UBI-to-consumer BIDIRECTIONAL communication!

[FireballU]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ERN456:

So what? That's no excuse for making lousy ports/PC games. Besides you can find plenty of pirates on consoles too.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FireballU:
I think the main point is made in the sole numbers, so that the PC gaming community is less lucrative than the console one, because obviously, the PC community has become used to pirating games, and thus producers also stopped developing for PC and mostly present console ports, if anything.

This is also the conclusion of this article:

http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.html

Sad but true. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

First of all; correct quoting would save me searching for your sentence within my post and to reformat my posts when answering to you.

Secondly, do you really think they need an "excuse"? Well maybe strategies need to be founded towards the board of executives - but not towards an apparently uninteresting minority of customers. PC gaming obviously became a niche product, where pirating became cunningly easy and a kind of folk sport, as in the nephew or the daughter installing "his"/"her" copy of whatever or the unlicensed download on the PC of their father/uncle/brother/schoolmate etc. Ok, unlicensed copying is always been there, ever since they produced anything - to some part they need to get over it. But apparently figures have been taking wild shapes in the PC market during the last few years.

On the other hands the console market seemed to sprawl - and those games even seem to sell much more and more expensive than PC ones, just to call an example that I found the average console game (e.g. of an XBOX360) to be priced around CHF 109.- (USD 90.-) and people are just buying these in masses, no second thoughts!! Pirating is possible too, but compared to the numbers of casual buyers, much less a problem (guess that's where they "get over it").

To execs this is unfortunately more than an "excuse" to only make crappy console ports for PC, since average student John and Mary are only gonna download it anyway and sales are marginal but still milkable with the "by-product". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
When it comes to sales, I will compare PC to PC sales and console to console sales. Ubi should do the same. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think they did. Ms-K did make the point that even PC Vegas 1&2 exponentially overcame the old R6/RS franchise sales numbers, probably in a way that renders even the factor "market growth" uninteresting (and console sales still outnumbering everything, mind you).

[Ubi.Vigil]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AWC_Pest:
Something must be in the works at UBI or the employees are so bored that they are stopping by these old forgotten forums. I see Vigil and Kimi popped in on the same day. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Genuinely no correlation, I didn't know Kimi had swung by. I'll look into the Raven Shield site too - it's not unusual for websites for older games to be redirected to the main publisher site after a while though.

[athenian]

Nonetheless, thanks for stopping by Vigil. Don't be a stranger.

[hsecrpntr]

I'd have to be honest, the only thing Ubi would have to say to make me feel better about them is them saying, word for word, " the general audiance of the game does not believe or games were up to par with expectations we sent out for them." They can't dress it up by saying "our games did not reach their potential" or even worse " we need more promotions to support the game". Thats not Ubi ammiting themselves they have a problem. If ubi did ammit they are the problem. Show me, and I will go away and ammit I am wrong.

[VastShadowz41]

I'm glad I ditched Far Cry 2 when I did. Pretty repetitive SP and multiplayer was terrible, rivaling Battlefield: Bad Company for me...

[Lethal1940]

Nice to see that Vigil made an appearance after 7 months .. even if it wasn't to announce a patch, or anything for that matter, concerning Vegas 2!

[AWC_Pest]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lethal1940:
Nice to see that Vigil made an appearance after 7 months .. even if it wasn't to announce a patch, or anything for that matter, concerning Vegas 2! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am sure they will start making appearances once a new R6 game gets announced.

I already have my questions ready that will ulitmately not be anwered before the game ships...like will it have hardcore mode(No health regen, no auto aim, and no 3rd person view), SADS, map editor, lean/prone, matching team uniforms...etc...etc...you know, the bare minimum requirements of a strategic FPS.

[Sir_SpankalotUK]

mind you its quite funny, that we have had an announcement about Ghost Recon (yes they are working on 1 and no they haven't even confirmed the number yet), and little all else.

I understand that there is going to be some competition in the tactical shooter market from other games, but surely if ubi start the ball rolling with info and screens etc, they will get a jump on the competitors PR machine.

I guess this is what happens when you trade values for stock holder happiness.

[athenian]

Between ArmA 2, OFP 2, Americas Army 3.0, and Sky Gods, UBI's little cracker jack Tom Clancy games don't stand a chance anymore.

[AWC_Pest]

I have a question for the UBI mods:

Why is Ubisoft Montreal programming a hardcore patch for Farcry2 when these same Ubisoft Montreal programmers failed to test the PC hardcore mode called "High Stakes" that only worked for one round in Vegas 2?

Is there are reason that after 8 months of claiming Vegas 2 can be patched to include the "High Stakes" mode that it hasn't been fixed to actually work but those programmers have time to make the same options for Farcry2?

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...531006437#2531006437 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=1521068375&m=8971018037&r=2531006437#2531006437)

[iamnotspamming]

<span class="ev_code_RED">EDIT</span>

[nkorfhage]

I found another example of a company that takes BI-DIRECTIONAL communication seriously. And, not surprisingly, its Valve. Check out the link.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/955/955254p1.html

Do you hear what Gabe Newell is saying Ubi? You can make even more money if you do more BI-Directional Communication!

[KibOsh]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Gabe Newell from Valve:
The crux of the Newell's address focused on the concept that direct communications with customers, transparency, and constant updates are the best ways to maximize profits from a product. In this way, Valve views its products as a service rather than a finished project. When the company shipped Team Fortress 2, work wasn't done. Rather, the team said, "Now we can start." The team has then gone on to ship 63 updates -- which include anything from bug fixes to new game modes -- to the game in just over 14 months. This can directly result in increased sales that would normally taper off over time. As Newell put it, "When you want to promote your product, you're going to use your customers to reach new customers."

Most interestingly, Newell extended this concept of service to an issue that strikes fear into the hearts of PC developers: Piracy. The issue with software pirates isn't that they won't pay money for games, he argued. After all, they are willing to pay thousands of dollars for PCs and hundreds more per year on internet connections. "What is the issue, is service. This is where pirates are ahead of us." When a person can't easily get access to your product, whether due to retail stores being far away, closed, or in another country entirely, they will look for alternate methods. Pirates offer that service where publishers often don't. Following this chain of logic, Newell claimed that DRM can encourage piracy because it actually removes service from the product by restricting its use. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>The man has a point!

Good link nkorfhage

[athenian]

I think Valve sees their games as a living item, something that adapts or morphs, if you will, as the life of the "service" continues. This provides an exceptional form of communication and value to the customer (the money btw). This sounds like a pretty good business model if you ask me.

UBI on the other hand they just thrown grenades on the table and see how many people they can get to jump on it. Once it's done then it's done. And they continue to throw more grenades as fast as they can.

I have been enjoying the hell out of Left 4 Dead. The versus mode is probably the most fun I have had in a MP game since Ravenshield. The amount of strategy that goes into the Versus mode makes the present day Tom Clancy games play like button smashing Lego games. L4D relies heavily on timing and teamwork. Something R6 used to be like.

Not saying that Gabe Newell is a god of gods but maybe UBI should hire him as a consultant or something to rething their business model.

[NOS.SPECTER]

I agree 100% athenian.

It is kind of sad when a fictional game requires more teamwork than a game specialized to do so.

Ubisoft, change is not always good!

[ilduce42O]

Yeah Valve's got the right idea...I just wish they would release a new Counter-Strike for consoles and then I would just say **** Rainbow Six since it has become so arcade-y anyway...CS with customizable characters and weapons and SUPPORT (that's unheard of lol), you got a Rainbow that's a lot better than Rainbow...

[Cons72]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nkorfhage:
I found another example of a company that takes BI-DIRECTIONAL communication seriously. And, not surprisingly, its Valve. Check out the link.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/955/955254p1.html

Do you hear what Gabe Newell is saying Ubi? You can make even more money if you do more BI-Directional Communication! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, that is just crazy talk. The man must be off his meds. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[xoops]

Just for your information...

Here is the kind of sales promotion the CEO was talking about in the last sales report: Tom Clancys EndWar with Free Game (http://digitalstore.ubi.com/7725/product/Buy-Tom-Clancy%27s-EndWar-w/-Free-Game-Download).

If you buy a copy of the PC version of End War for the full price (50$), then you get a free copy of the PC version of GRAW.

Interesting...

Let's make an evaluation of that sale promotion. More precisely, let's evaluate if there is any sort of compromise from Ubisoft into this deal.

First of all, we all know that Ubisoft acknowledges that some of its games failed to meet the required quality to get on the shelves. Now, we all know that End War belongs to these games, the CEO having explicitly mentioned that End War failed to spawn a new franchise because of quality issues.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but End War was supposed to be console-only, right? But now, SURPRISE, there is a PC version!

What does that tell me?

Well, that tells me that the bugs and glitches contained in one Ubisoft game are so manifold and grievously obvious that for the first time in the history of this company, it hurts sales of the game.

Now, to compensate from the losses, Ubisoft has decided to invest a tiny amount of money to do a straight port of the bunch of bugs to the PC platform in order to try to milk the PC market with the defective product.

Ubisoft acknowledging publicly that the game is subpar, some kind of ''sale promotion'' must be offered. Will Ubisoft put the game into the bargain bin for 9.99$ ? Nope! Ubisoft will do much better than that... Ubisoft will rather offer a free copy of another defective (but not totally broken) product that is three (3) years old and that does not sell anymore.

To sum up the story, not only Ubisoft is trying to compensate losses by selling a broken product to a new market for which the product was not originally intended, but Ubisoft is selling the broken product full price while trying to disguise the full price sale as a promotion. How does Ubisoft pretend that the deal is a promotion? By giving a free copy of another product that is three years old, that fails to sell anymore even in the bargain bins, and that itself failed to meet the ''required quality levels'' in its own time (in 2006).

In conclusion, even though Ubisoft acknowledged to release subpar quality products, did Ubisoft fulfilled its promise of doing proper ''sales promotions''? Nope! Did Ubisoft make any sort of compromise? Nope!

Ubisoft is just doing business as usual. The only difference is that never before, a corporation had so much ROFLs right in the collective face of its customers.

The most amazing thing is that Ubisoft will once again get away with this. As a said, business as usual...

[WhiteKnight77]

Interesting observations xoops.

[Sir_SpankalotUK]

its because of insights like these I am truely worried about the forth coming release of Ghost Recon . I am also not encouraged by the wiki pages for both Redstorm and ubisoft montreal. As both divisions/companies are claiming production of several titles in the Rainbow 6 Franchise (namely vegas 1 & 2). Did both companies work on these games or are the wiki's wrong?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Storm_Entertainment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubisoft_Montreal

[AWC_Pest]

Red Storm and UBI Montreal most likely have people working on them. They divide up some of the console work to one and some PC stuff to the other.

Don't think Red Storm's name means anything now. The good programmers are no longer with Red Storm and it is under UBI control. Check out blackfoot studios to see where some of RedStorm's talent went.

[xoops]

The Wikipedia pages lack rigor.

As far as I know:

Before 2000, RSE made:
- Rainbow Six (1998) and expansions
- Rogue Spear (1999) and most expansions

Unfortunate event of 2000: RSE is bought by Ubisoft !!!

After 2000, RSE made:
- Ghost Recon and expansion packs (2001, on the PC and then ported to Xbox)
- R6 Lockdown (2005, on the PS2 first and then ported to PC)

Ubisoft Montreal made:
- R6 Black Thorne (2001, an expansion for Rogue Spear)
- Raven Shield (2003)
- R6 lockdown (2005, on the Xbox)
- R6 Vegas 1&2 (2006, all platforms)

GRIN made:
- GRAW 1&2 (2006-2007, on the PC)

The console versions of GRAW 1&2 have been made by RSE and some UBI studios, like AWC_Pest said.

All the above info should be mostly right.

[Lethal1940]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sir_SpankalotUK:
its because of insights like these I am truely worried about the forth coming release of Ghost Recon . I am also not encouraged by the wiki pages for both Redstorm and ubisoft montreal. As both divisions/companies are claiming production of several titles in the Rainbow 6 Franchise (namely vegas 1 & 2). Did both companies work on these games or are the wiki's wrong?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Storm_Entertainment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubisoft_Montreal </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What do you think of Ubisoft as a brand/company???
(I checked the link in your sig .. 2 years old)

It would be interesting today to see what the response would be to this same question!!

When I think of Ubisoft today I think of:

Poor quality unfinished games!
Inability or unwillingness to fix games after release!
No support after the sale!
Absolutely no communication of any significance with the gaming community!
Complete abandonment of it's games and the gaming community after a few short months!

[Sir_SpankalotUK]

@lethal: yes, its some what telling that 2 years ago, people felt the same way, ubi have had time to change and fix things and I don't think anyone here would argue with your list of points either.

Hopefully the last few games released would have hit them hard, made ubi sit up and take notice, but I doubt it. The polishing of games seems to be the major factor now and is having a major impact on sales across the board, how many people are saying "it will be released when its ready". Its hard not to feel completely alienated by ubisoft and their lack of communication.

[Delta-Raphier]

This new Ubi's gathered 'hardcore' fanbase starts to scare me. Currently known defending Endwar and HAWX.

Which means there's no turning back to previous fanbase of Tom Clancy' realism.

[Lethal1940]

There are certain gamers who will continue to buy, (Or have their parents buy) new Ubisoft titles no matter how bad the are, or how many problems they have.
And you will usually see them in here defending Ubisoft until they get stuck with a game that doesn't work.

Then their story changes .. sometimes!!
I saw that happen several time with Far Cry 2!!!

[Cupidon_971]

I am new here but I have a taste of what this community has been going through, as I have read this thread up to page 80 completely(and others here and there). There is really nothing for me to add I'm sure. I am simply posting here to add my support, and to say that you all are correct for the most part. Before I found my way to this interesting forum, I had no idea how angry Ubi's core Rainbow Six base is. But I can tell you that you all are damn right to be angry, and so am I.
Although I knew of the broken products being sold to you and I by Ubi, I never knew a forum of this nature(not just this thread) could possibly exist with no developer/consumer communication. I am not on forums much(that may change), but I am part of the Bioware community. I can tell you this, it is like night and day when viewing these forums in comparison. The community there are the hardcore, longtime fans just like you all. The difference is there was a benevolant feeling there. We love the developers there because they finish there product, provide plenty of communication, and are generally all affable. In here I get the feeling that Ubi has these forums here only because they feel it necessary. I mean every other major development company have forums like these so they need too also. But it is obvious to me that the level of involvement Ubi has with you all is slim to none.
Well I can tell you all that you have opened my eyes even futher to Ubisoft, and I will be even more suspicious of them and more carefull the next time I am interested in a Ubi-developed title.
Thank you all for that, and I am glad and proud to be part of a community that has the guts to bite the hand that feeds them, when they are being fed contaminated food.

[Lethal1940]

Welcome to the Vegas forums Cupidon, and thanks for taking the time read the many posts and for posting with your views.

Several of those gamers who's posts you have read have been banned and are no longer with us!
For the most part those in charge are fairly tolerant, but there are certain rules they won't tolerate being broken!

That said:
There are thousands of gamers out there just like you and I and everyone else here, but most don't take the time to post there experience with Ubisoft products.

As I have mentioned several times in the past, I am part of a group of 30 plus gamers (and growing .. probably closer to 40 now since COD5).
All have had problems with either Vegas 1 or Vegas 2 or both.
Not one gamer from our group is playing either Vegas game any longer because of the many problems, and more so because of Ubisoft's lack of support!
Yet, I am the only one from that group who will take the time to post here.

I believe most of the gaming crowd is like that!
They just throw their Vegas disk aside when they have a problem, and move on to another title.

I choose not to give any more money to a disfunctional gaming company that releases broken games and refuses to support products after release!!

It's been nearly 10 months since we were told that someone was lookng into the problems with the Vegas 2 1.03 patch, and there has still been no word!!!

Pretty amazing when having a baby takes less time than getting a game patch!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

[AWC_Pest]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It's been nearly 10 months since we were told that someone was lookng into the problems with the Vegas 2 1.03 patch, and there has still been no word!!!

Pretty amazing when having a baby takes less time than getting a game patch!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The majority of UBI's problems come from either management deciding to make dumbed down games that they hope will appeal to the masses, or UBI Montreal's lack of programming ability and quality control. Vegas 1 and 2 as well as Farcry2 are great examples.

UBI Montreal never even figured out how to fix sound bugs on either Vegas 1 or 2. They didn't even bother to test the "High Stakes" mode on patch 1.3 to notice it only works for one round.

I try to make it a point to mention this on other forums when UBI Montreal is involved with a new game, but the mods and fans don't stand for that type of talk until it's too late.

[WhiteKnight77]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AWC_Pest:

I try to make it a point to mention this on other forums when UBI Montreal is involved with a new game, but the mods and fans don't stand for that type of talk until it's too late. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is the really sad part. Still, we get to rub salt in the wound with an I told you so.

[Sir_SpankalotUK]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lethal1940:
Pretty amazing when having a baby takes less time than getting a game patch!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
that quote made my day.

Given the amount of releases in the christmas season, its rather telling to see who is actually supporting their products with patches and DLC.

oh and welcome to Cupidon, hope you enjoy your stay.

[Lethal1940]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AWC_Pest:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It's been nearly 10 months since we were told that someone was lookng into the problems with the Vegas 2 1.03 patch, and there has still been no word!!!

Pretty amazing when having a baby takes less time than getting a game patch!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The majority of UBI's problems come from either management deciding to make dumbed down games that they hope will appeal to the masses, or UBI Montreal's lack of programming ability and quality control. Vegas 1 and 2 as well as Farcry2 are great examples.

UBI Montreal never even figured out how to fix sound bugs on either Vegas 1 or 2. They didn't even bother to test the "High Stakes" mode on patch 1.3 to notice it only works for one round.

I try to make it a point to mention this on other forums when UBI Montreal is involved with a new game, but the mods and fans don't stand for that type of talk until it's too late. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How true!!

A few of us questioned on the Far Cry 2 forum, before release, whether Ubisoft would support FC2 after release.
Both the Ubisoft reps. there and many from the gaming community blasted us pretty heavily!

Not long after release, these same gamers were in those same forums crying about the problems and no support with that game.

Not only can we have the satisfaction of saying "I told you so", but we also have the satisfaction of not having wasted our money on another broken Ubisoft title!!

I would much prefer that Ubisoft release finished products and fix what is broken after release.
It would be fun to play Vegas 2 without all the problems, issues and broken netcode!

It would also be much more enjoyable to come to this forum and chat with players about positive, fun game play, not how to get the game to play.

[eat.a.bullet]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote:
Originally posted by Lethal1940:
Pretty amazing when having a baby takes less time than getting a game patch!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

the best part about this is that it never occurred to me that my wife got preggo after i bought this and she is due before the game will be fixed...lol. Good call lethal!

[VastShadowz41]

I finally got around to selling Rainbow Six Vegas 1 and 2 a few days ago. I have no regrets and don't miss them in the slightest.

Thankfully I ducked their HAWX game, didn't even play the demo to it (flight games aren't my style anyway). I would've honestly enjoyed Endwar more if it weren't for their horrendous online lack of matchmaking and airstrike spammers. Good thing I just played the demo to it.

I rank Ubisoft just under EA Games for notorious developing companies so I'll be avoiding their products from now on. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Lethal1940]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by eat.a.bullet:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">quote:
Originally posted by Lethal1940:
Pretty amazing when having a baby takes less time than getting a game patch!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

the best part about this is that it never occurred to me that my wife got preggo after i bought this and she is due before the game will be fixed...lol. Good call lethal! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Congratulations Bullet! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
One thing for sure is:
You know that much more time, effort and pride were put into the quality of your product than Ubisoft ever puts into theirs.
You can also take comfort in knowing that your programming, testing and development stages are all far superior to Ubisoft's!!

And the end result will be a fully finished, quality product with great support and communication after release!!!!

This just proves that Ubisoft could learn a lot from the gaming community!!!

[eat.a.bullet]

thx lethal and once again u speak the truth.

[StrykerN]

LMAO Lethal .Like bullet said the way you put that was genious. And congrats bullet on your creation of a future gamer. By the time your child is old enough maybe UBI will have turned a 180 and started creating decent games with good support. Well I do live in a fools paradise.

[Cons72]

More typical Ubi. I am almost starting to feel sorry for them, as there problems just seem to repeat themselves over and over.

The latest... An announced free map pack for EndWar went on Xbox Live marketplace today for 400 Points. Now, who knows who goofed that up, but the exact same thing happened with a Vegas map pack AND Ubi sent out an e-mail saying a GRAW2 Map Pack would be 400 points, and it ended up being 800 points.

At least they are communicating with the customers about this case and say it is in fact an error and supposed to be free.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...745/m/1621079047/p/3 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8911019745/m/1621079047/p/3)

[evo_the_hero]

No disrespect to anyone on this forum but its been about a year since i was last on this forum i think i posted for the first time after that gap 2 days ago.
And to be honest NOTHING has changed for the better here.

As for changes overnight a company such as ubi does have the power to rectify this problem pretty much over night but lets face it how long ago did these problems surface and has anything been done??? NO.

So does that not tell you that nothing is going to be done??

im afraid on customer care ubi is a lost cause on all fronts including this forum.

The customer is always right because the customer is the one who pays the wages which keeps the company afloat. and reading through the posts this is lookin bad and has gotten to a very ugly state this saddens me because there is no need for it at all.

[Mendell]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AWC_Pest:

The majority of UBI's problems come from either management deciding to make dumbed down games that they hope will appeal to the masses, or UBI Montreal's lack of programming ability and quality control. Vegas 1 and 2 as well as Farcry2 are great examples.

UBI Montreal never even figured out how to fix sound bugs on either Vegas 1 or 2. They didn't even bother to test the "High Stakes" mode on patch 1.3 to notice it only works for one round.

I try to make it a point to mention this on other forums when UBI Montreal is involved with a new game, but the mods and fans don't stand for that type of talk until it's too late. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think marketing as alot to do with ubi's problems... think about it, even if they had, let's say 10-20% of their employees who are really competent, they still couldn't produce something good due to the added pressure from the people in suits who want the game released at a precise date so it won't mess their financial planning and the other employees who are inefficient/lazy...

[Lethal1940]

One thing for sure.. Ubisoft is among the best at marketing (Hype) new game titles coming out.

If they were half as good at developing games are they are at marketing, we would have very good games coming out of Montreal!!

[Mendell]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lethal1940:
One thing for sure.. Ubisoft is among the best at marketing (Hype) new game titles coming out.

If they were half as good at developing games are they are at marketing, we would have very good games coming out of Montreal!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

indeed,

that way of doing business might be profitable short term, but I don't think a company can sustain hype and unfinished games for an extended period of time... Then again there's still people thinking that everything that comes with ubisoft on it is great when their only great titles were done by other studios and distributed by ubisoft

[GSG_9_Rage]

Good to see this thread is still around.

[StrykerN]

Holy **** GSG_9_Rage you do exist. All this time I thought you were just a name added to the forums to make people think Kleaneasy had help http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

From the dealings I have had with tech.support I know Vigil is the only one working in that department. He just has a list of names to use when doing the cut & paste responces to peoples questions.

I am not trying to be rude or offend, you just caught me by surprise. So please don't remain a stranger in the future.

[Sir_SpankalotUK]

Games Radar has picked up on the problems with FC2 and the fact they havent been patched yet.
http://www.gamesradar.com/f/wa...-2009040710122446016 (http://www.gamesradar.com/f/warning-far-cry-2-is-still-a-broken-game/a-2009040710122446016)

Kotaku has also picked up on the piece
http://kotaku.com/5202507/patch-this-game-far-cry-2

not looking good for ubi especially considering most of the patches they do eventually release are broken in some way.

[nkorfhage]

Good links SirSpankALot. I made a promise to myself not buy any Ubisoft games after Vegas 2 until the company starts taking a new direction and then proves that by their actions instead of just saying they are changing. Multiple posters in this thread tried to warn FC2 fanboys about Ubisoft's lack of support and we were mocked. Now those same fanboys don't really care for the Ubisoft logo anymore on a game box. Can't say I'm surprised at all by the lack of support, which has been beaten to death on this thread. Respectable game companies like Valve would never allow 7 months to pass before a meaningfull update to fix game breaking bugs. The whole fiasco screams, "Hey, we don't care! We have your money. Go away now and forget this every happened." Yeah, well some us won't be fooled anymore. Someone has a sig in this community that says, "there's a sucker born every minute" how true in the video game industry.

[Lethal1940]

I started a thread in the FC2 forums before it was released questioning whether Ubisoft would support FC2 after release.
I was careful to use fact and to keep my comments directed toward FC2.

That thread was soon locked by CuZtds_Lst_Stnd
Far Cry Moderator, with the excuse that someone posted off topic!!!

Using this same excuse .. they could lock any thread in these forums as they most often go off topic at some point!!

Great excuse to get rid of one you don't want though!!!!

I guess they didn't want to hear negative commnents in the middle of the huge Hype campaign!!!

That thread is still there but long gone from exposure!!
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...375/m/8841054096/p/1 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1521068375/m/8841054096/p/1)

[Sir_SpankalotUK]

That thread is a good read, especially page 4

Kimi Said <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">And, if something isn't going to happen, we will do our darndest to keep you updated (and not bury our head in the sand) so that you aren't left hanging and wondering. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

kinda funny the way that ubisoft reps (FM's, CM's or whatever they are called), came flocking to attempt damage control. I think its plain and simple, ubisoft Montreal are working on too many titles and within such strict deadlines that they don't have the time to support their games properly. If the will was there, something would have been done to address people problems with the games coming out of that studio.

Lets face it most games from ubisoft seem to have a 6 month support cycle before its gets dumped, which is shocking for a development house/studio.

Whats also funny is I have recently started to play PC Games again, you get to see what companies are supporting their titles and how they are going about involvement with the community. I firmly believe some element within ubisoft, between the community/forum managers and the developers have actively decided that communities are not worth investing in. Maybe they are just too big to give a crap about us anymore.

I am starting to feel angry about this all over again.

[the_Monk-]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GSG_9_Rage:
Good to see this thread is still around. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Glad to see you're still around as well! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It's when us "old guard" finally leave the UBI-teat that things will get really bad....(though I'm not sure HOW exactly things could get worse......I just know they would!)


oh and...

ms-kleaneasy,

How about you schedule another one of those "meetings" with the powers that be and wallpaper someone's office with a printout of this thread? It (this thread) should be long enough to make a point by now? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

the Monk

[ms-kleaneasy]

If I printed out this thread we'd lose a rain forest http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[FireballU]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
If I printed out this thread we'd lose a rain forest http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, you could contact a toilet paper manufacturer and make lots of toilet rolls out of it - at least it would be read by the management (and everyone else) then! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

No, maybe just PDFize it or something and then use a projector. Gosh, that would be a long meeting.

[AWC_Pest]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It's when us "old guard" finally leave the UBI-teat that things will get really bad....(though I'm not sure HOW exactly things could get worse......I just know they would!) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When the old guard leaves, there will be nobody left to remind UBI that they used to have a unique franchise and not just another bad copy of the casual run n gun completely unrealistic games.

We will be left with the only forum suggestions being for BFG10000 gunz, l33t power ups and faster movement.

UBI has the power to be a leader and not a follower, but it's management lacks the guts to challenge the status quo.

[Lethal1940]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">UBI has the power to be a leader and not a follower, but it's management lacks the guts to challenge the status quo. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Shouldn't intelligence, common sense, and maybe even a little moral integrity figure into the equation somewhere, and at some point in time??

[wanderer_agro]

Well, I just finished the New Prince of Persia and that game was down right awesome. Yeah it's slightly easy, but that ties in with the games ethos of "flow", it flows beautifully. There's no replayability to it, but it doesn't matter. It's an experience, it's meant to evoke emotion and then you move on.

One of the most beautiful games I've ever played, standing on the top of Heavens stair and looking out onto the world is a sight to behold.

So props due to Ubi Montreal on that one.

[Lethal1940]

But does Prince of Persia have online multiplayer or single player only.

Most of the major issues in the Vegas series is do to multiplayer problems.
Single player is much easier to program and like you said .. not much replay value!

[KibOsh]

Hmm, a 121 pages thread about bad communications with Ubisoft, sitting a very long time in the Rainbow Six Forums and then somebody named "wanderer_agro" posts something about Prince of Persia being good?

Strange isn't it?

But anyway, I will not let a post like that sitting at the last page of this thread. So here we are again pushing it to page 122.

Not that I believe that Ubisoft will change, or that we will get updates to our still broken games, nope, just to be a pain in the *** for Ubisoft is the main reason I guess.

Yep, it has come to this. I guess everyone out there has lost their believes in Ubisoft. This is no longer a gaming company but it is a massive buy and throw away product maker. Next step will be child labour in some poor country just so they came make some more profits. Because that is all what Ubisoft wants. Making profits, getting richer,...

They are no longer interested in making good games, they clearly couldn't care less about their community.

Or they just don't know how anymore because all good devs have left Ubisoft a long time ago.

PS: Spend more money in actually creating a game and less in hyping it up! The game will sell itself.

[AWC_Pest]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lethal1940:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">UBI has the power to be a leader and not a follower, but it's management lacks the guts to challenge the status quo. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Shouldn't intelligence, common sense, and maybe even a little moral integrity figure into the equation somewhere, and at some point in time?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL...I wasn't going to ask for that much.

I was attempting to appeal to their greedy side and goad them into taking the original franchise they bought and expanding on it instead of trying to copy other games while also fullfilling some childish desire to produce movies instead of a game with replayability.

[wanderer_agro]

People, people, I understand your bickering, but cast aside your differences and play the astoundingly gorgeous game that is new Prince of Persia. It is better than your rainbow sixes and whatnots. Anyway, real men like myself preferred playing GRAW MP anyway, that's where the real action was at.

[Lethal1940]

Sorry .. but I won't purchase another Ubisoft title until they fix Vegas 2 and I don't think that will ever happen.
Saves me a lot of money!!!

And .. POP is an entirely different kind of game .. not what most of the gamers here play!

We are mostly FPS gamers, with preference for tactical realisim.
Not third person arcade!
Even though Ubisoft is trying to force their FPS's toward the end!!

If POP is what you like .. that is your choice!
To each their own liking!!
I don't care how pretty a game is .. it's the game play that counts for me!!

And everyone I know plays online and likes a co-op option!

[wanderer_agro]

Tactical realism.... what?

Were you the guy on the 360 speaking gibberish when I was online last year?

"Alpha Cub this is Papa Bear, do you have visualisation on T?"

"Roger, Papa Bear, T has been neutralised"

LMAO.

[ERN456]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wanderer_agro:
Tactical realism.... what?

Were you the guy on the 360 speaking gibberish when I was online last year?

"Alpha Cub this is Papa Bear, do you have visualisation on T?"

"Roger, Papa Bear, T has been neutralised"

LMAO. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lol he has a PC not a 360 dummy. I agree with him there should be tactical realism in this game, if you ever played the Raven Shield, RS3 or Black Arrow you'd understand. I don't know who would want to play the new Prince of Persia in this forum, most people here aren't interested in playing dumbed down games that look pretty.

[wanderer_agro]

There's nothing dumbed down about Prince of Persia. The game flows as it should. Is a decent 10 hour length for a single player adventure and plays arguably even better than the Sands of Time. They took out the focus from combat as seen in the last two PoP games and instead focused on the adventuring aspect. Collecting light seeds is a puzzle in and of itself, like self contained puzzles.

That's the thing with obnoxious gamers you guys can't understand the true artistry that goes into games like PoP, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, which is why I am a gaming connoisseur and you people aren't. It's the reason why Ubisoft has to move away from creating gaming "experiences" and instead focus on blastathons, shoot people in the face gameplay.

[eat.a.bullet]

unless prince of Persia that u so love was on the pc, please go the the console forum so we don't have to hear your useless comparisons. they are separated for a reason and u are showing why.

[wanderer_agro]

Instead of whining about Rainbow Six you so called gamers should be asking when Beyond Good and Evil 2 is coming out. That's what a true gamer would ask on these boards.

By the way when is BG&E2 coming out Ubi?

[wanderer_agro]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by eat.a.bullet:
unless prince of Persia that u so love was on the pc, please go the the console forum so we don't have to hear your useless comparisons. they are separated for a reason and u are showing why. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh I'm sorry I offended the elitist PC gamer, with his superior tactical skills in blasting people in the face. Give it a ******* rest will ya. PoP is as much a game as any other. You play it, you experience it. What gets me is the pathetic idiots who think playing a "tactical" FPS is somehow training them to take down terrorists in real life situations. It's the elitist BS which gets up peoples noses.

Oh and just for the ownage, the new Prince of Persia is on the PC, google it, shows how much you know about gaming.

[Lethal1940]

In case you aren't aware .. You are in a Vegas forum, and the last I knew, that would be the correct forum for discussing the Vegas series of games.

Most gamers here aren't interested in a pretty, single player arcade game!!

You have the right to play whatever game you like, but why not post your comments in the correct forum where you have players with like interests??

At present .. all 6 of your very first posts as an Ubisoft forum member have been in this one thread in a Vegas forum??!!!

[eat.a.bullet]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wanderer_agro:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by eat.a.bullet:
unless prince of Persia that u so love was on the pc, please go the the console forum so we don't have to hear your useless comparisons. they are separated for a reason and u are showing why. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh I'm sorry I offended the elitist PC gamer, with his superior tactical skills in blasting people in the face. Give it a ******* rest will ya. PoP is as much a game as any other. You play it, you experience it. What gets me is the pathetic idiots who think playing a "tactical" FPS is somehow training them to take down terrorists in real life situations. It's the elitist BS which gets up peoples noses.

Oh and just for the ownage, the new Prince of Persia is on the PC, google it, shows how much you know about gaming. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

if u could read correctly i said unless it was on pc. so i obviously know that it could be on pc. and most importantly if anyone wanted to talk about prince of persia then they would be in that forum. on a side note who have u met that thinks fps are training for real life, they may be a little unstable with their grasp on reality.

[WhiteKnight77]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wanderer_agro:
There's nothing dumbed down about Prince of Persia. The game flows as it should. Is a decent 10 hour length for a single player adventure and plays arguably even better than the Sands of Time. They took out the focus from combat as seen in the last two PoP games and instead focused on the adventuring aspect. Collecting light seeds is a puzzle in and of itself, like self contained puzzles.

That's the thing with obnoxious gamers you guys can't understand the true artistry that goes into games like PoP, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, which is why I am a gaming connoisseur and you people aren't. It's the reason why Ubisoft has to move away from creating gaming "experiences" and instead focus on blastathons, shoot people in the face gameplay. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So what is the point of PoP then if not to kill someone? Is it just a puzzle game then? No, you have the ability to kill someone with swords and make impossible moves that no human can do, and as one game reviewer noted, "be a monkey." PoP is a combat game just as R6 has become. It just includes, as many games do, features that make it different whether it be puzzles or whatnot.

Also, you note 10 hours of game length. I like a game that plays for weeks. The original games played for weeks, not hours. One could not play 2 levels (in R6 speak, missions) back to back as there was no instant health regeneration. You just hinted at your lack of concentration.

You talk about obnoxious gamers and cite reasons why and you are also talking about yourself. Personally, I know there are many types of games out there and that they are aimed at different types of gamers. I just have a very narrow type of game preference and adventure/fantasy is not one of them as it appears Tac-Sims is not one of yours.

Oh, I like (at least the first two) R6/GR series due to my previous military experience. Can you say the same for your like of the PoP series? Were you swordsmith in an early art of your life?

[AWC_Pest]

Who let the troll in?

I think we need to stop feeding him.

/ignore troll

FYI - This thread is linked from the console Vegas forum as well so we will get both console and PC people in here that are fed up with UBI's lack of communication and support.

[Sir_SpankalotUK]

Please Ms.K. don't let this thread wander off topic.

It's too important to the members of the Rainbow 6 series forum to be locked. I would ask that posts related to other games be directed to the appropriate forums.

[AWC_Pest]

Let's talk about communication.

Here is an example of good communication from Activision about COD4 MW2 that will be released in November:

http://www.digitalspy.com/gami...time-top-seller.html (http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/a151785/cod-sequel-to-be-all-time-top-seller.html)

They talk about ""Each year the Call Of Duty franchise goes from strength to strength," Activision brand manager Simon Wells told MCV.

So, if Activision can go back and make a second more advanced version of COD4 after COD5 was released, why can't UBI go back and release Rainbow Six Ravenshield 2 and let people that like respawn, health regen, magic 3rd person randomly colored mercenary games with no map editor keep playing Vegas games?

[WhiteKnight77]

Here is something from the EA CEO:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Electronic Arts CEO John Riccitiello is very sorry about what happened to Bullfrog. And Westwood. And Origin Systems.

"We at EA blew it, and to a degree I was involved in these things, so I blew it." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Source: EA's CEO: How I Learned To Acquire Developers And Not Screw Them Up (http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/02/riccitiello.html).

A CEO who communicates to those who buy his company's games. Who woulda thought?

[Lethal1940]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sir_SpankalotUK:
Please Ms.K. don't let this thread wander off topic.

It's too important to the members of the Rainbow 6 series forum to be locked. I would ask that posts related to other games be directed to the appropriate forums. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My thoughts exactly!!!

I have seen warnings .. posts moved .. and an entire thread I started in the Far Cry 2 forum was locked using off topic posting as an excuse.

Ms K wouldn't do that, but it would be nice when someone comes here hyping a game that has nothing to do with this forum, and starts flamming long time members .. that at least a warning or caution could be given!

This was this guys first time posting ever in Ubisoft forums so he has no idea of what this forum or the Vegas series is all about!!
Yet he wants to hype a third person arcade game and flame anyone who doesn't agree!

[athenian]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AWC_Pest:
Let's talk about communication.

Here is an example of good communication from Activision about COD4 MW2 that will be released in November:

http://www.digitalspy.com/gami...time-top-seller.html (http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/a151785/cod-sequel-to-be-all-time-top-seller.html)

They talk about ""Each year the Call Of Duty franchise goes from strength to strength," Activision brand manager Simon Wells told MCV.

So, if Activision can go back and make a second more advanced version of COD4 after COD5 was released, why can't UBI go back and release Rainbow Six Ravenshield 2 and let people that like respawn, health regen, magic 3rd person randomly colored mercenary games with no map editor keep playing Vegas games? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because the same dev group who started Call of Duty is still making them. Same can't be said for R6. Sure Treyarch made COD3 (Console only) and COD 5, but much of the leg work for those two were done by Infity Ward in COD 2 and COD4.

Though why they didn't just build off of Ravenshield is beyond me. It was popular on both consoles and PC. Instead they tried to re-invent R6 with Vegas like they did with Lockdown.

[AWC_Pest]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Though why they didn't just build off of Ravenshield is beyond me. It was popular on both consoles and PC. Instead they tried to re-invent R6 with Vegas like they did with Lockdown. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

UBI has proven they will take any manager's idea and run with it and slap the Rainbow Six and Tom Clancy name on it to sucker people in. Lockdown was a cheap feeling knockoff of an R6 game that had the benefit of being produced by UBI so it got to wear the R6 name.

The feeling of Vegas has absolutely nothing to do with the Clancy books or Rainbow Six. Since when did teams of counter terrorism units all dress in whatever random colored non matching uniform they wanted to and magically look around walls while losing the ability to lean or go prone?

Now, even if they go back to anything resembling a strategic FPS, we will be stuck with respawn fans in these forums that want their magical cheat views, aim assist, and health regen.

If an UBI person does actually attempt to answer your question, they will claim that Vegas has sold many more copies than Ravenshield so they must have done something right.

What they won't tell you, is that the number of consoles Vegas was programmed for and the number of people that own consoles increased at a much higher rate than sales of Vegas did compared with Ravenshield. Of course Vegas would have sold more copies than Ravenshield. It has a MUCH bigger audiance now.

There is nothing to prove that a Ravenshield style sequel wouldn't have pounded Vegas sales into the ground.

[AWC_Pest]

I would expect to see some communication from UBI soon with more release dates.

They recently released a new trailer and more details about Assassin's Creed II which is being done by UBI Montreal. At least UBI Montreal can handle single player movie style games pretty well.

From the last few years it looks like UBI Montreal can handle about 6 games released each year and there are only 3 that have been publicly announced so far that they are working on.

They must be working on many more games right now unless they laid off a bunch of people. The question is, when will they start announcing it.

Will the next Rainbow Six be using the Unreal 3 engine again and make use of the character models from Vegas 1 and 2?

Will they switch to their proprietary in-house Dunia engine with Havok physics like they used on Farcry 2?

I am sure we will be the last to know in these forums.

[GSG_9_Rage]

Honestly, I probably won't buy the new Rainbow Six, but I am curious to know where it is going to take place.

[Lethal1940]

Nice to see you back Rage! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

A man of few words but gets his point across! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Unless Ubisoft changes course with it's quality of products and support .. I won't be buying any Ubisoft products!!

[AWC_Pest]

Even though many of us on here warned Farcry fans what to expect with Farcry2 beind done by Ubi Montreal, and had threads locked, removed, and ridiculed, we get the last laugh.

Below is the current Farcry2 thread complaining that there is no communication about a patch promised months ago. In it, Community Developer Kimi says "Atmon doesn't have any further update information than what was last posted. In terms of communicating with you guys, would it help you guys if even a message was posted once a week saying "nothing new, carry on"? Or would it be just as aggravating as no news? Feedback is appreciated to know what you prefer in a situation when there's a span of time with nothing to share."


http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1068375/m/9111011647 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1521068375/m/9111011647)

To prove things never change around here, the thread below is from August of 2004 regarding no commnication about a promised Ravenshield patch. Oh, and Kimi is in it too as a moderator. Somehow between then and now she forgot that fans of a game DO WANT communication:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1862/m/267108526/p/1 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8081011862/m/267108526/p/1)

Absolutely nothing has changed around here in 5 years. UBI still won't allow progress updates in order to show some respect to the fans of thier games so they have to keep checking back for the actual patch release...if there ever is one.

[Lethal1940]

It's really interesting how things change after a game is released by Ubisoft!!!!!

I started this thread that got locked using a lame excuse.

Read Kimi's response here to my quesion about Ubisoft's support for Far Cry 2 after release:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...375/m/8841054096/p/1 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1521068375/m/8841054096/p/1)

Same Hype!!!
Same outcome!!!!

Vegas 1
Vegas 2
Far Cry 2
And many other Ubisoft titles!!!!
The Saga continues!!!!

[GSG_9_Rage]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lethal1940:
Nice to see you back Rage! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

A man of few words but gets his point across! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Unless Ubisoft changes course with it's quality of products and support .. I won't be buying any Ubisoft products!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Glad to be back. I've been kinda ghosting the forums for the past few weeks. Seems as if I haven't missed much.

[AWC_Pest]

I would think at some point, UBI Montreal will either have to produce a good multiplayer game, or at least keep in communication with the fans and have patches to fix it.

They now have Vegas, Farcry 2, and Vegas 2 as recent UBI Montreal games that have been really buggy with little support and no real communication after release but plenty of hype before.

Do they understand, that if they do not get it right on future titles the forums become useless to them because we will continue to bring up these past failures to counter their fake hype?

Someday, they need to actually do it right so they have something good to point to. Eventually, even the public that does not come here should start to get a clue that UBI on the cover means move along...

[athenian]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Someday, they need to actually do it right so they have something good to point to. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed. They need to make at least ONE GREAT game (Hopefully R6). Vegas 1, 2 and FC2 were borderline good but far from great. Most of the reasone those were not great games was the never ending bugs, some major some minor. Though most of the those could have been rectified by post-release support, but we all know what stance UBI Montreal takes on that issue.

It amazes me in the difference between Valve and UBI. Valve released some FREE content for L4D, that turned out to have a few glitches and bugs. The very next day they released a small patch to fix them. Not months later. This was for the PC version I don't know issues to the 360 version.

Look at the Steam forums and there are relatively very few "Valve Bashing" threads as opposed to these forums where almost every thread is about "UBI Bashing". Not saying that Valve is the greatest devloper/publisher around, but they at least know how to take care of their customers.

*Off-Topic* If you haven't tried L4D, I would definately recommend it. I didn't think I was going to like, but after only playing a few rounds of Versus, I was hooked.

[the_Monk-]

boo!

No news/communication is NOT good news, when it's UBI ("the Company") we're talking about! :P

So ms-kleaneasy when was the last time you "rattled" the UBI-tree? Give us something to look forward to at least? You know, like you did in the first few pages of this thread.....where you state:

"things are changing, they just don't change overnight"

...well we're almost exacly ONE YEAR after me having started this (now evidently futile debacle) thread. As a result, I'd say we've long since passed the " []....change overnight.." point wouldn't you say?!?

the Monk

[xoops]

"Here at Ubisoft, things are changing; they just don't change over decades"

[Aj6627]

Well, I got to do my Ubi rating/bashing on a Developer Rating survey for Game Developer magazine. They were asking for rating of developers, so I rated Ubi Montreal, Bungie, Infinity Ward, Ubi Shanghai, and Epic. Montreal got a 3 for lack of support and not listening to customers at all. Shanghai got a 5 for at least listening to customers somewhat. The rest got &gt;7!

[Sir_SpankalotUK]

I really don't think anyone here actually put any weight to that statement.

Things won't change at UBI until they are forced too, like if they put out a top selling AAA title, actually scrub that line of thought as thats not *EVER* going to happen.

[xoops]

As long as the current CEO is head of the company, things are certainly not going to change. The arrogance of Ubisoft is a direct legacy of the nature and culture of the CEO.

In a path toward a corporation in working order, the first bug to fix is the head of Ubisoft.

Message to the board of directors: FIRE the clueless guy and replace him by someone who has an understanding of the customers and their needs.

[Lethal1940]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xoops:
As long as the current CEO is head of the company, things are certainly not going to change. The arrogance of Ubisoft is a direct legacy of the nature and culture of the CEO.

In a path toward a corporation in working order, the first bug to fix is the head of Ubisoft.

Message to the board of directors: FIRE the clueless guy and replace him by someone who has an understanding of the customers and their needs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I second that!!
He and others around him have absolutely no clue what is going on in the real gaming world!!

[Aj6627]

That's because he is so closed-minded that he only cares about making money, and not making more money by pleasing the fans.

[Rodriquezz]

Get over it Ubisoft is one of those companies, who care more about money and profit, quantity instead of quality, and cosumer are secondary after profit.

Rainbow Six Vegas 2 is a disgrace, everything is unfinished, the level design is boring and empty, enemy AI is a joke. They should look

All their recent games are half-hearted games which are released in an unfinished state, they use hype to blind the people and then when they have your money they do not respond, or give proper support.

You wanna know which compüany is a good one? Valve, they care about the quality of their games and they care about the community around it, that's how it should be.

[Aj6627]

Julian, there is no need for getting juvenile on someone who disagrees with you. Ubisoft doesn't do business right, and that is fact. Valve does a much better job of listening to their customers. Actual devs(not community devs) post on their forums and read their forums.

[Lethal1940]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Go play Valve games, nobody invited you in the club anyway, plus you can't get a good latency ping on your mom's laptop.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why the personal attack?

Rodriquezz simply stated some facts about Ubisoft games that were true, and his opinion of what he believes is good.
Everyone should be entitled to their opinion.
I didn't see any personal attacks from him on anyone here.

I don't believe anyone actually invited any of us to this "Club"!

[Aj6627]

@Lethal: I invited your mom to the club, but she never showed.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


j/khttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

[Lethal1940]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aj6627:
@Lethal: I invited your mom to the club, but she never showed.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif


j/khttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was nice of you Aj, but she probably never received it!!

My mother just turned 88 on April 21st. and doesn't even have a computer.
I have offered to give her one, but she has absolutely no interest in computers!!

But hey, if the club has dancing, she would probably love to join.
She is still very active for her age!!
(Actually, she is probably more active than most people much younger than her)

I only hope I do as well if I live that long!!

[Aj6627]

Does teabagging by little kids in the club count as dancing?http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

[GSG_9_Rage]

So let's talk communication, now that I was booted from the moderator club...

[Lethal1940]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GSG_9_Rage:
So let's talk communication, now that I was booted from the moderator club... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry you got booted Rage!!
But then you never did bow to the Ubisoft fraud machine!!

Always respected you for that!!!

Respect, integrity, competence, and a few other qualities, are attributes that Ubisoft has no clue as to the meaning of!!

[xoops]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GSG_9_Rage:
So let's talk communication, now that I was booted from the moderator club... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WhiteNight77, TW_Night_Fox, and now, you...

The list of hardcore fans of the original Tom Clancy brand that have been booted from the mod team starts to grow! I think I can draw straightforward conclusions from that...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lethal1940:
Sorry you got booted Rage!!
But then you never did bow to the Ubisoft fraud machine!!

Always respected you for that!!!

Respect, integrity, competence, and a few other qualities, are attributes that Ubisoft has no clue as to the meaning of!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now Lethal, you take ALL those words right out of my mouth!

Nobody else could have said it better. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

[ms-kleaneasy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lethal1940:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GSG_9_Rage:
So let's talk communication, now that I was booted from the moderator club... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry you got booted Rage!!
But then you never did bow to the Ubisoft fraud machine!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rages removal from the team had nothing to do with bowing or not but this really isnt a matter for discussion on the public forum, that goes to everyone

[GSG_9_Rage]

Thanks for your support guys. I really appreciate it! But klean is right, let's keep this thread on topic.

So I've been wondering for a while, whatever happened to our community developer who was supposed to keep in contact with us and keep us updated?

[ms-kleaneasy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GSG_9_Rage:
So I've been wondering for a while, whatever happened to our community developer who was supposed to keep in contact with us and keep us updated? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I posted about that a while ago, quite some months now although I couldnt say exactly how many off the top of my head.

Levelup left the company a while ago now, hence you've not seen him communicating on the board http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[GSG_9_Rage]

In that case, where is his replacement?

[athenian]

Why do we need another Community Developer? There's no new R6 game to hype and then disappear.

[the_Monk-]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by the_Monk-:
boo!

No news/communication is NOT good news, when it's UBI ("the Company") we're talking about! :P

So ms-kleaneasy when was the last time you "rattled" the UBI-tree? Give us something to look forward to at least? You know, like you did in the first few pages of this thread.....where you state:

"things are changing, they just don't change overnight"

...well we're almost exacly ONE YEAR after me having started this (now evidently futile debacle) thread. As a result, I'd say we've long since passed the " []....change overnight.." point wouldn't you say?!?

the Monk </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Lethal1940]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GSG_9_Rage:
So I've been wondering for a while, whatever happened to our community developer who was supposed to keep in contact with us and keep us updated? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I posted about that a while ago, quite some months now although I couldnt say exactly how many off the top of my head.

Levelup left the company a while ago now, hence you've not seen him communicating on the board http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What happeded to Vigil??
It has been nearly a year since he expressed concern about the problems with the 1.03 patch in the 1.03 bug list!

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1021386/m/9441085076 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6381021386/m/9441085076)

Never any response either way!!

We are still waiting!!

[AWC_Pest]

UBI Vigil has moved on to promoting Call of Juarez.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/9901090327

He is very attentive to that forum since that game hasn't suckered people into buying it yet.

[Mendell]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
Levelup left the company a while ago now, hence you've not seen him communicating on the board http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

one down, keep up the good work ppl!

[GSG_9_Rage]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mendell:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
Levelup left the company a while ago now, hence you've not seen him communicating on the board http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

one down, keep up the good work ppl! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[ms-kleaneasy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lethal1940:
What happeded to Vigil??
It has been nearly a year since he expressed concern about the problems with the 1.03 patch in the 1.03 bug list!

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1021386/m/9441085076 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6381021386/m/9441085076)

Never any response either way!!

We are still waiting!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was pursued, has been by us all we've just not been able to establish a firm answer thus we've had nothing to report back on http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

There's only so many times I can say there's no new news, and the same applies for Vigil

[Lethal1940]

I agree with you Ms Kleaneasy and have actually defended your postion in these forums in the past!
If you aren't provided with information .. it is impossible to pass on something you don't have!!

But, .. It would seem that there would/should have been some response to the questions Vigil presented to Ubisoft, and we deserve some form of answer, even if it is that Ubisoft is unable, or unwilling to persue Vegas 2 any longer and offer a logical explaination as to why Vegas 2 was never or will never be fixed and finished.
(It is difficult to believe that Ubisoft would totally ignore Vigil and not provide some type of answer to him)

At least we could have a little respect for Ubisoft for being honest and letting us know what their intentions for the game are!!!

I realize that you have posted a couple of times that you felt there would be no further support.
But we have never received an official announcement or even a comment from Ubisoft that would confirm that position once and for all!!

The following example is on a different scale but the same principle.

I purchased a new 2009 Pontiac Vibe due to fuel costs in July of last year.
GM has announced they will drop the Pontiac brand in 2010!

I have already received four (4) personal notices from GM assuring me that I will receive full support and service through any Chevrolet, Buick, or GMC dealer for the duration of my 5 year, 100,000 mile warranty, and beyond!
I would call that great communication, support, and service!!

It would seem that Ubisoft could provide at least some substantive communication if nothing else!!!

[xoops]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lethal1940:
GM has announced they will drop the Pontiac brand in 2010!

I have already received four (4) personal notices from GM assuring me that I will receive full support and service through any Chevrolet, Buick, or GMC dealer for the duration of my 5 year, 100,000 mile warranty, and beyond!
I would call that great communication, support, and service!!

It would seem that Ubisoft could provide at least some substantive communication if nothing else!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here is another example of the spectacular difference between GM and Ubisoft: GM's mea culpa (http://www.autonews.com/assets/PDF/CA59166128.PDF).

<span class="ev_code_red">''We acknowledge we have disappointed you. At times we violated your trust by letting our quality fall below industry standards and our designs become lackluster. We have proliferated our brands [...] to the point where we lost adequate focus on our core market''.</span>

That sentence could be used by Ubisoft word for word, but it's fair to expect pigs flying long before we see that kind of candid communication from UBI.

EDIT:

I forgot to mention yet another difference between GM and Ubisoft. As much as both companies have their problems coming from the same source (the gross incompetence of their respective CEOs), only one of them got that aggravating problem flushed: GM (thanks to Barack Obama).

It's too bad that Nicolas Sarkozy won't insist for Ubisoft to solve its own problem to the source... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[GSG_9_Rage]

Maybe Ubisoft will get a bailout. NOT!

[Mig-29]

Wow this tread is still alive, last time I checked this was in 2008. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

[GSG_9_Rage]

Yeah, it's been around for a while now. Everytime I think we've exhausted every point there is, we find new ones to discuss.

[Rogue__Spear]

Ubi's fail knows no ends.

[Lethal1940]

Too bad the subject of the thread has never been adhered to.
We have done our part as the Ubisoft gaming community, but Ubisoft chose not to participate!!

We do have a couple of Ubi employees who done their best to keep us informed that nothing new has happpened, but it doesn' take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

Gheeeeez!!
Even I caught on after a year of no word from Ubisoft.

Hey!! Don't laugh!!
There are a few who still defend Ubisoft for doing absolutely nothing!!!

[GSG_9_Rage]

Yeah, I'm getting pretty fed up with it.

[AWC_Pest]

Over on the Farcry 2 forums more than 3 months ago, they announced that a patch would be out soon to add hardcore mode and fix a bunch of specific really bad issues (game saves were broken). Today they finally released that patch but so far only for the Xbox saying that the PC and other console would be out soon.

The bad part wasn't just making people wait 3 months for the patch. The bad part was they didn't communicate at all about progress on the patch. Perhaps once a month they would get the generic "We have no updates at this time" that we get on here. Tons of people left the game when they got tired of waiting.

[Lethal1940]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AWC_Pest:
Over on the Farcry 2 forums more than 3 months ago, they announced that a patch would be out soon to add hardcore mode and fix a bunch of specific really bad issues (game saves were broken). Today they finally released that patch but so far only for the Xbox saying that the PC and other console would be out soon.

The bad part wasn't just making people wait 3 months for the patch. The bad part was they didn't communicate at all about progress on the patch. Perhaps once a month they would get the generic "We have no updates at this time" that we get on here. Tons of people left the game when they got tired of waiting. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm surprised Ubisoft released anything after 3 months!
We have been waiting for a year with Vegas 2!

Ubisoft's plans and marketing are once again successful!

Most players quit the game when it didn't work, but will still buy Ubisoft's next attempt at producing a game whenever it is released!!!
(Or get their parents to buy it)

Gamers soon forget how they got stung .. Once!! Twice!!! Three times!!! How many more before they learn?????????!!!!!!!

[GSG_9_Rage]

I learned before I got stung. When I heard the buzzing of the Lockdown bee hive, I proceeded with caution and avoided it.

[RMTTEXAS]

If Ubi does make a new Far Cry, I will not buy it. If Ubi makes another Ghost Recon game, I won't buy that either. If I see anything with the slightest connection to Ubi, I won't buy it either, unless it's a specially designed microwave for destroying Ubi games. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

[GSG_9_Rage]

I'm continuing my 6 year streak of Ubisoft free gaming. I promised that I would not buy a single Ubisoft until a proper Rainbow Six game is made. Has not occurred yet.

[WhiteKnight77]

There has only been one Ubi game that I bought in the last 3 years, iL2 1946. I haven't bought a R6 game since BT came out.

[Lethal1940]

Vegas 1 came free with a video card.
I did buy Vegas 2 at a discount!

Haven't bought an Ubisoft game since and have no plans to.

Ubisoft has a long way to go to prove themselves worthy of my money!!!!!

[StrykerN]

Sorry to say I got Vegas at a discount,but paid the long buck for Vegas2. I sure will be more careful in the future. Like the rest of you I will watch for good input at the forums before buying again. It would seem like someone at UBI would be listening to the fan base and clean up their act. But I have seen post from time gone by and still no improvements. "NUFF" said. Good shopping Lethal.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

[Lethal1940]

WOW!
I just saw that xoops got suspended!
The old crowd is dropping like flies!!!

[GSG_9_Rage]

They are just suspended. They will be let back in 1 to 2 weeks.

[Aj6627]

What did Lethal do?

[GSG_9_Rage]

I don't know.

[athenian]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lethal1940:
WOW!
I just saw that xoops got suspended!
The old crowd is dropping like flies!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This was his last post and now he's suspended..

[ms-kleaneasy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by athenian:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lethal1940:
WOW!
I just saw that xoops got suspended!
The old crowd is dropping like flies!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This was his last post and now he's suspended.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didnt suspend him but on looking that wasnt his last post, the post in question has been moved and I'm sorry to say did warrant suspension.

That said this isnt the place to discuss member suspensions.

Lethal will be back soon enough

[GSG_9_Rage]

I hope so. I miss him already http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

[the_Monk-]

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Seriously UBI ("the Company"), the "fizzle" in terms of communication between you UBI ("the Company") and us ("your Community") has become so painfully obvious since the first bloody page of this thread, that all us in here might as well be "suspended".

Surely, you UBI ("the Company") must realize that we are feeling this way? Why don't you tell me what I need to do in order to get my *** suspended?

Then after my 1-2 week "suspension" I'll come back, and post about how it made me feel, and if in fact I would feel any different than I do today, looking at this gigantic thread wherein all of us ("your Community") already seem "suspended" buy the company we entrusted our money to!

At this point, the only thing that would engage some of us, is having front-row seats to the spectacle of your demise UBI ("the Company"). How sad is that?

[StrykerN]

the_Monk-

I see you were the creater of this post a while back so I guess you are the go to person for this question. I see at the bottom of your post BIDIRECTIONAL communication. This has me confused because from my understanding bidirectional means both ways. I don't recall seeing much coming into the forums from UBI. Am I missing something?

Also if you are serious about getting your *** suspended P.M me and I will send you Lethal's E-Mail Address. He can fill you in on how to get suspended without even being given a warning.

Also anyone needing aid from Lethal I have his permission to pass along his E-Mail Addy until his rights are returned. P.M. me and I will foreward it to you(unless UBI blocks the transfer).

[Mig-29]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GSG_9_Rage:
Yeah, it's been around for a while now. Everytime I think we've exhausted every point there is, we find new ones to discuss. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Summarize everything now. All the issues, everything. No longer than three sentences.

Seriously what exactly is the problem? I heard it was a respawn trigger not functioning.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rogue__Spear:
Ubi's fail knows no ends. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

[JulianRoyal]

Long Live RS
RS 2010 Movie

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0414429/

See you regular 'online real players that play the game and respect it' for some nice terr hunt action..look for east coast servers..

[Mig-29]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JulianRoyal:
Long Live RS
RS 2010 Movie

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0414429/

See you regular 'online real players that play the game and respect it' for some nice terr hunt action..look for east coast servers.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It better not be directed by Uwe Boll

Edit: Will it be based on the book or game?

[JulianRoyal]

Real Film, real movie - it will be a great one.
Rainbow Six 2010

[Mendell]

off topic but I'll answer

this movie is supposed to be based on the book, according to the cast (which at some point was available). But for many reasons, the supposed cast (actor selected) changed through the years while the movie was delayed... This has been quite some time now that this movie is supposed to be worked on but without true results...

[WhiteKnight77]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mig-29:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JulianRoyal:
Long Live RS
RS 2010 Movie

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0414429/

See you regular 'online real players that play the game and respect it' for some nice terr hunt action..look for east coast servers.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It better not be directed by Uwe Boll

Edit: Will it be based on the book or game? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

R6 the movie has been in the works for some 10 years (somewhere thereabouts at least) and will be based on the book. Ubi will have nothing to do with it as they do not own the rights to the movie, Paramount Pictures does.

[athenian]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
R6 the movie has been in the works for some 10 years (somewhere thereabouts at least) and will be based on the book. Ubi will have nothing to do with it as they do not own the rights to the movie, Paramount Pictures does. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thankfully

[WhiteKnight77]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by athenian:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
R6 the movie has been in the works for some 10 years (somewhere thereabouts at least) and will be based on the book. Ubi will have nothing to do with it as they do not own the rights to the movie, Paramount Pictures does. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thankfully </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, thankfully. I honestly think Ubi would mess up a ________ dream (insert your own adjective in the blank).

[Mig-29]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WhiteKnight77:
Yes, thankfully. I honestly think Ubi would mess up a commie's dream. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


That aside, According to wikipedia. John Woo is directing the movie

I don't have anything against the guy himself but some of the movies he directed left a very negative impression me. Windtalkers, Broken Arrow and Face-off to name a few. They seemed just so far fetched. I'm not sure what to expect from this movie though.

[Mendell]

come on, broken arrow wasn't that bad... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

and the guy still gave Ben Affleck his best movie... other that that I don't really like his other movies... btw MI2 (which Woo directed) synopsis looks kind of familiar with a certain Tom Clancy book (if you know what I mean)...

Finally, I don't think Woo's work on that movie is anywhere near confirmed status... some sources say he dropped the project so we'll see when the first trailer comes out!

[Mig-29]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mendell:
come on, broken arrow wasn't that bad... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

and the guy still gave Ben Affleck his best movie... other that that I don't really like his other movies... btw MI2 (which Woo directed) synopsis looks kind of familiar with a certain Tom Clancy book (if you know what I mean)...

Finally, I don't think Woo's work on that movie is anywhere near confirmed status... some sources say he dropped the project so we'll see when the first trailer comes out! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You kidding me? Broken Arrow was http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
MI2 was http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Which movie with Ben Affleck r u referring to?

[GSG_9_Rage]

John Woo was recently dropped from the Rainbow Six director's chair so we don't have to worry about that.

[Mig-29]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GSG_9_Rage:
John Woo was recently dropped from the Rainbow Six director's chair so we don't have to worry about that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Whos taking over?

[Mendell]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mig-29:
Which movie with Ben Affleck r u referring to? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
paycheck

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mig-29:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GSG_9_Rage:
John Woo was recently dropped from the Rainbow Six director's chair so we don't have to worry about that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Whos taking over? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Zack Snyder according to IGN

http://movies.ign.com/articles/599/599326p1.html

[o WhoCares o]

This post should be called the energizer bunny.. I can't believe it's still going!

[Mig-29]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">o WhoCares o </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I care.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mendell:
Zack Snyder according to IGN

http://movies.ign.com/articles/599/599326p1.html </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Interesting. The guy who made Watchmen and 300. I never however, saw any of those movies.

[el_mako]

Hey!

I liked The Watchmen.

LOL

[Mig-29]

WUT.

[VastShadowz41]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by xoops:


Here is another example of the spectacular difference between GM and Ubisoft: GM's mea culpa (http://www.autonews.com/assets/PDF/CA59166128.PDF).

<span class="ev_code_red">''We acknowledge we have disappointed you. At times we violated your trust by letting our quality fall below industry standards and our designs become lackluster. We have proliferated our brands [...] to the point where we lost adequate focus on our core market''.</span>

That sentence could be used by Ubisoft word for word, but it's fair to expect pigs flying long before we see that kind of candid communication from UBI.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd actually be willing to buy a Ubisoft game if they finally admitted to their own incompetence and terrible post-release support. Of course any CEO doing that would be career suicide for them, but we'd salute them for having the cajones to do so.

[GSG_9_Rage]

I'd salute him.

[Sir_SpankalotUK]

booted steam over the weekend, noticed to my surprise that ID software had release a patch for Quake 2, and that game is over 10 years old.

And Ubisoft please put the add-on packs for Heroes V on steam as I would like to purchase it but wont until the add-on packs are available on there too.

[OpTiMaL_]

Why is this even called the Ubi-to-consumer BIDERECTIONAL communication thread? Its looked more like a consumer-to-consumer thread to me since release. Or a consumer-to-ubi return to sender thread.I am rather confused by their tactics.If one just one person from the ubi team came in here regularly it would make a lot of people happy.I also understand that to a lot of the oldschoolers it wouldnt matter if they did but the old days of R6 are gone and arent coming back so we need to try to find some common ground.I just dont understand how not listening to us or getting feedback is a good business decision. I guess the simplest and most unfortunate answer would be that they dont care. I hope this isnt the case but as most of you would agree they have no problem making it seem that way.We all know the next R6 is already in the works and not one attemp at fan input/feedback has been made.

[Sir_SpankalotUK]

ubisoft from what it seems is a little weird, there's no one from the development teams posting, or making announcements. I would expect all the dev's are told to stay clear of this forum.

Things were supposed to be changing for the better, we've certainly seen no evidence of that, if anything the situation has actually got worse.

After hearing that splinter cell conviction is developed by ubi montreal and even uses the same unreal engine that R6V used, I think its safe to say I won't go anywhere near that game until I've been able to gauge the community feeling with the game, ubisoft titles seem to have a 6 month support cycle and even then they wont fix all the bugs in the game. Its a shame that I can't get excited about a game because I know its a ubisoft game.

[ms-kleaneasy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by OpTiMaL_:
If one just one person from the ubi team came in here regularly it would make a lot of people happy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have been here, and posted a great deal. The only reason I've not posted in more recent times is because I've told everyone as much as I can and they know that because I've explained that

[Lethal1940]

You have posted numerous times in the forums and I know your hands are tied.
You can only relay information furnished to you by Ubisoft and that hasn't happened.
I have posted this fact several times!

It has now been nearly a year since Ubi Vigil posted that he would take our concerns to the developers right then and let us know when he hears back!!
That hasn't happened!

8th. Post Down:
1.03 Bug List (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6381021386/m/9441085076)

So I think maybe the references above are intended for the devs. or someone higher up in Ubisoft.

One SERIOUS issue I feel Ubisoft needs to address is one with Vegas 2 not reading the DVD in many systems and also asking for the Disk even though players are using a digital download version.

At present, the only true solution is one that is not acceptable to Ubisoft and the one that got me suspended for trying to help a new player run his game!!

It would be very easy for Ubisoft to develop a small patch that would correct this issue, and one that Ubisoft owes to it's paying customers.
(That is the very least Ubisoft could do in my opinion)

That would eliminate the need for a 3rd. party fix.
One that Ubisoft actually published on their site at one point.

I'm not suggesting that Ubisoft develop a fix that would eliminate the need for the DVD to be present to run the game .. but rather a patch that would actually correct the problem!!

Is that asking too much when 100's or even 1000's or players are unable to run a legal copy of a game they have paid for???

[StrykerN]

Ms-kleaneasy,

First I would like to say I think we can all agree that you pass on imformation when you get it. But by your own post you stated you have not posted anything lately. So are we to assume you are not receiving anything form UBI to post. This post is titled BIDIRECTIONAL communication,but it has turned into members only communication.

I know it is way late in the game but I would like to see one of the devs come in here and address some of the issues we have. This is a good sized forum meaning a lot of people have spent good money on this game only to have it not work,or work very poorly. It would seem to me if UBI cared in the slightest about their customer base this would not be an unreasonable request. I am not one of those that is saying I will boycot UBI but I will investigate fully before purchasing again. "NUFF" said.

[BTOG46]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lethal1940:
One SERIOUS issue I feel Ubisoft needs to address is one with Vegas 2 not reading the DVD in many systems and also asking for the Disk even though players are using a digital download version.

At present, the only true solution is one that is not acceptable to Ubisoft and the one that got me suspended for trying to help a new player run his game!!

It would be very easy for Ubisoft to develop a small patch that would correct this issue, and one that Ubisoft owes to it's paying customers.
(That is the very least Ubisoft could do in my opinion)

That would eliminate the need for a 3rd. party fix.
One that Ubisoft actually published on their site at one point.

I'm not suggesting that Ubisoft develop a fix that would eliminate the need for the DVD to be present to run the game .. but rather a patch that would actually correct the problem!!

Is that asking too much when 100's or even 1000's or players are unable to run a legal copy of a game they have paid for??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wonder why Ubi doesn't solve this by just releasing a patch to remove the DRM, they've done it for other games, most recently with Settlers 6 in March, and only yesterday with Far Cry 2, so if they can do it for those games, surely they could do it for this one.

[Aj6627]

That would also be nice for SCCT. On x64 platforms the starforce doesn't run, hence no SP/coop for x64 people.

[OpTiMaL_]

ms-kleaneasy I was referring to devs or anyone from the R6 team.This lack of communication is in no way your fault and I have no doubt you do your job. I also know ubi is busy but they really need to listen to the FANS early on the next build.Vegas 1 and Vegas 2 were kicked out way too fast and the fans are the ones who have to deal with an unready game.Secondly why no real DLC or support for either game? People can say its too expensive or theres a time issue but most other teams amazingly find a way to support their games for extended periods of time with multiple map packs or other DLC.Im not flaming, these are things the R6 team need to take a hard look at because another game without support or some actual DLC is in no way a good idea.Another problem I wont get into too much is the online lag problems present in V1&V2,there is an underlying problem there that needs fixed very badly and I cant stress that enough.

[Lethal1940]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I wonder why Ubi doesn't solve this by just releasing a patch to remove the DRM, they've done it for other games, most recently with Settlers 6 in March, and only yesterday with Far Cry 2, so if they can do it for those games, surely they could do it for this one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be great BTOG!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
And your question is a valid one!
Why has Ubisoft totally abandoned Vegas 2 ???!!!

I have tried to help a large number of new gamers resolve this issue in the past, but it is a risky proposition when there is only one solution that I am aware of, and we all know what that leads to if you aren't careful.

Even with the cheap price of Vegas 2 now, it is still a complete waste for money if you are unable to play your legally purchased game.

Here is a recent example:
Vegas 2 .. $7.99 with Free Shipping (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832138044)

Ubisoft can't be making much on this!
But even at this price, it is still not a bargin if the game won't play!!!

[paulipaul]

I can't believe this topic is STILL going around, I've been out of the forums since last year! Unfortunately it seems to be doing absolutely no good; no patches, no maps, no editor, no support, no acknowlwdgement whatsoever the game even exists. I've NEVER in my life seen a game so readily abandoned by its developer, which is a shame, because it had the most potential to be the perfect game.

[StrykerN]

paulipaul,

I don't know if I am just wore out from complaining abouy UBI or just need a little rest from it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif I do want to say though you could leave again till next year and this thread will still be going with the same results from UBI. A big fat NOTHING. Hav a nice day

[the_Monk-]

YES YES....it IS more than 1 year after I started this thread!

1 year after I attempted to start a "bridge" between UBI ("the Company") and us ("the Community")

1 year after hearing Mods, CM's, FM's, CR's, (and who knows how many other "abbreviations") who assured us that in fact things were changing and we ("the Community") just needed to be patient.

Do you remember ASSURING me of that ms-kleaneasy??? You assured me of the fact that things were changing....they just don't change overnight! (page 2 or 3 of this thread I think...)

1 year later.....and your "assurance of change" has turned into this...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I have been here, and posted a great deal. The only reason I've not posted in more recent times is because I've told everyone as much as I can and they know that because I've explained that </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


how sad.....and oh so pointless.

At the very least show your "bosses" this reply of mine. Make sure they understand just how much of a fool they made out of you in our eyes....

...sigh


the Monk

[ms-kleaneasy]

With respect Monk I don’t believe I've been made a fool in anyone’s eyes

[Sir_SpankalotUK]

Monk does have a point. You have to see it from our point of view, inside the year this thread has been running the only piece of feedback from ubisoft regarding support for this game is the fact we won't be getting any. As our representative or point of contact you have obviously taken our case to the higher up's, they either aren't listening or don't care what we have say, else we would have some sort of dialog going.

I guess what we are trying to say is come on ubisoft throw us a proverbial bone here, rather than doing your utmost to kill this passionate community. Sooner or later another game will be announced and this thread will still be here. Ubisoft will still have the question to answer of how much support they will give a new game, you can guarantee that question will be asked by this community.

[ms-kleaneasy]

I do see your point, and I think I've always been honest and upfront on that matter, my point in replying to Monk was I'm not a fool in others eyes as I have done all that I can and that doesn’t make me a fool http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Lethal1940]

Ms Kleaneasy!
I don't know how hard you have actually fought to help correct the issues when contacting Ubisoft, or how much influence you have, but I believe you have done as much as you are able, and have always been fair in my opinion!.

Ubisoft, the company, is the one who make themselves to look like fools!!!

I started a thread in the Far Cry 2 forums long ago with concerns for support for that game after release.
The managers, mods, etc. all jumped in and claimed there would be full support .. they would all be there for us!!!
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...841054096#8841054096 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1521068375/m/8841054096?r=8841054096#8841054096)

That game died with no support from Ubisoft in basically the same way Vegas 2 did.

So, I believe intentions are good on the forum side, but Ubisoft as a company does NOT support anyone who represents them in the forums, the games, or the gaming community.
This is just another continuing example of how Ubisoft leaves it's forum employee's and voluteers, to take the brunt of the gamers anger with no support for anyone!

It's really sad .. I know it has to be frustrating for you all!!

By the way a mod in that forum locked the thread after 7 pages with the excuse that someone posted off topic because they didn't mention FC2 in their post.

I knew it would get locked and several other threads from gamers who expressed the same concerns had their threads locked.

How many threads would be locked if there were all locked for someone posting off topic.

Ironic that most of the concerns expressed came true, and that game also died without support!!

[RLCSeMPeRFi]

I started a similar thread in the general discussion forum so all of UBIs customers have a chance to be heard. Let's see how deep the rabbit hole goes.


http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1054957/m/6071081467 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4811054957/m/6071081467)

[AWC_Pest]

That got closed quickly.

I guess UBI wants to limit the damage to just the Rainbow Six area since they don't plan on another game here for quite some time.

[Sir_SpankalotUK]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lethal1940:
Ubisoft, the company, is the one who make themselves to look like fools!!!
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

what he said. Ms-K != (http://www.w3schools.com/PHP/php_operators.asp) fool.

[OpTiMaL_]

Wow! They shouldnt of locked that thread. What did it violate???????????? A Ubi to consumer thread for V1&V2 and a Ubi to consumer thread in general are not the same. You even stated that at the end."Being that this has the link to the actual thread I'm closing it. We really don't need another one but feel free to post there if you like". Actually its a link to the original game SPECIFIC thread in the Vegas1&2 forum which is not the same as the one that was locked and yes Ubi does really need another one of these.Hey I got an idea! Our customer relations are horrible and were losing them every day. So lets unecissarily lock posts because that will definately bring them back to spend their hard earned money on our unfinished products.

[Lethal1940]

Well, we all ask for bi-directional communication.

That thread certainly got a response from someone from Ubisoft very quickly!!!
(But still not from higher up)

[Aj6627]

The only reason it was locked is damage control. They still wanted to sucker people into buying their new game.

[the_Monk-]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
With respect Monk I don’t believe I've been made a fool in anyone’s eyes </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I respectfully beg to disagree. Making statements like mentioned in my previous post:



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by the_Monk-:
YES YES....it IS more than 1 year after I started this thread!

1 year after I attempted to start a "bridge" between UBI ("the Company") and us ("the Community")

1 year after hearing Mods, CM's, FM's, CR's, (and who knows how many other "abbreviations") who assured us that in fact things were changing and we ("the Community") just needed to be patient.Do you remember ASSURING me of that ms-kleaneasy??? You assured me of the fact that things were changing....they just don't change overnight! (page 2 or 3 of this thread I think...)

1 year later.....and your "assurance of change" has turned into this...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
I have been here, and posted a great deal. The only reason I've not posted in more recent times is because I've told everyone as much as I can and they know that because I've explained that
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


how sad.....and oh so pointless.

At the very least show your "bosses" this reply of mine. Make sure they understand just how much of a fool they made out of you in our eyes....

...sigh


the Monk </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


ms-kleaneasy,

Go back and re-read some of your posts. (especially page 2 and 3 where you most certainly are strongly suggesting that things in fact are changing and that we ("the Community") just need to have patience, etc. etc.

I for one, DO believe that UBI ("the Company") allowing you to make statements such as that on THEIR BEHALF when now a year later IT IS PROVEN that said statements were in fact nothing more than "hot air", strongly suggests that UBI ("the Company") doesn't care what those statements have now made you look like to us ("the Community").

I don't delight in seeing anyone made into a fool, which is why I expected you to understand I was putting the blame squarely on the shoulders of your "bosses". (the very reason I asked you to show them my reply) I certainly wouldn't allow a company to get away with letting me make false statements...

the Monk

[GSG_9_Rage]

I can agree with Monk.

[dozerx8]

i posted a thread for punkbuster error message and no one has responded. i want to play in a punkbuster server, cant.

[Lethal1940]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dozerx8:
i posted a thread for punkbuster error message and no one has responded. i want to play in a punkbuster server, cant. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Check your thread!

[jackjab1987]

so what I gather after 129 pages of anger and score is that UBI soft (the most truted brand name in the making of good games) lacks to will, the means, or the stamina to give their customers more. Or that they plainly do not care in the slightess......ok. Well I like the game and I think like the onther games that had their flaws and short comings the forms nailed most of em and the game changed. It turn generic. And even though the quality went down to us fail full and hardcore gamers the watered down dolled up verios grew quite a croud. But thanks to the service the new and old have recieved everyone is looking at each other wondering if this is it.... the last Rainbow. At least that is what I've heard on the forms. But even with these sort comming. The casual gamer is a stong percentage now so I personaly believe that the money making brand name that Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six has become with be boomed/blessed to live on to another title.

[CheckingOnYOU]

Back from a sebatical and nothing, what so ever, has happened here... it is nice to see that some of you are still coping with the lack of support but, with your head strong.

I am sure this one will get deleted so I will make it quick... DON'T GIVE UP, I am watching from the sidelines!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Ms-K... the monk is right but I still like you!

[athenian]

Not sure if anybody is familiar with the OFP/ArmA series by Bohemia Interactive, but they a model that UBI should look at. Eventhough ArmA II has just been released and they are all probably running around crazy right now, but the devs are still posting in the forums letting evreryone know that bugs are being fixed and their plans for future patches. They have released 2 patches in less than a month to address problems that people are having. On top of just bug fixing they are also updating their own wiki for the editor (that shipped with the game) and are active in the editor forums helping people with specific parts of the editor. Hell even the CEO of BIS posts in the forums and not just PR babble.

I'll be the first one to admit that the Arma was buggy as hell on release but they released patches until it was fixed (for the most part). They didn't just cut their losses and move on. Acutally they have a beta patch out for ArmA now even with ArmA II being released.

[Aj6627]

You know why they are better? They actually care about the customer... as opposed to Ubi who just cares about the money.

[Mendell]

wait wait!

GSG_9_Rage should post at every 2 or 3 posts made so every one gets to see a Rick Astley no matter the resolution/screen size you have!

[GSG_9_Rage]

Exactly. If you care about the customer, the customer will care about you. They will buy your products. As you continue to care about them, they trust you even more. And that's you you build a loyal fanbase and customer pool. Look at Redstorm (pre-ubi). They had one of the most loyal fanbases that I think I have ever seen. Hell remnants (including me) of that fanbase still post here! Incredable! Unless Ubi does a complete 180, it is more than likely that they will never see a fanbase like the one Redstorm had.

[David.Ubi.Cust]

Posted by ms-kleaneasy in the summer of 2008: Link (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1991064316/m/3631040186?r=6351049186#6351049186)

I'm just curious ms-kleaneasy...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
What keeps me going is that regardless of whether improvement takes place as rapidly as I would like I know that I can still impact more change from this side of the fence than from your side http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

After 13 months of total and shameful absence of any tiny hint of change, do you still believe your own sentence ms-kleaneasy? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
I'm here because as a gamer I know how important change in communication is and anything I can do to effect that change no matter how small is important to me.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well then I wish more power to you! You desperately need it... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

[Dirtymurph]

There will never be any change.All these devs care about is a quick buck. Please feel free to prove me wrong.

[Aj6627]

I don't think that it is as much the devs pushing for them to come out quickly as the management(read: suits) like Yves and the CEO of Ubi Montreal.

[Dirtymurph]

I guess I should of said ubi instead of just the devs.Regardless of whos mostly to blame theres no excuse for the games theyve been releasing lately or the fact that they dont really support most of their games.They dont even make an attempt to come here. They arent told to stay away from these forums they just dont want to have people asking questions they cant answer without making themselves look bad.

[Lethal1940]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GSG_9_Rage:
Exactly. If you care about the customer, the customer will care about you. They will buy your products. As you continue to care about them, they trust you even more. And that's you you build a loyal fanbase and customer pool. Look at Redstorm (pre-ubi). They had one of the most loyal fanbases that I think I have ever seen. Hell remnants (including me) of that fanbase still post here! Incredable! Unless Ubi does a complete 180, it is more than likely that they will never see a fanbase like the one Redstorm had. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Quality, service, and support are very important products and are as important if not more important than the product itself.
It seems that Ubisoft hasn't learned that lesson as yet!

Ubisoft's policy seems to be:
Produce as many titles as possible.
As quickly as possible.

Don't worry about quality or if the product is finished.
Abandon the product as quickly as possible with the least effort and time afforded to fixing problems.
Spend funds only on hyping new titles coming out.
Don't waste money on fixing the game for the gamers/suckers who have already spent their money on it.

Leave the forum managers, mods, etc. to cover for Ubisoft's broken, unfinished products, and take the heat from the gaming community!!!

Did I miss anything??

[StrykerN]

As usuall Lethal you covered everything. To bad it has all been covered before. Just a crying shame that there is no shame at the top Of UBI. At least they could send us a dev to feast upon...lol

[Aj6627]

I thought of a perfect analogy that describes Ubi's MO: just like missiles, they fire and forget.

[rat0a]

They got me once shame on me (Lockdown)

Never got me twice....shame on you (R6V 1-2)

[Themurder2k7]

This is exactly what comes with big companies like Ubisoft. They want to make "good" games, "good" games that will sell as many copies as possible. We've seen the direction they're going in. It's all aimed at casual, shallow gamers who don't demand much from their games. They want a fast paced, visually stunning, slick and modern action adventure game for an entire week before shelving it and waiting for the next UBI title. Ubisoft wanna sell, cash in everything they can from the big masses and quickly move on to the next title, and NOT waste money and time on already released titles. It's all about the money. Great games are truly a thing of the past.

[the_Monk-]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Themurder2k7:
This is exactly what comes with big companies like Ubisoft. They want to make "good" games, "good" games that will sell as many copies as possible. We've seen the direction they're going in. It's all aimed at casual, shallow gamers who don't demand much from their games. They want a fast paced, visually stunning, slick and modern action adventure game for an entire week before shelving it and waiting for the next UBI title. Ubisoft wanna sell, cash in everything they can from the big masses and quickly move on to the next title, and NOT waste money and time on already released titles. It's all about the money. Great games are truly a thing of the past. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


That's because GREAT games came out when it meant you had to innovate in order to create a video game.

Sadly, these days "innovation" in video games means a few little "kitchy" features to give the EXCITE-media something to chew on.

"video games as a whole aren't anything new......so why re-invent the wheel?" is something I believe all too many game developers are cashing their checks on these days.

the Monk

[ms-kleaneasy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by David.Ubi.Cust:
Posted by ms-kleaneasy in the summer of 2008: Link (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1991064316/m/3631040186?r=6351049186#6351049186)

I'm just curious ms-kleaneasy...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
What keeps me going is that regardless of whether improvement takes place as rapidly as I would like I know that I can still impact more change from this side of the fence than from your side http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

After 13 months of total and shameful absence of any tiny hint of change, do you still believe your own sentence ms-kleaneasy? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
I'm here because as a gamer I know how important change in communication is and anything I can do to effect that change no matter how small is important to me.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well then I wish more power to you! You desperately need it... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I still stand by those statements, I can do more from this side of the fence http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Lethal1940]

I agree that you should have an advantage from your side of the fence!
(Key word "Should")

Unfortunately, Ubisoft seems to have erected a second fence between it's forum staff and itself!!

I believe that Ubisoft, for whatever reason, has taken an arrogant stand against the Vegas gaming community.
One small point in support of this comment is .. Ubisoft removing the DRM from FC2 and other Ubi games, but still refuse to remove it from Vegas 2.

The only possible motivation for that refusal would be Ubisoft's antagonistic view of the negative comments in this forum.
What Ubisoft doesn't realize is they are hurting new customers who buy the game and can't run it, thus creating more animosity among gamers.
(And they are destroying themselves and their credibility))

Ms Keaneasy .. I realize that you are limited in what Ubisoft will allow you to say or do, and I will continue to support your efforts until I see circumstances that prove otherwise.

I have never seen any other industry where a company can produce broken unfinished products, refuse to correct problems, and offer no support after the sale .. and not have law suites filed against them.

I would love to be able to come to this forum with high praise for Ubisoft and their products, service, and support!
But any company has to earn the respect of it's customers through, quality products, great support and service, and excellent communication!

Ubisoft has none of these attributes and absolutely no credibility!

Keep up the fight Ms Kleaneasy!
Maybe you can do something in regard to the DRM problem, if nothing else!
If Ubisoft can remove it from other games including games newer than Vegas 2, there is absolutely no reason it can't be removed from this game!
(Or a small patch to correct the problem)

[Dirtymurph]

Wow I just realised Goliath hasnt even posted in 2 years.Probably cause he runs at the first hint of any criticism and theres plenty of that here LOL.

[WhiteKnight77]

Klean, you first said that change was coming to Ubi in November 2007. Here we are 19 months later and what has changed? Not a thing. I said it then and I will say it again. For Ubi it is business as usual and for you, you are just another layer to insulate the consumer from the company. If you were really serious about affecting change, then more would have been done (or is that should have?) by now.

The only thing Ubi has done so far is barely admit that their games were garbage and just offered us new ways to buy them, albiet at cheaper prices. When will you really tell Ubi that we do not want cheap shovelware, but games that are innovative and original?

[i am Raunchy]

another game in the shops and another day without communications of anny kind on the BIG
bugs in the game (coj:bib) if ubi would read the forum posts and NOT do annything about
the bugs/problems/communications why is there a forum in the first place
just be hounest to the consumer that u dont want to help or correct things for them and close the forum
at least then we know where we stand

[StrykerN]

May UBI rest in piece. Do to their lack of addressing the fan base I hope they get flushed down the crapper.Honesty has never been a strong point with UBI. Closing this forum may be the smartest thing UBI has ever done (sure isn't game creation). UBI had the oppertunity of a life time with the Vegas Series and dropped the ball big time. A little support may have brought me back,but the lack of that UBI can kiss my ***.


Message 2 UBI if you want me to perchase a product from you again release a beta of any future games. Because I will not buy any games from you in the future without a load of possitive input in forums. 'NUFF" said here I am starting to get real ****ed.

[Dirtymurph]

Im am more then aware there will probably be no response but I think a poll is in order.I would love if somebody with tenure made it.Someone who has a little more voice then the rest of us like Rage or Knight to name a couple,you guys have been on these forums for a long time and havent changed your names or got banned like some of us.I think a good thought out poll is a good idea.If you guys wouldnt want to do it I understand.Numbers mean a lot and if we get enough people to take part in this poll maybe just maybe we will get their attention.It would take A LOT of people but its very possible. A poll covering old RS vs new with changes and compromises that could be made type questions,the need for support and DLC or are people happy with the support and DLC of past titles.Just some random ideas.

[Lethal1940]

The only problem I see with a poll is, there are few gamers left here to vote, and Ubisoft has long ago abandoned ship!

I think we have all voted many times with our bug lists, continued comments, suggestions, and complaints.

I have no problem with a poll and wouldn't hestitate to vote.
I just don't believe it would get Ubisoft's attention any more than anything in the past has!

[Dirtymurph]

Yeah I know.Its just an idea.Its so frustratibg after all these years.I hate to be negative but its gotten to a point for most of us where theres nothing left but negative things, they could change that if they put some effort into it.This whole running away from questions they dont want to answer is childish.They need to grow the hell up and come in here and atleast try to set things right with some dialogue and not lock or run away from the thread at the first hint of criticism.

[Callofwhatiz]

I hope you're reading this UBI. Don't stand in the doorway, don't block up the hall for he that gets hurt is he who has stalled.. 131 pages and moving. Add my name to the list, if I have a choice between two games of the same genre I'm steering clear of ubisoft from now on.

[Lethal1940]

Join the crowd Callofwhatiz!

But don't expect any response from Ubisoft!
They aren't standing in the doorway, or blocking the hall .. they have long ago abandoned the game and the community!!

[Lethal1940]

This is a great example of communication and support!
I just wanted to mention that this is a notice and promise of a patch.
Some companies actually live up to their word!!
http://www.callofduty.com/boar...ic.php?f=29&t=170067 (http://www.callofduty.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=170067)

http://www.gamershell.com/download_48562.shtml

Treyarch has released yet another patch along with 4 new maps.
1.5 is 974 MB and that is only the update from 1.4 to 1.5

Treyarch and Activision really do listen to their gamer base and continue to improve, communicate, and support their products.

Anyone heard anything from Ubisoft yet????

[RLCSeMPeRFi]

The Vegas series was a flop on PC in every sense of the word. UBI has cut their losses and moved on. Expecting them to say this officially in a public forum is ludicrous. Their silence should be enough, for those that bought the game, to know you got ****ed.

Too bad UBI didn't listen to the R6 Council Members. They would probably still be counting the money from new sales. nUBInubs FTL.

[Lethal1940]

Unfortunatley, Ubisoft seems to have a policy of releasing unfinished games and moving on!

Far Cry 2 was also a disaster!
Many of us here tried to warn the gaming community about that game and Ubisoft's lack of support before release, but the managers, mods, etc. over there assured everyone there would be great support.

Reviews on other titles such as Hawx are very poor, (5 out of 10 average) but Ubisoft continues to hype their next new titles and continues to move.

A surprise patch to fix at least the major issues in Vegas 2 and other abandoned Ubisoft titles, (and maybe a few new maps) would go a long way toward restoring the gaming communities faith in Ubisoft!

I received Hawx for free with an XFX 4890 Extreme video card, and after reading the reviews, I won't even try it for free.
At present, there is no Ubisoft title worth the space on my hard drive, and I have over 500 GB free on my RAID "0" configuration!

Still waiting for Opertion Flashpoint: Dragon Risng.
(Release date: Oct. 6, 2009)
There will be a demo!

[AWC_Pest]

We might as well face the fact that UBI produces video games like China produces cars.

Everything is just a quick cheap knock off that won't get support and after the first wave of sales they will move on to the next product and next batch of suckers.

The days of games like the original 3 Rainbow Six games are long gone for this company.

The games are now geared toward the quick thrill crowd that can hit ABBAB(left trigger)BAXXYB and respawn or have their health regenerate while the magically look over a wall.

[Lethal1940]

Another example of communication and a company actually listening to it's gamer base.

This is what most of us have been asking for from the beginning.
A choice for all levels of players.

Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising will offer a Hardcore mode in addition to other levels of play.

http://community.codemasters.c...wthread.php?t=362071 (http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=362071)

Ubisoft, on the other hand, gives us only what they want!
Time to step up to the plate Ubisoft!!
3 strikes and you're out!!

[I_am_a_SC]

I too have boycotted everything Ubisoft ever since Splinter Cell D/A came out. They killed that game with the storyline and absolute fakeness about the game.

[gearbolt]

well its hard ( i mean for me after reading this and counting in my own experiences ) to decide whether its

1) companies like this cover very huge community of players in whole different gamestyles and still keeping sending out new products, so there is question if they are capable of "keeping up the speed" of proper support and taking care of comunity ( in which case the forum managers shows us 1st steps in TRYING to improve and resolve problem by creative and cheap way ) or they just keep up speed for the cost of support quality ( new cusomers got cheaper and better care than the old ones, on whose account is the better care taken ) we all actually experienced this way of behaving but its a question of another point i want to make

2) the company and game industry is so new and limited by only one product and that are games ( becuase u cant them so easily renew or sell for getting lower prize of new product ) so those people are still learning and starting from beggining. We have also to count in our experiences ( mostly bad, or at least mostly remembered bad )from resolving our problems and claiming our rights. its thoose bad experiences that drives us to "lower the bar" if i may say it so that drives us harder and more determine after what we want in more agressive or self defence way (i want it now and i dont care what problems you have to face now) . The balance between theese thing is very hard to find, i mean asertive behaving and suffice amount of informations but this little off topic.

What we have to count is that thoose "people at the helm" are still listnening, as mr hanky said and theyre maybe willing too. I dont want to be seen now as 3rd side which is criticising both sides for their opinion, no. We just need to little slow down and realize all theese surounding factors. I believe that after reading all community opinions ( which cares most because u can easilly map opinions, wishes and getting new ideas for free almost instantly thanks to theese forums and well work of their managers ) and realizing the possible potencial they will make some changes because if they didnt them here and now than the end will be the same. No matter if its their super new game or just this one, the is just no difference, they should learn from it. I understand monks problem and trying to spread it out. Its nothing bad, its normal noone cant judge him for that its only indvidual thing if u read his whole idea and make your opinion, i agree with monk about thoose things. They said us one good experience get past 2 people, but the bad one through out dozens.

i sincerely hope you read this and i thanks for that, also i apreciate what are you people here talking about because for many people of theese days are theese values and problems worthless. It would be real bad if ubi wouldnt use potencial of such customers

[el_mako]

Gearbolt:

I don't know if I understand you correctly, but nothing you have said makes sense.

We are not even asking for much anymore: Release of a map making kit, They fix obvious problems ad get their act together with their servers, etc.

They have had plenty of time to do any of those, and they have not even responded "we are working on it" (obviously because they are NOT working on it).

That's all they do, make games and fixing their bugs should be part of the process.
And we do not ask for new maps or mods, but at least they release the tools so WE can do them.

To recap: UBI sux!

[Lethal1940]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally quoted by gearbolt:
What we have to count is that thoose "people at the helm" are still listnening, as mr hanky said and theyre maybe willing too. I dont want to be seen now as 3rd side which is criticising both sides for their opinion, no. We just need to little slow down and realize all theese surounding factors. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Slow Down???
How much slower can we go?

It has been over a year since the last patch and any word from Ubisoft on this game.

Far Cry 2 was released after Vegas 2, and was also a disaster with no support!

We have already slowed down so much, we are going backward!!!

Ubisoft is going to do nothing with Vegas 1 or 2!!
Ubisoft is going to do nothing with Far Cry 2.
Ubisoft is going to do nothing but continue to release unfinished, broken games until their lost gamer base catches up with their profits.

Then they will just blame the loses on poor economy like the already have!!

Fact:
Poor quaility, unfinished broken games.
No fixes or support after sale.
Abandonment of the gaming community and products.

All of the above = Lost customers and revenue!!!

Many other games are still selling great!
COD WaW is a good example!
Just fired up the game:

3285 servers running.

833 players on the first list of 20 servers.
(WaW servers will support over 50 players and still not lag)

That leaves 3265 servers not counted!!

And this is on a Thursday morning before noon!!

Just to be fair, I checked Vegas 2!
8 servers in versus with a total of 12 players!
27 T-Hunt games with 76 players!

Really close to WaW ??!!! LOL
Ubisoft should be absolutely embarrased and ashamed!!

[StrykerN]

Gear bolt,

I like el_mako am having a hard time following your post. In one aspect you seem critical of UBI, but on the other hand you seem to be defending them. So maybe we are both just missing the point of your post.

I unlike el_mako gave up asking for anything from UBI. The game really had a great posibility to be something special untill it was abandoned by UBI. A few little patchs and a decent server to play on and UBI would have had a block buster of a game. As you will see Gearbolt no one from UBI even bothers to look in the door any longer. If you look at the thread topic it says "BIDIRECTIONAL COMMUNICATION". Well me friend that went out the window long ago.

So UBI you have a lot to prove before you get any more money from me. Oooops sorry it is falling on deaf ears anyway. So as far as a lot of people are concerned you can die as a company and you wont be missed at all.

[gearbolt]

well the post wasnt to be about final desitions, i just read the messages before and seen than people are flaming pretty hard UBI for many things. i was just asking if some of those reasons are true and not just someone is blaming ubi for somthing i get hem pretty hard time too. i know it sound strange, i like the game i was just little shocked by so many ppl whos complaining and by the approach of company, on one side by that i see this happening all around and nobody is doin nothing about it and by that there people who cares and takes it pretty serious. well obviously your accusations are right and problem solutions get pretty deep. well next time ill look at another games forum

[Dirtymurph]

Wow

[Levi7icuz]

I'm going to have to agree with you Monk. I have yet to notice if Ubi pass any attention to its game after they are released. I also have had bad CS with Ubi, and I only bought RSV2 becuase I got it free with another purchase (Its was for GW2, much better than the crap UBI throws together every year).

[el_mako]

The problem with UBI is corporate policy.

Wanna see the difference? Check this out:
http://www.gamese****ch.com/20...on_team_fortress.php (http://www.gamese****ch.com/2008/06/indepth_valve_on_team_fortress.php)

All the article is a good read, but just read this:
"Bringing the focus of the talk more towards Team Fortress 2 itself, Walker described the three major long-term goals Valve had for the game: it shouldn't get boring even over long periods of time, customers should continue to get content indefinitely after release, and players should be rewarded for their time investment in the game."

Wow!

I haven't played TF2, not my kind of game anymore (I used to play UT2004 a lot), but it just might be worth a shot....

[iL0VEbooty]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by el_mako:
The problem with UBI is corporate policy.

Wanna see the difference? Check this out:
http://www.gamese****ch.com/20...on_team_fortress.php (http://www.gamese****ch.com/2008/06/indepth_valve_on_team_fortress.php)

All the article is a good read, but just read this:
"Bringing the focus of the talk more towards Team Fortress 2 itself, Walker described the three major long-term goals Valve had for the game: it shouldn't get boring even over long periods of time, customers should continue to get content indefinitely after release, and players should be rewarded for their time investment in the game."

Wow!

I haven't played TF2, not my kind of game anymore (I used to play UT2004 a lot), but it just might be worth a shot.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great concept... but valve isn't the example it would like you to think it is. They promised so much for Left 4 Dead that they never delivered. Instead, they decided to announce the sequil for it.

I love the R6 games a lot, but they are far from perfect, and they seem to be way too many lines of codes away from perfect that a single update could fix. I would like some DLC, but I'd prefer a non-broken game. Fix the glitches, and bring the graphics up to par with the competition shouldn't be a bonus of a game, just aspects of a good game.

[athenian]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iL0VEbooty:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by el_mako:
The problem with UBI is corporate policy.

Wanna see the difference? Check this out:
http://www.gamese****ch.com/20...on_team_fortress.php (http://www.gamese****ch.com/2008/06/indepth_valve_on_team_fortress.php)

All the article is a good read, but just read this:
"Bringing the focus of the talk more towards Team Fortress 2 itself, Walker described the three major long-term goals Valve had for the game: it shouldn't get boring even over long periods of time, customers should continue to get content indefinitely after release, and players should be rewarded for their time investment in the game."

Wow!

I haven't played TF2, not my kind of game anymore (I used to play UT2004 a lot), but it just might be worth a shot.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great concept... but valve isn't the example it would like you to think it is. They promised so much for Left 4 Dead that they never delivered. Instead, they decided to announce the sequil for it.

I love the R6 games a lot, but they are far from perfect, and they seem to be way too many lines of codes away from perfect that a single update could fix. I would like some DLC, but I'd prefer a non-broken game. Fix the glitches, and bring the graphics up to par with the competition shouldn't be a bonus of a game, just aspects of a good game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What did Valve promise that they haven't delivered for L4D?

[Lethal1940]

L4D is not my style of gameplay, but I do know a large number of gamers who love that game and I have never heard one complaint.

Infact, most have said they are waiting for and will buy L4D 2 when it comes out.

[gearbolt]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">All the article is a good read, but just read this: "Bringing the focus of the talk more towards Team Fortress 2 itself, Walker described the three major long-term goals Valve had for the game: it shouldn't get boring even over long periods of time, customers should continue to get content indefinitely after release, and players should be rewarded for their time investment in the game." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

hmm this is nice managers BS talks ETC, his speaking about mechanis that will never work and sustain itself, also "players should be rewarded for their time investment in the game" stuff never happens and if do they will be the 1st one who will work and fight against it

[iL0VEbooty]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by athenian:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iL0VEbooty:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by el_mako:
The problem with UBI is corporate policy.

Wanna see the difference? Check this out:
http://www.gamese****ch.com/20...on_team_fortress.php (http://www.gamese****ch.com/2008/06/indepth_valve_on_team_fortress.php)

All the article is a good read, but just read this:
"Bringing the focus of the talk more towards Team Fortress 2 itself, Walker described the three major long-term goals Valve had for the game: it shouldn't get boring even over long periods of time, customers should continue to get content indefinitely after release, and players should be rewarded for their time investment in the game."

Wow!

I haven't played TF2, not my kind of game anymore (I used to play UT2004 a lot), but it just might be worth a shot.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great concept... but valve isn't the example it would like you to think it is. They promised so much for Left 4 Dead that they never delivered. Instead, they decided to announce the sequil for it.

I love the R6 games a lot, but they are far from perfect, and they seem to be way too many lines of codes away from perfect that a single update could fix. I would like some DLC, but I'd prefer a non-broken game. Fix the glitches, and bring the graphics up to par with the competition shouldn't be a bonus of a game, just aspects of a good game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What did Valve promise that they haven't delivered for L4D? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/992/992284p1.html

[athenian]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iL0VEbooty:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by athenian:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iL0VEbooty:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by el_mako:
The problem with UBI is corporate policy.

Wanna see the difference? Check this out:
http://www.gamese****ch.com/20...on_team_fortress.php (http://www.gamese****ch.com/2008/06/indepth_valve_on_team_fortress.php)

All the article is a good read, but just read this:
"Bringing the focus of the talk more towards Team Fortress 2 itself, Walker described the three major long-term goals Valve had for the game: it shouldn't get boring even over long periods of time, customers should continue to get content indefinitely after release, and players should be rewarded for their time investment in the game."

Wow!

I haven't played TF2, not my kind of game anymore (I used to play UT2004 a lot), but it just might be worth a shot.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Great concept... but valve isn't the example it would like you to think it is. They promised so much for Left 4 Dead that they never delivered. Instead, they decided to announce the sequil for it.

I love the R6 games a lot, but they are far from perfect, and they seem to be way too many lines of codes away from perfect that a single update could fix. I would like some DLC, but I'd prefer a non-broken game. Fix the glitches, and bring the graphics up to par with the competition shouldn't be a bonus of a game, just aspects of a good game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What did Valve promise that they haven't delivered for L4D? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/992/992284p1.html </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes I am well aware of people upset over L4D2 for very stupid reasons. But it doesnt answer my question. What did Valve promise for L4D that they haven't given the players? As you said "Valve promised so much for L4D and never delivered." You should try and formulate your own thoughts instead of jumping on a bandwagon. Also Valve announced more DLC for L4D to be released in September. The sense of entitlement that some people have is laughable. Why does no one throw up boycotts against EA for putting out a new Madden game every year?

[Lethal1940]

Vegas 2 was nothing more than an overpriced expansion pack of Vegas 1 with even more problems and fewer maps.
Story was reduced from 4 player to 2 player.

And Ubisoft completely abandoned Vegas 2 more than a year ago!!

I doubt any company has done any worse!!

[Dirtymurph]

I just dont understand their tactics, business or financial.Why would a company abandon such money makers. If you ask a community developer or a game developer its always the same rediculous response.

[Lethal1940]

Ubisoft's policy is Quantity .. Not Quality!!

Keep shoving new broken, unfinished games out the door as fast as possible.

Someone will buy them!!

[el_mako]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dirtymurph:
I just dont understand their tactics, business or financial.Why would a company abandon such money makers. If you ask a community developer or a game developer its always the same rediculous response. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We are all wondering the same.....

[gearbolt]

because in companies and corporations are people like managers for market monitoring , managers ( to sell the game and get rid of it = get money as soon as possible ) and people who just like a lot of BUCKS

u know all this stuff is like with EA ( they bought many good game devs and crushed them, not speaking bout support, they better should keep making sims )

[iL0VEbooty]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by athenian:
Yes I am well aware of people upset over L4D2 for very stupid reasons. But it doesnt answer my question. What did Valve promise for L4D that they haven't given the players? As you said "Valve promised so much for L4D and never delivered." You should try and formulate your own thoughts instead of jumping on a bandwagon. Also Valve announced more DLC for L4D to be released in September. The sense of entitlement that some people have is laughable. Why does no one throw up boycotts against EA for putting out a new Madden game every year? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Woah woah woah buddy.... I don't even own the game, nor do I ever plan to. I haven't jumped on ANY bandwagon other than the one who thinks that L4D is a complete waste of time. The fact is that Valve released and announced a lot of DLC AFTER they found out that ppl were dissappointed with them for giving the impression that L4D2 was going to be released instead of additional DLC. And that they had all intentions of releasing a ton of DLC upon release day of L4D, but as their list of what they wanted to release increased, they decided just to turn it into a whole new game. That in itself greatly contradicts itself in the opinion of the vast majority of the L4D players.

But again... I don't own the game, so I really don't care. Just my understanding on the subject from articles and from talking to people who play the game.

[Dirtymurph]

Reason for deleting my post? Also the forum rule or rules the post broke.

[ms-kleaneasy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dirtymurph:
Reason for deleting my post? Also the forum rule or rules the post broke. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not aware of any posts being deleted, we are however having major problems with the forum software causing no end of errors its possible your post was caught up in that, it may very well turn up again which has been known to happen over the last couple of days http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

[Dirtymurph]

Darn.Oh well,wasnt important anyway lol. I just figured I might of broke a rule and didnt want to do it again and thats why I asked.

[BTOG46]

As ms-kleaneasy says, it probably got swallowed up in all the problems at the moment.

Some people can't post at all, others can, but only by using the quick reply button, some members sigs won't display at times, while other users seem to be totally unaffected, and have no problems at all, which is driving us all crazy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

[Sir_SpankalotUK]

So considering this is ubi we can expect no other comments for a year at which point the forum will be abandoned to work on other projects, not officially announced yet.

Just drawing parallels.

[Mendell]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by iL0VEbooty:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by athenian:
Yes I am well aware of people upset over L4D2 for very stupid reasons. But it doesnt answer my question. What did Valve promise for L4D that they haven't given the players? As you said "Valve promised so much for L4D and never delivered." You should try and formulate your own thoughts instead of jumping on a bandwagon. Also Valve announced more DLC for L4D to be released in September. The sense of entitlement that some people have is laughable. Why does no one throw up boycotts against EA for putting out a new Madden game every year? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Woah woah woah buddy.... I don't even own the game, nor do I ever plan to. I haven't jumped on ANY bandwagon other than the one who thinks that L4D is a complete waste of time. The fact is that Valve released and announced a lot of DLC AFTER they found out that ppl were dissappointed with them for giving the impression that L4D2 was going to be released instead of additional DLC. And that they had all intentions of releasing a ton of DLC upon release day of L4D, but as their list of what they wanted to release increased, they decided just to turn it into a whole new game. That in itself greatly contradicts itself in the opinion of the vast majority of the L4D players.

But again... I don't own the game, so I really don't care. Just my understanding on the subject from articles and from talking to people who play the game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

comparing those situations just proves how different the problem is... in L4D, people want more free stuff, but at least got a game without major bugs. plus you can download a lot of very good custom maps/campaigns

on the other hand, ubi delivers a game with major bugs, poor netcode, performances and AI. you can't even make custom map to ensure the community makes the game live a little longer.

[WhiteKnight77]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sir_SpankalotUK:
So considering this is ubi we can expect no other comments for a year at which point the forum will be abandoned to work on other projects, not officially announced yet.

Just drawing parallels. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly. My sig is missing in at least one forum here though I haven't really paid attention to it on others I have posted in tonight.

[ms-kleaneasy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sir_SpankalotUK:
So considering this is ubi we can expect no other comments for a year at which point the forum will be abandoned to work on other projects, not officially announced yet.

Just drawing parallels. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is a notice posted at the top of the board which is being updated. As the problem is forumwide comments would be posted there and not here

@ WK - if your account has been affected you'll find those posts made during the issue will continue to not show a signature so the posts showing and not will be mixed across the forums.
This is because the posts retain the 'show sig' tick box as unticked beyond the issues resolution.

[Sir_SpankalotUK]

Further proof that ubisoft message is garbled beyond comprehension. On the latest joystiq podcast (107) they asked ubi to clarify they video they saw for Beyond good and evils new game. What did they get back, a typical statement saying we don't comment on rumour and speculation.

When your marketing isn't even working you know, something is badly broken.

[SharpDagger09]

the reason I bought vegas 2, was because i saw the advert. An exciting poster by a dismal bus stop makes it seem even better. without looking at any reviews i bought it off amazon for £20. And at the start on story i loved it. Then i tried online. That disappointed me. logging on was fine (although making a account was like running in circles), however once i got on i could never join a match. when i finally did get on, punkbuster kicked me for no reason. so i went on a non punkbuster server, alas to no success as it was full of hackers. BUT LOOK, savoir, theres a patch. oh wait. no that just stoppped a story mode exploit. So i still have my ears blasted out by looping gun noises.
However, i will say this. This could have been a amazing game. it could have become as good a halo 3. however UBIsoft took no appreciation for their customers, and didn't even bother listening to their crys for help. If Vegas 2 was good, then i would have bought HAWX. but then guess who its made by.Not a Chance. I can't imagine UBIsoft are so busy just to fix a couple of simple glitchs, and upgrade their servers.
But yeah, thats the end of rant.

I guess i'll stick with VaLVe games
EDIT: On a lighter note, i'd like to thank Ms-K as He/She Is helpful, and generally helps everyone

EDIT2: also is there a way to have my own server running a match, as i have a good one which i run TF2 on? is there a way to, say, have a server that runs on MY computer (not one that connects to UBI's servers and runs off them) as i would be willing to give my server up to help this dying community out.

[Lethal1940]

All of the game servers are provided by users.
Ubisoft's server is only used for account authentication.
(And it sucks)

There is an included SADS (of sorts) in your game files, but it supports Versus only .. no T-Hunt support.

T-Hunt games are run on Listen servers and netcode and lag is horrific!!

If you dedide to run a SADS, you might want to contact Ninjaboy for a fix he and his team created.
(Ubisoft never stayed around long enough to fix it)
Otherwise you will be dealing with crashes and other problems.

As far as helping the community with another server, the last I checked, there were 22 servers and only 32 players, so more servers isn't the solution.
A properly fixed game to attract more players is the solution but probably too late!!

Edit:
I just checked and there are 11 servers running with 11 players total.
6 servers are empty!

Good Luck!

[the_Monk-]

Monk here...checking in.

UBI ("the Company") are we to understand after over a year there is really no progress in terms of COMMUNICATION?

The only communication we're seeing is in terms of explaining forum issues. As much as I appreciate knowing why your forums were down/messed I'd rather be the recipient of communication with regard to any/all of the various UBI-products I keep looking at on my shelf.

....sigh

the Monk

[SCE_Soultear]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lethal1940:
.. no T-Hunt support.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
For a Dedicated? Ya it works silly, you just have to put the right values in the ini files. Have to ";" rem some **** out too in the ini files, but it works.
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa48/Geonad/R6Vegas_Game2009-09-0714-33-53-56.jpg
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa48/Geonad/R6Vegas_Game2009-09-0714-34-49-78.jpg

[KZarr]

*Cough cough*

I... uh.... justed wanted to thank BTOG and kleaneasy for maintaining this thread. You've got my respects!

[Lethal1940]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SCE_Soultear:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Lethal1940:
.. no T-Hunt support.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
For a Dedicated? Ya it works silly, you just have to put the right values in the ini files. Have to ";" rem some **** out too in the ini files, but it works.
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa48/Geonad/R6Vegas_Game2009-09-0714-33-53-56.jpg
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa48/Geonad/R6Vegas_Game2009-09-0714-34-49-78.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey Soultear:
Would it be possible to list your T-Hunt decicated server configuration?

I was able to get one to run but it doesn't show up!
Haven't seen anyone else do it yet either, so I am sure you would be helping several gamers.

One more question:
Does it help the lag any in T-Hunt??
Or is the netcode so bad that there is little difference??

Sorry .. that was 2 questions! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif