PROOF the game has already been delayed

[FoxHero]

Well, since all of you doubted the news, here is the proofiest proof you can have, the Ubisoft Entertainment third quarter revenue report and updates 2005-2006 fiscal year outlook:

http://www.ubisoftgroup.com/resources/binary/upload//Ub...05-06_ENG_012606.pdf (http://www.ubisoftgroup.com/resources/binary/upload//Ubisoft_CA_Q3_05-06_ENG_012606.pdf)

Last page, release schedule.

Now argue. I usually don't pout but this time I have to say "told you". Ubi pushed back TWO games recently, one was a supposed 360 launch title, one the new Splinter Cell.

Ubi, you rock http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

[FoxHero]

Well, since all of you doubted the news, here is the proofiest proof you can have, the Ubisoft Entertainment third quarter revenue report and updates 2005-2006 fiscal year outlook:

http://www.ubisoftgroup.com/resources/binary/upload//Ub...05-06_ENG_012606.pdf (http://www.ubisoftgroup.com/resources/binary/upload//Ubisoft_CA_Q3_05-06_ENG_012606.pdf)

Last page, release schedule.

Now argue. I usually don't pout but this time I have to say "told you". Ubi pushed back TWO games recently, one was a supposed 360 launch title, one the new Splinter Cell.

Ubi, you rock http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

[Jolly-Joker]

If that's so, why don't we have an official statement then? Should be a matter of a few minutes right?

[Justice]

a voice booms as the last gestur of the leaving bartender.

* we saw this one or two days ago, it has allready been doomed not worthy, since they have this habiit to change it a bit now and then, it is not binding to say it a bit clearer*

[oliv_211]

" hooo i'm sooooooo surprised " -sic
" hooo surely it's due to our POWER-POWERFULL petition " -siiiic http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

[LCThomas]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If that's so, why don't we have an official statement then? Should be a matter of a few minutes right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because you have been working in a marketing firm for years, and know exactly how long it takes for annoucements and statements to be made after a financial statement right?

[FoxHero]

The OFFICIAL FINANCIAL REPORT is not worthy? What sources do you like? The CEO? Who likely has the same information channels as the financial department.

Really guys... *sighs* http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[skortzy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jolly-Joker:
If that's so, why don't we have an official statement then? Should be a matter of a few minutes right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

More like a matter of a few weeks (as I tried to explain on another thread).

[Jolly-Joker]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LCThomas:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If that's so, why don't we have an official statement then? Should be a matter of a few minutes right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because you have been working in a marketing firm for years, and know exactly how long it takes for annoucements and statements to be made after a financial statement right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Man, the revenue report does not DECIDE what happens, it just states what is defintely KNOWN to happen. So if it WOULD have been delayed the decision makers would know this BEFORE the report was written, right? Not the other way round. So they would have actually have a lot MORE time to make a statement or what do you think how that corp is run?

[Jolly-Joker]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by skortzy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jolly-Joker:
If that's so, why don't we have an official statement then? Should be a matter of a few minutes right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

More like a matter of a few weeks (as I tried to explain on another thread). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's bull, and you know it. See above.

[LCThomas]

Man, the revenue report does not DECIDE what happens, it just states what is defintely KNOWN to happen. So if it WOULD have been delayed the decision makers would know this BEFORE the report was written, right? Not the other way round. So they would have actually have a lot MORE time to make a statement or what do you think how that corp is run?

...And you know all this because...?

I think I'll trust the other guy , who actually has some dealing with this stuff.

[Bossmanz]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6143245.html

The delay has been confirmed.

[chaosgorgon]

ok JJ if there is that proof, then dont insist

at least give the devs and publishers some doubt-abvatage, maybe 1 week

anyway, if the "save heroes" stuff was completelly utter wrong, guess that isnt time to say "i told u", ppl make mistakes, and ppl love the paranoia, lol

[Shadhun]

Im just wondering. What about if HOMM 5 will be released in May for example ?. Those all petition agitators will be soooo proud "we saved that game". What if game will be released in march and will be good ?.. They will say "we were wrong ?" i dont think so http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

[Justice]

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1851065692/m/6421074404

[FoxHero]

*sighs*
When you grow up you find out that the workings of buisness are quite different from what you imagined. You imagine a perfectly precise machine while I see something that miraculously holds together even though it suffers heavy abuse.

First is Finance. The earliest, most accurate info you can get. That's what investors look for.
Then comes marketing. Marketing usually take what they get from the reports and try to wrap it all in nice blanket, also planning out a news release schedule.

If you ran the company maybe you would do it differently but that's how most major companies work today. Besides, the report was issued 26th of January, why should marketing make an announcement just then? Because it's soooooo important?

Well, now it is, thanks to you guys but I can already hear some people pondering the worth of dealing with a community openly early on instead of simply building up hype and keep everything under wraps.

I can't tell you to grow up because one simply grows but at least try your best to behave mature. And nearly cussing at the publisher isn't the way to go http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[skortzy]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jolly-Joker:
That's bull, and you know it. See above. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I regret that you reacted this way.

Yes, the decision (if it was taken) was probably taken a few weeks ago (probably before the open beta). They probably wanted to see the reaction of the open beta testers before they communicate it. And, whether you like it or not, releasing such an information to the public takes time!

I do doubt your good intentions, but your decision was taken in big hurry without considering all the facts!

[FoxHero]

It's the US juridical system's fault: guilty until proved innocent http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

[FoxHero]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by skortzy:
I do doubt your good intentions, but your decision was taken in big hurry without considering all the facts! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You mean you don't doubt, right?

Small typos, big mistakes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[red_12345]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Shadhun:
Im just wondering. What about if HOMM 5 will be released in May for example ?. Those all petition agitators will be soooo proud "we saved that game". What if game will be released in march and will be good ?.. They will say "we were wrong ?" i dont think so http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The game might be released even in Feb - it doesn't matter, what matters is the state of the game. The delay is needed to make the essential changes, but even if the game will be released in may, we don;t know if the game will be more or less complete.

Will the game be good, when released in march? DO you believe it, when seeing the demo? So MANY things to add (not only to squash some bugs) - music samples, heroes portraits, spells descriptions, interface tweaks, major parts of the game will have to be changed (at least the battle plan size) and I am not talking about countless bugs...

Maybe the decided to postpone the game LONG ago before the saveheroes.org site was founded, but (once more) does it matter? We simply gave Ubi another reason (minor, I know, but it's all we could do) to delay the release of the game. We did something and Ubi understood that for some group of HoMM fans the good state of the game is far more important than the faster release.

[FoxHero]

Honestly Red, no, I don't think it really matters. But it somehow makes me cry noone had the guts to stand up and say "I don't doubt what's in the press, neither gamespot nor the financial report. I also trust them of the behalf of their track-record for pushing back games and releasing quality so far."

That's what actually makes me sad, to see none of the community sites took an independant stance instead of simply following the great movement of sheer doubt http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

[LCThomas]

...I will!

I don't doubt what's in the press, neither gamespot nor the financial report. I also trust them of the behalf of their track-record for pushing back games and releasing quality so far

[Ribannah]

If you look more closely at the report, you will notice that the delay of the Splinter Cell expansion is explicitly mentioned, while there is no word at all about Heroes V.

However, stock market rules state that UbiSOft is obliged to disclose any information that can affect their outlook.

This means that the decision has not been taken yet. As soon as it is taken, there will be an additional press release and an update of the schedule.

[Jolly-Joker]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LCThomas:
...I will!

I don't doubt what's in the press, neither gamespot nor the financial report. I also trust them of the behalf of their track-record for pushing back games and releasing quality so far </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You don't doubt what's in the press? I have to say I feel a bit sorry for you.
Listen to Ribannah, she's got it right.

[FoxHero]

This was case specific to the releases, not in general. Smart-allic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

And there is nothing to disclose since it's not in the release list. Which means the "delay" will not affect their outcome. They only thing they would have to announce is the date of March 31th since this would go against the information in the official finance report.

The argument was good but not thought to it's very end. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[chaosgorgon]

guess that even with such proofs some ppl will again and again insist in their "campaign", thats the ppl, always wanted to being in something, no matter what......

[Ribannah]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FoxHero:
This was case specific to the releases, not in general. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> That's not how it works. A company that has public shares cannot decide only to bring news on one specific topic. If there is news, they have to publish it.

[FoxHero]

Ribannah, this was directed at the "You don't doubt what's in the press?" comment, not at you.

What you say is true but they have until the next report to announce that since the financial report is what's binding in relation to it's shareholders.

A HoMM5 release in Q1 means the would have to revise the predictions upward whereupon a press-release has to be issued. Since that is not the case they are in no hurry to announce the new estimated release date. Or at least until the whole petition thing started.

GamingMag release dates are in no way binding for a company, even if it's been wrong 30 times so far.

Be assured we will hear soemthing tomorrow but not because of their obligations to shareholders. As far as they are involved, the game is already a non Q1 release.

Fox

[FoxHero]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chaosgorgon:
guess that even with such proofs some ppl will again and again insist in their "campaign", thats the ppl, always wanted to being in something, no matter what...... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unfortunately, it seems that way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[f_a_t_e]

Well Fox, i must say; you've said quite a lot of things that i have been wanting to, only much more eloquintly than i would have been able to.
Thanx. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[Vision_ToL]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FoxHero:
Be assured we will hear soemthing tomorrow but not because of their obligations to shareholders. As far as they are involved, the game is already a non Q1 release.

Fox </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

While I am hopeful that we will indeed hear something tomorrow, know this: The investors and shareholders are NOT already looking at H5 on a non-Q1 release. The OFFICERS ARE, by means of the financial statement, THINKING ABOUT whether to release the game on schedule or not. NOTHING is concrete (Q1 release or not) UNTIL A FORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT IS MADE.

You should re-think your "corporate involvement" and reword your statements. They are all flawed, unfortunately for those who believe you.

If you want my credentials, I will be more than happy to provide them.