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Extreme_One
03-15-2011, 04:41 PM
Originally posted on banana forum (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=19216):

Seems that there are a few people that are a little unfamiliar with Steam and it's features other than it's DRM so I thought I'd make a couple of points about some of the features that may (or may not) be included in CloD as a result of Steam integration.

The following list is merely to illustrate what is possible.

Steam Region Censorship

In a few games there are slightly different versions for players in different territories.

The German version of Counter-Strike: Source and Team Fortress 2 are two games that use region locking to censor the violence.

In Counter-Strike: Source instead of dead bodies covered in blood you see submissive avatars covered in paint.

In Team Fortress 2 instead of flying body parts you see flying robot pieces to mask the (cartoon) violence.

German players can play with players from other regions, they don't see the violence whereas those in other regions see the uncensored content.

Perhaps in IL2: Cliffs of Dover the German players (and any players in other territories where it's banned) may not see the Hakenkreuz but in other territories it is displayed.

Steam Cloud Synchronising (http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/ov_cloud.php)

Steam cloud provisioning has expanded from 1 MB per user to 100 MB per user, per game. The Steam Cloud API allows your game to write and retrieve files for each user. Use it for personalized settings like keyboard, mouse, and gamepad configurations, multiplayer sprays, or even saved games. Steam Cloud is a natural extension of the portability that Steam affords gamers. Shipped first with Left 4 Dead, Steam Cloud is now a proven resource and is becoming an integral part of the Steam experience.

Perhaps in IL2: Cliffs of Dover our joystick settings, our preferred skin choices, our avatar selections will all be synchronised with the Steam Cloud.

This feature is optional, users can always choose NOT to synchronise with the Steam Cloud for any of the games that support it.

Steam Achievements (https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4462-UIOB-0425)

For those that care about such things, a great many Steampowered (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steampowered) games offer gamers the chance to collect Achievements.


Achievements are rewards for completing game objectives or performing pre-determined actions in a game. The Steam Community Overlay will notify you when you have unlocked an achievement in Steam. Your achievements can be viewed in the game's main menu or through the stats in the Steam Community.

In a game like CloD you might receive an achievement for your first landing, for your first confirmed kill, for flying a certain number of campaign missions etc. etc.



So maybe, just maybe there are a couple of other reasons that this game is coming to Steam.

I'm not expecting those of you that are unhappy that Steam is being utilised to suddenly change heart, but I'm merely informing people of the things that Steampowered games can offer.

Disclaimer: There are plenty of games that are sold through Steam that contain none of the above features.


ps. Steam is now on MAC and coming soon to PS3 with the release of Portal 2.

There are now several games where if you own the game you can play it on MAC or PC with the same Steam account.

Extreme_One
03-15-2011, 04:41 PM
Originally posted on banana forum (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=19216):

Seems that there are a few people that are a little unfamiliar with Steam and it's features other than it's DRM so I thought I'd make a couple of points about some of the features that may (or may not) be included in CloD as a result of Steam integration.

The following list is merely to illustrate what is possible.

Steam Region Censorship

In a few games there are slightly different versions for players in different territories.

The German version of Counter-Strike: Source and Team Fortress 2 are two games that use region locking to censor the violence.

In Counter-Strike: Source instead of dead bodies covered in blood you see submissive avatars covered in paint.

In Team Fortress 2 instead of flying body parts you see flying robot pieces to mask the (cartoon) violence.

German players can play with players from other regions, they don't see the violence whereas those in other regions see the uncensored content.

Perhaps in IL2: Cliffs of Dover the German players (and any players in other territories where it's banned) may not see the Hakenkreuz but in other territories it is displayed.

Steam Cloud Synchronising (http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/ov_cloud.php)
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Steam cloud provisioning has expanded from 1 MB per user to 100 MB per user, per game. The Steam Cloud API allows your game to write and retrieve files for each user. Use it for personalized settings like keyboard, mouse, and gamepad configurations, multiplayer sprays, or even saved games. Steam Cloud is a natural extension of the portability that Steam affords gamers. Shipped first with Left 4 Dead, Steam Cloud is now a proven resource and is becoming an integral part of the Steam experience. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Perhaps in IL2: Cliffs of Dover our joystick settings, our preferred skin choices, our avatar selections will all be synchronised with the Steam Cloud.

This feature is optional, users can always choose NOT to synchronise with the Steam Cloud for any of the games that support it.

Steam Achievements (https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4462-UIOB-0425)

For those that care about such things, a great many Steampowered (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steampowered) games offer gamers the chance to collect Achievements.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Achievements are rewards for completing game objectives or performing pre-determined actions in a game. The Steam Community Overlay will notify you when you have unlocked an achievement in Steam. Your achievements can be viewed in the game's main menu or through the stats in the Steam Community. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In a game like CloD you might receive an achievement for your first landing, for your first confirmed kill, for flying a certain number of campaign missions etc. etc.



So maybe, just maybe there are a couple of other reasons that this game is coming to Steam.

I'm not expecting those of you that are unhappy that Steam is being utilised to suddenly change heart, but I'm merely informing people of the things that Steampowered games can offer.

Disclaimer: There are plenty of games that are sold through Steam that contain none of the above features.


ps. Steam is now on MAC and coming soon to PS3 with the release of Portal 2.

There are now several games where if you own the game you can play it on MAC or PC with the same Steam account.

Feathered_IV
03-15-2011, 04:52 PM
Nice to know the potential exists. Thanks for taking the time to post that. Much appreciated.

M_Gunz
03-15-2011, 06:50 PM
Nice info in a straightforward package. TY for the links, I was wondering about thos 'achievements'.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Missing Stats

The Steam development team is still ironing out some of the bugs with the Steam stats and achievements.

If you notice that stats or achievements do not appear to be tracked, or previously attained stats and achievements are missing, that is a good sign that either stat tracking is temporarily down or that you may have an Internet connection issue. During this time, your stats and achievements may not be recorded. Unfortunately, that means they will not appear later when everything returns back to normal.

Occasionally there may be issues with attaining certain achievements - in these cases, you will need to wait for a patch addressing this problem in order to attain them.

Very rarely certain achievements will be reset or adjusted, typically following a patch that is intended to fix issues with that achievement.

In any cases where you are missing achievements, they unfortunately cannot be restored. You will need to re-attain achievements that have been lost.

If you are experiencing intermittent connection issues, please follow this guide. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bu-bu-bu-but....

So I dig more on achievements and find there's value that can be traded as well as cashed in. I guess that one may only want so many sets of earbuds (worth $20?) or of the same hat so can trade those to someone else for maybe a game.

So you earned a game hat and Steam didn't happen to see it then you are screwed and that is just tough. Expect that will be fixed sometime after two weeks. Read the EULA and see, Steam is not legally required to be available all the time.

Add: The Game Hat Trade and scam advice thread. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1666356&highlight=achievements)

Gimpymoo
03-15-2011, 07:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Nice info in a straightforward package. TY for the links, I was wondering about thos 'achievements'.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Missing Stats

The Steam development team is still ironing out some of the bugs with the Steam stats and achievements.

If you notice that stats or achievements do not appear to be tracked, or previously attained stats and achievements are missing, that is a good sign that either stat tracking is temporarily down or that you may have an Internet connection issue. During this time, your stats and achievements may not be recorded. Unfortunately, that means they will not appear later when everything returns back to normal.

Occasionally there may be issues with attaining certain achievements - in these cases, you will need to wait for a patch addressing this problem in order to attain them.

Very rarely certain achievements will be reset or adjusted, typically following a patch that is intended to fix issues with that achievement.

In any cases where you are missing achievements, they unfortunately cannot be restored. You will need to re-attain achievements that have been lost.

If you are experiencing intermittent connection issues, please follow this guide. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bu-bu-bu-but....

So I dig more on achievements and find there's value that can be traded as well as cashed in. I guess that one may only want so many sets of earbuds (worth $20?) or of the same hat so can trade those to someone else for maybe a game.

So you earned a game hat and Steam didn't happen to see it then you are screwed and that is just tough. Expect that will be fixed sometime after two weeks. Read the EULA and see, Steam is not legally required to be available all the time.

Add: The Game Hat Trade and scam advice thread. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1666356&highlight=achievements) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That thread has very little to NOTHING to do with CoD.

If achievements are not obtained, it is a bug within the game, not the Steam service so in this case we should be blaming Oleg http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DayGlow
03-15-2011, 07:21 PM
Ubi hasn't been known to come through with T-Shirts either, just ask Specture-USA

Statler86
03-15-2011, 07:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Nice info in a straightforward package. TY for the links, I was wondering about thos 'achievements'.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Missing Stats

The Steam development team is still ironing out some of the bugs with the Steam stats and achievements.

If you notice that stats or achievements do not appear to be tracked, or previously attained stats and achievements are missing, that is a good sign that either stat tracking is temporarily down or that you may have an Internet connection issue. During this time, your stats and achievements may not be recorded. Unfortunately, that means they will not appear later when everything returns back to normal.

Occasionally there may be issues with attaining certain achievements - in these cases, you will need to wait for a patch addressing this problem in order to attain them.

Very rarely certain achievements will be reset or adjusted, typically following a patch that is intended to fix issues with that achievement.

In any cases where you are missing achievements, they unfortunately cannot be restored. You will need to re-attain achievements that have been lost.

If you are experiencing intermittent connection issues, please follow this guide. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bu-bu-bu-but....

So I dig more on achievements and find there's value that can be traded as well as cashed in. I guess that one may only want so many sets of earbuds (worth $20?) or of the same hat so can trade those to someone else for maybe a game.

So you earned a game hat and Steam didn't happen to see it then you are screwed and that is just tough. Expect that will be fixed sometime after two weeks. Read the EULA and see, Steam is not legally required to be available all the time.

Add: The Game Hat Trade and scam advice thread. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1666356&highlight=achievements) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Those are all items in a game called Team Fortress 2. They are really all just flavor items to add a fun trading aspect to the game, however some people seem to be addicted to collecting the rare ones.

The only way to be scammed is by trying to do trades outside of the in-game trading system. For example, trying to trade a rare hat for paypal money, etc. This is against the ToS and is punishable.

Also, none of the achievement items are rare/special. Even if somehow the server did fail to reward an item could be easily attained from other players.

M_Gunz
03-15-2011, 08:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gimpymoo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Nice info in a straightforward package. TY for the links, I was wondering about thos 'achievements'.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Missing Stats

The Steam development team is still ironing out some of the bugs with the Steam stats and achievements.

If you notice that stats or achievements do not appear to be tracked, or previously attained stats and achievements are missing, that is a good sign that either stat tracking is temporarily down or that you may have an Internet connection issue. During this time, your stats and achievements may not be recorded. Unfortunately, that means they will not appear later when everything returns back to normal.

Occasionally there may be issues with attaining certain achievements - in these cases, you will need to wait for a patch addressing this problem in order to attain them.

Very rarely certain achievements will be reset or adjusted, typically following a patch that is intended to fix issues with that achievement.

In any cases where you are missing achievements, they unfortunately cannot be restored. You will need to re-attain achievements that have been lost.

If you are experiencing intermittent connection issues, please follow this guide. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bu-bu-bu-but....

So I dig more on achievements and find there's value that can be traded as well as cashed in. I guess that one may only want so many sets of earbuds (worth $20?) or of the same hat so can trade those to someone else for maybe a game.

So you earned a game hat and Steam didn't happen to see it then you are screwed and that is just tough. Expect that will be fixed sometime after two weeks. Read the EULA and see, Steam is not legally required to be available all the time.

Add: The Game Hat Trade and scam advice thread. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1666356&highlight=achievements) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That thread has very little to NOTHING to do with CoD.

If achievements are not obtained, it is a bug within the game, not the Steam service so in this case we should be blaming Oleg http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WHAT IS YOUR PERSONAL PROBLEM? MY POST IS NOT ABOUT COD. PLEASE GET YOURSELF HELP.

M_Gunz
03-15-2011, 08:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Statler86:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Nice info in a straightforward package. TY for the links, I was wondering about thos 'achievements'.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Missing Stats

The Steam development team is still ironing out some of the bugs with the Steam stats and achievements.

If you notice that stats or achievements do not appear to be tracked, or previously attained stats and achievements are missing, that is a good sign that either stat tracking is temporarily down or that you may have an Internet connection issue. During this time, your stats and achievements may not be recorded. Unfortunately, that means they will not appear later when everything returns back to normal.

Occasionally there may be issues with attaining certain achievements - in these cases, you will need to wait for a patch addressing this problem in order to attain them.

Very rarely certain achievements will be reset or adjusted, typically following a patch that is intended to fix issues with that achievement.

In any cases where you are missing achievements, they unfortunately cannot be restored. You will need to re-attain achievements that have been lost.

If you are experiencing intermittent connection issues, please follow this guide. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bu-bu-bu-but....

So I dig more on achievements and find there's value that can be traded as well as cashed in. I guess that one may only want so many sets of earbuds (worth $20?) or of the same hat so can trade those to someone else for maybe a game.

So you earned a game hat and Steam didn't happen to see it then you are screwed and that is just tough. Expect that will be fixed sometime after two weeks. Read the EULA and see, Steam is not legally required to be available all the time.

Add: The Game Hat Trade and scam advice thread. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1666356&highlight=achievements) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Those are all items in a game called Team Fortress 2. They are really all just flavor items to add a fun trading aspect to the game, however some people seem to be addicted to collecting the rare ones.

The only way to be scammed is by trying to do trades outside of the in-game trading system. For example, trying to trade a rare hat for paypal money, etc. This is against the ToS and is punishable.

Also, none of the achievement items are rare/special. Even if somehow the server did fail to reward an item could be easily attained from other players. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL. I go to the Steam site and search on achievements and see those for MANY games, not just TF2. Go look for yourself.

Then I check the forum and search on achievements and find that a LOT of trading goes on because apparently people want to. Hmmmm, maybe they get something outside the in-game system they can't inside? And that forum is the OFFICIAL forum at the Steam site and that thread has not been shut down.

Anyhow as the thread title states and Trollypoo can't seem to figure, these are Some things that Steam COULD bring to the table. And hey I am not judging, especially since no one HAS to get into or do ANY OF THIS. All I did was read and look and share what are related FACTS.

Gibbage1
03-15-2011, 09:24 PM
While I dont see the value of hats and stuff for pilots (could be cool) I think tracking kills and ranking is very cool. I liked that feature on some IL2 servers like GG and Zeek vs Wildcat, but it was limited to only that server, and was reset often.

Another benifit is the friends list. You can see what your friend is playing, and join his server. This was a feature in HyperLobby, but was not easy to use.

The voice comms that come with Steam is a feature most everyone will hate. Its rubbish! Stick with TS, Vent, or Skype.

K_Freddie
03-15-2011, 10:28 PM
This is absolutely great, steam will have saved a lot of marriages and relationships as these people will not buy or play steam games any more. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Extreme_One
03-16-2011, 12:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">...

Then I check the forum and search on achievements and find that a LOT of trading goes on because apparently people want to... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are mistaken.

You cannot trade achievements.

You can trade in-game items which you buy or collect as an in-game award.

AFAIK there is no other game apart from Team Fortress 2 where any of the above is possible.

Targ
03-16-2011, 01:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DayGlow:
Ubi hasn't been known to come through with T-Shirts either, just ask Specture-USA </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have an IL2 T-shirt and coffe mug!

Plus they sent me a free game for the 360 once http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Some of the perks I got for being a MOD here.

PB0_shadow
03-16-2011, 05:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Targ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DayGlow:
Ubi hasn't been known to come through with T-Shirts either, just ask Specture-USA </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have an IL2 T-shirt and coffe mug!

Plus they sent me a free game for the 360 once http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Some of the perks I got for being a MOD here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Got an IL2 T shirt too

and another one from a Russian Collector Edition I got http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Falcke
03-16-2011, 06:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gimpymoo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Nice info in a straightforward package. TY for the links, I was wondering about thos 'achievements'.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Missing Stats

The Steam development team is still ironing out some of the bugs with the Steam stats and achievements.

If you notice that stats or achievements do not appear to be tracked, or previously attained stats and achievements are missing, that is a good sign that either stat tracking is temporarily down or that you may have an Internet connection issue. During this time, your stats and achievements may not be recorded. Unfortunately, that means they will not appear later when everything returns back to normal.

Occasionally there may be issues with attaining certain achievements - in these cases, you will need to wait for a patch addressing this problem in order to attain them.

Very rarely certain achievements will be reset or adjusted, typically following a patch that is intended to fix issues with that achievement.

In any cases where you are missing achievements, they unfortunately cannot be restored. You will need to re-attain achievements that have been lost.

If you are experiencing intermittent connection issues, please follow this guide. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bu-bu-bu-but....

So I dig more on achievements and find there's value that can be traded as well as cashed in. I guess that one may only want so many sets of earbuds (worth $20?) or of the same hat so can trade those to someone else for maybe a game.

So you earned a game hat and Steam didn't happen to see it then you are screwed and that is just tough. Expect that will be fixed sometime after two weeks. Read the EULA and see, Steam is not legally required to be available all the time.

Add: The Game Hat Trade and scam advice thread. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1666356&highlight=achievements) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That thread has very little to NOTHING to do with CoD.

If achievements are not obtained, it is a bug within the game, not the Steam service so in this case we should be blaming Oleg http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WHAT IS YOUR PERSONAL PROBLEM? MY POST IS NOT ABOUT COD. PLEASE GET YOURSELF HELP. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wait, Why did you start about TF2 hats then in the first place?

M_Gunz
03-16-2011, 06:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Extreme_One:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">...

Then I check the forum and search on achievements and find that a LOT of trading goes on because apparently people want to... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are mistaken.

You cannot trade achievements.

You can trade in-game items which you buy or collect as an in-game award.

AFAIK there is no other game apart from Team Fortress 2 where any of the above is possible. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe that is why people are trading outside and why there are threads on doing that? I posted a link to what is possible.

Here again is the Game-Hat Trade thread. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1666356&highlight=achievements)

And here is a list of games that have/give/whatever Steam achievements. (http://steamcommunity.com/stats/)

You want to play Syntax and I could care less. You do something in a game with cheats off and you might get something. People are trading the somethings, sometimes for a game bought as a gift.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">VALUE OF ITEMS LESSON
I really, really hoped I wouldn't have to do this, but with all the ridiculous lowballing in this thread lately, looks like I have to.

At the time of writing this, one Refined Metal is about $1.20 USD, one Mann Co. Crate Key is $1.70, one Bill's Hat is about $13 USD, and one Earbuds is $19-22 USD. Why is this important? Because you can figure out the value of your items by translating it into how much refined or keys it's worth, and then multiply that number by the cash value of Refined Metal or Keys at that time. As an example, Portal 2 is currently $45 with a preorder. A fair offer would be two pairs of Earbuds + two or three nice Vintage hats. If you've been paying attention, two Earbuds, at their highest selling price, is about $44. Why add one or two nice vintage hats? Simply put, it's to give an incentive to the person buying you the game to get it. If they wanted to get two Earbuds, they could go to any trade server or SourceOP, find a thread selling them, and probably find them around the $19 mark, and save $7. By adding in hats, it gives them a reason to buy you the game. Be ready to pay a little extra in items than the game is worth if you want someone to buy it for you.

On the topic of Mann Co. store prices: THE PRICES IN THE MANN CO. STORE ARE NOT HOW MUCH THE ITEM IS ACTUALLY WORTH. No, really. There's no arguing this. Why? Because hats are craftable, paints, tags, and dueling minigames drop and uncrate. Anything you can get in the Mann Co. Store, excluding keys and Secret Saxtons and the like, are available in-game naturally. And key prices are decided by how many are on the market. Keys are almost never actually worth $2.50, seeing as you can buy them from other users at a lower price.

On the topic of newer promo items, such as the Killing Floor set and the MNC set: THESE ARE NOT EXTREMELY VALUABLE CURRENTLY. There are too many Killing Floor sets on the market for them to be worth anything, I can buy a vintage set for $3.50 on SourceOP. MNC set, while worth more than the KF set, aren't that valuable due to the lackluster items. The only item with some value in there is the Scout's Essential Accessories, due to it being a Misc. item. Even then, I hear going prices for it are only about 3-4 refined. The only newer promo items with value are the RIFT set, due to the price of the game. Whether or not it will keep a lot of value when the weapons are craftable, I can't quite tell.

On the topic of Vintage hats and weapons: By definition, the vintage items (excluding the glitched promo hats and the V. Luger) in TF2 are non-promo hats and weapons that existed before the Mannconomy update. What does this mean for you? It means that these items are generally more valuable than their non-vintage counterparts, seeing as each day, people will find and craft new hats and weapons. That means, over time, vintage items will grow more valuable. Now, why I can't list exact prices in refined for hats, I can give a bit of guidance on how to make a judgement. The worst Vintage hats (excluding Hatlesses and the Gatsby) are about 2-3 refined each, or 2 keys each. Mid-tier V. hats, ones that are good but not the best, average from 3-5 refined. The best of the best, like the Vintage Vintage Tyrolean, the Vintage Hound Dog, Vintage Procedure Mask, etc. are 6 refined at minimum, and can go up to a Bill's Hat in price, depending one which one. It's up to you to figure out your hat's worth. My advice, when trading hats for games, is to always estimate on the low-end of value, like 2 refined for a Vintage Pyro Beanie.

If I missed a topic, or if a part of this could be written better, please PM me and I'll clarify or add that to this guide.

MIDDLEMEN
My thread has two dedicated middlemen, JokersFlame and Trell. Both are incredibly trustworthy people, and seeing as Joker is located in the US in the EST time zone, and Trell is in the UK, there should be a middleman available most of the time. With Steam barely doing a thing to combat scammers, you should be using a middleman almost all the time, unless the person you're trading with is on the Good Trader list.

To get to JokersFlame's thread, click here, and to get to Trell's thread, click here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">The Good Traders List!
The Good Traders List is currently not open new members, you may be added if I've noticed a large amounts of trades in this thread or if you can provide ridiculous references, like UHC Admin references, a large SourceOP ref thread, etc.

Cribbit - generally great guy who knows his item values, link leads to his thread
Xeraus
2NE1 / kaloyster - Traded with him personally!
Folthanos - on trading hiatus (or break, for those of you too lazy to use Google. Shame on you.)
Never!
wildsolus
ronoc303
TheJCS
tsa579s
Mugen9892
sasaug
Aptanor - On hiatus
DevilSpawn
nitrox183
Biz! / lulz
rulleris
Kenny_McCormick Link takes you to his SourceOP references, he prefers to do business over PM then add when the deal is done.
sn00pig - traded with him personally!

The Bad Traders List:
This list is for the bad apples in a good bunch, the scammers, the ripoff-artists, other generally scummy people, the rule breakers, and, of course, the generally bad traders.
A note on people flagged with "bad trading practices": these people, while they've done something stupid related to trading, have not scammed someone. They're fine to trade with, just be wary something seems a bit off when trading with them.

TinkerHatfield, forum name is currently FueledByRamen Took items and ran, scam didn't occur in this thread, but there was enough proof in the PM I received to show it was him, and he's scammed others, he's been reported as a scammer by two different people at SourceOP. SteamID is STEAM_0:1:22903075

Minigun Took DOOM Ultimate Bundle and didn't complete trade, evidence was sufficient, including a PM of the emailed receipt. SteamID is STEAM_0:1:22800979.
UPDATE: Shortly after adding him to the list and posting he is a scammer, I received a PM from another user reporting that Minigun had scammed them.
UPDATE 2: I've received ANOTHER PM, this time from one of my trusted traders, filled with evidence of his previous scams. He is a (now banned) poster on Facepunch, and it's very known over there he is a scammer.
UPDATE 3: He's been banned from SPUF!
UPDATE 4: He scammed someone else. Again.

Gamefinisher - took a copy of L4D2, told the person who gifted the game to hold on because TF2 was updating (which was true, Amputator glitch fix+other things), then blocked communication. SteamID is STEAM_0:0:24681733
UPDATE: Aleks60, forum name, IS gamefinisher! The custom url as it is, aleks_and_stefans_account, leads straight to this page. He's had two people report the Steam forum name in the thread that he's a scammer, but I never saw a link to his page and couldn't link him. This thread proves it.
UPDATE 2: I received a PM from a forum member indicating that Gamefinisher has a second account. The name of the account, the avatar, and more stuff is the same, and he's also friends with Hat Salesman, his first account, which has now been banned. This current account does not own TF2, but you should still be careful just in case it does one day. Link is here.

In-game name currently The Hats, forum name unknown - Decided halfway into an unusual/unusual trade, after using refined to make up the difference, he refused to trade the last 8/9 refined, refused to accept a trade request from the middleman, and ran to another server to sell the unusual. When the middleman was explaining the story to everyone, he disconnected from the server. I've personally had a negative experience with this kid, DO NOT TRADE WITH HIM. SteamID is STEAM_0:0:33887371

Corn-Flake - Trying to sell Humble Indie Bundle for hats, see page 6 and 7 for proof.

TomZa123 - Tried to sell Humble Indie Bundle, page 143.

Fodaze - Sold Humble Indie Bundle

ezpel - bad trading practices - strung me along when trying to make a trade, stalled, backpedaled on statements about value

Dark Light - bad trading practices - strung along a user for 4 days, tried to pass ridiculous lies off as truth

Sniper Scyt - bad trading practices - flew off the handle regarding me telling him at how I value his item, generally rude, you can see from the summary on his profile he is an angry person and states himself he has "anger issues." Here's a screenshot of his current profile if he changes it. My suggestion: Don't trade with him unless you're willing to deal with a jerk.

FourTwenny (forum name) - bad trading practices - made very incorrect remarks about current values of items while being insulting, later posted an "offer' of an HHHH for Dead Space 2. Afterwards, he started trolling the thread.

Trad3r - Rule Breaking - constant attempts to sell a Monday Night Combat guest pass </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please tell this is not possible when you mean not possible through certain channels. It is happening, it is possible. Work that out.

Feathered_IV
03-16-2011, 07:03 AM
So... let me get this straight. These "hats" are virtual hats. Not real ones that arrive in the post. They're just in-game acheivement awards on a level with the glittery star sticker a schoolteacher might put on ones homework if it's good enough?

Bit trivial isn't it?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

JG52Uther
03-16-2011, 07:05 AM
Well I wish I understood any of the above!

M_Gunz
03-16-2011, 07:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Falcke:
Wait, Why did you start about TF2 hats then in the first place? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not just the hats Falcke. I was responding to and along with the Thread Title: Some things that Steam COULD bring to the table

My post is not judging or leading to any conclusion. I looked, I saw, I posted some of what Steam is making possible. And as I did post, no one is required to do any of that.

It's funny how I post one thing and people keep trying to make out that I posted something completely different. Did I post anywhere that I am providing answers specific to *Steam and CoD*? No. Did I -pretend or insinuate- having inside knowledge? No. Did I post negative comments about Steam? Possibly, when I point to Valve/Steam's own posted info about server downtime and people not getting their achievements recorded -- but I posted direct info from the company!

But let's just have a look at that last thing because there we have`games where Steam is running online reporting during offline game play. If you want your achievements then the connection must be working and you can be playing offline while it is down. Proof, tada, that playing offline without a live connect is possible --for some games that use Steam--. Although is this case it is viewed as a problem by both Steam and the customers.

I posted a link to a page listed many Steam games that have Steam Achievements. But whether CoD will include any is yet another open question. As the qualifying word in the thread title says, it *COULD*.

M_Gunz
03-16-2011, 07:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
So... let me get this straight. These "hats" are virtual hats. Not real ones that arrive in the post. They're just in-game acheivement awards on a level with the glittery star sticker a schoolteacher might put on ones homework if it's good enough?

Bit trivial isn't it?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">VALUE OF ITEMS LESSON
I really, really hoped I wouldn't have to do this, but with all the ridiculous lowballing in this thread lately, looks like I have to.

At the time of writing this, one Refined Metal is about $1.20 USD, one Mann Co. Crate Key is $1.70, one Bill's Hat is about $13 USD, and one Earbuds is $19-22 USD. Why is this important? Because you can figure out the value of your items by translating it into how much refined or keys it's worth, and then multiply that number by the cash value of Refined Metal or Keys at that time. As an example, Portal 2 is currently $45 with a preorder. A fair offer would be two pairs of Earbuds + two or three nice Vintage hats. If you've been paying attention, two Earbuds, at their highest selling price, is about $44. Why add one or two nice vintage hats? Simply put, it's to give an incentive to the person buying you the game to get it. If they wanted to get two Earbuds, they could go to any trade server or SourceOP, find a thread selling them, and probably find them around the $19 mark, and save $7. By adding in hats, it gives them a reason to buy you the game. Be ready to pay a little extra in items than the game is worth if you want someone to buy it for you. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Certainly, if $13 is trivial.

Feathered_IV
03-16-2011, 07:26 AM
Ah Okay. Are we celebrating free trade then or deploring Steam for frowning upon it?

M_Gunz
03-16-2011, 07:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG52Uther:
Well I wish I understood any of the above! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In the case of the trading, there are perks for doing hard things in different Steam games that can get players things or even just STATUS. Some are trading these prizes to others who will buy them Steam Games. Are there physical items? I see hats listed, also earbuds and the worth quoted are not trivial but who pays around $20 for earbuds? IMO to make reasonable sense enough to want to get into trading must take learning more and having things you would want to trade. Some people are already there.

This is just one of the things that Steam COULD bring to the table, an addition dimension we don't have with IL2 so far. But note the qualifying word *COULD*.

IMO the people posting about poor marketing of CoD are right. Why doesn't UBI tell us about all these wonderful things?

M_Gunz
03-16-2011, 07:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Ah Okay. Are we celebrating free trade then or deploring Steam for frowning upon it? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We? I am not making any such judgments. I do not have enough information to do so and do not have enough at stake to be agitated as I won't be pre-ordering CoD which -was- my plan (sorry Oleg!) less than a month ago. I will wait for the release and the dust to settle and not rely on weasel text or promises. That gives me at least two MONTHS latitude.

As for You and others, I dunno what that 'We' may make of any of it. I am not telling you what to think!

Statler86
03-16-2011, 09:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Statler86:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
Nice info in a straightforward package. TY for the links, I was wondering about thos 'achievements'.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Missing Stats

The Steam development team is still ironing out some of the bugs with the Steam stats and achievements.

If you notice that stats or achievements do not appear to be tracked, or previously attained stats and achievements are missing, that is a good sign that either stat tracking is temporarily down or that you may have an Internet connection issue. During this time, your stats and achievements may not be recorded. Unfortunately, that means they will not appear later when everything returns back to normal.

Occasionally there may be issues with attaining certain achievements - in these cases, you will need to wait for a patch addressing this problem in order to attain them.

Very rarely certain achievements will be reset or adjusted, typically following a patch that is intended to fix issues with that achievement.

In any cases where you are missing achievements, they unfortunately cannot be restored. You will need to re-attain achievements that have been lost.

If you are experiencing intermittent connection issues, please follow this guide. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bu-bu-bu-but....

So I dig more on achievements and find there's value that can be traded as well as cashed in. I guess that one may only want so many sets of earbuds (worth $20?) or of the same hat so can trade those to someone else for maybe a game.

So you earned a game hat and Steam didn't happen to see it then you are screwed and that is just tough. Expect that will be fixed sometime after two weeks. Read the EULA and see, Steam is not legally required to be available all the time.

Add: The Game Hat Trade and scam advice thread. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1666356&highlight=achievements) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Those are all items in a game called Team Fortress 2. They are really all just flavor items to add a fun trading aspect to the game, however some people seem to be addicted to collecting the rare ones.

The only way to be scammed is by trying to do trades outside of the in-game trading system. For example, trying to trade a rare hat for paypal money, etc. This is against the ToS and is punishable.

Also, none of the achievement items are rare/special. Even if somehow the server did fail to reward an item could be easily attained from other players. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL. I go to the Steam site and search on achievements and see those for MANY games, not just TF2. Go look for yourself. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I said items, not achievements. I'm pretty sure TF2 is the only game that has any trading scene.

Steam allows others to see your earned achievements(if profile is set to public) and keeps a record of them tied to your profile. This allows you to keep the ones you've earned in case of a hard drive crash, reformat, etc.

As far as actually creating achievement/reward systems for individual games, that is up to the developer. If Oleg wants achievements/rewards in CoD he has make it happen, as Steam merely tracks them on the individuals profile.

Achievements would be nice in CoD but the TF2 style trading scene makes no sense for CoD and is irrelevant.

M_Gunz
03-16-2011, 10:23 AM
I look in that 345 page thread and see people trading games for games and other things. It's NOT just TF2.

And again I guess the hard part is: Some things that Steam COULD bring to the table.

I guess that some people can't count to 3 without jumping to 5 first and yet others insist that it's really the alphabet. HELLO? I put up links.

mortoma
03-16-2011, 11:22 AM
Bottom line, there's nothing so great about steam that it's worth losing 25% of potential customers that would otherwise buy COD that simply won't buy it now. Count me out too. I'll still fly IL2, the whole steam thing really "steams" me.

I'm not going to buy COD even though I already had spent $100.00 to prepare for it!! I went and bought USB stick and rudders so I could play the game in Windows 7 to take advantage of my 6 gigs of ram and the DX10/11 stuff. I have plodded on with the old gameport stick and rudders in Win XP all this time. The brand new USB stick and rudder pedals are still in cellophane because when I found out about the steam stuff I just gave up. Money wasted!!

Gibbage1
03-16-2011, 12:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mortoma:
Bottom line, there's nothing so great about steam that it's worth losing 25% of potential customers that would otherwise buy COD that simply won't buy it now. Count me out too. I'll still fly IL2, the whole steam thing really "steams" me.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Id like to hear where you got THAT number from.

If you going to get agro over the use of Steam, your loss, but I gotta say, im not sorry to see ya go. Ill be happy to fly the friendly skies in your place.

Statler86
03-16-2011, 12:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
I look in that 345 page thread and see people trading games for games and other things. It's NOT just TF2.

And again I guess the hard part is: Some things that Steam COULD bring to the table.

I guess that some people can't count to 3 without jumping to 5 first and yet others insist that it's really the alphabet. HELLO? I put up links. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What does that have to do with CoD or even Steam in general?

Gifting items on Steam is no different than giving someone a keycode purchased at the store.

Buying/trading outside games is common in the MMO world. People buy and sell gold/gear all the time.

This trading you're talking about is no different than someone offering a keycode for World of Warcraft gold. You posted a link about people being scammed in TF2 items and vaguely said Steam can bring this to the table. It's not relevant to the thread at all. This has been going on long before Steam was even an idea.

Looks like an attempt to muddy the water for those on the fence about Steam.

Also, the OP posted things relevant to CoD. CoD will OBVIOUSLY not have hats/weapons/earbuds, etc. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

Extreme_One
03-16-2011, 12:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
I look in that 345 page thread and see people trading games for games and other things. It's NOT just TF2.

And again I guess the hard part is: Some things that Steam COULD bring to the table.

I guess that some people can't count to 3 without jumping to 5 first and yet others insist that it's really the alphabet. HELLO? I put up links. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK as you clearly don't understand I'll take the time to explain in a little more detail.

The link you posted to is in the Team Fortress 2 forum and is titled "The Game-Hat Trade Thread"

Team Fortress 2 is a game that now has an element of trading.
Players can buy (using real money) items such as hats (that their in-game character can wear) or differently styled weapons etc. You can also craft these items in game.

You can trade these items with other players. You can trade items as a swap or for rarer items players have been known to use real money or even send other players games they have bought on Steam (you can purchase a game on Steam and send it to another as a 'gift')
It is a mechanic built into the game.

This is not part of any other game and it's related in any way to the achievements I mentioned in my original post.

Achievements are merely badges that are applied to your Steam profile when you meet specific criteria in any game that supports achievements.

Here is a page (http://steamcommunity.com/id/Extreme_0ne/stats/L4D2/?tab=achievements) showing my acheivements for L4D2

You cannot trade an achievement.

M_Gunz as none of this is relevant to Steam integration and CloD you seem to have totally missed the points I was trying to make in my OP.

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough.

M_Gunz
03-16-2011, 12:49 PM
I searched on achievements and that's what I got. Are you saying that Steam COULD NOT bring that to CoD? Who knows?

Statler86
03-16-2011, 12:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by M_Gunz:
I searched on achievements and that's what I got. Are you saying that Steam COULD NOT bring that to CoD? Who knows? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It COULD NOT, unless Oleg codes the game to give us trade-able rewards like TF2 does. We all know this will never happen. This game does not lend itself to that kind of system, but it works great for TF2.

TF2 is super fun btw I'd suggest people check it out.

One thing I'd add Steam will help with, is squad vs squad matches. Squads can create their own Steam groups and easily see who all is online as well as who is online from other squads and set something up on the spot.

Rapid61
03-16-2011, 01:16 PM
What u find on steam is when they sell a game it sometimes comes with a freebie/sweetner normally for Team Fortress 2 especially if you pre order, then after it is released the freebie/sweetner more often than not is no longer available.
There will always be those who are for and those who are against steam. If ya dont like it dont use it, simple really.............each to his/her own.

M_Gunz
03-16-2011, 02:42 PM
And I was so looking forward to winning a real Spitfire II or 109E-4 with game points. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Ba5tard5word
03-16-2011, 03:58 PM
COD isn't going to have any of that TF2 trading stuff. I've never seen it in any of the other 60+ games I have on Steam. I'd be surprised if there were achievements, which in my opinion are the dumbest thing about modern gaming...who cares if you got a trophy for killing 100 enemies, back in my day we walked 5 miles through the Florida sunshine to play Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles the Arcade Game and we didn't get nuthin' for all the quarters it ate!

Feathered_IV
03-17-2011, 04:09 AM
Just before Christmas I was playing Rise of Flight online and brought down an Albatros DVa in a perfect bounce. A couple of days later when I went to play the game again, I noticed an attractive decal on the main screen. A black heart with wings motif. Quite nicely designed too. I found I could move it around the screen to wherever I wanted. When I double clicked on it, a message box came up telling me the Rise of Flight staff would like to say congratulations on my fifth confirmed kill. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

skarden
03-17-2011, 04:38 AM
As a long time defender of steam I didn't mind the idea of steam being used to distribute COD,Until now....I bought Homefront on DVD today for PC and noticed that it says on the box you need an internet connection through steam to activate the game,yep no problem I thought.
But what it actually means is that you only get HALF of the game on the disk and the other 5 bloody gig has to be downloaded through steam before you can even play the thing,and for someone like me who lives on an Army base and gets my internet through a prepaid ****le paying about $100 for 5 gig means that effectively if I want to actually play this game I will have to spend a total of $175 and that is $%&*#@ stupid beyond description,and make me feels things about steam that if I typed them here would earn me a holiday from the forums for a bit I Imagine.

So it's clear to me now that that this is the kind of shenanigans that steam brings to the table,so now I hope,and I mean really really hope,that steam has absolutely nothing to do with COD...........ever http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Feathered_IV
03-17-2011, 04:42 AM
Ouch. Thats a low thing to do. Did the Publisher put anything on the box about it?

skarden
03-17-2011, 05:06 AM
Na,there's nothing on there,I had a good check after I found out to make sure I hadn't missed it,certainly a bit of a bummer.

M_Gunz
03-17-2011, 05:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by skarden:
As a long time defender of steam I didn't mind the idea of steam being used to distribute COD,Until now....I bought Homefront on DVD today for PC and noticed that it says on the box you need an internet connection through steam to activate the game,yep no problem I thought.
But what it actually means is that you only get HALF of the game on the disk and the other 5 bloody gig has to be downloaded through steam before you can even play the thing,and for someone like me who lives on an Army base and gets my internet through a prepaid ****le paying about $100 for 5 gig means that effectively if I want to actually play this game I will have to spend a total of $175 and that is $%&*#@ stupid beyond description,and make me feels things about steam that if I typed them here would earn me a holiday from the forums for a bit I Imagine.

So it's clear to me now that that this is the kind of shenanigans that steam brings to the table,so now I hope,and I mean really really hope,that steam has absolutely nothing to do with COD...........ever http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We had different problems in my day but I feel for ya. You know anyone living off-base with a real connect?

Gibbage1
03-17-2011, 05:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by skarden:
So it's clear to me now that that this is the kind of shenanigans that steam brings to the table,so now I hope,and I mean really really hope,that steam has absolutely nothing to do with COD...........ever http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I gotta say that yes, I would ALSO be VERY angry at this. When you buy a DVD, you dont expect to buy half a product, and have to retrieve the other half later on!!! Un-excuseable, but im not sure your rage is focused at the correct target. This is the 1st time I have seen this used, and it very well could be a deal from the developer (THQ) and not STEAM. Are there any other games that do this? Before swearing off a life long friend (Steam), make sure they are in fact the culprit and not the Dev.

Gib

skarden
03-17-2011, 05:37 PM
Yeah I think you might be right Gib,after I finished raging last night and calmed down a little I felt a little better about the whole thing,Im still pretty annoyed about the it all but after looking into it a bit more it does appear to be the dev's decision rather then the publisher's(steam).I'm still amazed at the sheer stupidity of such a system but there's worse things to have to deal with.cheers for the wise words http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

@M_Gunz yeah I know a few guys who live off but I'll have to move my tower there to get the rest of the game,I asked a few of the bomber's around here and it looks like I can get the net in my room but it takes a fair bit of D^%ckin about and paper work but at least that's cheap so I might as well get started on it as I'll be on base for another year.
p.s don't wory we still a wide range of typical army stupidity to deal with these days,it is the army after all http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif It's still the best job going I reckon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

M_Gunz
03-17-2011, 05:51 PM
I expect some things have changed since 1978.

Gibbage1
03-18-2011, 12:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by skarden:
I'm still amazed at the sheer stupidity of such a system but there's worse things to have to deal with. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same. When you buy the DVD now a days, you do it because you DONT want to download the game! Not everyone has a high speed internet connection, and like you, a lot of places have metered service or bandwidth limits. To do what they did was totally unforgiveable!

I think where they got it though was MMO's like WoW. I dont know if you play them, but I do. After the 1st week or so, the DVD you buy is damn near useless! Things get updated and changed so often you wind up downloading GIGS of data! I recently quit WoW and nuked my WoW folder. Just before that, I did a check, and in total it was 25 gigs! That game started out as a 500K download! 25 gigabytes! Thast after all the expantions and junk. The thing is, you expect that from an online game. Not a run-of-the-mill shooter, and not for IL2.

One thing to consider is this. IL2 CoD is a beginning. All it is, is a starting point, and the journey will be filled with lots of add-on's, campains, and new aircraft. You need to ask yourself how will Oleg distribute this? To do it box form, you need to condense all the updates into 1 big add-on, like 1946 or Pacific Fighters since launching a box product takes a LOT of money.

On the otherhand, doing more, smaller releases, seems more ecinomical and more wise to me. Since Steam will be involved with the product no matter what, it only makes sense to push these updates over Steam, much like what railworks does. Valve was also trying to do episodic content, but that didnt work out so well since they kept putting in way too much stuff. I think this is the future of video game distribution. Buy one feature product, and then buy the DLC's or add-on's you want, and I think Oleg's going to Steam is his step twards this goal. Time will only tell, but I think lots of little add-on's will keep the game fresh better then a few big add-on's ever few years.

Ba5tard5word
03-18-2011, 11:47 PM
Something else Steam might do is let you set up clans--you definitely can set up groups with it that are separate from your friends list, which Steam also does. I've never been a part of a Steam clan so I don't really know how it works, but it could make setting up co-ops easier, but we'll have to see. I do wonder how servers will work...hopefully individuals can still set up multiplayer dogfight servers that can be accessed easily. Seemed like there used to be a way to view all servers for a game but I can't figure out how anymore...hopefully within COD there is a way to do it that works well with your clan/friends on Steam...