Are you KIDDING me?????

[Sultans_Apple]

This post is probably going to make some of you go "What is WRONG with Apple, doesn't she READ?"...but honestly guys, I didn't realize this until yesterday. My boyfriend and I were playing World of Warcraft and he stopped for a second to wait for me. While he was waiting (he sits at the computer katty-corner to me) I heard him go "Are you KIDDING me?????" I thought it was something in WoW. However, he continued to say this, "Thanks to the talisman Farah gave him at the end of Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time, the Prince can still control time." He was reading from the Warrior Within booklet, which I never read cover to cover...which leads me to say "ARE YOU KIDDING ME????" This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Farah NEVER gave the Prince her amulet, which didn't even control time in the first place! Remember back when we used to fight about this before the game came out...and I said that the Prince had better have a really good explanation for how he got the amulet should he have it in WW??? Well, there is no explanation and I think this is ridiculous!!! I'm sorry...I'm sure this has been brought up before and I missed it...but this is really really stupid and a lame plothole. The writers should be ashamed of themselves for this!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

[TeeAlk]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sultans_Apple:
Farah NEVER gave the Prince her amulet, which didn't even control time in the first place! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, it's just another plot hole. I mean, there was no use for the amulet in SOT, except it protects Farah from the sands. (With all due respect, Apple) So what? ... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Let's imagine, they met after SOT. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>and I said that the Prince had better have a really good explanation for how he got the amulet should he have it in WW??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I can tell you: Dual blade combat. It wouldn't work with a sword and this stupid dagger in both hands. How to old another (better) weapon? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[lethalsponge]

Dammit.

It's not a bloody plothole. There's nothing to suggest that the Prince did not vist Farah again in the seven years that have passed since SoT. Also, it says in the first game that Farah's amulet is as ancient as the Sands of Time itself, and protects her from becoming a Sand Creature(along with the Dagger, and the Vizier's staff), so who's to say it doesn't have the ability to control time?

Just 'cause you and/or Farah didn't use the amulet to control time in SoT doesn't mean that ti can't.

Furthermore, this is a video game, Ubi can pull stuff out of their colons and call it as they like. It doesn't have to have perfect continuity, even though it does.

[Sultans_Apple]

What's with the attitude? I have a right to my opinion and I think this is a huge plot hole! I'm sorry it doesn't satisfy me to believe that the Prince visited Farah after Sands of Time. It seems like the writers just weren't creative enough to show us HOW he got the amulet or else couldn't think of any other creative way he could have controlled time...it's ridiculous to just add that "Farah gave him a talisman at the end of Sands of Time". Whatever. It's like making the movie Xmen 3 and suddenly Dr. X can walk and in the tagline it says "Thanks to Rogue's amazing device..." whatever...it doesn't cut it in my opinion...

[alimokrane]

I think Apple is right ! Ubisoft made a huge mistake by not explaining how on earth is the amulet supposed to control time but here is what I think the Writers should have done: They should have explained that Farah had no Idea how to use the amulet to control time and that the Prince visited her after Sands of Time and asked her to give him the amulet ....

Speaking of PLOT HOLES .... I have A HUGE ONE and here it goes: In Warrior Within when the prince travels back to the past, Kaileena was still alive right so how on earth are the monsters made of Sand when in fact The Sands of Time Haven't even been created ??? It's a HUGE plot hole and I asked it during one of the Chat sessions with Yannis Mallat and he did not Answer .... THEY BETTER EXPLAIN ALL THESE THINGS IN THE NEXT GAME .... I say BRING BACK Mechner and BRING BACK FARAH and EXPLAIN ALL THESE PLOT HOLES !!!!

[Yolkboy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sultans_Apple:
This post is probably going to make some of you go "What is WRONG with Apple, doesn't she READ?" <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
LOL! That was my first reaction. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Sultans_Apple]

I know, I know...shame on me for not reading and I MUST have missed posts on this before. But seriously, it's dumb. There's no plot hole if you do what Lethal said and make up your own backstory where he gets the amulet but come on... I'm not writing the story myself. I want it to flow smoothly and not be a choppy mess. Especially considering this is Prince of Persia and we're used to a great story!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[lethalsponge]

I didn't make up a background story.

I merely said there's nothing to suggest that he didn't meet Farah in those seven years. As a matter of fact, there's more evidence to suggest he did. You must have seen the second ending.

[TeeAlk]

What's the problem, @lethal? Be cool. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif We're all friends here, I thought.

[goonie08]

i realized something that i dont THINK has been mentioned before, but, i could be wrong...

the prince didnt get any powers until he got to the island of time, and when he went through the first portal, he got his first power, remember? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

[Sea_Maiden]

I never had the booklet because I rented the game, so I'm glad you posted this! Anyway, I think it's a wee bit dubious too...if Farah could control time then she would've been able to save the Prince when he was out of sand and fell/died in battle/etc. But we all know that never happened. I guess if you wanted to, you could just say she didn't know how to use it, and the Prince figured it out for himself later on down the road.

And about the visiting Farah again thing? I'm all for it. I say ha to you Ubi! We're onto you, now you'll HAVE to put Farah in the next game to explain what happened.

[HystericFreak]

This if not explained, is a huge plot hole. I hope in the next one they at least tell us briefly how he got the amulet... We never saw him aqquire it.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif Apple, check your messages, e-mail, and other things... Your imoto needs to play with you.

[TeeAlk]

That's how I see it, Sea_Maiden. I don't care about the story that way. But it's funny to talk about some ... uh, strange things. But I guess that happens when you try to make a sequel to a "closed" story.

See Matrix and its sequels, for example. Same thing.

[Shalafi88]

Its not that enormous flaw. i was surprised the prince could still use time but it had tod be because of so many traps that kill instantanly. And i read something that i quite accept, he got injuried by the dagger while holding farah, and if that does not give him the power, then he opened and closed the sands it is normal that remain something in him, and the amulet, it certanly was special, i think....well im not sure already but i had the ideia farah had given her amulet to the prince or at least he had keep it when she fall.. then the time went back, so i guess the amulet would return, but i also dont know everything. just one more thing i dont think the prince went back to "see" her after.. with the dahaka he wouldnt put her in danger.. and she forgot about him so it wouldn t that easy like a "visit" to the marahja daughter

[popsandtiger]

wow...feels like forever since i've been on these forums. ok, well, i agree, i'm kinda dissopointed in the whole "oh, well, she gave him the medallion...yeah...suckas" story that Ubi is tryin to feed us, i don't like it. it's a reason i'm rootin for a game set before WW, to fix all those freakin plot holes that were made. anyway, to explain why Farah didn't use the medallion in SOT, i had said in the "Anti-Farah" thread (don't worry, i'm a Farah lover, not a hater, i just posted in there for fun) that the Prince could use the medallion because of what happend in the end of SOT. and it makes sense too!! ok, think of it this way people, in the end of SOT, the Prince got cut by the daggar, and that cut allowed him to use the power of the medallion to control time. also, does everyone remember the very first teaser trailer? in it, it showed the Prince look at his hand that got cut, and a glow came out of his hand. so it's all good i guess, but yeah, Ubi SHOULD have explained all that in the game imo

[alinktothe_past]

Ok, well how do you know she didnt use it? Huh? Huh? Well, remember when the Prince used the dagger, Farah would say, "I felt as if Ive lived this moment before..." That means if she did use it, the Prince wouldn't know.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[pop_sot]

No one can write a better storyline of any POP game other than Jordan Mechner.He is the original Creator after all

[alinktothe_past]

Yeah youre right pop_sot

[Vexous]

I don't think its a plothole.

When the Prince reverses time at the end of SOT he keeps the dagger right? How? He hasn't gotten it yet, unless its immune to paradox, ie, it traveled with him through the rewind, as well it should. The amulet has the same properties, so it came with him in the rewind as well. Afterall, it protects people from turning into sandcreatures, so its not that big of a leap.

Now, why didn't Farah ever use the amulet? Personally, I never trusted her, but for those who did the answer is simple. She couldn't rewind time until the amulet went through a portal. Every portal the Prince goes through he gains abilities, so obviously, the amulet hadn't been "activated" until the island. Which of course means the dagger travels through a portal at some point, but before the Prince in SOT gets it.

[Broderbum_TM]

True. Apple, you are going to find so many loose ends in this game, it isn't funny. I enjoyed the gameplay and a lot of the story, but you end will a lot of self-contradicting theories in the end. Hopefully, the sequel to WW won't have the next 6 years summarized in a sentence in the game manual.

You end up feeling like you did at the end of Matrix Reloaded. You had expected an amazing sequel and come out of the theater scratching your head thinking, why the hell did they add so many what-ifs. The next game should only have direct conections to SoT and WW and no new charecters whose actions could affect the fate of the Prince.

[ponraj]

As far as i know that Prince got the Amulet from Farah in SOT itself.

Do you know when Prince and Farah takes bath and Farah tricks him and take away the sword and dagger.

Then the new cutscene starts with the prince still in the room and realises that there is no sword and dagger. At that moment the cutscene will show that farah has left the amulet and price will pick it up.

So i guess this is where he has picked up the Farah's amulet. So i think there is no plot hole in this regard.

[TeeAlk]

I'm sorry, but you're wrong, ponraj. He took the amulet, true, but later he put it down next to Farah's dead body. He never picked it up again. He rewound time, and that's it. And Farah had it in the end movie. So ... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[le_nin]

err... i never played sot, wasn't there any kind of time powers in that game? is it a new concept in ww?

[Yolkboy]

You never played SOT! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif Go play it right now! No seriously, SOT was what revived the series to its full glory.

[thelennmeister]

OK, i think i got it. Oh, btw hey everyone, sorry, i haven't posted in a while. Anyways, remember in SoT when Farah took his sword and dagger, and left the amulet on the little table thing, and he picked it up and was like, "FARAAAAAHHHH!!"? Well, later he stuck the dagger in the hourglass and rewound everything back to the beginning, right? Well, when he rewound back to the beginning, he still had the dagger, and all of his clothes. So, maybe when he rewound back to the beginning, he still had it , and maybe he found it later on, and was like, "Oh, yeah i forgot about this, cool!" That's just what i think, althoug i could be wrong. <span class="ev_code_Red">That's My Opinion</span>

[Cherislove]

I think that in the next sequel Kaileena will explain to the Prince why he was able to use the amulet. Perhaps he will tell her his part of the story, the time when he had to run for his life for seven years. At least it would make sense to me if this would happen, because if it doesn't I really will be dissapointed in the game.

[Nick_Kondakov]

Well.
This is how I see it. With a little bit of imagination =).
Prince returned to Farah after SOT. To propose I guess =).
And that is when The Dahaka appeared for the FIRST time. Only the Prince managed to escape. Farah was killed and the Prince got the amulet. And this is why he was "cheating" on Farah with Kaileena. Because for him - Farah is dead for seven years.
But when he prevented SOT from creating, he prevented Farah's death. Thus making her alive and victim of his evil self (the hooded one from "water sword ending")
As for "Evil Self".
When Prince got his "second chance" as Sandwraith he saw himself, but not KILLED by the Dahaka... CONSUMED by the Dahaka!
And so when he killed the Dahaka at the end of WW - he released everyone it consumed. Violators of the Timeline. Everyone who ever used the Wraith Mask. But they all are tainted by the Dahaka and turned into something really UGLY. But powerful =). That is why the hood. And logically they want revenge on their normal doubles. And here we have POP3.
The Prince versus The Evil Prince & his generals.

[Crouching.Tiger]

it sounds sad, Nick, but interesting. as long as Farah is alive I won't complain http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
but wasn't the dahaka set out to kill the prince? not to "consume" him?

[Nick_Kondakov]

Maybe this is how it kills, By consuming. And as long as the Dahaka is alive - it makes no difference.
Also it opens up a lot of possibilities, Like everyone who was consumed are forced to serve The Fate. Sometimes you need an army, not just one Dahaka, to correct paradoxes. And when that happens The Fate spawns an army of consumed people.
And maybe the Dahaka as some kind of uber-Guardian exists not as dot on Timeline with past behind it and future ahead of it (as we all are), but as line. So it exists throughout the Timeline. So when Prince was consumed he was already forced to battle as a soldier of The Fate in great battles of the past. So in his personal time he is like 500 years old... and Evil =))
Just let your imagination flow... =)

[Piega]

I think it's a small flaw. I'll bet when they made the story for WW the FMV's were already done for SOT. It would cost too much to remake that video http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Shalafi88]

well Nick_Kondakov your story has some strange things.. and i dont think we can just imagine anything, there are some limits. that about the dahaka consuming..i guess it could be but i would prefer not because i really am expecting some human enemys in the return to the homeland and i got quite sick of the dahaka, of course time travelling will continue i think.

The medallion.. ponraj i had the same idea, if he put it back in her again.. really is strange, but for me the cut of the time dagger was enough to giv him powers.. they should just hav forgotten about the medallion..

[Sea_Maiden]

Ah you're right Vexous, I forgot about how the Prince gained powers as the game progressed, and you couldn't do anything with time in the beginning of the game. That explains that!

But as for the Prince getting that amulet...I watched the ending again and Farah clearly was wearing it when the Prince jumped off her balcony. So something must've happened, he must've gone back and convinced her to give it to him somehow. And somehow he must've won her trust. So in a way, this plothole leaves a lot open for the next game, because it means the Prince and Farah have some kind of relationship. Probably nothing really deep or she would've been a bigger part of the game, but a relationship nonetheless!

[z64FAN13]

I dunno, I was kinda lost. I didn't even know the amulet existed until the Dahaka took it away. Plus I don't remember it ever being mentioned in SOT. But being a shallow fan, I'll soke up anyting those Ubi dudes dish out. I think allot of it is left to the imagination, which I find much more fun than if they pontificate all the information at you. Think of it as a book without pictures. The authors let you create your own image of what's really going on in the subtext. It doesn't really matter. The game rocked and that's all I care about. And I still think Lethal's gonna get one in the jaw one of these days. You cannot change your fate. No man can. Buba says hi.

[T1redoslop]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TeeAlk:
I'm sorry, but you're wrong, ponraj. He took the amulet, true, but later he put it down next to Farah's dead body. He never picked it up again. He rewound time, and that's it. And Farah had it in the end movie. So ... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Incorrect, he did put it down next to Farah's dead body, but as soon as the Vizier showed up, he quickly took it and went for the Vizier.
Sultans_Apple, why make such a stupid thread like this?

[Sultans_Apple]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T1redoslop:
Sultans_Apple, why make such a stupid thread like this? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

thanks for respecting my opinion. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I'll be sure to do the same for you in the future.

[TeeAlk]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T1redoslop:
Incorrect, he did put it down next to Farah's dead body, but as soon as the Vizier showed up, he quickly took it and went for the Vizier. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't think so, but I'm not sure ... and ... who cares ... The important thing is, Farah has the amulet in the end movie. And he leaves her without taking it. That's all I need to know ... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Persian-Solider]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Incorrect, he did put it down next to Farah's dead body, but as soon as the Vizier showed up, he quickly took it and went for the Vizier. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

WRONG!! He never had the chance to pick it up again. There have been pix on this forum but can't find them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif I always thought he picked it up too.

But anyway it isn't such a big deal, like NICK said 'use ur imagination'(for now, anyway)! I don't think UBI will explain this 'plot hole' in the next series, as it won't be appropriate, depending on which way they r heading with the story. Although it will make ALOT of us happy!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And I still think Lethal's gonna get one in the jaw one of these days. You cannot change your fate. No man can <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How u gonna manage dat, I'd like to see dat one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

[Apocrypha_Roxy]

Y'know, Apple, I said the same thing to myself.
Wait, first, I read it. Then I did a double take.
'Cause I don't remember anything about the Prince taking Farah's medallion. And I've lent my copy of SoT to someone, so I can't check. But the medallion DOES protect against the Sands, as the manual for SoT and its strategy guide suggests.

It's not a stupid topic. Just an interesting plothole.

Folks, when you're dealing with epic stories and sequels, especially with videogames, prepare your rear ends for massive plotholes and inconsistencies. It's a fact of life.

[z64FAN13]

I think the only possibility is the one Farah left behind after the bath scene. Some people say he leasves it by Farahs dead body. That may be true. I can't remember. But what other medallion could UBI possibly be referring to?

[TeeAlk]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by z64FAN13:
I think the only possibility is the one Farah left behind after the bath scene. Some people say he leasves it by Farahs dead body. That may be true. I can't remember. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So you know "Sands Of Time"? But wait, it doesn't matter. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif The WW manual writes "Thanks to the talisman Farah gave him at the end of Sands Of Time, ..." (page 7). And that is wrong. She gave him nothing. He left without the amulet. But I don't have a problem with the idea, they (the Prince and Farah) met after that. It's not a big thing.

The manual is wrong. That's all. I mean, it's not the first time. My SOT manual wanted me to believe, Farah's bow protects her from the sands. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

However, the amulet thing is some kind of a plot hole, but I can live with it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[ertugrula]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lethalsponge:
Dammit.

It's not a bloody plothole. There's nothing to suggest that the Prince did not vist Farah again in the seven years that have passed since SoT. Also, it says in the first game that Farah's amulet is as ancient as the Sands of Time itself, and protects her from becoming a
Sand Creature(along with the Dagger, and the Vizier's staff), so who's to say it doesn't have the ability to control time?

Just 'cause you and/or Farah didn't use the amulet to control time in SoT doesn't mean that ti can't.

Furthermore, this is a video game, Ubi can pull stuff out of their colons and call it as they like. It doesn't have to have perfect continuity, even though it _does_. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's right.Yore the man!!!Go lethalsponge.I could make 5 great movies from the plot of POP.
The amulet of time,the vizier's staff...They both were created together with the sands.

[jkulis]

A lot of things happened in WW which shouldn't have.

Hmm.

been here a couple days, and I'm beginning to wonder how beat to death this topic is.

[TeeAlk]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ertugrula:
I could make 5 great movies from the plot of POP. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I would like to see one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The amulet of time,the vizier's staff...They both were created together with the sands. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
after, I guess, not with. However, you forgot the Dagger of time. So much for the "I could make 5 great movies" theory. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


(No offense, btw)