The real cheater exposed!!!

[KnightKicks]

Ive been Suspicious for a while now and the truth needs to be said especially after Grim_Os
cheaters post.

Here is a cheaters list and Grim-O confessed that he is none other than

Fischer-The-2nd
GX_Yoda
Geranix
Calculex
and a couple others are Grim -o


He admitted to using computer assist with fischer and sid he only used it once as Grim-o

You ask how do I know this ?
When I checked out the birthdates of his diff handles they were all born on June 4th 1987 all 17 I was right about Grim -O and Fischer the 2nd and he has more http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

When grim o posted that Thomas was cheating that made me look over Grims games. There no no doubt . He admitted everything his own confession can be heard http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I dont expect him or fischer to come out . They are going to dissappear you shall see http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[This message was edited by KnightKicks on Fri August 13 2004 at 09:58 AM.]

[KnightKicks]

Ive been Suspicious for a while now and the truth needs to be said especially after Grim_Os
cheaters post.

Here is a cheaters list and Grim-O confessed that he is none other than

Fischer-The-2nd
GX_Yoda
Geranix
Calculex
and a couple others are Grim -o


He admitted to using computer assist with fischer and sid he only used it once as Grim-o

You ask how do I know this ?
When I checked out the birthdates of his diff handles they were all born on June 4th 1987 all 17 I was right about Grim -O and Fischer the 2nd and he has more http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

When grim o posted that Thomas was cheating that made me look over Grims games. There no no doubt . He admitted everything his own confession can be heard http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I dont expect him or fischer to come out . They are going to dissappear you shall see http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[This message was edited by KnightKicks on Fri August 13 2004 at 09:58 AM.]

[KnightKicks]

Sorry Grim but the truth need be told .

You need to learn something from this http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Zum_Zum]

It would appear that KnightKicks is correct, I checked out the names, and they all have the same Birthdate.
I havenâ´t heard any confessions from Grim/Fischer about him cheating, and I never thought that he cheated myself, but thatâ´s how it is, I just play my games, and hold no grudge

[PatzersFish]

I just have one question... In the grand scheme of things does it really matter? I mean fine if he wants to cheat himself by not playing the game and just watching the computer play it that's fine. I'm not that great of a chess player but I haven't lost an Over the Board game in maybe a year (I'm not currently playing Tournaments these are just casual games). I however have been trounced thoroughly online on other chess servers (only have 3 games in the database here). I know that some of these beatings I've taken were from "cheaters". In truth there should be no difference if it's a Computer you're playing or a person (or a person assisted by a computer). You always play to the best of your ability. I'd personally rather have a bad move exploited than to go on thinking that it was a good move because I won the game due to some unsound sacrafice. (check out my first game against princejher http://cmx.ubi.com/playerinfo.php?playerId=1709) I sacced a bishop and then won the game. In truth I should have lost that game badly. The second game I played against him I should have lost also but lucked out with a draw. In truth I should be +1-2=0 instead of +2-0=1. I probably would have learned more from those games if I had lost them.

[Nymike999]

You guys must be new. Every game online has cheaters. Every game on yahoo has them also.

I've seen every cheat you can think of since 1996 online.

Warcraft is full of them. It's just an ego think. Most people can't be famous in this life. This is as close as they can get since they have no skills.

[hilts64]

Oh dear !



regards

Hilts.
Team Marlboro Trans Am Racing

[KnightKicks]

patzerfish is starting to sound like another grim clone http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Unclestuwantsu]

Man Grim I thought you were a really avid chess lover, not some cheater with 6 different accounts! I don't think PatzersFish is a Grim clone though because Grim supposedly lives in Denmark and Patzers posts what would be like 2 AM in Denmark I think I'm not sure though.

[zeroality]

Hmm does seem like they have disappeared!

"His strength is unreal. He is far stronger in reality than any story you might have heard about him."

[PatzersFish]

Bah... Grim clone... I'm on the east coast of the USA (Florida) it's currently 11:16 PM here. I don't get much of a chance to jump online to play. (the computer doesn't mind when you pause it and say "I'll get back to you"). That's why I've "dissappeared" from online play.

GMSpassky I want to thank you for analyzing the chess game in this thread.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=760105752&m=274106095&p=1

Your insight helped me alot.

My original questiion was does it matter if he cheats or not? We're not playing for money, prizes or fame here. We're playing to better ourselves at chess. If that all we're doing (at least that's all I'm doing) then if he's cheating then I'm getting the better end of the deal. He's not going to learn anything from the game. I will.

I'm not saying it's good to cheat, I'm not saying I approve of anyone cheating, I'm stating my opinion. I don't care if they do cheat since it'll be my chess game they will be improving not theirs.

You learn more from your lossess than your wins.

Your losses teach you what not to do.

That's my opinion and now I'm shutting up.

Bah... Grim clone indeed.

[Unclestuwantsu]

Well I appreciate your thanks to my annotations except since English isn't my first language what does Bah mean!? I think I remember what clone means but are you saying you are Grim O. or what?!

[Soulchef22]

bah ( P )
interj.
Used to express impatient rejection or contempt.

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[KnightKicks]

Maybe he means Bah because Grim cant be a clone of himself http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[KnightKicks]

It is possible yes. Grim-O did stick up for himself in posts so it is possible that you are him as well. Why dont you let UBI secide if you are him or not.

It really seems like the list doesnt care if Grim cheated or not.

He foioled allot of people but not me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[darthmix]

Geez. What a hypocrite.

Not only was he a cheater, but he decided to go waste everyone else's time by creating his own anti-cheater post.

If he has any decency or shame, he'll leave for good.

[Unclestuwantsu]

I still can't believe Grim and now that he's gone for good (well actually we don't know that all these Grim clones around here). Hey but the funny thing is Grim actually played Fischer the 2nd and Grim beat him and then I challeneged Fischer the 2nd to a game and he said it was too late but yet he played other games against other players all night so that made me somewhat suspicious. I think it was Grim O. who beat I'm not sure though. But you guys can look that up in the database.

PS KnightKicks I congradulate on catching this fraud but how did you know to become suspicious of him and why did he admit to you all those alias? Also I was laughing really really hard at Grim because he would post on something like Fischer the 2nd then he would quote what he wrote under yoda and say something hey your cool!! or something like that. Also KnightKicks we could make a clan of catching all these frauds. Also anyone who defends Grim is suspicious. Plus I heard Ebut was from Denmark too from Grim but I like Ebut and don't think he's another Grim. I still think there is another Grim and maybe if someone asks the admins to check the IP addresses at the bottom right hand corner they can see them but not us. Oh the joys of hacking. But he could get a proxy and mess us around on that.

[This message was edited by Unclestuwantsu on Sat August 14 2004 at 06:18 PM.]

[KnightKicks]

I knew to becaome suspicious because his play was not consistant. One day he played like a 1300 , then he played like a 2100+. Its really not hard to figure out.

Also when I asked him about this fischer _the -2ng guy he got really defensive.

And suddenly fischer came out of nowhere.

Grim has played fischer himself because he has 2 computers he told me so.

The fact is that anyone who sticks of for grim is likely to be a fake.

I know he has other handles but I only know the few that he made the birthday mistake on.
Im still highly suspicious of the guy who I have not named, but yet there are few who only defend him http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


By the way I got Grim to admit by just knowing his birthdate and finding his extra handles.

He kept asking how I knew. He thought that I worked for UBI or that I had hacked into his computer. A Little bit of the truth went a long way.

He finally told me that he would tell me everything If I told him how I knew his birth date.

So he told me this whole story how he had a friend on the net who he looked up to as a chess player, only to find out that that guy was cheating. So Grim took it from there ,he said he wanted to be the best. I told him cheating isnt being the beat. He said he would rather have the fame than be # 1 .

I guess he really wants to be Fischer.

But remember he told me he had two computers and he thought his new one couldnt be hacked into , but we all know how I got his birthdate now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

There is no doubt he has a new name or is continueing with an old one but hes still here . He told me he would just hide and then make a new name for himself.

Theres a few handles here that post alot so they could be him.

[This message was edited by KnightKicks on Sat August 14 2004 at 07:44 PM.]

[KnightKicks]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> PS KnightKicks I congradulate on catching this fraud but how did you know to become suspicious of him and why did he admit to you all those alias? Also I was laughing really really hard at Grim because he would post on something like Fischer the 2nd then he would quote what he wrote under yoda and say something hey your cool!! or something like that. Also KnightKicks we could make a clan of catching all these frauds. Also anyone who defends Grim is suspicious. Plus I heard Ebut was from Denmark too from Grim but I like Ebut and don't think he's another Grim. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


That guy sure defends Grim but I liked grim too, Even after he admitted he cheated.

I was more upset that he didnt admit to cheating as Grim more than he did.

I know he was useing it against me.

The cool thing was I found I that I beat fischer-the 2nd even though he was cheating though grim said not on every move http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[KnightKicks]

Im aslo surprised that Thomas has not commented
on how Grim accused him while grim was cheating himselfhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But the part about Grim useing other handles to back up himself makes his biggest defender really suspicious.

Any patzer or Fish makes me suspicious, or any other defender of grim http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[KnightKicks]

Here is the reason that I got suspicious enough. Grim -o said himself that the cheaters couldnt play quick games so I challanged him to some 2-0.

So before putting my play down remember its a 2 minute game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "2004.8.11"]
[Round ""]
[White "KnightKicks"]
[Black "Grim_O"]
[TimeControl "120"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "oft "]
1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.Bc4 e6 5.c3 d5 6.exd5 exd5
7.Bb3 (BB5 is prob better but I wanted to make sure fritz was out of book http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Qe7 8.Qe2

( I really dont want to trade queens but i bet this guys going to play like a 1300 now, but where is my king going anyway ?http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Qxe2 9.Kxe2 dxc3 10.Nxc3 d4 ( This just gives the pawn away)

11.Nb5 Kd8 12.Nbxd4 Nxd4 13.Nxd4 Bc5 14.Rd1 Bg4?? (First siggn that this guy is not fischer http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

Did he forget about the pin???

15.f3 Bxd4 16.Rxd4 ?

Duh by playing fg4 ( Taking the light squared bisop first Id win both pieces right away.

Bd7 17.Bxf7 Nf6 18.Bg5 Rf8?

Does he not see the pin once again?
Ke7 was stronger.

19.Bd5 ( I remember almost playing Be6? where 19...Re8 would win the piece)

Re8 20.Kf2 h6 21.Bxf6 gxf6 22.Bxb7 Rb8 23.Bc6
All my army wants in on the fun http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Rxb2 24.Kg3 Re7 25.Rad1 Rg7 26.Kf4 Rbxg2 27.Rxd7 Rxd7 28.Rxd7 Kc8 29.Rxa7 Rxh2 30.a4 Rh4 31.Kf5 Rc4 32.Be4 Rc5 33.Kxf6 Kb8 34.Rh7 h5 35.Bf5 Rc6 36.Kg5 1-0

Compare that to this game he played with more time.

[Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "2004.7.31"]
[Round ""]
[White "KnightKicks"]
[Black "Grim_O"]
[TimeControl "900"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "oft "]

1.e4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 3.d4 dxe4 4.f3 exf3 5.Nxf3 Bg4 6.Bc4 Bxf3 7.Qxf3 Nc6 8.d5 Ne5 9.Bb5 c6 10.Qe2 cxb5 11.Qxe5 Qd6 12.Qxd6 exd6 13.Nxb5 Nxd5 14.O-O

( I was planning c4 here dont know why i castled http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif )

a6 15.Re1 Kd7 16.Nd4 Be7 17.c3 Bf6 18.Nf5 g6 19.Ng3 Nxc3!

Took him like 2 seconds to play this move.
Is this the same guy that missed easy tatics?

20.bxc3 Bxc3 21.Ba3 Bxa1 22.Rxa1 Rhe8 23.Rd1 Re6 24.Bc5 Rc8 25.Bd4 Rc2 26.a4 Ra2 27.Rb1 Rxa4 28.Rxb7 Kc8? woops not my best game but he sisnt missing anything http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

29.Rxf7 Rxd4 30.Rxh7 a5 31.Ra7 a4 32.h4 Kb8 33.Ra5 Re5 34.Ra6 Kb7 my rook is lost and so is the game !

This cant be the same guy can it?

0-1

[Thomas091985]

I did read every post in here
why respond ? he admitted he cheated
I knew I didn't cheat and I feel it's proven I didn't.

[KnightKicks]

As someone posted earlier Grim o has played games against Fischer -The-2nd.

So the fact that you played him prove nothing.

I saw you both talking? Lol I have never met you guys before.

Were you both typeing at the same time? lol

You know what lets just drop this. I really dont care if you or anyone else in this community is Grim -0. This is childish.

I have a 10 year old son thats getting into chess and he happens to like the chessmaster drills.

I wouldnt even be playing if it wasnt for him.
I Just played my first tournament after a 9 year layoff and finally crosed the 2000 mark by one point! My rating was 1997 and i admit im still rusty and all my openings are outdated.

Anyway im not the strongest expert in the world thats for sure http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Anyway if you really want to prove you are not him why dont you let someone from UBI post the truth http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

You stick up for the guy way too much.

Grim told me he only wanted the fame!
I think he got it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[KnightKicks]

I never told anyone that you and grim-o are the same person I only said you may be him http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It would be easy for someone at UBI to check to see if you and grim are the same person http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hey what do you have to say about this quote from ....Unclestuwantsu
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Also KnightKicks we could make a clan of catching all these frauds. Also anyone who defends Grim is suspicious. Plus I heard Ebut was from Denmark too from Grim but I like Ebut and don't think he's another Grim. I still think there is another Grim and maybe if someone asks the admins to check the IP addresses at the bottom right hand corner they can see them but not us. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

He believes that <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Also anyone who defends Grim is suspicious. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[KnightKicks]

So you are saying Grim-O was not smart enough
to dissagree with himself once in a while?
to make himself look more real?

I mean he had already backed himself with fischer. Maybe he got bored of agreeing with himslef? Did this guy talk to himself alot?

For your sake I hope you are not him http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Whats funny about this whole thing is that Grim-O started this big post how Thomas was cheating. and they have only played 2 times as Grim and here are the 2 games.

[Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "2004.8.4"]
[Round ""]
[White "Grim_O"]
[Black "Thomas091985"]
[TimeControl "600 1"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "oft "]
1.e4 e5 2.f4 Bc5 3.Nc3 Bxg1 4.Rxg1 exf4 5.d4 Qh4 6.g3 fxg3 7.Rxg3 Nf6 8.e5 Nh5 9.Qg4 Qxg4 10.Rxg4 c5 11.Rh4 g6 12.Nd5 Kd8 13.Bg5 f6 14.exf6 h6 15.Bf4 Nxf4 16.Rxf4 g5 17.Re4 d6 18.dxc5 dxc5 19.O-O-O Bd7 20.f7 Rf8 21.Re8 Bxe8 22.fxe8=Q Rxe8 23.Nb6 Ke7 24.Nxa8 Rc8 25.Bh3 Rc6 26.Re1 Kd8 27.Rf1 Ke7 28.Bg2 Ra6 29.Re1 Kd8 30.Bxb7 Rxa2 31.Rd1 Nd7 32.Bc6 Ra1 33.Kd2 Rxd1 34.Kxd1 Ne5 35.Bg2 Ng4 36.Ke2 Nxh2 37.c4 Ng4 38.Bd5 Kd7 39.b3 Nf6 40.Bg2 Kd6 41.Ke3 Ng4 42.Ke4 Nf2 43.Kf5 Nd3 44.Be4 Nf4 45.Bf3 Nd3 46.Be4 Nf4 47.Bf3 Nd3 48.Be4 1/2-1/2

[Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "2004.8.7"]
[Round ""]
[White "Grim_O"]
[Black "Thomas091985"]
[TimeControl "540 1"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "oft "]
1.g3 d5 2.Bg2 e5 3.Nf3 e4 4.Nd4 Bc5 5.e3 Qf6 6.Nb3 Bb4 7.a3 Bd6 8.Nc3 Qf5 9.Nd4 Qe5 10.Ncb5 Nd7 11.d3 Ngf6 12.O-O Bc5 13.Nb3 Bd6 14.d4 Qg5 15.Bd2 Nb6 16.Nxd6 cxd6 17.Bb4 Bg4 18.Qc1 Nc4 19.Nd2 Rd8 20.Nxc4 dxc4 21.b3 d5 22.bxc4 dxc4 23.c3 Be2 24.Re1 Qh5 25.Qd2 Bf3 26.Rac1 Bxg2 27.Kxg2 a5 28.Bc5 Qxc5 29.dxc5 Rxd2 30.Rcd1 Ra2 31.Ra1 Rxa1 32.Rxa1 Kd7 33.Rd1 Kc6 34.f3 Nd5 35.Kf2 exf3 36.Kxf3 Re8 37.Re1 Kxc5 38.e4 Nxc3 39.e5 b5 40.e6 Rxe6 41.Rc1 b4 42.axb4 axb4 43.Ra1 b3 44.Ra5 Kb4 45.Ra8 b2 46.Rb8 Nb5 47.Kg4 b1=Q 48.h4 Qe4 49.Kh3 Qf5 50.Kg2 Re2 51.Kg1 Qf2 52.Kh1 Qg2# 0-1


Whats funny about this is that there is no doubt that there is no cheating going on because both players are playing fishy.

So why would grim suspect Thomas of cheating when Grim would no doubt have been cheating himself in a game.

You brought up the examples for grim! If he suspecting Thomas of cheating you would think he had an example? But the best you guys could come with was a game you played!!!!

I also looked and Thomas had not played grim with any of grims other nicks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hey here is a very suspicious game of you verses Grim http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Event ""]
[Site ""]
[Date "2004.7.15"]
[Round ""]
[White "ebutaljib"]
[Black "Grim_O"]
[TimeControl "900 10"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "oft "]
1.c4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.cxd5 cxd5 4.Nc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 Nf6 6.Bf4 Bf5 7.e3 e6 8.Nb5 a6 9.Nc7 Kd7 10.Nxa8 Qa5 11.Qd2 Bb4 12.Rc1 Bxd2 13.Nxd2 Rxa8 14.f3 Qxa2 0-1

Grim beat you in like 14 moves!

You posted how Thomas played like a complete beginner ? What is your excuse for hanging your Queen? I know I guess you had just woken up late that night http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



You seem very suspect to me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[This message was edited by KnightKicks on Sun August 15 2004 at 02:09 PM.]

[KnightKicks]

Lol come on Grim would of known that Thomas wasnt cheating in those games.

Give me a break.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And i didn't told him he should post anything or anything similar. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ignorance is bliss!!

[drew173]

Man, the dumbness level of this thread is beyond estimation. Not saying you guys are dumb, but geez, let it die. Why bicker about it when you could be playing chess?

[KnightKicks]

Im too busy playing some of the 2500 people on ICC right now. It seems to me the choice of playing 2500 people or 20 people ( how many really can play)

I just hope things are going to change here.

Also I have played 172 games here since July 28th you have played 375 games nince June 22nd

[This message was edited by KnightKicks on Sun August 15 2004 at 03:33 PM.]

[KnightKicks]

I just found an old post where ebutaljib admitted cheating http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> posted Tue July 20 2004 01:42 PM
Yes I have noticed it myself and it doesn't make sence. I mean it is good for learning purposes, but it shouldn't be available in rated games when it's "serious business". I have used the opening chess coach in the first few games, but then felt stupid and stoped using it.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


It looks like he admitted to useing the chess coach for his first few games then turned it off?

How could you do this and then accuse another person of cheatinghttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It doesnt look good for you http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://chessbase.com/images2/fischer10.jpg

[This message was edited by KnightKicks on Sun August 15 2004 at 06:08 PM.]

[SeaFireLIV]

Well, well, well. I`m still relatively new here, but when I saw Grim`s thread with him acusing cheaters I just KNEW that was a mistake.

You should NEVER accuse anyone of anything unless you have some proof and are not guilty yourself.

People say the Bible isn`t relevant today and I`m not as practising as I should be, but more and more I see examples where people could learn just a little bit from taking a note or two from it...

"He who throws the first stone..." http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

[Rotipoeg]

Can you 2 stop already. Go and discover some new openings or whaterver.

[Thomas091985]

?..

knightkicks could you do me the favor of clearly saying what you accuse who of ?
cause a lot of this stuff isn't making 100 % sence..

[KnightKicks]

Dont worry thomas The games you played against grim are real. It just turns out that he was the chearter not you http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


I think this thread is about dead I rest my case http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Thomas091985]

k. thanks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif