dig up some information on these and the other programmes for you guys.

[pettyofficerj]

why is teh french soldier staring at the ground?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


on another note, it looks like everyone is jumping on the digital pattern bandwagon..

is it that cool?

[pettyofficerj]

also, with so many popular italian weapon designs out in the market (beretta, benelli shotguns anyone?), why are they using m4's? Don't they have their own assault rifle design?

[muttbut]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pettyofficerj:
why is teh french soldier staring at the ground?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


on another note, it looks like everyone is jumping on the digital pattern bandwagon..

is it that cool? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm guessing it's because the helmet weighs a ton http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


about the digicams, they have done scientific testing and they have found some advantages to them, but I think we're all going to end up wearing the same pattern, no more German flectarn, or weird Belgian jigsaw... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[muttbut]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pettyofficerj:
also, with so many popular italian weapon designs out in the market (beretta, benelli shotguns anyone?), why are they using m4's? Don't they have their own assault rifle design? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That is actually a Berreta, it's called the AR160, heres a clearer photo of it
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8538&d=1150512754

[pettyofficerj]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by muttbut:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pettyofficerj:
also, with so many popular italian weapon designs out in the market (beretta, benelli shotguns anyone?), why are they using m4's? Don't they have their own assault rifle design? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That is actually a Berreta, it's called the AR160, heres a clearer photo of it
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8538&d=1150512754 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol..

holycrap, I meant the DUTCH soldier, in the photo with the us and frenchie, holding the m4.

I don't know of any dutch weapon manufacturers.

[muttbut]

Ah, I get ya, it's actually a Canadian Diemaco...well Colt now since they bought Diemaco.

[calanorn]

i hope they dont make the europeans seem like they are lagging behind russia and america we EU peeps have some pretty nifty equip on the development reel atm.

i dunno why it might be because it was the weapon i used in the army but i will be sad when the SA80, L85A2 are replaced they are not the best of weapons but i always liked mine lol.

[pettyofficerj]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by muttbut:
Ah, I get ya, it's actually a Canadian Diemaco...well Colt now since they bought Diemaco. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I couldn't tell the difference, even tho the end of that scope, with its ridges, looks very suspect..

[muttbut]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by calanorn:
i hope they dont make the europeans seem like they are lagging behind russia and america we EU peeps have some pretty nifty equip on the development reel atm.

i dunno why it might be because it was the weapon i used in the army but i will be sad when the SA80, L85A2 are replaced they are not the best of weapons but i always liked mine lol. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Agreed, although I understand the SA80-A2 is pretty good now, very accurate.

anyway, heres another piece of nifty kit, the AMOS mortar system from Sweden there is also a single barrell version developed by Sweden and Finland called NEMO
http://www.investis.com/il/images/bae_gallery/7496.JPG

[muttbut]

Archer also from Sweden, entering service this year, fully automatic 155mm gun, very sophisticated.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/LAND_Bofors_Archer_Artillery_lg.jpg

[pettyofficerj]

If anyone has any doubt about the usefulness of Swedish weaponry, one of their weapons, from ww2, is still in service today, decades later. Many countries, both axis and allies, employed this weapon across the field.

Anyone mind taking a guess at what it is? Don't use google or yahoo.


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[atacms]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pettyofficerj:
If anyone has any doubt about the usefulness of Swedish weaponry, one of their weapons, from ww2, is still in service today, decades later. Many countries, both axis and allies, employed this weapon across the field.

Anyone mind taking a guess at what it is? Don't use google or yahoo.


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not using google/yahoo/or web, is it the Carl Gustaf recoiless rifle?

[pettyofficerj]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by atacms:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pettyofficerj:
If anyone has any doubt about the usefulness of Swedish weaponry, one of their weapons, from ww2, is still in service today, decades later. Many countries, both axis and allies, employed this weapon across the field.

Anyone mind taking a guess at what it is? Don't use google or yahoo.


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not using google/yahoo/or web, is it the Carl Gustaf recoiless rifle? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tho that weapon was also developed by the Swedes, the weapon in mind, which was used by both axis and allied forces "during" ww2 ( carl gustav was put into play around 1946), is the Bofors 40mm anti-aircraft gun. It saw action with the us, brits AND germans. It is still in service today aboard the ac130 gunships, due to the type of ammo it can fire over long distances, and if i'm not mistaken, was in use by the North Vietnamese army, referred to as the "pom pom" for it's distinctive sound.

I'm guessing it was also used in Iraq by Saddam's army as well, tho I haven't really looked that up.

[pettyofficerj]

late edit-

if a country is not technologically or financially endowed enough to afford surface to air missiles for counter-air measures, chances are they have something with the name of "Bofors" on it which shoots HE shells into the air.

[PrinceCaspian5]

Just an interesting fact, in WWII the British universal carrier (or Bren carrier)
Was also used on both sides because when the BEF evacuated out of Dunkirk they had to leave a lot of their heavy equipment behind and the Germans liked the Bren carrier, so they used it.
And the American M3 half-track is still used today by the Israeli army

[lockjawmcgraw]

Going back to muttbut you claim to be irish and yet you have failed to include any info on irish forces . I mean by 2020 i dont know whether ireland has joined nato or an overall EU army but at the moment our army is kind of basic, we have 15 tanks (light tanks) although our special forces are pretty good ( i know we are good at peackeeping ) but in an actual war the most we could do is hold them back for a day.

[muttbut]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by lockjawmcgraw:
Going back to muttbut you claim to be irish and yet you have failed to include any info on irish forces . I mean by 2020 i dont know whether ireland has joined nato or an overall EU army but at the moment our army is kind of basic, we have 15 tanks (light tanks) although our special forces are pretty good ( i know we are good at peackeeping ) but in an actual war the most we could do is hold them back for a day. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, our military over all is a very professional force of good quality (the Irish have always made good soldiers) compared to the larger forces we are and most likely will be pretty tiny, but ok I'll put us up there, although take into account we are in the middle of a re-equipment programme, there will be more kit coming online over the next few years

couple of photos of our fore mentioned SOF the ARW in their SRV's
http://gallery.irishmilitaryonline.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=677&g2_serialNumber=2
http://gallery.irishmilitaryonline.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=671&g2_serialNumber=2
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/43/Arw_sniperwithaw50ki3.jpg
Just for pure coolness reasons http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7a/Irish_Army_Mowag_Piranha.JPG
Our Mowag Piranha III's, we have 85 of them at the moment, made up of APC's, versions with remote weapon stations and another varient with 30mm Bushmaster cannon, we will probably get more including heavier armed ones, most probably 105mm gun armed ones

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d1/Irish_army_carl_g.jpg
Speaking of the CG recoiless gun, here's our upgraded version, with LRF, sight

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/javelin/images/Javelin_10.jpg
Javelin ATGWS

[muttbut]

BTW, thanks to Irish military online for some of those photos

[pettyofficerj]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by muttbut:
BTW, thanks to Irish military online for some of those photos </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought the Irish fought with the rest of the UK forces.

For a while, the UK used to segregate troops based on where they lived and put them into regiments that way, circa ww2 and probably ww1.

I know there is a language barrier, in theory, with so many different nationalities in the UK, expected to fight alongside each other in the same military.

[muttbut]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pettyofficerj:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by muttbut:
BTW, thanks to Irish military online for some of those photos </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought the Irish fought with the rest of the UK forces.

For a while, the UK used to segregate troops based on where they lived and put them into regiments that way, circa ww2 and probably ww1.

I know there is a language barrier, in theory, with so many different nationalities in the UK, expected to fight alongside each other in the same military. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
We're not in the UK mate, I'm from the Republic, the South, your thinking of Northern Ireland, there are British regiments called the Irish guards, and the Royal Irish regiment, which have Northeners and Southeners serving together as well as people from other nations, lot's of South Africans and Fijians for example http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[muttbut]

Some more goodies that are on the way.

German roboscout, ATGWS version
http://www.armyrecognition.com/europe/France/Eurosatory/Eurosatory_2006/pictures/pictures_2006/RoboScout_MBDA_ArmyRecognition_Eurosatory_2006.JPG

Orca vertical take off UAV
http://www.deagel.com/library1/high/m02006120900155.jpg

Carapas high speed UAV
http://www.deagel.com/library1/high/m02006120900153.jpg

Italian PUMA
http://www.deagel.com/library1/high/m02006120900172.jpg

[muttbut]

Apologies for the size of the photos, but I say the bigger the better.....awkward though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

French new VBCI IFV, I believe this is the one used by the EU in the game.
http://www.deagel.com/library1/high/m02006120900177.jpg

Boxer again, just to give an indication of it's size, it's the biggest wheeled APC around, reminds me of something out of Aliens http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://www.deagel.com/library1/high/m02006120900213.jpg

Swedish CV-90 120mm tank version....cool in my opinion
http://www.deagel.com/library1/high/m02006120900227.jpg

[pettyofficerj]

I lub my broadband....

back when I was on dialup, I woulda nailed you to the wall for these big pics...

but i'm downloading at 3MBs a sec, so it dun matter

[zsorrell]

the orca vertical takeoff is like the american firescout and the carapas is like the predator. But the predator is a high altitude uav and the firescout can come armed. Oops, i got off topic. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
Anyways most of thes vehicles are cooler than american ones. I dont see us ever putting humvees out of service. But i bet people were saying that about the jeep. anyways although eu vehicles are cool i like american future warrior program. It has guncam, improved comm., direct access to support, and shiny new weapon systems. but before 2020 i can see EU having american style soldiers and america having Europian vehicles. As long as that damn American pride doesnt get in the way.
I like Europe, you guys actually have some common sense. We Americans build things lke monster trucks and drag racers just because we can. If i go to Europe hopefully my stupid stereotypes will end and we can all live happily ever after. THe End(war). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

[muttbut]

New British supacat WMIK (with out armament) but it will carry GPMG's, AGL, HMG ATGWS ect

http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/71A54625-826B-40E2-8827-A123D813B7B5/0/mwmik1.jpg

[Viguier1989]

I think that is a bad idea to use really units for the European army, because all country will want that their units will be used in this game. I'm French and I would like that ths majority of the units will be french an Germans will think similar things. I think ths best idea is to creat new special units, without nationality. And sorry if I do mistake.

[snapkracklepop]

I think everybody wants real units maybe they could just pick certain vehicles from each country to make everybody happy.

BTW that new british vehicle is awesome it can go 80 mph. They chose a completely differant aproach to the U.S., they went with speed instead of armor. If it works I think the U.S. should do the same. Although we would still need armored vehicles for some situations.

[pettyofficerj]

80 mph...

lol...

thats crazy

[snapkracklepop]

They need to make a movie out of that, SAS road trip. I doubt they'll get up to that too much.

[Viguier1989]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by snapkracklepop:
I think everybody wants real units maybe they could just pick certain vehicles from each country to make everybody happy.

BTW that new british vehicle is awesome it can go 80 mph. They chose a completely differant aproach to the U.S., they went with speed instead of armor. If it works I think the U.S. should do the same. Although we would still need armored vehicles for some situations. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think it would be interesting to make very different vehicle for all country, for exemple the European would be fast with a light amor, the russian with a heavy armor and with slower units, and the american would as fast as amored.
You know to do a similare thing to Red Alert.

[snapkracklepop]

I think they said thats how it was going to be, the EU would be fast, the Russians would have armor and the U.S. would be in between.

[Viguier1989]

Yes it was what I went to say.

[muttbut]

Good look at the Italian FS system V1
http://www.selex-sas.com/EN/Common/images/Galileo_Avionica/Foto_Prodotti/2_LAND/BATTLESPACE_EO/2_1_4_FUTURE_SOLDIER/18X13CM/SOLDATO.JPG

[snapkracklepop]

I think the EU would either use the German IdZ, or the French Félin for their infantry.

[MSG_Urban]

hah. The front of that Italian gun looks like an upsidedown G36.

[vegas692007]

In the videos or screens, its always the US in Europe. to be fair, the French couldnt defeat a troop of Scouts, but germany would not be so easy! We have seen no pics or vids of EU. This is gay.
it seems that the EU is one country in Endwar, rather than the loose confederation of relatively small countries.
This could be represented by changing 'riflemen' to 'German Riflemen', 'Engineers', to 'Polish Engineers', all in the one army.

[Viguier1989]

What ??? the French couldnt defeat a troop of Scouts ???? I think I don't undurstood what you want to say.

[MSG_Urban]

Well, they defeated a lot of people back in the 1800s. Right up until they faced russia... I think... (my 1800s history isnt all that great)

Also, for vegas, there is actually an EU armed forces. I have the info for all of the registered national militaries in the world, and the EU is listed as one of them. The information I have for them including ranks is in both deutsch and english.

[Ghost Dog 3]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
on another note, it looks like everyone is jumping on the digital pattern bandwagon..

is it that cool? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its simply that effective.Its got nothing to do whit being cool.

[MSG_Urban]

I disagree. Althoughs some digital patterns are effective, the ACUs are just aweful. They fail at being all purpose camo. Well... ok.. they dont fail everywhere. They are pretty effective in this location: http://www.fototime.com/99B529677144E32/orig.jpg

[Jimjemael_796]

They better make the EU as they would be in 2020 a united and developed europe in the FUTURE would be
incredibly powerful.

[Jimjemael_796]

The Future Integrated Soldier Technology (or FIST) is a project by the British Army, which aims to enhance the infantry's combat effectiveness.
The goal

The goal is to integrate a modular system of all equipment, weapons and their sighting systems, radios that the individual soldier carries or uses, in order to increase his overall effectiveness on the battlefield.
The kit is aimed to cover 5 main areas:

* Command and Control
* Lethality
* Mobility
* Survivability
* Sustainability
Cool http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

[Jimjemael_796]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by vegas692007:
In the videos or screens, its always the US in Europe. to be fair, the French couldnt defeat a troop of Scouts, but germany would not be so easy! We have seen no pics or vids of EU. This is gay.
it seems that the EU is one country in Endwar, rather than the loose confederation of relatively small countries.
This could be represented by changing 'riflemen' to 'German Riflemen', 'Engineers', to 'Polish Engineers', all in the one army. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree, (being european myself) that although the european union is the most tightly packed union it doesn't mean we're the same nation.

[snapkracklepop]

This is set in the future were the EU has become one nation.

[Viguier1989]

Yes, but ther is a problem about the all country, because all Europeans want that their soldiers will have an important rol in this army, but theire is to much nationality, French, German, Spanish, Polish, Italian ... so the best solution is to take sodiers from the main European army : Germans, French and English, and so like you said it's would be for exemple German pilot for tank, French infantery and English ship or plane.

Or it possible to do a random system, all units would possibly of all nationalities, with a percant of probability, for exemple, if you make 120 tanks, 30 are germans, 25 British 25 French and others.

[snapkracklepop]

I think the EU has standardized their equipment, so they all use the same stuff.

[Andcus]

I hope they say screw those countrys and call them European riflemen or something.

[PrinceCaspian5]

i don't think it will matter where your troops are from, because it is all one big army they will have the same stuff and same training, so the only difference will be what language they speak

[Viguier1989]

Yes you say right, so the Best solution is that all Europeans soldiers speak English, it is the more loglicle thing, because English is the international lunguage, and if it is not this lunguage who will be chosen, German is an interesting alternative to, because it is the lunguage the more talk in Europe.

[PrinceCaspian5]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Viguier1989:
Yes you say right, so the Best solution is that all Europeans soldiers speak English, it is the more loglicle thing, because English is the international lunguage, and if it is not this lunguage who will be chosen, German is an interesting alternative to, because it is the lunguage the more talk in Europe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I think that they should just speak whatever language the game is in, if you get an English version, they speak English, French version they speak French. I know it wouldn't be realistic to have the Russian troops speaking English, but if they speak Russian I would have no idea what they were saying, that happened in the game battlestations midway, if something happened they would shout out a warning (ex. torpedoes incoming), but if you played on the Japanese side they would say it in Japanese so you have no idea what they are shouting about, it got really annoying

[snapkracklepop]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Viguier1989:
Yes you say right, so the Best solution is that all Europeans soldiers speak English, it is the more loglicle thing, because English is the international lunguage, and if it is not this lunguage who will be chosen, German is an interesting alternative to, because it is the lunguage the more talk in Europe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>It will probably be english for gameplays sake. Knowing the EU though it would probably be German or french.

[Viguier1989]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I think that they should just speak whatever language the game is in, if you get an English version, they speak English, French version they speak French. I know it wouldn't be realistic to have the Russian troops speaking English, but if they speak Russian I would have no idea what they were saying, that happened in the game battlestations midway, if something happened they would shout out a warning (ex. torpedoes incoming), but if you played on the Japanese side they would say it in Japanese so you have no idea what they are shouting about, it got really annoying </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yes it's an problem, I play often to BattleField and there is the same probleme when I play yhe Chinese or the CMO. But just in the FPS not in the RTS, because that what say your soldiers in an RTS is not very important, just to say that you base is under attack and they can say it in lunguage of the version (if your English = English, French = French ...) but with the accent of the nationalities, like in Red Alerte 2 or Civilisation IV, soldiers speak theire own lunguages but when somthing arives it says in youre lunguage.

[LordTenacious]

Well muttbut says this is a pic of EU forces
so....
Screenie Fo Rizzle My Nizzle (http://www.1up.com/do/slideshow?pager.offset=5&p=&g=&tr=&mt=0&cId=3158955)
Maybe this helps.

[Jimjemael_796]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LordTenacious:
Well muttbut says this is a pic of EU forces
so....
Screenie Fo Rizzle My Nizzle (http://www.1up.com/do/slideshow?pager.offset=5&p=&g=&tr=&mt=0&cId=3158955)
Maybe this helps. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
R u sure they're not russian... they got russian camo?

[muttbut]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jimjemael_796:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LordTenacious:
Well muttbut says this is a pic of EU forces
so....
Screenie Fo Rizzle My Nizzle (http://www.1up.com/do/slideshow?pager.offset=5&p=&g=&tr=&mt=0&cId=3158955)
Maybe this helps. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
R u sure they're not russian... they got russian camo? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Positive mate, EU

[Viguier1989]

We will probably see soon in the official site a list of the units for the main armies.

[TFCC]

I think there could be a couple of ways they can do it (and proably more I don't end up saying), I'm Canadain, but my heritage is English and Irish (obviously), but what if they did it one of these ways...

1- They allow you to choose what nationality you would like once you pick EEC and begin to select your army or however it will work and it will have the same stats as the other EEC natinaolties (speeling sorry) per say but just have a different look and sound to it

2- They make the Air Force "English", the Navy "French", and the Army "German" or some combo of the sort

3- They make it a generic type so all "English" or all "French" or all "Spanish" or whatever

4- They make it random like someone said so it will just depend on luck in the end

Those are some ways I think they could do it

[PrinceCaspian5]

In EndWar the EU has joined together to form one country, so there aren't different armies with different equipment, it is all one army, and I would assume that they would have standardized equipment

[TFCC]

Yes, but still its possible they would take the best of every country and combine it, so that each country would have its best equipment or idea used.

[Jimjemael_796]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TFCC:
Yes, but still its possible they would take the best of every country and combine it, so that each country would have its best equipment or idea used. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ye its not like europe is gonna be all the same in that amount of time people wud b 2 proud of their original countries, so they'd definitely hav sum sorta variatin.

[Kaona]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LordTenacious:
Well muttbut says this is a pic of EU forces
so....
Screenie Fo Rizzle My Nizzle (http://www.1up.com/do/slideshow?pager.offset=5&p=&g=&tr=&mt=0&cId=3158955)
Maybe this helps. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Anyone can identify the tanks in this screen shot?
Are they Leopard 2 or the other British tank(I cant remember the name)?

[TFCC]

I think it is the French Lecarec tank or it is the British Challenger...

[Viguier1989]

I think this tank don't exist and he has been created by the developers, and I think It's voluntarily that it looks to many european tanks like the Leclerc or the Chalenger. But it looks to the Chalenger, more than the Leclerc, unfortunatly ... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif (I prefer the Leclerc)

[PrinceCaspian5]

i don't think they just made it up, they have said a few times that all the stuff in this game is either in use today or in development

[Viguier1989]

Sorry I do not know that, so the tank in the picture might be the Chalenger, but I think the best tank to use in the game is the leopard 2 because, it is use in many European country like Greece, Spain, Austria ... Or the tank seen in the picture is the Leopard 3.

[pointandlaugh]

that would make sense

[Delta085]

dude i want 2 see a new version of the challenger and leopered

[Inquisitor_Zeal]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Viguier1989:
... the leopard 2 because, it is use in many European country like Greece, Spain, Austria ... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You forgot Germany... which Invented it(right??) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. But who knows if the Canadians are actually in the game with the Americans then they may put the Leopard tank there instead of with the EU to have variety as Canada uses it to. But i would like to see it in the game regardless of what 'side' its on.

[Viguier1989]

Yes but for me it was so logical, so I don't said it, but it's true it's not so logical.

[Da_Costa1982]

You could mention that UROVESA VAMTAC. The European Hummer (You don't pay 40'000 US$ for it). It's made in Galicia, Northwest part of Spain and to the North of Portugal.

http://parque4x4.com.ar/recibidos/uro/

That's a good site to check the eurohummer
...

[Da_Costa1982]

And the Euros could use for Airforce their Eurofighter 2000 as well as Panavia Tornado since those were developed by many euro nations at a time.

And what about the Euro Army in the game? Would they be an hybrid of all the europoean armies or they would have a standard issued armament?

[Andcus]

Pics of endwar, some EU Special forces
identify EU rifles?

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/tomclancysendwar...age&tag=images;img;1 (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/tomclancysendwar/images.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gsimage&tag=images;img;1)

[JSF-Debono.L]

It's hard to tell because Europe have a united as a whole, they are most likely using the best gear and weapons their members have to offer.

My best guess is that the rifle is a version of the XM29 OICW or one based on it.

[snapkracklepop]

Why would they base their rifle off of an american weapon?

[pointandlaugh]

I'm not very good at determining what a weapon is by looking at it...
But I'd say that the EU is using the F2000 and a futuristic version of the FAMAS.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[JSF-Debono.L]

The XM29 was created by both Germany and the US.

Reason I said it may be based on it, is because the XM29 was scraped, so im suggesting that Europe have made their own version of such a weapon.

But looking at it now I agree that it does look like an updated version of the FN F2000. The other rifle may be an updated version of the Félin FAMAS.

[tylniles]

is Sweden part of the EU in this game? speaking of which, i know it's off topic, but i found out that they operate the most advanced version of the Leopard2. according to
army-technology.com
does that seem kind of strange to anyone else? wouldn't it make more sense for germany to get the best ones, since sweden is getting an export model? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif

[SteelEagleStan]

After you get the tank you can modify it, which is what the Swedes have done.

[tylniles]

yah, i guess it's not much different than what the Israelis did with the m-60 and m-48 patton tanks. and the germans when they were using the M109 before they got their current panzerhaubitze2000

[KJ_White]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tylniles:
is Sweden part of the EU in this game? speaking of which, i know it's off topic, but i found out that they operate the most advanced version of the Leopard2. according to
army-technology.com
does that seem kind of strange to anyone else? wouldn't it make more sense for germany to get the best ones, since sweden is getting an export model? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i guess its kind of like the australian abrams tanks they are apparently more up to date then the US ones because we had them fully upgraded and we only just got them unless the US has brought there's up to equal now or even better. but if thats the case they did it fast then.

[JSF-Debono.L]

"manufacturers in Belgium (E3000 Carbine), France (FMS AG2 Assault Rifle), and Austria (UAR 7 Bullpup Support Weapon) began mass production of 7mm weapons earmarked for Enforcers Corps Kommandos use. "

There you go, the weapons for EU infantry.
Can't believe I didn't even realise this infomation was on the gamespot artical about the riflemen in End-War.

[Dontl00kback]

The Enfield L85A1 (also known as the Enfield Individual Weapon or SA80) is the standard infantry weapon of the British Army. Its bullpup design trades accuracy for maneuverability.
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Aslo i'd like to know where's Britian in the game?
thanks.

[Jimjemael_796]

Britain doesn't join the EF (to start with) but stays within the EU. I think that once britain starts getting rolled into the conflict they have to choose a side. Personally I'd prefer europe as it wolud give the US to good a foot hold if britain joined em.
Anyway they 've said that europe has the fastest vehicles but that they are not as strong/powerful http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif I'm all for mobility but surely we must have one big chunky tank (any suggestions?

PS High five dontl00kback ur from britain to http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

[Dontl00kback]

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif =p thanks

[calanorn]

Im the same jim hope britain joins with the EF i dont want to fight for some faction that does not include my home country when its in the game but i aint gonna help those pesky americans http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

as for the SA80 i always found it pretty accurate for a bullpup so i would not say its sacrificed its accuracy or maneuverability. although im not sure if its reliability has improved since i was last using it!!

[Jimjemael_796]

Hey kool oh hold on I remember you, your the one Mr Hanky got mad at on the EU is screwed thread lol http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8911019745/m/1871006575/p/13

[calanorn]

yup didnt let me reply either http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

gotta do something to pass the time til new info arrives lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

back on topic not had much time to check the forums to see if this has come up anywhere sorry if it has but this looks pretty sweet invisble british tanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/31/ntank131.xml

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/new...0669&in_page_id=1770 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=490669&in_page_id=1770)

[Mr.Hanky2005]

Calanorn, check your PMs.

[Jimjemael_796]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by calanorn:
yup didnt let me reply either http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

gotta do something to pass the time til new info arrives lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

back on topic not had much time to check the forums to see if this has come up anywhere sorry if it has but this looks pretty sweet invisble british tanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/31/ntank131.xml

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/new...0669&in_page_id=1770 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=490669&in_page_id=1770) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pretty cool stuff hope it falls into endwars techno gadgetry.

By the way I wouldn't get into arguments with Mr Hanky him being a moderator, and even thoughg I agree with some of the stuff you said we have to respect this as an international forum can't have horrid insults flying about...lol might trigger off a world war http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

[Canuckland]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by calanorn:
yup didnt let me reply either http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

gotta do something to pass the time til new info arrives lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

back on topic not had much time to check the forums to see if this has come up anywhere sorry if it has but this looks pretty sweet invisble british tanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/10/31/ntank131.xml

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/new...0669&in_page_id=1770 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=490669&in_page_id=1770) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If this doesn't make it into the game, I will be a very sad panda.

If it does, when the game comes out people will moan and groan when they have to fight the EF.

[TaSniper]

Well, not really. The devs have already stated that though the units will all look different, they are all the same. For example, a JSF tank and a EF tank will both be identical in terms of preformance, but the differences will be in the unique faction upgrades the player will be able to apply to the unit. So an EF tank will not be more powerful than a JSF or Russian tank, just different.