View Full Version : please i need some info about the german fleet during ww2
CaptianBear14
05-11-2011, 03:38 PM
i like to write small novels for my own amusement and right now i'm writing one about the conflict between england and germany faught on the sea so i need to know from you experienced fellows, who are probably more reliable than any site, how big was the german fleet and how big was their sub fleet.i would like to know how many battleships,
aircraft carriers, heavy and light cruisers , destroyers and submarines.
CaptianBear14
05-11-2011, 03:38 PM
i like to write small novels for my own amusement and right now i'm writing one about the conflict between england and germany faught on the sea so i need to know from you experienced fellows, who are probably more reliable than any site, how big was the german fleet and how big was their sub fleet.i would like to know how many battleships,
aircraft carriers, heavy and light cruisers , destroyers and submarines.
pnwdom
05-11-2011, 08:08 PM
http://www.battle-fleet.com/pw...n_ships_list_ww2.htm (http://www.battle-fleet.com/pw/his/german_ships_list_ww2.htm)
pnwdom
05-11-2011, 09:14 PM
And here is Plan Z. What the Germans had hoped for by 1944.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Z
CaptianBear14
05-12-2011, 10:12 AM
i see now that germany wasnt a big navel power atleast not like the japanese with their 21 aircraft carriers and 11 battle ships and 44 cruisers thank you all for your help http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif
WernherVonTrapp
05-12-2011, 04:49 PM
The Japanese had the second largest navy in the Pacific, third largest navy in the world during WWII. The largest navy was arguably the United Kingdom followed by that of the U.S.. Actually the U.S. and British navies were very similar in size. By the end of 1943, the United States Pacific Fleet was larger than the navies of all the warring powers combined. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif
Today, the U.S. navy is by far, the largest navy in the world, and in the history of the world; being larger than the next 13 largest navies combined. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Interestingly, the Italian Navy was the fourth largest in the world at the outset of WWII and the Royal Australian Navy was the 5th largest.
pnwdom
05-12-2011, 08:59 PM
It wasn't that Germany didn't want a large fleet. They were pretty much gutted after WWI. Combine that with the confines of the North Sea and size of the British fleet, Germany went with U-boats for a bigger bang for their buck.
WernherVonTrapp
05-13-2011, 02:57 PM
Plan-Z went into effect much too late.
CaptianBear14
05-14-2011, 05:43 PM
yeah i'm proud of my country's military i wish they would build it up more and whip the taliban and alqida to shreds but obama probably doesnt have the sand to use the us military for good. i do have a deep feeling the country has lived out its powerfull days china is rushing ahead.
paulhager
05-15-2011, 11:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CaptianBear14:
yeah i'm proud of my country's military i wish they would build it up more and whip the taliban and alqida to shreds but obama probably doesnt have the sand to use the us military for good. i do have a deep feeling the country has lived out its powerfull days china is rushing ahead. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
China has a dirty little secret - a secret that, if true, will seal their doom. According to the most recent census, China claims to have a fertility rate around 1.8. This is below nominal replacement level (around 2.1). However, a closer look at the data suggests that the ACTUAL fertility rate is around 1.3. That is catastrophic. Japan's is a shade lower and if the trend is not reversed, Japan's population will be around 40 million by 2100. China would be looking at something similar - a population between 300 and 400 million by the turn of the century. The problem here is how China gets to that population level. It will do so by being dominated by a very old population cohort supported by a very small group of young people.
Nation states with declining populations historically are nations that have become decadent. They don't innovate and they become risk averse as well. There is no scientific creativity, no technological advance, and certainly no vibrant, expanding economy. The only OECD country without a declining population is the US. Every other nation in that group is groaning under a massive tax burden to support its welfare state. Young people support the elderly who produce...nothing. The young people are so overtaxed they can't afford to have families - children are a luxury and the couple that can afford two kids is lucky. While I'd agree that the US is beginning to decline, the rest of the world is declining faster. Once China can no longer steal and reverse engineer technology, its geriatric society will grind to a halt.
Environmental extremists see this process as good. They are neo-Malthusians who believe that there are 5 or 6 billion people too many. They believe that the Earth is more important that the people who inhabit it.
America's best days are not necessarily behind us but the only way to insure that doesn't become a reality is to get political and stop this seemingly inexorable slide into decadence. It took most of the 20th century to dig the hole we find ourselves in now. Climbing out will, even under optimal circumstances, take at least a generation. But is must be done and it has to start now.
I think the Tea Party has been essential in revitalizing the progress-oriented, pro-freedom elements in the US. Without it, I'd say there is no hope at all. With it, we have a fighting chance. But it's going to take at least 20 or 30 years to clean out all of the unconstitutional, welfare-state/police-state elements that are part of the current federal government.