those who hate the suit

[splinterfactor]

for those who hate the suit and say it is to unrealistic let me show you something... http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jul2004/2004072705b.jpg ... and for those who still cannot believe the picture read this... http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jul2004/n07272004_2004072705.html ...so stop complaining about not being realistic cuz the game is based on realism...ubisoft and their little grin aint stupid to do stuff for ghost recon that aint realistic...so eveyrone whose gonna complain shut your traps...thank you...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[splinterfactor]

for those who hate the suit and say it is to unrealistic let me show you something... http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jul2004/2004072705b.jpg ... and for those who still cannot believe the picture read this... http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jul2004/n07272004_2004072705.html ...so stop complaining about not being realistic cuz the game is based on realism...ubisoft and their little grin aint stupid to do stuff for ghost recon that aint realistic...so eveyrone whose gonna complain shut your traps...thank you...http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

[splinterfactor]

also heres a quote i wanna point out for those whose complaining about the health bar...

"The onboard computer will monitor soldiers' overall physiological picture of how they are performing in the battle zone. "Warrior Physiological Status Monitoring System gives the soldier's body core temperature, skin temperature, heart rate, whether the soldier is standing or prone, and how much water the soldier has drunk," DeGay said.

A medic, who can be miles away, will now be able to diagnose and treat a soldier who is about to have sunstroke, without even physically seeing the soldier. "So a medic can see how the soldier's core body temperature is rising (and) heart rate is falling, and the soldier then knows to go directly to the medic for treatment," DeGay said. "The computer will drop down a map to direct the soldier where to find the medic for help."

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jul2004/2004072705c_hr.jpg

[RWG.Jackal]

Already posted. But more in depth.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/2791043913/m/9391046323

[splinterfactor]

what he and i are talking about are both part of the land warrior program...but what he is talking about is an older part of it for example... http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/land-warrior-lwc.jpg VS. http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jul2004/2004072705b.jpg ...see the difference between the 2?... you can definatly tell which one is more older and which one isnt...

[SEN ONE]

Where did you read someone say it wasn't real?

[combine_minion]

that armor is sick

[Thunderpants1]

I personally cannot wait. Well, it looks like I have no choice, but dang!

[AlphaDelta219]

i was kind of looking forward to joining the Duct Tape army with the land warrior http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

[Thunderpants1]

I read somwhere that the 2020 system has optical camo, making it like Preditors from that movie with Ahnuld in it. Am I mistaken?

[Alex_HS]

I dont hate the "suit", i just dont think it will make it, it will be very expensive, sensitive, maybe even clumsy and in combat/firefight situations.. useless, the moment soldiers get shot at they will forget all that lab bs and do their thing the old fashioned way, its problably just another expensive failure like the LW program was. They (UBI/RSE) could scrap this future warrior poop and use these features the realistic, current way, satcoms, gps, laser designaters, i think the game would be alot more atractive this way and less "Haloish" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

[Thunderpants1]

So youre saying we dont advance our forces technologically, and wait for someone to outdo us, and all of a sudden we are outgunned in a war, take heavy casualties, and ultimately lose? Technology will always be synonimous with military superiority. Now I can attest to how heavy the current gear is, and to be carrying less than half of that sounds like a good idea to me. That alone makes the new system more appealing. The fact that protection, survivability, command, control, and communications is up makes it even more good looking in our eyes. So before you go calling it too HALOish, be aware of the fact that HALOish is the wave of the future for infantry. In fact, the 2020 suit seems to me to bring the individual soldier up to "Master Chief" status.

[Alex_HS]

Im not saying that, read properly. Im saying that in the field this load of rubish will fail miserably and the cost is problably too high to make this stuff standard infantry equipment even if it was worth it.
And regarding the game i would rather have selectable equipment like the ones i mentioned above than a cluttered HUD filled with fictional devices based on a prototype model that wont be available anytime soon, if at all.
I think comunications, laser designation and navigation are good features to be included in the game but on a less fictional/futuristic way.

[pearcie_no1]

Even if it isn't brought out soon, there is no doubt it will be brought out. In the future costs of technology will indefinitely decrease, as that is the way of things, and these suits, or if not something better will take the place of our standard infantry webbing kits.

There is nothing unrealistic about it. If you want something that uses primitive suits and kits then Call Of Duty is getting pretty cheap nowadays.

[Thunderpants1]

You call it a load of rubbish, but I can tell you from personal experience that it looks more appealing than what we are lugging around nowadays. Ill bet you just dont like the less-than-streamlined appearence of the suit. I cant say I like the astetic(sp?) value either, but thats not whats important. As for price, youll notice that standard infantry carry around thousands of dollars worth of equipment around on their backs already; Im not just talking about NVGs, rifles, bullets, and body armor, boots and uniforms are expensive, as well. So if a few thousand more dollars can bring more soldiers back from the battlefield alive, Im sure the government is sure to give it to us.

[GabRaz1981]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Im not saying that, read properly. Im saying that in the field this load of rubish will fail miserably and the cost is problably too high to make this stuff standard infantry equipment even if it was worth it.
And regarding the game i would rather have selectable equipment like the ones i mentioned above than a cluttered HUD filled with fictional devices based on a prototype model that wont be available anytime soon, if at all.
I think comunications, laser designation and navigation are good features to be included in the game but on a less fictional/futuristic way. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



How do you know they'll fail so badly? For example, the FBCB2 system (which could be considered the ancestor of GRAWs "cross-com" system) has proven to be one of the most important and helpful systems fielded by Stryker Brigades and other mechanized and infantry units in Iraq.

http://peoc3t.monmouth.army.mil/FBCB2/images/V4_New_2a.jpg
FBCB2

Furure Warrior just takes that design and makes it smaller, it's a proven system that's just going to be miniaturized. Already there's the FBCB2-CDA that will be fielded this year for brigade commanders and officers and a Dismounted Battle Command System that will equip squad leaders, this combines command and control features with GPS, mission planning, and color map capability in one system along with a positioning system for each soldier. All this within a year or so, imagine in 10?

http://www.rol.ru/pictures/it/news/fbcb2cda.jpg
FBCB2-CDA

All other systems shown integrate vision systems onto the helmet and weapons combining thermal devices with sights, again there's nothing special here, 20 years ago personal night vision systems were boxy and heavy, now the PVS-14 is a lightweight system, it's not too hard to imagine that sooner or later such a system would be integrated into ballistic helmets. Same thing goes for the monocular heads up display, Apache pilots have been using a similar IHADS sight for 2 decades, what's so different?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> I dont hate the "suit", i just dont think it will make it, it will be very expensive, sensitive, maybe even clumsy and in combat/firefight situations.. useless, the moment soldiers get shot at they will forget all that lab bs and do their thing the old fashioned way </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Are u assuming that current systems don't fail either, I'm pretty sure current radios, GPS, or night vision equipment would be vunerable to failure, the only difference is that we have the capability to make them lighter and more effective, giving soldiers better situation awareness, integrating various systems together.



If you want you can propose to GRIN/UBI that the system could have a malfunction during a mission or two, and see how the player copes with the complete situational awerness blackout, of course he'd have a paper map as back-up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

BTW, Land Warrior spiralled into Soldier Warrior, Air Warrior, and Mounted Warrior, that's why u don't hear of it anymore, not because it failed. Much of the systems tested and developed for land Warrior will find their way to each of these different programs. And we're not the only ones going this way, the Germans, French (BOA), Australians, and Brits (FIST/FRES) to name a few are developing similar systems

[FunkyDrunkBunny]

I myself like the black suit. It reminds me of Half Life 2. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif